Hasselblad (and Canon 1Ds MIII) killer?

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  1. Focus

    Focus Guest

    Phase One has developed a new camera system that they call: open platform.
    It seems Hasselblad has dumped the H2 series.

    The price range (Europe) is from 9.000 to 27.000 euro ex. VAT. for a
    complete camera with digital back and 80mm lens.

    http://www.phaseone.com/camera/

    Just wondering if anyone would still be dumb enough to buy a Canon 1Ds MIII
    for 8.000,- if you can get something so much better?


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    Focus, Mar 20, 2008
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    RichA Guest

    Re: Hasselblad (and Canon 1Ds MIII) killer?

    On Mar 20, 9:46 am, "Focus" <> wrote:
    > Phase One has developed a new camera system that they call: open platform.
    > It seems Hasselblad has dumped the H2 series.
    >
    > The price range (Europe) is from 9.000 to 27.000 euro ex. VAT. for a
    > complete camera with digital back and 80mm lens.
    >
    > http://www.phaseone.com/camera/
    >
    > Just wondering if anyone would still be dumb enough to buy a Canon 1Ds MIII
    > for 8.000,- if you can get something so much better?
    >
    > --
    > Focus


    I don't know if it was a good branding move for Hasselblad, but Phase
    One do dominate that realm. Also notice "noise free" 1 hour
    exposures. Try THAT with any consumer DSLR. That's the difference
    between selected CCD sensors and mass produced CMOS.
    RichA, Mar 20, 2008
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    Paul Furman Guest

    Focus wrote:
    > Phase One has developed a new camera system that they call: open platform.
    > It seems Hasselblad has dumped the H2 series.
    >
    > The price range (Europe) is from 9.000 to 27.000 euro ex. VAT. for a
    > complete camera with digital back and 80mm lens.
    >
    > http://www.phaseone.com/camera/
    >
    > Just wondering if anyone would still be dumb enough to buy a Canon 1Ds MIII
    > for 8.000,- if you can get something so much better?


    The low end back is 16MP square format though.
    Paul Furman, Mar 20, 2008
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  4. Focus

    Jufi Guest

    "Focus" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > Phase One has developed a new camera system that they call: open platform.
    > It seems Hasselblad has dumped the H2 series.
    >
    > The price range (Europe) is from 9.000 to 27.000 euro ex. VAT. for a
    > complete camera with digital back and 80mm lens.
    >
    > http://www.phaseone.com/camera/
    >
    > Just wondering if anyone would still be dumb enough to buy a Canon 1Ds
    > MIII for 8.000,- if you can get something so much better?


    The H2F is alive and well. Hasselblad changed directions when it merged with
    Imacon and now sells proprietary digital backs designed to work only with
    it's H series cameras. No surprise there. And whether or not the image
    quality of this camera will exceed that of the 1DsIII remains to be seen.
    How much for the camera, lens, and digital back? Have you seen any samples
    from this camera?
    Jufi, Mar 20, 2008
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  5. On 2008-03-20 07:32:39 -0700, Paul Furman <> said:

    > Focus wrote:
    >> Phase One has developed a new camera system that they call: open platform.
    >> It seems Hasselblad has dumped the H2 series.
    >>
    >> The price range (Europe) is from 9.000 to 27.000 euro ex. VAT. for a
    >> complete camera with digital back and 80mm lens.
    >>
    >> http://www.phaseone.com/camera/
    >>
    >> Just wondering if anyone would still be dumb enough to buy a Canon 1Ds
    >> MIII for 8.000,- if you can get something so much better?

    >
    > The low end back is 16MP square format though.


    So, if one of these were under your Christmas tree, you wouldn't bother
    to tear off the gift wrapping?
    --
    "Our ignorance is not so vast as our failure to use what we know."
    Tully Albrecht, Mar 20, 2008
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  6. ["Followup-To:" header set to rec.photo.digital.slr-systems.]
    Focus <> wrote:

    > Just wondering if anyone would still be dumb enough to buy a Canon 1Ds MIII
    > for 8.000,- if you can get something so much better?



    Sure, I rather spend 8k on a proven and proven good top model
    and keep my lenses than dunk 27k for an unproven, unavailable
    top model and have to replace my lenses, too.

    If I wanted huge and hard to carry, I'd be using a large format
    camera.

    -Wolfgang
    Wolfgang Weisselberg, Mar 20, 2008
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    Tony Polson Guest

    Paul Furman <> wrote:

    >Focus wrote:
    >> Phase One has developed a new camera system that they call: open platform.
    >> It seems Hasselblad has dumped the H2 series.
    >>
    >> The price range (Europe) is from 9.000 to 27.000 euro ex. VAT. for a
    >> complete camera with digital back and 80mm lens.
    >>
    >> http://www.phaseone.com/camera/
    >>
    >> Just wondering if anyone would still be dumb enough to buy a Canon 1Ds MIII
    >> for 8.000,- if you can get something so much better?

    >
    >The low end back is 16MP square format though.




    Surely it is developed from a Mamiya 645 with a PhaseOne digital back?

    So not really as new as they would like you to think.
    Tony Polson, Mar 20, 2008
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    Sbc News Guest

    You know, I've found that people making those types of derogatory comments
    about the Canon 1Ds series are people that can't afford to purchase the
    system and/or lack the talent and ability to be a profitable working
    photographer, regardless of the brand of equipment used.

    The stupidity is further exemplified by comparing two different formats as
    if they would be used for producing the same product.

    To quote that great American, Buggs Bunny, "What a maroon."



    >
    > Just wondering if anyone would still be dumb enough to buy a Canon 1Ds
    > MIII for 8.000,- if you can get something so much better?
    >
    >
    > --
    > Focus
    >
    Sbc News, Mar 20, 2008
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    crownfield Guest

    In article <63393$47e2ad9b$5449056b$>,
    says...
    -Focus wrote:
    -> Phase One has developed a new camera system that they call: open platform.
    -Wow, it has "open" in the name. That's great!
    -
    -> It seems Hasselblad has dumped the H2 series.
    ->
    -whatever... out of my range anyway :-( Would love to have one!
    -
    -> The price range (Europe) is from 9.000 to 27.000 euro ex. VAT. for a
    -> complete camera with digital back and 80mm lens.
    ->
    -> http://www.phaseone.com/camera/
    ->
    -> Just wondering if anyone would still be dumb enough to buy a Canon 1Ds MIII
    -> for 8.000,- if you can get something so much better?
    ->
    -Someone who needs an all purpose-camera?`I've looked through the linup.
    -Quite impressive, and I would not say "no" to such a camera. But it's
    -not really superior.
    -They are slow (wow, the fastest has up to 70pictuers per MINUTE).
    -Sensor-Size "full frame CCD", factor 1.1. What is it now? 90% is nor
    -100%. Not that I would care, but it's this marketing-gibberish that I
    -don't like!
    -1hr exposure without noise. that's a plain lie! You can't digitize
    -anything without getting some noise.
    -Sorry, they may have a great product, but what they claim is ridiculous.
    -Up to ISO800. Nice, but not enough for general purpose. 1.5 images per
    -second: not really impressing.
    -
    -This is a great camera, but comparing this with a Professional DSLR is
    -just comparing apples and eggs. This is a specialised tool which does
    -great in it's field, but would fail miserably in many situations.
    -
    -For me, I'd prefer the Canon.

    medium and large format is a valuable option,
    as anyone who has used them knows.
    They each have their place.

    a 35 mm DSLR camera that could shoot 1,000 frames per second
    could waste at least 999 of them.

    -
    --kruemi
    -
    -

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    Bob Crownfield
    crownfield, Mar 20, 2008
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  10. Focus

    Focus Guest

    "Marco Tedaldi" <> wrote in message
    news:63393$47e2ad9b$5449056b$...
    > Focus wrote:
    >> Phase One has developed a new camera system that they call: open
    >> platform.

    > Wow, it has "open" in the name. That's great!
    >
    >> It seems Hasselblad has dumped the H2 series.
    >>

    > whatever... out of my range anyway :-( Would love to have one!
    >
    >> The price range (Europe) is from 9.000 to 27.000 euro ex. VAT. for a
    >> complete camera with digital back and 80mm lens.
    >>
    >> http://www.phaseone.com/camera/
    >>
    >> Just wondering if anyone would still be dumb enough to buy a Canon 1Ds
    >> MIII for 8.000,- if you can get something so much better?
    >>

    > Someone who needs an all purpose-camera?`I've looked through the linup.
    > Quite impressive, and I would not say "no" to such a camera. But it's not
    > really superior.
    > They are slow (wow, the fastest has up to 70pictuers per MINUTE).


    The 1Ds is not a Ferrari killer either.

    > Sensor-Size "full frame CCD", factor 1.1. What is it now? 90% is nor 100%.
    > Not that I would care, but it's this marketing-gibberish that I don't
    > like!
    > 1hr exposure without noise. that's a plain lie! You can't digitize
    > anything without getting some noise.
    > Sorry, they may have a great product, but what they claim is ridiculous.
    > Up to ISO800. Nice, but not enough for general purpose. 1.5 images per
    > second: not really impressing.


    Up to 1600 ISO, like the 1Ds. Look better.
    If you want speed you wouldn't buy either camera's, but go for the nikon D3
    with 9 fps and 25600 ISO.

    > This is a great camera, but comparing this with a Professional DSLR is
    > just comparing apples and eggs. This is a specialised tool which does
    > great in it's field, but would fail miserably in many situations.


    I think it holds up pretty damn good against the 1Ds. Both made for about
    the same market and the Phase with the software to correct the lenses etc.
    Not bad I think.

    > For me, I'd prefer the Canon.


    You can have my old one. ;-)


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    Focus, Mar 20, 2008
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    PixelPix Guest

    Re: Hasselblad (and Canon 1Ds MIII) killer?

    On Mar 20, 11:46 pm, "Focus" <> wrote:
    > Phase One has developed a new camera system that they call: open platform.
    > It seems Hasselblad has dumped the H2 series.
    >
    > The price range (Europe) is from 9.000 to 27.000 euro ex. VAT. for a
    > complete camera with digital back and 80mm lens.
    >
    > http://www.phaseone.com/camera/
    >
    > Just wondering if anyone would still be dumb enough to buy a Canon 1Ds MIII
    > for 8.000,- if you can get something so much better?
    >
    > --
    > Focus


    This is like taking the best 4x4 and the best 2 door sports and
    calling the guy who goes off-road dumb for picking the 4x4, just
    because the 2 door sports goes faster.

    2 very different cameras, each with their own strengths and their
    intended use would ultimately decide which one is right for the user.
    PixelPix, Mar 20, 2008
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    IV III Guest

    "Focus" <> a écrit dans le message de
    news:...
    > Phase One has developed a new camera system that they call: open platform.
    > It seems Hasselblad has dumped the H2 series.
    >
    > The price range (Europe) is from 9.000 to 27.000 euro ex. VAT. for a
    > complete camera with digital back and 80mm lens.
    >
    > http://www.phaseone.com/camera/
    >
    > Just wondering if anyone would still be dumb enough to buy a Canon 1Ds

    MIII
    > for 8.000,- if you can get something so much better?


    you just got in digital camera dont you ?
    IV III, Mar 20, 2008
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  13. Sbc News wrote:

    > You know, I've found that people making those types of derogatory
    > comments about the Canon 1Ds series are people that can't afford to
    > purchase the system and/or lack the talent and ability to be a
    > profitable working photographer, regardless of the brand of equipment
    > used.


    Well, I can call it a piece of shit that it is and if I really wanted to I
    could order one for each hand and have both of them paid off when the credit
    card statement arrives at the end of the month. Your point being? Oh, I
    wonder why Canon shooters are dumping the 1D Mk III and 1Ds Mk III in favor
    of the D3?

    > The stupidity is further exemplified by comparing two different
    > formats as if they would be used for producing the same product.


    Why? It's stupid paying $8K for a crippled camera when a few more skins
    will buy you a sweet Hassy. If Nikon makes the same mistake as Canon they
    will piss me off. Nikon won't be stupid enough to make an $8K white
    elephant.





    Rita
    Rita Berkowitz, Mar 20, 2008
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  14. Re: Hasselblad (and Canon 1Ds MIII) killer?

    RichA wrote:

    >> Just wondering if anyone would still be dumb enough to buy a Canon
    >> 1Ds MIII for 8.000,- if you can get something so much better?

    >
    > I don't know if it was a good branding move for Hasselblad, but Phase
    > One do dominate that realm. Also notice "noise free" 1 hour
    > exposures. Try THAT with any consumer DSLR. That's the difference
    > between selected CCD sensors and mass produced CMOS.


    Oh for Christ's sake everyone knows that Colonel Sanders hand selects the
    very best sensors for Canon pro bodies. He picks each one at the peak of
    ripeness and flash fries it to seal in the natural juices. Then he adds his
    secret recipe of eleven herbs and spices prior to another round in the
    grease pit. Once done he flash freezes them for shipment to Japan for
    installation in the Mk III series.





    Rita
    Rita Berkowitz, Mar 20, 2008
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    Alan Browne Guest

    Focus wrote:
    > Phase One has developed a new camera system that they call: open platform.
    > It seems Hasselblad has dumped the H2 series.
    >
    > The price range (Europe) is from 9.000 to 27.000 euro ex. VAT. for a
    > complete camera with digital back and 80mm lens.
    >
    > http://www.phaseone.com/camera/
    >
    > Just wondering if anyone would still be dumb enough to buy a Canon 1Ds MIII
    > for 8.000,- if you can get something so much better?



    The H3, 39 Mpix with 80mm lens is available for less US$ than the Phase
    One system at the same Mpix point. That's the problem with a $1.55 or
    so per Euro. (H3 @ B&H is US$34K or about 22 KEuro.)

    The H3 is definitely the better deal.

    8000 for the 1Da III? Commercial photographers spend a lot more money
    on other things besides camera bodies in any case. For a photographer
    with a stable of fine Canon lenses, what else should he consider?

    The Phase One approach allows a variety of MF lenses including the
    Hasselblad V series of which the market is loaded with used examples.
    That gives the Phase One system some wind.

    If I'm not mistaken, the portrayed 80mm lens does not have its own leaf
    shutter. (The Phase One site lacks a lot of detail vis-a-vis shutter
    (leaf) and sync speeds).

    It would be nice if Hasselblad increase the CFV back to about 30 Mpix.
    That would really extend the life of my 500 C/M and lenses.

    Cheers,
    Alan

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    Alan Browne, Mar 21, 2008
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    Allen Guest

    Re: Hasselblad (and Canon 1Ds MIII) killer?

    PixelPix wrote:
    <snip>
    > This is like taking the best 4x4 and the best 2 door sports and
    > calling the guy who goes off-road dumb for picking the 4x4, just
    > because the 2 door sports goes faster.
    >
    > 2 very different cameras, each with their own strengths and their
    > intended use would ultimately decide which one is right for the user.


    There you go, introducing logic to this thread. Shame on you.
    Allen
    Allen, Mar 21, 2008
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    Paul Furman Guest

    Tully Albrecht wrote:
    > On 2008-03-20 07:32:39 -0700, Paul Furman <> said:
    >
    >> Focus wrote:
    >>> Phase One has developed a new camera system that they call: open
    >>> platform.
    >>> It seems Hasselblad has dumped the H2 series.
    >>>
    >>> The price range (Europe) is from 9.000 to 27.000 euro ex. VAT. for a
    >>> complete camera with digital back and 80mm lens.
    >>>
    >>> http://www.phaseone.com/camera/
    >>>
    >>> Just wondering if anyone would still be dumb enough to buy a Canon
    >>> 1Ds MIII for 8.000,- if you can get something so much better?

    >>
    >> The low end back is 16MP square format though.

    >
    > So, if one of these were under your Christmas tree, you wouldn't bother
    > to tear off the gift wrapping?


    Not at all!

    Still it's priced with a 20MP DSLR
    Paul Furman, Mar 21, 2008
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  18. Rita Berkowitz <> wrote:

    > Oh, I wonder why Canon shooters are dumping the 1D Mk III and 1Ds Mk
    > III in favor of the D3?


    I wonder why you haven't stopped beating your SO.
    I wonder why D3 owners are turning up in mental hospitals in
    droves.

    -Wolfgang
    Wolfgang Weisselberg, Mar 21, 2008
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    C J Campbell Guest

    On 2008-03-20 06:46:43 -0700, "Focus" <> said:

    > Phase One has developed a new camera system that they call: open platform.
    > It seems Hasselblad has dumped the H2 series.
    >
    > The price range (Europe) is from 9.000 to 27.000 euro ex. VAT. for a
    > complete camera with digital back and 80mm lens.
    >
    > http://www.phaseone.com/camera/
    >


    I've seen it. They had a few of them in Las Vegas this week, next to
    the Samy's booth. Unfortunately, no prints. Just what you could see
    demoed on a monitor.

    There was no buzz or excitement at the booth. Mostly just curious
    people picking one up, turning it around, and putting it down again.
    Everyone is either Mark III or D3, with the exception of those of us
    who prefer somewhat lighter cameras such as the 5D or D300 (you would
    be surprised at how much difference it makes to arthritic wrists). The
    general consensus among the most successful pros (those making more
    than seven figures) was that the D3 and D300 have finally surpassed
    Canon in noise suppression, but that the Canons are now slightly
    sharper. Despite all the hype, very few seemed interested in switching
    brands at this point. None of them were using medium format digital. A
    few are still using medium format film.

    In fact, I heard far more talk of switching from PC to Mac than there
    was of switching from Canon to Nikon or vice versa.

    As an aside, Kevin Kubota introduced his new actions disk. That got a
    lot more interest than the the PhaseOne camera. In fact, it was almost
    impossible to get anywhere near Kubota's booth.

    Westcott's new strobe was selling extremely well, also; long lines
    there, despite the fact that the strobe will not even ship until some
    time in April. And Expo/Discs were flying off the shelves. Even I
    bought one. Color balancing with one of these produces such lovely skin
    tones.

    I would guess that speaks volumes about what the real pros thought was
    important. Some (especially the younger types) were even saying that
    medium format is dead, but personally I am not ready to throw dirt on
    the coffin.

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    C J Campbell, Mar 22, 2008
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