Half cooked security?

Discussion in 'Wireless Networking' started by JimL, Dec 25, 2009.

  1. JimL

    JimL Guest

    If my 2 computer network is half wired and half wireless, do the same
    procedures apply for setting up security, or can I apply security only to
    the wireless side?

    --
    For most of us the most danger is most politicians.

    JimL
    JimL, Dec 25, 2009
    #1
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  2. Hi
    Wireless has one specific security arrangement that is meant to secure the
    Wireless airborne signal and prevent unauthorized log on through the
    Wireless to your Network.
    In addition, all other security measures, like Firewall, AntiVirus, etc.,
    have to apply to both the Wire, and the Wireless connection.
    Wireless Connection Security.
    From the weakest to the strongest, Wireless security capacity is.
    No Security
    Switching Off SSID (same has No Security. SSID can be easily sniffed even if
    it is Off)
    MAC Filtering______(Band Aid if nothing else is available, MAC number can be
    easily Spoofed).
    WEP64____(Easy, to "Break" by knowledgeable people).
    WEP128___(A little Harder, but "Hackable" too).
    -------------------
    The three above are Not considered safe.
    Safe Starts here at WPA.
    -------------------
    WPA-PSK__(Very Hard to Break).
    WPA-AES__(Not functionally Breakable)
    WPA2____ (Not functionally Breakable).
    Note 1: WPA-AES the the current entry level rendition of WPA2.
    Note 2: If you use WinXP bellow SP3 and did not updated it, you would have
    to download the WPA2 patch from Microsoft.
    <http://support.microsoft.com/kb/893357>
    The documentation of your Wireless devices (Wireless Router, and Wireless
    Computer's Card) should state the type of security that is available with
    your Wireless hardware.
    All devices MUST be set to the same security level using the same pass
    phrase.
    Therefore the security must be set according what ever is the best possible
    of one of the Wireless devices.
    I.e. even if most of your system might be capable to be configured to the
    max. with WPA2, but one device is only capable to be configured to max . of
    WEP, to whole system must be configured to WEP.
    If you need more good security and one device (like a Wireless card that can
    do WEP only) is holding better security for the whole Network, replace the
    device with a better one.
    Setting Wireless Security - http://www.ezlan.net/Wireless_Security.html
    The Core differences between WEP, WPA, and WPA2 -
    http://www.ezlan.net/wpa_wep.html
    Jack (MVP-Networking).

    "JimL" <> wrote in message
    news:hh3j4m$dec$-september.org...
    > If my 2 computer network is half wired and half wireless, do the same
    > procedures apply for setting up security, or can I apply security only to
    > the wireless side?
    >
    > --
    > For most of us the most danger is most politicians.
    >
    > JimL
    >
    >
    Jack [MVP-Networking], Dec 26, 2009
    #2
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  3. JimL

    JimL Guest

    Great thumbnail of wireless security levels. Thanks.

    I have one computer wired to a router port while the other runs wirelessly.
    I _THINK_ maybe you said my wired computer must run a wireless security
    protocol as well as the wireless computer, even though no one can drive by
    my house and tune in wirelessly to my wired computer. Is that correct?

    Or did you say that a wireless computer can not be secured if there is a
    wired computer on the network?

    "Jack [MVP-Networking]" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > Hi
    > Wireless has one specific security arrangement that is meant to secure the
    > Wireless airborne signal and prevent unauthorized log on through the
    > Wireless to your Network.
    > In addition, all other security measures, like Firewall, AntiVirus, etc.,
    > have to apply to both the Wire, and the Wireless connection.
    > Wireless Connection Security.
    > From the weakest to the strongest, Wireless security capacity is.
    > No Security
    > Switching Off SSID (same has No Security. SSID can be easily sniffed even
    > if it is Off)
    > MAC Filtering______(Band Aid if nothing else is available, MAC number can
    > be easily Spoofed).
    > WEP64____(Easy, to "Break" by knowledgeable people).
    > WEP128___(A little Harder, but "Hackable" too).
    > -------------------
    > The three above are Not considered safe.
    > Safe Starts here at WPA.
    > -------------------
    > WPA-PSK__(Very Hard to Break).
    > WPA-AES__(Not functionally Breakable)
    > WPA2____ (Not functionally Breakable).
    > Note 1: WPA-AES the the current entry level rendition of WPA2.
    > Note 2: If you use WinXP bellow SP3 and did not updated it, you would have
    > to download the WPA2 patch from Microsoft.
    > <http://support.microsoft.com/kb/893357>
    > The documentation of your Wireless devices (Wireless Router, and Wireless
    > Computer's Card) should state the type of security that is available with
    > your Wireless hardware.
    > All devices MUST be set to the same security level using the same pass
    > phrase.
    > Therefore the security must be set according what ever is the best
    > possible of one of the Wireless devices.
    > I.e. even if most of your system might be capable to be configured to the
    > max. with WPA2, but one device is only capable to be configured to max .
    > of WEP, to whole system must be configured to WEP.
    > If you need more good security and one device (like a Wireless card that
    > can do WEP only) is holding better security for the whole Network, replace
    > the device with a better one.
    > Setting Wireless Security - http://www.ezlan.net/Wireless_Security.html
    > The Core differences between WEP, WPA, and WPA2 -
    > http://www.ezlan.net/wpa_wep.html
    > Jack (MVP-Networking).
    >
    > "JimL" <> wrote in message
    > news:hh3j4m$dec$-september.org...
    >> If my 2 computer network is half wired and half wireless, do the same
    >> procedures apply for setting up security, or can I apply security only to
    >> the wireless side?
    >>
    >> --
    >> For most of us the most danger is most politicians.
    >>
    >> JimL
    >>
    >>

    >




    --
    For most of us the most danger is most politicians.

    JimL
    JimL, Dec 26, 2009
    #3
  4. JimL

    JimL Guest

    If y'all don't mind I'd like to get to my actual question.

    "can I apply security only to the wireless side?"

    Perhaps I should reword it.

    "can I apply security to only the wireless side?"

    Or:

    "can I apply security to the wireless side regardless of the wired side?"

    Or:

    "can I apply security WITHIN the wireless connection between the router and
    the wireless computer?"

    I'm not asking about levels of security or additional security, but
    .............. the question in my OP.


    "Frankster" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > If I may... neither actually.
    >
    > Basically what he said is that a wireless connection offers ONE ADDITIONAL
    > security measure that is not available on a wired connection. That
    > additional measure - encryption - is only necessary becuase a wireless
    > connection is the only one of the two that present an over-the-air
    > security risk. Other than that, security measures are the same for both.
    >
    > -Frank
    >
    > "JimL" <> wrote in message
    > news:hh5fos$rvf$-september.org...
    >> Great thumbnail of wireless security levels. Thanks.
    >>
    >> I have one computer wired to a router port while the other runs
    >> wirelessly. I _THINK_ maybe you said my wired computer must run a
    >> wireless security protocol as well as the wireless computer, even though
    >> no one can drive by my house and tune in wirelessly to my wired computer.
    >> Is that correct?
    >>
    >> Or did you say that a wireless computer can not be secured if there is a
    >> wired computer on the network?
    >>
    >> "Jack [MVP-Networking]" <> wrote in message
    >> news:...
    >>> Hi
    >>> Wireless has one specific security arrangement that is meant to secure
    >>> the Wireless airborne signal and prevent unauthorized log on through the
    >>> Wireless to your Network.
    >>> In addition, all other security measures, like Firewall, AntiVirus,
    >>> etc., have to apply to both the Wire, and the Wireless connection.
    >>> Wireless Connection Security.
    >>> From the weakest to the strongest, Wireless security capacity is.
    >>> No Security
    >>> Switching Off SSID (same has No Security. SSID can be easily sniffed
    >>> even if it is Off)
    >>> MAC Filtering______(Band Aid if nothing else is available, MAC number
    >>> can be easily Spoofed).
    >>> WEP64____(Easy, to "Break" by knowledgeable people).
    >>> WEP128___(A little Harder, but "Hackable" too).
    >>> -------------------
    >>> The three above are Not considered safe.
    >>> Safe Starts here at WPA.
    >>> -------------------
    >>> WPA-PSK__(Very Hard to Break).
    >>> WPA-AES__(Not functionally Breakable)
    >>> WPA2____ (Not functionally Breakable).
    >>> Note 1: WPA-AES the the current entry level rendition of WPA2.
    >>> Note 2: If you use WinXP bellow SP3 and did not updated it, you would
    >>> have to download the WPA2 patch from Microsoft.
    >>> <http://support.microsoft.com/kb/893357>
    >>> The documentation of your Wireless devices (Wireless Router, and
    >>> Wireless Computer's Card) should state the type of security that is
    >>> available with your Wireless hardware.
    >>> All devices MUST be set to the same security level using the same pass
    >>> phrase.
    >>> Therefore the security must be set according what ever is the best
    >>> possible of one of the Wireless devices.
    >>> I.e. even if most of your system might be capable to be configured to
    >>> the max. with WPA2, but one device is only capable to be configured to
    >>> max . of WEP, to whole system must be configured to WEP.
    >>> If you need more good security and one device (like a Wireless card that
    >>> can do WEP only) is holding better security for the whole Network,
    >>> replace the device with a better one.
    >>> Setting Wireless Security - http://www.ezlan.net/Wireless_Security.html
    >>> The Core differences between WEP, WPA, and WPA2 -
    >>> http://www.ezlan.net/wpa_wep.html
    >>> Jack (MVP-Networking).
    >>>
    >>> "JimL" <> wrote in message
    >>> news:hh3j4m$dec$-september.org...
    >>>> If my 2 computer network is half wired and half wireless, do the same
    >>>> procedures apply for setting up security, or can I apply security only
    >>>> to the wireless side?
    >>>>
    >>>> --
    >>>> For most of us the most danger is most politicians.
    >>>>
    >>>> JimL
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>

    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> --
    >> For most of us the most danger is most politicians.
    >>
    >> JimL
    >>
    >>

    >




    --
    For most of us the most danger is most politicians.

    JimL
    JimL, Dec 26, 2009
    #4
  5. Hi
    Please read this, http://www.ezlan.net/faq.html#secure
    Jack (MS, MVP-Networking).

    "JimL" <> wrote in message
    news:hh5ucj$ljf$-september.org...
    > If y'all don't mind I'd like to get to my actual question.
    >
    > "can I apply security only to the wireless side?"
    >
    > Perhaps I should reword it.
    >
    > "can I apply security to only the wireless side?"
    >
    > Or:
    >
    > "can I apply security to the wireless side regardless of the wired side?"
    >
    > Or:
    >
    > "can I apply security WITHIN the wireless connection between the router
    > and the wireless computer?"
    >
    > I'm not asking about levels of security or additional security, but
    > ............. the question in my OP.
    >
    >
    > "Frankster" <> wrote in message
    > news:...
    >> If I may... neither actually.
    >>
    >> Basically what he said is that a wireless connection offers ONE
    >> ADDITIONAL security measure that is not available on a wired connection.
    >> That additional measure - encryption - is only necessary becuase a
    >> wireless connection is the only one of the two that present an
    >> over-the-air security risk. Other than that, security measures are the
    >> same for both.
    >>
    >> -Frank
    >>
    >> "JimL" <> wrote in message
    >> news:hh5fos$rvf$-september.org...
    >>> Great thumbnail of wireless security levels. Thanks.
    >>>
    >>> I have one computer wired to a router port while the other runs
    >>> wirelessly. I _THINK_ maybe you said my wired computer must run a
    >>> wireless security protocol as well as the wireless computer, even though
    >>> no one can drive by my house and tune in wirelessly to my wired
    >>> computer. Is that correct?
    >>>
    >>> Or did you say that a wireless computer can not be secured if there is a
    >>> wired computer on the network?
    >>>
    >>> "Jack [MVP-Networking]" <> wrote in message
    >>> news:...
    >>>> Hi
    >>>> Wireless has one specific security arrangement that is meant to secure
    >>>> the Wireless airborne signal and prevent unauthorized log on through
    >>>> the Wireless to your Network.
    >>>> In addition, all other security measures, like Firewall, AntiVirus,
    >>>> etc., have to apply to both the Wire, and the Wireless connection.
    >>>> Wireless Connection Security.
    >>>> From the weakest to the strongest, Wireless security capacity is.
    >>>> No Security
    >>>> Switching Off SSID (same has No Security. SSID can be easily sniffed
    >>>> even if it is Off)
    >>>> MAC Filtering______(Band Aid if nothing else is available, MAC number
    >>>> can be easily Spoofed).
    >>>> WEP64____(Easy, to "Break" by knowledgeable people).
    >>>> WEP128___(A little Harder, but "Hackable" too).
    >>>> -------------------
    >>>> The three above are Not considered safe.
    >>>> Safe Starts here at WPA.
    >>>> -------------------
    >>>> WPA-PSK__(Very Hard to Break).
    >>>> WPA-AES__(Not functionally Breakable)
    >>>> WPA2____ (Not functionally Breakable).
    >>>> Note 1: WPA-AES the the current entry level rendition of WPA2.
    >>>> Note 2: If you use WinXP bellow SP3 and did not updated it, you would
    >>>> have to download the WPA2 patch from Microsoft.
    >>>> <http://support.microsoft.com/kb/893357>
    >>>> The documentation of your Wireless devices (Wireless Router, and
    >>>> Wireless Computer's Card) should state the type of security that is
    >>>> available with your Wireless hardware.
    >>>> All devices MUST be set to the same security level using the same pass
    >>>> phrase.
    >>>> Therefore the security must be set according what ever is the best
    >>>> possible of one of the Wireless devices.
    >>>> I.e. even if most of your system might be capable to be configured to
    >>>> the max. with WPA2, but one device is only capable to be configured to
    >>>> max . of WEP, to whole system must be configured to WEP.
    >>>> If you need more good security and one device (like a Wireless card
    >>>> that can do WEP only) is holding better security for the whole Network,
    >>>> replace the device with a better one.
    >>>> Setting Wireless Security - http://www.ezlan.net/Wireless_Security.html
    >>>> The Core differences between WEP, WPA, and WPA2 -
    >>>> http://www.ezlan.net/wpa_wep.html
    >>>> Jack (MVP-Networking).
    >>>>
    >>>> "JimL" <> wrote in message
    >>>> news:hh3j4m$dec$-september.org...
    >>>>> If my 2 computer network is half wired and half wireless, do the same
    >>>>> procedures apply for setting up security, or can I apply security only
    >>>>> to the wireless side?
    >>>>>
    >>>>> --
    >>>>> For most of us the most danger is most politicians.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> JimL
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> --
    >>> For most of us the most danger is most politicians.
    >>>
    >>> JimL
    >>>
    >>>

    >>

    >
    >
    >
    > --
    > For most of us the most danger is most politicians.
    >
    > JimL
    >
    >
    Jack [MVP-Networking], Dec 26, 2009
    #5
  6. JimL

    JimL Guest

    I guess you're pulling my leg, saying you have no idea what wireless
    security is. How can I say it better than wireless. Radio? RF
    frequencies? What does wireless security between a computer and a router
    mean? Very obviously making sure I'm the only one using it. I think
    someone used the word sniffing. You don't know about that? I don't believe
    it. What else would wireless computer security mean but secure
    transmission? What magic word is it you want me to say? You tell _me_ what
    wireless security is. My guess is that it's probably encryption of some
    sort or a thousand sorts, but I'm not a wireless security expert.

    Anti-virus? Firewalls? Get serious. By the most simple logic that applies
    equally to wired connections and I DID make it clear I'm not talking about a
    wired connection. So I don't get your question.

    Back then to my question. Whatever wireless security is, and however many
    varieties it comes in, can you do it to a wireless connection when a wired
    computer (and nothing else) is on the other end of the router. That's what
    I have asked and am asking. A wire is naturally secure unless you have it
    extending into the public place. Can you secure the unsecured (wireless)
    end? I'm sorry but it seems like a simple question to me.


    "Frankster" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > The problem with this post as well as your OP is that you did not define
    > "security". Maybe you should. There are bazillions of interpretations of
    > "security".
    >
    > -Frank
    >
    >
    > "JimL" <> wrote in message
    > news:hh5ucj$ljf$-september.org...
    >> If y'all don't mind I'd like to get to my actual question.
    >>
    >> "can I apply security only to the wireless side?"
    >>
    >> Perhaps I should reword it.
    >>
    >> "can I apply security to only the wireless side?"
    >>
    >> Or:
    >>
    >> "can I apply security to the wireless side regardless of the wired side?"
    >>
    >> Or:
    >>
    >> "can I apply security WITHIN the wireless connection between the router
    >> and the wireless computer?"
    >>
    >> I'm not asking about levels of security or additional security, but
    >> ............. the question in my OP.
    >>
    >>
    >> "Frankster" <> wrote in message
    >> news:...
    >>> If I may... neither actually.
    >>>
    >>> Basically what he said is that a wireless connection offers ONE
    >>> ADDITIONAL security measure that is not available on a wired connection.
    >>> That additional measure - encryption - is only necessary becuase a
    >>> wireless connection is the only one of the two that present an
    >>> over-the-air security risk. Other than that, security measures are the
    >>> same for both.
    >>>
    >>> -Frank
    >>>
    >>> "JimL" <> wrote in message
    >>> news:hh5fos$rvf$-september.org...
    >>>> Great thumbnail of wireless security levels. Thanks.
    >>>>
    >>>> I have one computer wired to a router port while the other runs
    >>>> wirelessly. I _THINK_ maybe you said my wired computer must run a
    >>>> wireless security protocol as well as the wireless computer, even
    >>>> though no one can drive by my house and tune in wirelessly to my wired
    >>>> computer. Is that correct?
    >>>>
    >>>> Or did you say that a wireless computer can not be secured if there is
    >>>> a wired computer on the network?
    >>>>
    >>>> "Jack [MVP-Networking]" <> wrote in message
    >>>> news:...
    >>>>> Hi
    >>>>> Wireless has one specific security arrangement that is meant to secure
    >>>>> the Wireless airborne signal and prevent unauthorized log on through
    >>>>> the Wireless to your Network.
    >>>>> In addition, all other security measures, like Firewall, AntiVirus,
    >>>>> etc., have to apply to both the Wire, and the Wireless connection.
    >>>>> Wireless Connection Security.
    >>>>> From the weakest to the strongest, Wireless security capacity is.
    >>>>> No Security
    >>>>> Switching Off SSID (same has No Security. SSID can be easily sniffed
    >>>>> even if it is Off)
    >>>>> MAC Filtering______(Band Aid if nothing else is available, MAC number
    >>>>> can be easily Spoofed).
    >>>>> WEP64____(Easy, to "Break" by knowledgeable people).
    >>>>> WEP128___(A little Harder, but "Hackable" too).
    >>>>> -------------------
    >>>>> The three above are Not considered safe.
    >>>>> Safe Starts here at WPA.
    >>>>> -------------------
    >>>>> WPA-PSK__(Very Hard to Break).
    >>>>> WPA-AES__(Not functionally Breakable)
    >>>>> WPA2____ (Not functionally Breakable).
    >>>>> Note 1: WPA-AES the the current entry level rendition of WPA2.
    >>>>> Note 2: If you use WinXP bellow SP3 and did not updated it, you would
    >>>>> have to download the WPA2 patch from Microsoft.
    >>>>> <http://support.microsoft.com/kb/893357>
    >>>>> The documentation of your Wireless devices (Wireless Router, and
    >>>>> Wireless Computer's Card) should state the type of security that is
    >>>>> available with your Wireless hardware.
    >>>>> All devices MUST be set to the same security level using the same pass
    >>>>> phrase.
    >>>>> Therefore the security must be set according what ever is the best
    >>>>> possible of one of the Wireless devices.
    >>>>> I.e. even if most of your system might be capable to be configured to
    >>>>> the max. with WPA2, but one device is only capable to be configured to
    >>>>> max . of WEP, to whole system must be configured to WEP.
    >>>>> If you need more good security and one device (like a Wireless card
    >>>>> that can do WEP only) is holding better security for the whole
    >>>>> Network, replace the device with a better one.
    >>>>> Setting Wireless Security -
    >>>>> http://www.ezlan.net/Wireless_Security.html
    >>>>> The Core differences between WEP, WPA, and WPA2 -
    >>>>> http://www.ezlan.net/wpa_wep.html
    >>>>> Jack (MVP-Networking).
    >>>>>
    >>>>> "JimL" <> wrote in message
    >>>>> news:hh3j4m$dec$-september.org...
    >>>>>> If my 2 computer network is half wired and half wireless, do the same
    >>>>>> procedures apply for setting up security, or can I apply security
    >>>>>> only to the wireless side?
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> --
    >>>>>> For most of us the most danger is most politicians.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> JimL
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> --
    >>>> For most of us the most danger is most politicians.
    >>>>
    >>>> JimL
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>

    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> --
    >> For most of us the most danger is most politicians.
    >>
    >> JimL
    >>
    >>

    >




    --
    For most of us the most danger is most politicians.

    JimL
    JimL, Dec 27, 2009
    #6
  7. JimL

    JimL Guest

    Thanks.

    I see nothing there about having one wired computer and one wireless
    computer on a router and how to secure the wireless one.

    "Jack [MVP-Networking]" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > Hi
    > Please read this, http://www.ezlan.net/faq.html#secure
    > Jack (MS, MVP-Networking).
    >
    > "JimL" <> wrote in message
    > news:hh5ucj$ljf$-september.org...
    >> If y'all don't mind I'd like to get to my actual question.
    >>
    >> "can I apply security only to the wireless side?"
    >>
    >> Perhaps I should reword it.
    >>
    >> "can I apply security to only the wireless side?"
    >>
    >> Or:
    >>
    >> "can I apply security to the wireless side regardless of the wired side?"
    >>
    >> Or:
    >>
    >> "can I apply security WITHIN the wireless connection between the router
    >> and the wireless computer?"
    >>
    >> I'm not asking about levels of security or additional security, but
    >> ............. the question in my OP.
    >>
    >>
    >> "Frankster" <> wrote in message
    >> news:...
    >>> If I may... neither actually.
    >>>
    >>> Basically what he said is that a wireless connection offers ONE
    >>> ADDITIONAL security measure that is not available on a wired connection.
    >>> That additional measure - encryption - is only necessary becuase a
    >>> wireless connection is the only one of the two that present an
    >>> over-the-air security risk. Other than that, security measures are the
    >>> same for both.
    >>>
    >>> -Frank
    >>>
    >>> "JimL" <> wrote in message
    >>> news:hh5fos$rvf$-september.org...
    >>>> Great thumbnail of wireless security levels. Thanks.
    >>>>
    >>>> I have one computer wired to a router port while the other runs
    >>>> wirelessly. I _THINK_ maybe you said my wired computer must run a
    >>>> wireless security protocol as well as the wireless computer, even
    >>>> though no one can drive by my house and tune in wirelessly to my wired
    >>>> computer. Is that correct?
    >>>>
    >>>> Or did you say that a wireless computer can not be secured if there is
    >>>> a wired computer on the network?
    >>>>
    >>>> "Jack [MVP-Networking]" <> wrote in message
    >>>> news:...
    >>>>> Hi
    >>>>> Wireless has one specific security arrangement that is meant to secure
    >>>>> the Wireless airborne signal and prevent unauthorized log on through
    >>>>> the Wireless to your Network.
    >>>>> In addition, all other security measures, like Firewall, AntiVirus,
    >>>>> etc., have to apply to both the Wire, and the Wireless connection.
    >>>>> Wireless Connection Security.
    >>>>> From the weakest to the strongest, Wireless security capacity is.
    >>>>> No Security
    >>>>> Switching Off SSID (same has No Security. SSID can be easily sniffed
    >>>>> even if it is Off)
    >>>>> MAC Filtering______(Band Aid if nothing else is available, MAC number
    >>>>> can be easily Spoofed).
    >>>>> WEP64____(Easy, to "Break" by knowledgeable people).
    >>>>> WEP128___(A little Harder, but "Hackable" too).
    >>>>> -------------------
    >>>>> The three above are Not considered safe.
    >>>>> Safe Starts here at WPA.
    >>>>> -------------------
    >>>>> WPA-PSK__(Very Hard to Break).
    >>>>> WPA-AES__(Not functionally Breakable)
    >>>>> WPA2____ (Not functionally Breakable).
    >>>>> Note 1: WPA-AES the the current entry level rendition of WPA2.
    >>>>> Note 2: If you use WinXP bellow SP3 and did not updated it, you would
    >>>>> have to download the WPA2 patch from Microsoft.
    >>>>> <http://support.microsoft.com/kb/893357>
    >>>>> The documentation of your Wireless devices (Wireless Router, and
    >>>>> Wireless Computer's Card) should state the type of security that is
    >>>>> available with your Wireless hardware.
    >>>>> All devices MUST be set to the same security level using the same pass
    >>>>> phrase.
    >>>>> Therefore the security must be set according what ever is the best
    >>>>> possible of one of the Wireless devices.
    >>>>> I.e. even if most of your system might be capable to be configured to
    >>>>> the max. with WPA2, but one device is only capable to be configured to
    >>>>> max . of WEP, to whole system must be configured to WEP.
    >>>>> If you need more good security and one device (like a Wireless card
    >>>>> that can do WEP only) is holding better security for the whole
    >>>>> Network, replace the device with a better one.
    >>>>> Setting Wireless Security -
    >>>>> http://www.ezlan.net/Wireless_Security.html
    >>>>> The Core differences between WEP, WPA, and WPA2 -
    >>>>> http://www.ezlan.net/wpa_wep.html
    >>>>> Jack (MVP-Networking).
    >>>>>
    >>>>> "JimL" <> wrote in message
    >>>>> news:hh3j4m$dec$-september.org...
    >>>>>> If my 2 computer network is half wired and half wireless, do the same
    >>>>>> procedures apply for setting up security, or can I apply security
    >>>>>> only to the wireless side?
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> --
    >>>>>> For most of us the most danger is most politicians.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> JimL
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> --
    >>>> For most of us the most danger is most politicians.
    >>>>
    >>>> JimL
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>

    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> --
    >> For most of us the most danger is most politicians.
    >>
    >> JimL
    >>
    >>

    >




    --
    For most of us the most danger is most politicians.

    JimL
    JimL, Dec 27, 2009
    #7
  8. Hi
    My post from the 25th explains the Wireless security.
    That is what is needed to be done with the Wireless regardless of whether
    you have (or do not have) a wire connection too.
    In addition a personal Network (wire, and or Wireless) if used for Internet
    connection, needs to be secured from the Internet too.
    This type of security is done by making sure that each computer (Wire, and
    Wireless) has installed and active, Firewall, AntiVirus, and AntiSpyware
    applications.
    Jack (MS, MVP-Networking).

    "JimL" <> wrote in message
    news:hh6uep$jc2$-september.org...
    > Thanks.
    >
    > I see nothing there about having one wired computer and one wireless
    > computer on a router and how to secure the wireless one.
    >
    > "Jack [MVP-Networking]" <> wrote in message
    > news:...
    >> Hi
    >> Please read this, http://www.ezlan.net/faq.html#secure
    >> Jack (MS, MVP-Networking).
    >>
    >> "JimL" <> wrote in message
    >> news:hh5ucj$ljf$-september.org...
    >>> If y'all don't mind I'd like to get to my actual question.
    >>>
    >>> "can I apply security only to the wireless side?"
    >>>
    >>> Perhaps I should reword it.
    >>>
    >>> "can I apply security to only the wireless side?"
    >>>
    >>> Or:
    >>>
    >>> "can I apply security to the wireless side regardless of the wired
    >>> side?"
    >>>
    >>> Or:
    >>>
    >>> "can I apply security WITHIN the wireless connection between the router
    >>> and the wireless computer?"
    >>>
    >>> I'm not asking about levels of security or additional security, but
    >>> ............. the question in my OP.
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> "Frankster" <> wrote in message
    >>> news:...
    >>>> If I may... neither actually.
    >>>>
    >>>> Basically what he said is that a wireless connection offers ONE
    >>>> ADDITIONAL security measure that is not available on a wired
    >>>> connection. That additional measure - encryption - is only necessary
    >>>> becuase a wireless connection is the only one of the two that present
    >>>> an over-the-air security risk. Other than that, security measures are
    >>>> the same for both.
    >>>>
    >>>> -Frank
    >>>>
    >>>> "JimL" <> wrote in message
    >>>> news:hh5fos$rvf$-september.org...
    >>>>> Great thumbnail of wireless security levels. Thanks.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> I have one computer wired to a router port while the other runs
    >>>>> wirelessly. I _THINK_ maybe you said my wired computer must run a
    >>>>> wireless security protocol as well as the wireless computer, even
    >>>>> though no one can drive by my house and tune in wirelessly to my wired
    >>>>> computer. Is that correct?
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Or did you say that a wireless computer can not be secured if there is
    >>>>> a wired computer on the network?
    >>>>>
    >>>>> "Jack [MVP-Networking]" <> wrote in message
    >>>>> news:...
    >>>>>> Hi
    >>>>>> Wireless has one specific security arrangement that is meant to
    >>>>>> secure the Wireless airborne signal and prevent unauthorized log on
    >>>>>> through the Wireless to your Network.
    >>>>>> In addition, all other security measures, like Firewall, AntiVirus,
    >>>>>> etc., have to apply to both the Wire, and the Wireless connection.
    >>>>>> Wireless Connection Security.
    >>>>>> From the weakest to the strongest, Wireless security capacity is.
    >>>>>> No Security
    >>>>>> Switching Off SSID (same has No Security. SSID can be easily sniffed
    >>>>>> even if it is Off)
    >>>>>> MAC Filtering______(Band Aid if nothing else is available, MAC number
    >>>>>> can be easily Spoofed).
    >>>>>> WEP64____(Easy, to "Break" by knowledgeable people).
    >>>>>> WEP128___(A little Harder, but "Hackable" too).
    >>>>>> -------------------
    >>>>>> The three above are Not considered safe.
    >>>>>> Safe Starts here at WPA.
    >>>>>> -------------------
    >>>>>> WPA-PSK__(Very Hard to Break).
    >>>>>> WPA-AES__(Not functionally Breakable)
    >>>>>> WPA2____ (Not functionally Breakable).
    >>>>>> Note 1: WPA-AES the the current entry level rendition of WPA2.
    >>>>>> Note 2: If you use WinXP bellow SP3 and did not updated it, you would
    >>>>>> have to download the WPA2 patch from Microsoft.
    >>>>>> <http://support.microsoft.com/kb/893357>
    >>>>>> The documentation of your Wireless devices (Wireless Router, and
    >>>>>> Wireless Computer's Card) should state the type of security that is
    >>>>>> available with your Wireless hardware.
    >>>>>> All devices MUST be set to the same security level using the same
    >>>>>> pass phrase.
    >>>>>> Therefore the security must be set according what ever is the best
    >>>>>> possible of one of the Wireless devices.
    >>>>>> I.e. even if most of your system might be capable to be configured to
    >>>>>> the max. with WPA2, but one device is only capable to be configured
    >>>>>> to max . of WEP, to whole system must be configured to WEP.
    >>>>>> If you need more good security and one device (like a Wireless card
    >>>>>> that can do WEP only) is holding better security for the whole
    >>>>>> Network, replace the device with a better one.
    >>>>>> Setting Wireless Security -
    >>>>>> http://www.ezlan.net/Wireless_Security.html
    >>>>>> The Core differences between WEP, WPA, and WPA2 -
    >>>>>> http://www.ezlan.net/wpa_wep.html
    >>>>>> Jack (MVP-Networking).
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> "JimL" <> wrote in message
    >>>>>> news:hh3j4m$dec$-september.org...
    >>>>>>> If my 2 computer network is half wired and half wireless, do the
    >>>>>>> same procedures apply for setting up security, or can I apply
    >>>>>>> security only to the wireless side?
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> --
    >>>>>>> For most of us the most danger is most politicians.
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> JimL
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>> --
    >>>>> For most of us the most danger is most politicians.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> JimL
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> --
    >>> For most of us the most danger is most politicians.
    >>>
    >>> JimL
    >>>
    >>>

    >>

    >
    >
    >
    > --
    > For most of us the most danger is most politicians.
    >
    > JimL
    >
    >
    Jack [MVP-Networking], Dec 28, 2009
    #8
  9. JimL

    JimL Guest

    "Frankster" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    >> Back then to my question. Whatever wireless security is, and however
    >> many varieties it comes in

    >
    > Here is your original question...
    >
    > "If my 2 computer network is half wired and half wireless, do the same
    > procedures apply for setting up security, or can I apply security only to
    > the wireless side?"
    >
    > Nowhere in your question was the phrase "wireless security". Just
    > "security".
    >
    > You're welecome for all the help.
    >
    > -Frank
    >



    I quote, "security only to the wireless".

    I call that wireless security.

    --
    For most of us the most danger is most politicians.

    JimL
    JimL, Dec 29, 2009
    #9
  10. JimL

    JimL Guest

    OK, I am taking the phrase "to be done with the Wireles" to mean that I can
    turn on WPA or something on only the wireless side and it will work with the
    wired side that way. I had read several statements saying both computers
    had to be set up identically. Apparently that is not true.

    "Jack [MVP-Networking]" <> wrote in message
    news:O%23unda%...

    > to be done with the Wireles


    > "JimL" <> wrote in message
    > news:hh6uep$jc2$-september.org...
    >> Thanks.
    >>
    >> I see nothing there about having one wired computer and one wireless
    >> computer on a router and how to secure the wireless one.
    >>
    >> "Jack [MVP-Networking]" <> wrote in message
    >> news:...
    >>> Hi
    >>> Please read this, http://www.ezlan.net/faq.html#secure
    >>> Jack (MS, MVP-Networking).
    >>>
    >>> "JimL" <> wrote in message
    >>> news:hh5ucj$ljf$-september.org...
    >>>> If y'all don't mind I'd like to get to my actual question.
    >>>>
    >>>> "can I apply security only to the wireless side?"
    >>>>
    >>>> Perhaps I should reword it.
    >>>>
    >>>> "can I apply security to only the wireless side?"
    >>>>
    >>>> Or:
    >>>>
    >>>> "can I apply security to the wireless side regardless of the wired
    >>>> side?"
    >>>>
    >>>> Or:
    >>>>
    >>>> "can I apply security WITHIN the wireless connection between the router
    >>>> and the wireless computer?"
    >>>>
    >>>> I'm not asking about levels of security or additional security, but
    >>>> ............. the question in my OP.
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> "Frankster" <> wrote in message
    >>>> news:...
    >>>>> If I may... neither actually.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Basically what he said is that a wireless connection offers ONE
    >>>>> ADDITIONAL security measure that is not available on a wired
    >>>>> connection. That additional measure - encryption - is only necessary
    >>>>> becuase a wireless connection is the only one of the two that present
    >>>>> an over-the-air security risk. Other than that, security measures are
    >>>>> the same for both.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> -Frank
    >>>>>
    >>>>> "JimL" <> wrote in message
    >>>>> news:hh5fos$rvf$-september.org...
    >>>>>> Great thumbnail of wireless security levels. Thanks.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> I have one computer wired to a router port while the other runs
    >>>>>> wirelessly. I _THINK_ maybe you said my wired computer must run a
    >>>>>> wireless security protocol as well as the wireless computer, even
    >>>>>> though no one can drive by my house and tune in wirelessly to my
    >>>>>> wired computer. Is that correct?
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> Or did you say that a wireless computer can not be secured if there
    >>>>>> is a wired computer on the network?
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> "Jack [MVP-Networking]" <> wrote in message
    >>>>>> news:...
    >>>>>>> Hi
    >>>>>>> Wireless has one specific security arrangement that is meant to
    >>>>>>> secure the Wireless airborne signal and prevent unauthorized log on
    >>>>>>> through the Wireless to your Network.
    >>>>>>> In addition, all other security measures, like Firewall, AntiVirus,
    >>>>>>> etc., have to apply to both the Wire, and the Wireless connection.
    >>>>>>> Wireless Connection Security.
    >>>>>>> From the weakest to the strongest, Wireless security capacity is.
    >>>>>>> No Security
    >>>>>>> Switching Off SSID (same has No Security. SSID can be easily sniffed
    >>>>>>> even if it is Off)
    >>>>>>> MAC Filtering______(Band Aid if nothing else is available, MAC
    >>>>>>> number can be easily Spoofed).
    >>>>>>> WEP64____(Easy, to "Break" by knowledgeable people).
    >>>>>>> WEP128___(A little Harder, but "Hackable" too).
    >>>>>>> -------------------
    >>>>>>> The three above are Not considered safe.
    >>>>>>> Safe Starts here at WPA.
    >>>>>>> -------------------
    >>>>>>> WPA-PSK__(Very Hard to Break).
    >>>>>>> WPA-AES__(Not functionally Breakable)
    >>>>>>> WPA2____ (Not functionally Breakable).
    >>>>>>> Note 1: WPA-AES the the current entry level rendition of WPA2.
    >>>>>>> Note 2: If you use WinXP bellow SP3 and did not updated it, you
    >>>>>>> would have to download the WPA2 patch from Microsoft.
    >>>>>>> <http://support.microsoft.com/kb/893357>
    >>>>>>> The documentation of your Wireless devices (Wireless Router, and
    >>>>>>> Wireless Computer's Card) should state the type of security that is
    >>>>>>> available with your Wireless hardware.
    >>>>>>> All devices MUST be set to the same security level using the same
    >>>>>>> pass phrase.
    >>>>>>> Therefore the security must be set according what ever is the best
    >>>>>>> possible of one of the Wireless devices.
    >>>>>>> I.e. even if most of your system might be capable to be configured
    >>>>>>> to the max. with WPA2, but one device is only capable to be
    >>>>>>> configured to max . of WEP, to whole system must be configured to
    >>>>>>> WEP.
    >>>>>>> If you need more good security and one device (like a Wireless card
    >>>>>>> that can do WEP only) is holding better security for the whole
    >>>>>>> Network, replace the device with a better one.
    >>>>>>> Setting Wireless Security -
    >>>>>>> http://www.ezlan.net/Wireless_Security.html
    >>>>>>> The Core differences between WEP, WPA, and WPA2 -
    >>>>>>> http://www.ezlan.net/wpa_wep.html
    >>>>>>> Jack (MVP-Networking).
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> "JimL" <> wrote in message
    >>>>>>> news:hh3j4m$dec$-september.org...
    >>>>>>>> If my 2 computer network is half wired and half wireless, do the
    >>>>>>>> same procedures apply for setting up security, or can I apply
    >>>>>>>> security only to the wireless side?
    >>>>>>>>



    --
    For most of us the most danger is most politicians.

    JimL
    JimL, Dec 29, 2009
    #10
  11. JimL

    JimL Guest

    OK, I booted up the computer that is on wireless, went to 192.168.1.1
    (router) and turned on WPA Personal and my wireless connection instantly
    vanished. Upon clicking any icon that previously led to the wired computer
    the error says that computer is not accessable and "The network path was not
    found."

    I went back to the browser and selected 192.168.1.1 again to turn the
    security off. I get an error saying, "Unable to connect," and "Internet
    connection does not seem to be working." Of course by trying 192.168.1.1 I
    was not seeking the internet.

    It seems that asking if I could do this before jumping into it was totally
    useless. I now have no connection between the computers, the wireless
    connected computer now has no internet connection.

    After some sort of delay I was able to get into 192.168.1.1 on the wired
    computer and, after trying WPA2 Personal with the same results, turn off the
    security and now I have networking again but no wireless security.

    This is EXACTLY what I was afraid would happen, which is why I asked about
    doing in the first place. It seems that asking if I could secure the
    wireless connection only was totally useless. Securing the wireless end of
    this two computer network is plainly impossible.

    Thanks

    "Jack [MVP-Networking]" <> wrote in message
    news:O%23unda%...

    > My post from the 25th explains the Wireless security.
    > That is what is needed to be done with the Wireless regardless of whether
    > you have (or do not have) a wire connection too.



    > "JimL" <> wrote in message
    > news:hh6uep$jc2$-september.org...
    >> Thanks.
    >>
    >> I see nothing there about having one wired computer and one wireless
    >> computer on a router and how to secure the wireless one.
    >>
    >> "Jack [MVP-Networking]" <> wrote in message
    >> news:...
    >>> Hi
    >>> Please read this, http://www.ezlan.net/faq.html#secure
    >>> Jack (MS, MVP-Networking).
    >>>
    >>> "JimL" <> wrote in message
    >>> news:hh5ucj$ljf$-september.org...
    >>>> If y'all don't mind I'd like to get to my actual question.
    >>>>
    >>>> "can I apply security only to the wireless side?"
    >>>>
    >>>> Perhaps I should reword it.
    >>>>
    >>>> "can I apply security to only the wireless side?"
    >>>>
    >>>> Or:
    >>>>
    >>>> "can I apply security to the wireless side regardless of the wired
    >>>> side?"
    >>>>
    >>>> Or:
    >>>>
    >>>> "can I apply security WITHIN the wireless connection between the router
    >>>> and the wireless computer?"
    >>>>
    >>>> I'm not asking about levels of security or additional security, but
    >>>> ............. the question in my OP.
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> "Frankster" <> wrote in message
    >>>> news:...
    >>>>> If I may... neither actually.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Basically what he said is that a wireless connection offers ONE
    >>>>> ADDITIONAL security measure that is not available on a wired
    >>>>> connection. That additional measure - encryption - is only necessary
    >>>>> becuase a wireless connection is the only one of the two that present
    >>>>> an over-the-air security risk. Other than that, security measures are
    >>>>> the same for both.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> -Frank
    >>>>>
    >>>>> "JimL" <> wrote in message
    >>>>> news:hh5fos$rvf$-september.org...
    >>>>>> Great thumbnail of wireless security levels. Thanks.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> I have one computer wired to a router port while the other runs
    >>>>>> wirelessly. I _THINK_ maybe you said my wired computer must run a
    >>>>>> wireless security protocol as well as the wireless computer, even
    >>>>>> though no one can drive by my house and tune in wirelessly to my
    >>>>>> wired computer. Is that correct?
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> Or did you say that a wireless computer can not be secured if there
    >>>>>> is a wired computer on the network?
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> "Jack [MVP-Networking]" <> wrote in message
    >>>>>> news:...
    >>>>>>> Hi
    >>>>>>> Wireless has one specific security arrangement that is meant to
    >>>>>>> secure the Wireless airborne signal and prevent unauthorized log on
    >>>>>>> through the Wireless to your Network.
    >>>>>>> In addition, all other security measures, like Firewall, AntiVirus,
    >>>>>>> etc., have to apply to both the Wire, and the Wireless connection.
    >>>>>>> Wireless Connection Security.
    >>>>>>> From the weakest to the strongest, Wireless security capacity is.
    >>>>>>> No Security
    >>>>>>> Switching Off SSID (same has No Security. SSID can be easily sniffed
    >>>>>>> even if it is Off)
    >>>>>>> MAC Filtering______(Band Aid if nothing else is available, MAC
    >>>>>>> number can be easily Spoofed).
    >>>>>>> WEP64____(Easy, to "Break" by knowledgeable people).
    >>>>>>> WEP128___(A little Harder, but "Hackable" too).
    >>>>>>> -------------------
    >>>>>>> The three above are Not considered safe.
    >>>>>>> Safe Starts here at WPA.
    >>>>>>> -------------------
    >>>>>>> WPA-PSK__(Very Hard to Break).
    >>>>>>> WPA-AES__(Not functionally Breakable)
    >>>>>>> WPA2____ (Not functionally Breakable).
    >>>>>>> Note 1: WPA-AES the the current entry level rendition of WPA2.
    >>>>>>> Note 2: If you use WinXP bellow SP3 and did not updated it, you
    >>>>>>> would have to download the WPA2 patch from Microsoft.
    >>>>>>> <http://support.microsoft.com/kb/893357>
    >>>>>>> The documentation of your Wireless devices (Wireless Router, and
    >>>>>>> Wireless Computer's Card) should state the type of security that is
    >>>>>>> available with your Wireless hardware.
    >>>>>>> All devices MUST be set to the same security level using the same
    >>>>>>> pass phrase.
    >>>>>>> Therefore the security must be set according what ever is the best
    >>>>>>> possible of one of the Wireless devices.
    >>>>>>> I.e. even if most of your system might be capable to be configured
    >>>>>>> to the max. with WPA2, but one device is only capable to be
    >>>>>>> configured to max . of WEP, to whole system must be configured to
    >>>>>>> WEP.
    >>>>>>> If you need more good security and one device (like a Wireless card
    >>>>>>> that can do WEP only) is holding better security for the whole
    >>>>>>> Network, replace the device with a better one.
    >>>>>>> Setting Wireless Security -
    >>>>>>> http://www.ezlan.net/Wireless_Security.html
    >>>>>>> The Core differences between WEP, WPA, and WPA2 -
    >>>>>>> http://www.ezlan.net/wpa_wep.html
    >>>>>>> Jack (MVP-Networking).
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> "JimL" <> wrote in message
    >>>>>>> news:hh3j4m$dec$-september.org...
    >>>>>>>> If my 2 computer network is half wired and half wireless, do the
    >>>>>>>> same procedures apply for setting up security, or can I apply
    >>>>>>>> security only to the wireless side?
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> --
    >>>>>>>> For most of us the most danger is most politicians.
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> JimL
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> --
    >>>>>> For most of us the most danger is most politicians.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> JimL
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> --
    >>>> For most of us the most danger is most politicians.
    >>>>
    >>>> JimL
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>

    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> --
    >> For most of us the most danger is most politicians.
    >>
    >> JimL
    >>
    >>

    >




    --
    For most of us the most danger is most politicians.

    JimL
    JimL, Dec 30, 2009
    #11
  12. JimL

    JimL Guest

    "Frankster" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    >> It seems that asking if I could secure the wireless connection only was
    >> totally useless. Securing the wireless end of this two computer network
    >> is plainly impossible.

    >
    > Thanks for the update.
    >
    > -Frank



    You're very welcome.

    Thanks for sidestepping my question.

    --
    For most of us the most danger is most politicians.

    JimL
    JimL, Dec 31, 2009
    #12
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