heh mandrake updates

Discussion in 'NZ Computing' started by RT, Oct 25, 2004.

  1. RT

    RT Guest

    Re: mandrake updates

    "Dave - Dave.net.nz" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > Dumbkiwi wrote:
    >> But very nice that you can get all the upgrades for OS + userland apps
    >> from one central repository, and it sorts all dependencies for you - and

    >
    > indeed, very handy.
    > All windows updates and Office updates are almost centralised... wait for
    > msupdate in a wee while.
    >
    >> if you're a cheaparse, it's all free as well.

    >
    > free... yeah, well if you factor in my normal charge out rate of $80 an
    > hour, the 5 hrs for wireless(still not going) when on a windows box take
    > me ~15 mins, takes the cost up considerably. :/
    >


    Thats for when you know what you are doing, not when you are learning. ;-)
     
    RT, Oct 25, 2004
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  2. 553MB of updates if I *only* do the security updates.
    771MB if I do the lot.

    and they say that ~300 for XP SP2 and the followups is bad.

    ok, to qualify, I do have office suites and a few other things installed
    on a Man machine, but ummm, thats still a shit load of updates.

    --
    Dave Hall
    http://www.dave.net.nz
    http://www.karyn.net.nz
     
    Dave - Dave.net.nz, Oct 25, 2004
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  3. "Dave - Dave.net.nz" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > 553MB of updates if I *only* do the security updates.
    > 771MB if I do the lot.
    >
    > and they say that ~300 for XP SP2 and the followups is bad.
    >
    > ok, to qualify, I do have office suites and a few other things installed
    > on a Man machine, but ummm, thats still a shit load of updates.


    And of course Mandrake comes on 3 CDs and windows XP comes on about 2/3 of a
    CD... so on a per unit of data basis there are far fewer Mandrake updates
    :).

    Andrew
     
    Andrew Bryson, Oct 25, 2004
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  4. Andrew Bryson wrote:
    >>553MB of updates if I *only* do the security updates.
    >>771MB if I do the lot.
    >>and they say that ~300 for XP SP2 and the followups is bad.


    >>ok, to qualify, I do have office suites and a few other things installed
    >>on a Man machine, but ummm, thats still a shit load of updates.


    > And of course Mandrake comes on 3 CDs and windows XP comes on about 2/3 of a
    > CD... so on a per unit of data basis there are far fewer Mandrake updates
    > :).


    haha, yeah I guess.
    but it also depends on what is installed and if they used compression to
    fit it onto those CD's.

    My Windows install(default install) is ~1200MB, plus office, takes it to
    ~2.2GB
    My Mandrake install(default desktop plus 200k of downloads) is ~2.5GB

    --
    Dave Hall
    http://www.dave.net.nz
    http://www.karyn.net.nz
     
    Dave - Dave.net.nz, Oct 25, 2004
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    "Dave - Dave.net.nz" <> wrote:

    >553MB of updates if I *only* do the security updates.
    >771MB if I do the lot.


    I'm on a mailing list for SuSE security updates since January, and I
    don't think I've pulled down that much in total in response to those
    notifications in that time, even counting the fact that I have to pull
    down 3 versions of most updates (for SuSE 8.1, 9.0 and 9.1). I don't
    recall any SuSE-specific vulnerabilities--they would all have been
    generic kernel ones, XFree86, libpng, that kind of thing. So they should
    be the same for Mandrake.

    Are you including source in that?
     
    Lawrence D¹Oliveiro, Oct 26, 2004
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  6. Lawrence D¹Oliveiro wrote:
    >>553MB of updates if I *only* do the security updates.
    >>771MB if I do the lot.


    > Are you including source in that?


    dunno, I got sick of reading and just told it to do it.
    it has, and it's all updated too...

    now Im working on my gentoo box.
    just starting the compile now

    --
    Dave Hall
    http://www.dave.net.nz
    http://www.karyn.net.nz
     
    Dave - Dave.net.nz, Oct 26, 2004
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  7. RT

    Peter Guest

    Re: mandrake updates

    Dave - Dave.net.nz wrote:
    > 553MB of updates if I *only* do the security updates.
    > 771MB if I do the lot.


    I have MDK10.0, and only have 170MB of updates. My system is fairly full
    workstation install, but not much server stuff.

    > and they say that ~300 for XP SP2 and the followups is bad.


    MDK comes with lots of applications, it is a complete install. WinXP is
    only the basic parts of the OS, AFAIK it doesn't include html editor, word
    processor, spreadsheet, compilers, etc. Most of the MDK updates are for
    the apps.


    Peter
     
    Peter, Oct 26, 2004
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  8. Re: mandrake updates

    Peter wrote:
    >>553MB of updates if I *only* do the security updates.
    >>771MB if I do the lot.


    > I have MDK10.0, and only have 170MB of updates. My system is fairly full
    > workstation install, but not much server stuff.


    >>and they say that ~300 for XP SP2 and the followups is bad.


    > MDK comes with lots of applications, it is a complete install. WinXP is
    > only the basic parts of the OS, AFAIK it doesn't include html editor, word
    > processor, spreadsheet, compilers, etc. Most of the MDK updates are for
    > the apps.


    yeah, look further down the thread... been into this, and got over it.

    it's a new OS, and it'll need patching, same as pretty much any other OS.

    --
    Dave Hall
    http://www.dave.net.nz
    http://www.karyn.net.nz
     
    Dave - Dave.net.nz, Oct 26, 2004
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  9. RT

    Dumbkiwi Guest

    Re: mandrake updates

    On Tue, 26 Oct 2004 19:25:06 +1300, Dave - Dave.net.nz wrote:

    > Peter wrote:
    >>>553MB of updates if I *only* do the security updates.
    >>>771MB if I do the lot.

    >
    >> I have MDK10.0, and only have 170MB of updates. My system is fairly full
    >> workstation install, but not much server stuff.

    >
    >>>and they say that ~300 for XP SP2 and the followups is bad.

    >
    >> MDK comes with lots of applications, it is a complete install. WinXP is
    >> only the basic parts of the OS, AFAIK it doesn't include html editor, word
    >> processor, spreadsheet, compilers, etc. Most of the MDK updates are for
    >> the apps.

    >
    > yeah, look further down the thread... been into this, and got over it.
    >
    > it's a new OS, and it'll need patching, same as pretty much any other OS.



    But very nice that you can get all the upgrades for OS + userland apps
    from one central repository, and it sorts all dependencies for you - and
    if you're a cheaparse, it's all free as well.

    Matt
     
    Dumbkiwi, Oct 26, 2004
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  10. Re: mandrake updates

    Dumbkiwi wrote:
    > But very nice that you can get all the upgrades for OS + userland apps
    > from one central repository, and it sorts all dependencies for you - and


    indeed, very handy.
    All windows updates and Office updates are almost centralised... wait
    for msupdate in a wee while.

    > if you're a cheaparse, it's all free as well.


    free... yeah, well if you factor in my normal charge out rate of $80 an
    hour, the 5 hrs for wireless(still not going) when on a windows box take
    me ~15 mins, takes the cost up considerably. :/

    --
    Dave Hall
    http://www.dave.net.nz
    http://www.karyn.net.nz
     
    Dave - Dave.net.nz, Oct 26, 2004
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  11. RT

    Peter Guest

    Re: mandrake updates

    Dave - Dave.net.nz wrote:
    > Peter wrote:
    >>>553MB of updates if I *only* do the security updates.
    >>>771MB if I do the lot.

    >> I have MDK10.0, and only have 170MB of updates. My system is fairly full
    >> workstation install, but not much server stuff.

    > it's a new OS, and it'll need patching, same as pretty much any other OS.


    I store all the updates so I can use them on other PCs here - saves
    downloading them again. So that is 170 MB of updates since the fresh new
    install of MDK 10.0.
    It doesn't count double ups. So if some package is updated twice, I only
    keep the latest one. This doesn't happen much, though.


    Peter
     
    Peter, Oct 26, 2004
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  12. RT

    Malcolm Guest

    Re: mandrake updates

    Peter wrote:

    > Dave - Dave.net.nz wrote:
    >
    >>Peter wrote:
    >>
    >>>>553MB of updates if I *only* do the security updates.
    >>>>771MB if I do the lot.
    >>>
    >>>I have MDK10.0, and only have 170MB of updates. My system is fairly full
    >>>workstation install, but not much server stuff.

    >>
    >>it's a new OS, and it'll need patching, same as pretty much any other OS.

    >
    >
    > I store all the updates so I can use them on other PCs here - saves
    > downloading them again. So that is 170 MB of updates since the fresh new
    > install of MDK 10.0.
    > It doesn't count double ups. So if some package is updated twice, I only
    > keep the latest one. This doesn't happen much, though.
    >
    >
    > Peter
    >

    I just login to linux.jetstreamgames.co.nz via DSL for SUSE and FC
    updates... Mandrake is there as well, so 170MB would take about 5
    minutes and it's free :)

    --
    Cheers
    Malcolm °¿°
     
    Malcolm, Oct 26, 2004
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  13. RT

    Peter Guest

    Re: mandrake updates

    Malcolm wrote:
    > I just login to linux.jetstreamgames.co.nz via DSL for SUSE and FC
    > updates... Mandrake is there as well, so 170MB would take about 5
    > minutes and it's free :)


    hmmm - there are MDK updates directories at that domain, but they are empty.
    http://linux.jetstreamgames.co.nz/mandrake/updates/10.0/RPMS/


    Peter
     
    Peter, Oct 26, 2004
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