Hard dose of reality

Discussion in 'A+ Certification' started by Sporky, Dec 4, 2003.

  1. Sporky

    Sporky Guest

    Having been in the computer industry for quite some time, its easy to
    notice who got certified in the sole interest of making money.
    Whatever you do don't dilude yourself into thinking cert=money because
    most of the time, it doesn't.

    The majority the good computer/network techs/engineers ive known, got
    into computers as a hobby and for no other reason. They followed their
    dreams. They, coincidentally, just happened to be good paying dreams.

    In my humble opinion, these certs were originally made to protect
    employers from bs artists and parking lot attendants who wanted free
    money in computers. Many managers were oblivious as to how to do the
    jobs of the people they were managing/hiring (typical) so they devised
    at test to do the thinking and the weeding out for them.


    The "Certification process" has seroiusly backfired. Instead of
    protecting companies from cash grabbers and bs'ers. It has given them
    a golden ticket in!
    This also forced good computer specialists who already knew what they
    were doing to waste money on tests securing their jobs from bs'ing
    parkinglot attendants.

    But it sure made a ton of cash for the test publishers, test centers
    and book publishers.

    All im saying is dont rely on the cert alone to get you where you want
    to go. Follow your heart and do what you love. Rewards will come.

    -Spork
     
    Sporky, Dec 4, 2003
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    David Hough Guest

    Sporky,
    You know what! After servicing PCs and periferals for several years, I
    got dumped, along with five others one day, after 9/11. So you start
    looking around for a new job and there is nothing. It's rejection,
    daily. I studied for and passed my A+. I'm not going to say it got me
    the job I have, but it was the first positive thing to happin in my life
    at that time. And as a tech, it gave me the confidence that you need
    when you walk in for a job interview. Dave
     
    David Hough, Dec 4, 2003
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    Rob Guest

    Unfortunately I agree with Sporky, I have found absolutely nothing since
    becoming certified. The only thing I have found is that I can't even get a
    part-time job at a retail place such as Radio Shack to pay the bills since I
    am currently unemployed. They don't want to hire me because they know it's a
    survival job and that I'm out the first chance I get. I'm not trying to
    knock the certifications because that's not what is at fault; it's the
    current economic situations. And I'm really getting sick of people and
    newspaper publications saying that the economy is coming back. NO IT'S
    NOT!!! At least not for the multitude of unemployed IT techs out there. The
    only people seeing an upswing in the economy are corporations. I personally
    don't want to hear anything more about it until they say "250,000 jobs
    expected to be filled within the next six months due to the economic
    upturn." hehehe Sorry had to rant a bit.
    "David Hough" <> wrote in message
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    >
    >
    > Sporky,
    > You know what! After servicing PCs and periferals for several years, I
    > got dumped, along with five others one day, after 9/11. So you start
    > looking around for a new job and there is nothing. It's rejection,
    > daily. I studied for and passed my A+. I'm not going to say it got me
    > the job I have, but it was the first positive thing to happin in my life
    > at that time. And as a tech, it gave me the confidence that you need
    > when you walk in for a job interview. Dave
    >
     
    Rob, Dec 5, 2003
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    Dani Guest

    I work at a small ISP/computer repair center. When I became A+ certified it
    did not bring me any raise, but my company reimbursed me for the cost of the
    exam when I passed. I think it was definitely a positive thing for me to do
    as a sign of my commitment to learning more and being a better tech, which
    in turn benefits my employer. My boss was quite pleased that I'd studied,
    gone for the certification and passed the test. In addition to seniority, I
    am the only A+ employed here. The A+ is added job security as far as I'm
    concerned.

    I also noticed a job ad recently that paid 13.00-16.00 to start, traveling
    for a company and doing equipment repairs. It stated the person had to be A+
    certified to be considered.

    My Network+ books just arrived and I am definitely proceeding with glee!

    Dani
    A+

    "Sporky" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > Having been in the computer industry for quite some time, its easy to
    > notice who got certified in the sole interest of making money.
    > Whatever you do don't dilude yourself into thinking cert=money because
    > most of the time, it doesn't.
    >
    > The majority the good computer/network techs/engineers ive known, got
    > into computers as a hobby and for no other reason. They followed their
    > dreams. They, coincidentally, just happened to be good paying dreams.
    >
    > In my humble opinion, these certs were originally made to protect
    > employers from bs artists and parking lot attendants who wanted free
    > money in computers. Many managers were oblivious as to how to do the
    > jobs of the people they were managing/hiring (typical) so they devised
    > at test to do the thinking and the weeding out for them.
    >
    >
    > The "Certification process" has seroiusly backfired. Instead of
    > protecting companies from cash grabbers and bs'ers. It has given them
    > a golden ticket in!
    > This also forced good computer specialists who already knew what they
    > were doing to waste money on tests securing their jobs from bs'ing
    > parkinglot attendants.
    >
    > But it sure made a ton of cash for the test publishers, test centers
    > and book publishers.
    >
    > All im saying is dont rely on the cert alone to get you where you want
    > to go. Follow your heart and do what you love. Rewards will come.
    >
    > -Spork



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    Dani, Dec 5, 2003
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    hootnholler Guest

    Hey Sporky,

    I follow where you are coming from, sincerely. I agree with most of what
    you have stated, as well as what some of the others have posted. I look at
    it this way, the certs get you the interview, your experience and the way
    you handle yourself gets you the job. Going forward with your education
    keeps your job. As you so succinctly pointed out, you get what you put into
    it. I wholeheartedly agree with that statement, and I'm sure quite a few
    others do, also. How many of you have seen the braindumps as a mere waste
    of time?

    If you don't like computers, or are thinking of going this route for that
    quick buck, stop, right now. Go sell Amway. You will be dealing with
    computers on a daily basis, you will be asked for your knowledge of the
    personal confuser, and you will also show how much enthusiasm you have in
    this field. Imagine going to the doctor and having them say, "well, I don't
    know what you have, and I really don't care. Go see someone else." Or,
    your local auto mechanic "yep, that's sure a problem, but guess what? I
    don't really like working on cars, so I'll do half the job, charge you full
    price. How's that sound?" Sorry, either one of them, I would prefer to
    hear, "Ya know, I'm not 100% sure what is wrong, but I'll work on this day
    and night until I figure it out. In the meantime, would you feel more
    comfortable asking for a second opinion? I'll continue my research until I
    have an answer for you... but heres a few thoughts that I have..."

    There's two types of people in this world, those that dazzle you with
    brilliance, and those that try to baffle ya with b.s.. Which one are you in
    this computer field? (disclaimer: rhetorical question, you need to answer
    that for yourself, not me ;-) )



    "Sporky" <> wrote in message
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    >
    > I didnt mean to be a wet blanket. I was mostly venting some frustration
    > and observations. Certifications do have their place and can
    > complement experience. It really depends on what you put into it. If
    > your in it for the long term and it fits into your goals then all the
    > better.
    >
    > Not to mention it could be an edge when combined with experience and
    > enthusiam if you fall on hard times and are having trouble finding a
    > job. It does show some level of commitment to the industry you are a
    > part of.
    >
    > After all college can be approached the same way as certifications. How
    > many jackasses to you know that managed to get a college degree? I know
    > many, myself included. Like I said you get out of it what you put into
    > it.
    >
    > -Spork
    >
    >
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    hootnholler, Dec 6, 2003
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    Jinkies Guest

    In article <>,
    says...
    >
    >
    >I didnt mean to be a wet blanket. I was mostly venting some frustration
    >and observations. Certifications do have their place and can
    >complement experience. It really depends on what you put into it. If
    >your in it for the long term and it fits into your goals then all the
    >better.
    >
    >Not to mention it could be an edge when combined with experience and
    >enthusiam if you fall on hard times and are having trouble finding a
    >job. It does show some level of commitment to the industry you are a
    >part of.
    >
    >After all college can be approached the same way as certifications. How
    >many jackasses to you know that managed to get a college degree? I know
    >many, myself included. Like I said you get out of it what you put into
    >it.


    Isn't education considered to be an 'investment'? Therefore you should be
    trying to get more out of it than you put into it.
     
    Jinkies, Dec 6, 2003
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