How can a 56K modem connect at 57.6K

Discussion in 'Firefox' started by Jimw, Feb 28, 2009.

  1. Jimw

    Jimw Guest

    A little off topic......

    I just installed a USR V-Everything external modem to replace the
    Sportster that quit working. I used to get a maximum of 45.xK with
    the Sportster. I know the V-everything is a better modem, but I'm
    getting more than it's rated for. Yes I did remove the drivers from
    the old modem.

    Thanks
     
    Jimw, Feb 28, 2009
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  2. Jimw

    fatsteve Guest

    Jimw wrote:
    > A little off topic......
    >
    > I just installed a USR V-Everything external modem to replace the
    > Sportster that quit working. I used to get a maximum of 45.xK with
    > the Sportster. I know the V-everything is a better modem, but I'm
    > getting more than it's rated for. Yes I did remove the drivers from
    > the old modem.
    >
    > Thanks


    That's the speed the modem is communicating to the computer with,
    57600. When I was on dialup sometimes it would say connected at 115200
    but that was just the port speed. Use your topic to search google to
    get further explanation. This page
    http://www.modemsite.com/56k/x2-inf1.asp was the second result which
    should explain it to you.

    "If your dial-up networking (DUNS) CONNECT shows a speed of 57,600
    (57.6k), 115,200 (115.2k), or 38,400 (38.4k), you are getting the port
    speed between your computer and modem, not the modem CONNECT rate."
     
    fatsteve, Feb 28, 2009
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  3. Jimw

    John Doe Guest

    For what it's worth, the maximum allowed (USA) is probably still about
    53K, so the real speed will be no more than that.
     
    John Doe, Feb 28, 2009
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  4. Jimw

    Jimw Guest

    On Sat, 28 Feb 2009 12:26:01 +0900, fatsteve <> wrote:

    >Jimw wrote:
    >> A little off topic......
    >>
    >> I just installed a USR V-Everything external modem to replace the
    >> Sportster that quit working. I used to get a maximum of 45.xK with
    >> the Sportster. I know the V-everything is a better modem, but I'm
    >> getting more than it's rated for. Yes I did remove the drivers from
    >> the old modem.
    >>
    >> Thanks

    >
    >That's the speed the modem is communicating to the computer with,
    >57600. When I was on dialup sometimes it would say connected at 115200
    >but that was just the port speed. Use your topic to search google to
    >get further explanation. This page
    >http://www.modemsite.com/56k/x2-inf1.asp was the second result which
    >should explain it to you.
    >
    >"If your dial-up networking (DUNS) CONNECT shows a speed of 57,600
    >(57.6k), 115,200 (115.2k), or 38,400 (38.4k), you are getting the port
    >speed between your computer and modem, not the modem CONNECT rate."


    OK, thanks for the help.
    Is there any way to get it to show the actual connect speed?
    Yea, I went to the modemsite.com link. I read it about 20 times, and
    it's kind of like reading greek. I'm no computer geek, in fact stuff
    like this tends to really drive an old guy like me to pop open a can
    of my favorite beverage and shut off the computer.

    If it's a hassle, I just live with it.
    It's annoying that everytime I connect to my ISP I have to reconnect 2
    to 6 times before the connection works. I make a connection, but when
    I click on a website, or try to get my email or the newsgroup
    messages, nothing happens. The "connected to" icon always shows no
    more than 1000 bytes sent and received, and never does anything more.
    So while I'm connected, that connection dont do anything. I've just
    learned to live with it, but that is very irritating. No, my ISP wont
    help. They refuse to offer support for people using Windows98, which
    is what I use (98se). I'd change my ISP in a heartbeat, but in this
    rural area this is the only one.

    Anyhow, if this greek means anything to anyone, here is the
    information that modemsite.com instructed me to get from modem.log,
    which is odd, because using START > FIND, I can not find a file by
    that name on my computer....... (below)

    I swear, modems are the most complicated things to get to work
    properly. But I guess it could be worse. I still recall spending
    weeks trying to get a modem to work properly using Windows 3.11, years
    ago. At least Win98 seems to choose the right modem even if the
    settings are wrong.

    02-28-2009 13:32:55.96 - Courier V.Everything External Plug & Play in
    use.
    02-28-2009 13:32:55.98 - Modem type: Courier V.Everything External
    Plug & Play
    02-28-2009 13:32:55.98 - Modem inf path: MDMUSRCR.INF
    02-28-2009 13:32:55.98 - Modem inf section: Modem36
    02-28-2009 13:32:56.20 - 115200,N,8,1
    02-28-2009 13:32:56.42 - 57600,N,8,1
    02-28-2009 13:32:56.42 - Initializing modem.
    02-28-2009 13:32:56.42 - Send: ATE0Q0V1<cr>
    02-28-2009 13:32:56.58 - Recv: <cr><lf>OK<cr><lf>
    02-28-2009 13:32:56.58 - Interpreted response: Ok
    02-28-2009 13:32:56.58 - Send: AT&F1&B1&C1&D2E0Q0V1&A3S0=0<cr>
    02-28-2009 13:32:56.75 - Recv: <cr><lf>OK<cr><lf>
    02-28-2009 13:32:56.75 - Interpreted response: Ok
    02-28-2009 13:32:56.75 - Send: AT&A0<cr>
    02-28-2009 13:32:56.91 - Recv: <cr><lf>OK<cr><lf>
    02-28-2009 13:32:56.91 - Interpreted response: Ok
    02-28-2009 13:32:56.91 - Send: ATS7=60S19=0M1&M4&K1&H1&R2&I0B0X4<cr>
    02-28-2009 13:32:57.08 - Recv: <cr><lf>OK<cr><lf>
    02-28-2009 13:32:57.08 - Interpreted response: Ok
    02-28-2009 13:32:57.08 - Dialing.
    02-28-2009 13:32:57.08 - Send: ATDT;<cr>
    02-28-2009 13:32:58.62 - Recv: <cr><lf>OK<cr><lf>
    02-28-2009 13:32:58.62 - Interpreted response: Ok
    02-28-2009 13:32:58.62 - Dialing.
    02-28-2009 13:32:58.62 - Send: ATDT#######<cr>
    02-28-2009 13:33:21.93 - Recv: <cr>
    02-28-2009 13:33:21.93 - Interpreted response: Informative
    02-28-2009 13:33:21.93 - Recv: <lf>
    02-28-2009 13:33:21.93 - Interpreted response: Informative
    02-28-2009 13:33:22.93 - Recv: CONNECT 44000<cr><lf>
    02-28-2009 13:33:22.93 - WARNING: Unrecognized response. Retrying...
    02-28-2009 13:33:22.93 - Connection established at 57600bps.
    02-28-2009 13:33:22.93 - Error-control off or unknown.
    02-28-2009 13:33:22.93 - Data compression off or unknown.
     
    Jimw, Feb 28, 2009
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  5. Jimw

    John Doe Guest

    Jimw <> wrote:

    > Is there any way to get it to show the actual connect speed?
    > Yea, I went to the modemsite.com link. I read it about 20 times,
    > and it's kind of like reading greek. I'm no computer geek, in
    > fact stuff like this tends to really drive an old guy like me to
    > pop open a can of my favorite beverage and shut off the computer.


    Apparently many people have that exact same attitude when a techie
    would like to help them. Just depends on life circumstances I guess.

    > If it's a hassle, I just live with it.


    It might be a hassle. I recall never really pinpointing the reason
    that sometimes a particular modem configuration would display the
    imaginary connect speed and other times it would display the real
    connect speed. I think maybe it has something to do with the
    hardware as well as the driver and settings.

    If you change your mind about wanting to hassle with it, I think the
    expert groups on USENET for this subject include the text "dcom" in
    their group name. It might stand for "data communications".

    > It's annoying that everytime I connect to my ISP I have to
    > reconnect 2 to 6 times before the connection works.


    > No, my ISP wont help. They refuse to offer support for people
    > using Windows98, which is what I use (98se). I'd change my ISP in
    > a heartbeat, but in this rural area this is the only one.


    That is because, as I am sure you have heard this cruel fact before,
    Windows 98xx just plain sucks. My 86-year-old neighbors (who even do
    online banking) let me do their computer. I pushed them to move from
    98se to Windows XP, and they have enjoyed the upgrade. Messing with
    a Windows 98 computer is a pain in the rear. Windows 98 is an
    unstable foundation. Imagine trying to fix a house and worrying
    about the ceiling falling on your head.

    > Courier V.Everything External


    At least you have a great dial-up modem, however old/slow. If
    broadband will not be available in the near future, be sure to buy a
    good name-brand modem surge protector to protect it.


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    John Doe, Feb 28, 2009
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  6. Jimw

    fatsteve Guest

    Jimw wrote:
    > On Sat, 28 Feb 2009 12:26:01 +0900, fatsteve <> wrote:
    >
    >> Jimw wrote:
    >>> A little off topic......
    >>>
    >>> I just installed a USR V-Everything external modem to replace the
    >>> Sportster that quit working. I used to get a maximum of 45.xK with
    >>> the Sportster. I know the V-everything is a better modem, but I'm
    >>> getting more than it's rated for. Yes I did remove the drivers from
    >>> the old modem.
    >>>
    >>> Thanks

    >> That's the speed the modem is communicating to the computer with,
    >> 57600. When I was on dialup sometimes it would say connected at 115200
    >> but that was just the port speed. Use your topic to search google to
    >> get further explanation. This page
    >> http://www.modemsite.com/56k/x2-inf1.asp was the second result which
    >> should explain it to you.
    >>
    >> "If your dial-up networking (DUNS) CONNECT shows a speed of 57,600
    >> (57.6k), 115,200 (115.2k), or 38,400 (38.4k), you are getting the port
    >> speed between your computer and modem, not the modem CONNECT rate."

    >
    > OK, thanks for the help.
    > Is there any way to get it to show the actual connect speed?
    > Yea, I went to the modemsite.com link. I read it about 20 times, and
    > it's kind of like reading greek. I'm no computer geek, in fact stuff
    > like this tends to really drive an old guy like me to pop open a can
    > of my favorite beverage and shut off the computer.
    >
    > If it's a hassle, I just live with it.
    > It's annoying that everytime I connect to my ISP I have to reconnect 2
    > to 6 times before the connection works. I make a connection, but when
    > I click on a website, or try to get my email or the newsgroup
    > messages, nothing happens. The "connected to" icon always shows no
    > more than 1000 bytes sent and received, and never does anything more.
    > So while I'm connected, that connection dont do anything. I've just
    > learned to live with it, but that is very irritating. No, my ISP wont
    > help. They refuse to offer support for people using Windows98, which
    > is what I use (98se). I'd change my ISP in a heartbeat, but in this
    > rural area this is the only one.
    >
    > Anyhow, if this greek means anything to anyone, here is the
    > information that modemsite.com instructed me to get from modem.log,
    > which is odd, because using START > FIND, I can not find a file by
    > that name on my computer....... (below)
    >
    > I swear, modems are the most complicated things to get to work
    > properly. But I guess it could be worse. I still recall spending
    > weeks trying to get a modem to work properly using Windows 3.11, years
    > ago. At least Win98 seems to choose the right modem even if the
    > settings are wrong.
    >
    > 02-28-2009 13:32:55.96 - Courier V.Everything External Plug & Play in
    > use.
    > 02-28-2009 13:32:55.98 - Modem type: Courier V.Everything External
    > Plug & Play
    > 02-28-2009 13:32:55.98 - Modem inf path: MDMUSRCR.INF
    > 02-28-2009 13:32:55.98 - Modem inf section: Modem36
    > 02-28-2009 13:32:56.20 - 115200,N,8,1
    > 02-28-2009 13:32:56.42 - 57600,N,8,1
    > 02-28-2009 13:32:56.42 - Initializing modem.
    > 02-28-2009 13:32:56.42 - Send: ATE0Q0V1<cr>
    > 02-28-2009 13:32:56.58 - Recv: <cr><lf>OK<cr><lf>
    > 02-28-2009 13:32:56.58 - Interpreted response: Ok
    > 02-28-2009 13:32:56.58 - Send: AT&F1&B1&C1&D2E0Q0V1&A3S0=0<cr>
    > 02-28-2009 13:32:56.75 - Recv: <cr><lf>OK<cr><lf>
    > 02-28-2009 13:32:56.75 - Interpreted response: Ok
    > 02-28-2009 13:32:56.75 - Send: AT&A0<cr>
    > 02-28-2009 13:32:56.91 - Recv: <cr><lf>OK<cr><lf>
    > 02-28-2009 13:32:56.91 - Interpreted response: Ok
    > 02-28-2009 13:32:56.91 - Send: ATS7=60S19=0M1&M4&K1&H1&R2&I0B0X4<cr>
    > 02-28-2009 13:32:57.08 - Recv: <cr><lf>OK<cr><lf>
    > 02-28-2009 13:32:57.08 - Interpreted response: Ok
    > 02-28-2009 13:32:57.08 - Dialing.
    > 02-28-2009 13:32:57.08 - Send: ATDT;<cr>
    > 02-28-2009 13:32:58.62 - Recv: <cr><lf>OK<cr><lf>
    > 02-28-2009 13:32:58.62 - Interpreted response: Ok
    > 02-28-2009 13:32:58.62 - Dialing.
    > 02-28-2009 13:32:58.62 - Send: ATDT#######<cr>
    > 02-28-2009 13:33:21.93 - Recv: <cr>
    > 02-28-2009 13:33:21.93 - Interpreted response: Informative
    > 02-28-2009 13:33:21.93 - Recv: <lf>
    > 02-28-2009 13:33:21.93 - Interpreted response: Informative
    > 02-28-2009 13:33:22.93 - Recv: CONNECT 44000<cr><lf>
    > 02-28-2009 13:33:22.93 - WARNING: Unrecognized response. Retrying...
    > 02-28-2009 13:33:22.93 - Connection established at 57600bps.
    > 02-28-2009 13:33:22.93 - Error-control off or unknown.
    > 02-28-2009 13:33:22.93 - Data compression off or unknown.
    >


    That's half the mystery solved, at least now you know you are
    connecting at 44k. Which is just as good as the 45.2k that your old
    modem would get. As for how to fix it I can't say except to try with a
    different driver if you want to keep trying to correct it. Otherwise
    just open a can and assume you are connecting at 44k :)
     
    fatsteve, Mar 1, 2009
    #6
  7. Jimw

    Jimw Guest

    On Sun, 01 Mar 2009 10:10:59 +0900, fatsteve <> wrote:

    >Jimw wrote:
    >> On Sat, 28 Feb 2009 12:26:01 +0900, fatsteve <> wrote:
    >>
    >>> Jimw wrote:
    >>>> A little off topic......
    >>>>
    >>>> I just installed a USR V-Everything external modem to replace the
    >>>> Sportster that quit working. I used to get a maximum of 45.xK with
    >>>> the Sportster. I know the V-everything is a better modem, but I'm
    >>>> getting more than it's rated for. Yes I did remove the drivers from
    >>>> the old modem.
    >>>>
    >>>> Thanks
    >>> That's the speed the modem is communicating to the computer with,
    >>> 57600. When I was on dialup sometimes it would say connected at 115200
    >>> but that was just the port speed. Use your topic to search google to
    >>> get further explanation. This page
    >>> http://www.modemsite.com/56k/x2-inf1.asp was the second result which
    >>> should explain it to you.
    >>>
    >>> "If your dial-up networking (DUNS) CONNECT shows a speed of 57,600
    >>> (57.6k), 115,200 (115.2k), or 38,400 (38.4k), you are getting the port
    >>> speed between your computer and modem, not the modem CONNECT rate."

    >>
    >> OK, thanks for the help.
    >> Is there any way to get it to show the actual connect speed?
    >> Yea, I went to the modemsite.com link. I read it about 20 times, and
    >> it's kind of like reading greek. I'm no computer geek, in fact stuff
    >> like this tends to really drive an old guy like me to pop open a can
    >> of my favorite beverage and shut off the computer.
    >>
    >> If it's a hassle, I just live with it.
    >> It's annoying that everytime I connect to my ISP I have to reconnect 2
    >> to 6 times before the connection works. I make a connection, but when
    >> I click on a website, or try to get my email or the newsgroup
    >> messages, nothing happens. The "connected to" icon always shows no
    >> more than 1000 bytes sent and received, and never does anything more.
    >> So while I'm connected, that connection dont do anything. I've just
    >> learned to live with it, but that is very irritating. No, my ISP wont
    >> help. They refuse to offer support for people using Windows98, which
    >> is what I use (98se). I'd change my ISP in a heartbeat, but in this
    >> rural area this is the only one.
    >>
    >> Anyhow, if this greek means anything to anyone, here is the
    >> information that modemsite.com instructed me to get from modem.log,
    >> which is odd, because using START > FIND, I can not find a file by
    >> that name on my computer....... (below)
    >>
    >> I swear, modems are the most complicated things to get to work
    >> properly. But I guess it could be worse. I still recall spending
    >> weeks trying to get a modem to work properly using Windows 3.11, years
    >> ago. At least Win98 seems to choose the right modem even if the
    >> settings are wrong.
    >>
    >> 02-28-2009 13:32:55.96 - Courier V.Everything External Plug & Play in
    >> use.
    >> 02-28-2009 13:32:55.98 - Modem type: Courier V.Everything External
    >> Plug & Play
    >> 02-28-2009 13:32:55.98 - Modem inf path: MDMUSRCR.INF
    >> 02-28-2009 13:32:55.98 - Modem inf section: Modem36
    >> 02-28-2009 13:32:56.20 - 115200,N,8,1
    >> 02-28-2009 13:32:56.42 - 57600,N,8,1
    >> 02-28-2009 13:32:56.42 - Initializing modem.
    >> 02-28-2009 13:32:56.42 - Send: ATE0Q0V1<cr>
    >> 02-28-2009 13:32:56.58 - Recv: <cr><lf>OK<cr><lf>
    >> 02-28-2009 13:32:56.58 - Interpreted response: Ok
    >> 02-28-2009 13:32:56.58 - Send: AT&F1&B1&C1&D2E0Q0V1&A3S0=0<cr>
    >> 02-28-2009 13:32:56.75 - Recv: <cr><lf>OK<cr><lf>
    >> 02-28-2009 13:32:56.75 - Interpreted response: Ok
    >> 02-28-2009 13:32:56.75 - Send: AT&A0<cr>
    >> 02-28-2009 13:32:56.91 - Recv: <cr><lf>OK<cr><lf>
    >> 02-28-2009 13:32:56.91 - Interpreted response: Ok
    >> 02-28-2009 13:32:56.91 - Send: ATS7=60S19=0M1&M4&K1&H1&R2&I0B0X4<cr>
    >> 02-28-2009 13:32:57.08 - Recv: <cr><lf>OK<cr><lf>
    >> 02-28-2009 13:32:57.08 - Interpreted response: Ok
    >> 02-28-2009 13:32:57.08 - Dialing.
    >> 02-28-2009 13:32:57.08 - Send: ATDT;<cr>
    >> 02-28-2009 13:32:58.62 - Recv: <cr><lf>OK<cr><lf>
    >> 02-28-2009 13:32:58.62 - Interpreted response: Ok
    >> 02-28-2009 13:32:58.62 - Dialing.
    >> 02-28-2009 13:32:58.62 - Send: ATDT#######<cr>
    >> 02-28-2009 13:33:21.93 - Recv: <cr>
    >> 02-28-2009 13:33:21.93 - Interpreted response: Informative
    >> 02-28-2009 13:33:21.93 - Recv: <lf>
    >> 02-28-2009 13:33:21.93 - Interpreted response: Informative
    >> 02-28-2009 13:33:22.93 - Recv: CONNECT 44000<cr><lf>
    >> 02-28-2009 13:33:22.93 - WARNING: Unrecognized response. Retrying...
    >> 02-28-2009 13:33:22.93 - Connection established at 57600bps.
    >> 02-28-2009 13:33:22.93 - Error-control off or unknown.
    >> 02-28-2009 13:33:22.93 - Data compression off or unknown.
    >>

    >
    >That's half the mystery solved, at least now you know you are
    >connecting at 44k. Which is just as good as the 45.2k that your old
    >modem would get. As for how to fix it I can't say except to try with a
    >different driver if you want to keep trying to correct it. Otherwise
    >just open a can and assume you are connecting at 44k :)


    This is old news by now, but I located a new driver and now it shows
    the connect speed. I dont recall if that first driver came with
    Windows or what, but this new one solved the problem.

    Thanks

    Jimw

    --------
    April Fools Day is the only holiday where you can have fun without
    spending any money !!!!
     
    Jimw, Mar 28, 2009
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