# Gravity (theory)

Discussion in 'Computer Support' started by philo, Aug 14, 2005.

1. ### philoGuest

Even though I may be a hopeless nutcase...I had a serious idea about a
year ago...so I thought I'd toss it out here.

It concerns gravity and the elusive search for the "graviton".

I always figured it was some type of really *dumb* idea.

Then it occured to me what gravity really is:

We are *not* pulled toward massive objects...
we are *pushed* !

If I jump up into the air...
the earth does not pull me toward it...
merely the billions of particles traveling thru the universe
(most of which we have not even detected) merely *push* me back toward
the earth.

Since the particles travel uniformly in all directions...
were one out in space far away from any massive object...
the net force would be zero...

But near the surface of the earth... the huge mass of the earth would
block those *pushing* from the other side...and thus my body would be
pushed
back to the earth.

BTW: when the genious awards are passed out...
I want to receive full credit...so will now sign off using my full
pseudonym.

Philo T. Ogden

philo, Aug 14, 2005

2. ### MaybeGuest

philo wrote:
> Even though I may be a hopeless nutcase...I had a serious idea about a
> year ago...so I thought I'd toss it out here.
>
> It concerns gravity and the elusive search for the "graviton".
>
> I always figured it was some type of really *dumb* idea.
>
> Then it occured to me what gravity really is:
>
> We are *not* pulled toward massive objects...
> we are *pushed* !
>
> If I jump up into the air...
> the earth does not pull me toward it...
> merely the billions of particles traveling thru the universe
> (most of which we have not even detected) merely *push* me back toward
> the earth.
>
> Since the particles travel uniformly in all directions...
> were one out in space far away from any massive object...
> the net force would be zero...
>
> But near the surface of the earth... the huge mass of the earth would
> block those *pushing* from the other side...and thus my body would be
> pushed
> back to the earth.
>
> Think about it...
>
> BTW: when the genious awards are passed out...
> I want to receive full credit...so will now sign off using my full
> pseudonym.
>
>
> Philo T. Ogden

You're absolutely correct! I.e.,you're *absolutely* a hopeless nutcase.

Maybe, Aug 14, 2005

3. ### philoGuest

<snip>
>
> You're absolutely correct! I.e.,you're *absolutely* a hopeless nutcase.

yeah...that's what i was afraid of

philo, Aug 14, 2005
4. ### philoGuest

aleX wrote:
> philo wrote:
>
>> Even though I may be a hopeless nutcase...I had a serious idea about a
>> year ago...so I thought I'd toss it out here.
>>
>> It concerns gravity and the elusive search for the "graviton".
>>
>> I always figured it was some type of really *dumb* idea.
>>
>> Then it occured to me what gravity really is:
>>
>> We are *not* pulled toward massive objects...
>> we are *pushed* !
>>
>> If I jump up into the air...
>> the earth does not pull me toward it...
>> merely the billions of particles traveling thru the universe
>> (most of which we have not even detected) merely *push* me back toward
>> the earth.
>>
>> Since the particles travel uniformly in all directions...
>> were one out in space far away from any massive object...
>> the net force would be zero...
>>
>> But near the surface of the earth... the huge mass of the earth would
>> block those *pushing* from the other side...and thus my body would be
>> pushed
>> back to the earth.
>>
>> Think about it...
>>
>> BTW: when the genious awards are passed out...
>> I want to receive full credit...so will now sign off using my full
>> pseudonym.
>>
>>
>> Philo T. Ogden

>
>
> Interesting (a lovely ambiguous word that!)
>
> Reminds me of the theory that I read about where if you could build a
> big enough telescope you could look back at the earth and see its past
> history.
>

<snip>

aah...glad to see there are other "nutty" folks out there

btw: my signature above is my *real* pseudonym...(it's not one of those
fake ones)

philo, Aug 14, 2005
5. ### aleXGuest

philo wrote:
> Even though I may be a hopeless nutcase...I had a serious idea about a
> year ago...so I thought I'd toss it out here.
>
> It concerns gravity and the elusive search for the "graviton".
>
> I always figured it was some type of really *dumb* idea.
>
> Then it occured to me what gravity really is:
>
> We are *not* pulled toward massive objects...
> we are *pushed* !
>
> If I jump up into the air...
> the earth does not pull me toward it...
> merely the billions of particles traveling thru the universe
> (most of which we have not even detected) merely *push* me back toward
> the earth.
>
> Since the particles travel uniformly in all directions...
> were one out in space far away from any massive object...
> the net force would be zero...
>
> But near the surface of the earth... the huge mass of the earth would
> block those *pushing* from the other side...and thus my body would be
> pushed
> back to the earth.
>
> Think about it...
>
> BTW: when the genious awards are passed out...
> I want to receive full credit...so will now sign off using my full
> pseudonym.
>
>
> Philo T. Ogden

Interesting (a lovely ambiguous word that!)

Reminds me of the theory that I read about where if you could build a
big enough telescope you could look back at the earth and see its past
history.

Photons hit the earth and are reflected back into space, some of which
are deflected on their paths when affected by the gravitation of other
planets/stars. If they are subsequently deflected enough times then
eventually they may start heading back to earth. That's when you need
your big telescope. Capture the photons, do a bit of supercomputer image
analysis and voila! Similar theory using a radio telescope.

Someone will spoil it now by saying you need a telescope the size of the
milky way galaxy. Not my theory by the way, but interesting. There may
be hope yet for recovering those lost Dr Who episodes!

aleX, Aug 14, 2005
6. ### =?ISO-8859-1?Q?R=F4g=EAr?=Guest

philo wrote:
> Even though I may be a hopeless nutcase...I had a serious idea about a
> year ago...so I thought I'd toss it out here.
>
> It concerns gravity and the elusive search for the "graviton".
>
> I always figured it was some type of really *dumb* idea.
>
> Then it occured to me what gravity really is:
>
> We are *not* pulled toward massive objects...
> we are *pushed* !
>
> If I jump up into the air...
> the earth does not pull me toward it...
> merely the billions of particles traveling thru the universe
> (most of which we have not even detected) merely *push* me back toward
> the earth.
>
> Since the particles travel uniformly in all directions...
> were one out in space far away from any massive object...
> the net force would be zero...
>
> But near the surface of the earth... the huge mass of the earth would
> block those *pushing* from the other side...and thus my body would be
> pushed
> back to the earth.
>
> Think about it...
>
> BTW: when the genious awards are passed out...
> I want to receive full credit...so will now sign off using my full
> pseudonym.
>
>
> Philo T. Ogden

Not bad. Just get a jar and fill it with gravitons and submit them to
the American Scientist people. Maybe you can explain another one for me.
Light appears to be traveling at 186,000 miles per second. That's
regardless of how fast you are traveling, relative your observance,
light still appears to be traveling at 186,000 miles per second. What if
I were traveling at 185,000 miles per second? According to scientists,
it would still appear to be traveling at the same speed. But if I'm
traveling at 185,000 miles per second and light appears to be 186,000
miles per second, wouldn't it be breaking one of the basic tenets that
nothing can travel faster than the speed of light?

=?ISO-8859-1?Q?R=F4g=EAr?=, Aug 14, 2005
7. ### Old GringoGuest

philo wrote:
> Even though I may be a hopeless nutcase...I had a serious idea about a
> year ago...so I thought I'd toss it out here.
>
> It concerns gravity and the elusive search for the "graviton".
>
> I always figured it was some type of really *dumb* idea.
>
> Then it occured to me what gravity really is:
>
> We are *not* pulled toward massive objects...
> we are *pushed* !
>
> If I jump up into the air...
> the earth does not pull me toward it...
> merely the billions of particles traveling thru the universe
> (most of which we have not even detected) merely *push* me back toward
> the earth.
>
> Since the particles travel uniformly in all directions...
> were one out in space far away from any massive object...
> the net force would be zero...
>
> But near the surface of the earth... the huge mass of the earth would
> block those *pushing* from the other side...and thus my body would be
> pushed
> back to the earth.
>
> Think about it...
>
> BTW: when the genious awards are passed out...
> I want to receive full credit...so will now sign off using my full
> pseudonym.
>
>
> Philo T. Ogden

The first guy got hit in the head with an apple, and you??

--
Old Gringo George
Magic Weaver Of Life
Enjoy Life And Live It To Its Fullest
Freedom For The World <http://www.nuboy-Industries.com>

Old Gringo, Aug 14, 2005
8. ### philoGuest

Rôgêr wrote:
> philo wrote:
>
>> Even though I may be a hopeless nutcase...I had a serious idea about a
>> year ago...so I thought I'd toss it out here.
>>
>> It concerns gravity and the elusive search for the "graviton".
>>
>> I always figured it was some type of really *dumb* idea.
>>
>> Then it occured to me what gravity really is:
>>
>> We are *not* pulled toward massive objects...
>> we are *pushed* !
>>
>> If I jump up into the air...
>> the earth does not pull me toward it...
>> merely the billions of particles traveling thru the universe
>> (most of which we have not even detected) merely *push* me back toward
>> the earth.
>>
>> Since the particles travel uniformly in all directions...
>> were one out in space far away from any massive object...
>> the net force would be zero...
>>
>> But near the surface of the earth... the huge mass of the earth would
>> block those *pushing* from the other side...and thus my body would be
>> pushed
>> back to the earth.
>>
>> Think about it...
>>
>> BTW: when the genious awards are passed out...
>> I want to receive full credit...so will now sign off using my full
>> pseudonym.
>>
>>
>> Philo T. Ogden

>
>
> Not bad. Just get a jar and fill it with gravitons and submit them to
> the American Scientist people. Maybe you can explain another one for me.
> Light appears to be traveling at 186,000 miles per second. That's
> regardless of how fast you are traveling, relative your observance,
> light still appears to be traveling at 186,000 miles per second. What if
> I were traveling at 185,000 miles per second? According to scientists,
> it would still appear to be traveling at the same speed. But if I'm
> traveling at 185,000 miles per second and light appears to be 186,000
> miles per second, wouldn't it be breaking one of the basic tenets that
> nothing can travel faster than the speed of light?

yes...
that never seemed too clear to me either.
i know einstein is wrong...
in that all theories are at a later time "improved"
but it's not going to be me who discovers where he was wrong!

philo, Aug 14, 2005
9. ### =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Brian_H=B9=A9?=Guest

aleX wrote:
> philo wrote:
>
>> Even though I may be a hopeless nutcase...I had a serious idea about a
>> year ago...so I thought I'd toss it out here.
>>
>> It concerns gravity and the elusive search for the "graviton".
>>
>> I always figured it was some type of really *dumb* idea.
>>
>> Then it occured to me what gravity really is:
>>
>> We are *not* pulled toward massive objects...
>> we are *pushed* !
>>
>> If I jump up into the air...
>> the earth does not pull me toward it...
>> merely the billions of particles traveling thru the universe
>> (most of which we have not even detected) merely *push* me back toward
>> the earth.
>>
>> Since the particles travel uniformly in all directions...
>> were one out in space far away from any massive object...
>> the net force would be zero...
>>
>> But near the surface of the earth... the huge mass of the earth would
>> block those *pushing* from the other side...and thus my body would be
>> pushed
>> back to the earth.
>>
>> Think about it...
>>
>> BTW: when the genious awards are passed out...
>> I want to receive full credit...so will now sign off using my full
>> pseudonym.
>>
>>
>> Philo T. Ogden

>
>
> Interesting (a lovely ambiguous word that!)
>
> Reminds me of the theory that I read about where if you could build a
> big enough telescope you could look back at the earth and see its past
> history.
>
> Photons hit the earth and are reflected back into space, some of which
> are deflected on their paths when affected by the gravitation of other
> planets/stars. If they are subsequently deflected enough times then
> eventually they may start heading back to earth. That's when you need
> your big telescope. Capture the photons, do a bit of supercomputer image
> analysis and voila! Similar theory using a radio telescope.
>
> Someone will spoil it now by saying you need a telescope the size of the
> milky way galaxy. Not my theory by the way, but interesting. There may
> be hope yet for recovering those lost Dr Who episodes!

Pff, Hollywood have been able to do it for years.

=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Brian_H=B9=A9?=, Aug 14, 2005
10. ### D@ZGuest

if you were to build a ship that could travel the speed of light what would
happen if you turned the headlights on???

"Old Gringo" <> wrote in message
news:6wKLe.86\$...
> philo wrote:
>> Even though I may be a hopeless nutcase...I had a serious idea about a
>> year ago...so I thought I'd toss it out here.
>>
>> It concerns gravity and the elusive search for the "graviton".
>>
>> I always figured it was some type of really *dumb* idea.
>>
>> Then it occured to me what gravity really is:
>>
>> We are *not* pulled toward massive objects...
>> we are *pushed* !
>>
>> If I jump up into the air...
>> the earth does not pull me toward it...
>> merely the billions of particles traveling thru the universe
>> (most of which we have not even detected) merely *push* me back toward
>> the earth.
>>
>> Since the particles travel uniformly in all directions...
>> were one out in space far away from any massive object...
>> the net force would be zero...
>>
>> But near the surface of the earth... the huge mass of the earth would
>> block those *pushing* from the other side...and thus my body would be
>> pushed
>> back to the earth.
>>
>> Think about it...
>>
>> BTW: when the genious awards are passed out...
>> I want to receive full credit...so will now sign off using my full
>> pseudonym.
>>
>>
>> Philo T. Ogden

> The first guy got hit in the head with an apple, and you??
>
> --
> Old Gringo George
> Magic Weaver Of Life
> Enjoy Life And Live It To Its Fullest
> Freedom For The World <http://www.nuboy-Industries.com>

D@Z, Aug 14, 2005
11. ### Old GringoGuest

D@Z wrote:
> if you were to build a ship that could travel the speed of light what would
> happen if you turned the headlights on???
>
>
>
> "Old Gringo" <> wrote in message
> news:6wKLe.86\$...
>
>>philo wrote:
>>
>>>Even though I may be a hopeless nutcase...I had a serious idea about a
>>>year ago...so I thought I'd toss it out here.
>>>
>>>It concerns gravity and the elusive search for the "graviton".
>>>
>>>I always figured it was some type of really *dumb* idea.
>>>
>>>Then it occured to me what gravity really is:
>>>
>>>We are *not* pulled toward massive objects...
>>>we are *pushed* !
>>>
>>>If I jump up into the air...
>>>the earth does not pull me toward it...
>>>merely the billions of particles traveling thru the universe
>>>(most of which we have not even detected) merely *push* me back toward
>>>the earth.
>>>
>>>Since the particles travel uniformly in all directions...
>>>were one out in space far away from any massive object...
>>>the net force would be zero...
>>>
>>>But near the surface of the earth... the huge mass of the earth would
>>>block those *pushing* from the other side...and thus my body would be
>>>pushed
>>>back to the earth.
>>>
>>>
>>>BTW: when the genious awards are passed out...
>>>I want to receive full credit...so will now sign off using my full
>>>pseudonym.
>>>
>>>
>>>Philo T. Ogden

>>
>>The first guy got hit in the head with an apple, and you??
>>
>>--
>>Old Gringo George
>>Magic Weaver Of Life
>>Enjoy Life And Live It To Its Fullest
>>Freedom For The World <http://www.nuboy-Industries.com>

>
>
>

I suppose it would be like blowing the horn at the speed of sound.

--
Old Gringo George
Magic Weaver Of Life
Enjoy Life And Live It To Its Fullest
Freedom For The World <http://www.nuboy-Industries.com>

Old Gringo, Aug 14, 2005
12. ### Old GringoGuest

D@Z wrote:
> if you were to build a ship that could travel the speed of light what would
> happen if you turned the headlights on???
>
>
>
> "Old Gringo" <> wrote in message
> news:6wKLe.86\$...
>
>>philo wrote:
>>
>>>Even though I may be a hopeless nutcase...I had a serious idea about a
>>>year ago...so I thought I'd toss it out here.
>>>
>>>It concerns gravity and the elusive search for the "graviton".
>>>
>>>I always figured it was some type of really *dumb* idea.
>>>
>>>Then it occured to me what gravity really is:
>>>
>>>We are *not* pulled toward massive objects...
>>>we are *pushed* !
>>>
>>>If I jump up into the air...
>>>the earth does not pull me toward it...
>>>merely the billions of particles traveling thru the universe
>>>(most of which we have not even detected) merely *push* me back toward
>>>the earth.
>>>
>>>Since the particles travel uniformly in all directions...
>>>were one out in space far away from any massive object...
>>>the net force would be zero...
>>>
>>>But near the surface of the earth... the huge mass of the earth would
>>>block those *pushing* from the other side...and thus my body would be
>>>pushed
>>>back to the earth.
>>>
>>>
>>>BTW: when the genious awards are passed out...
>>>I want to receive full credit...so will now sign off using my full
>>>pseudonym.
>>>
>>>
>>>Philo T. Ogden

>>
>>The first guy got hit in the head with an apple, and you??
>>
>>--
>>Old Gringo George
>>Magic Weaver Of Life
>>Enjoy Life And Live It To Its Fullest
>>Freedom For The World <http://www.nuboy-Industries.com>

>
>
>

PS: At the speed of light you are not going to see much with or

--
Old Gringo George
Magic Weaver Of Life
Enjoy Life And Live It To Its Fullest
Freedom For The World <http://www.nuboy-Industries.com>

Old Gringo, Aug 14, 2005
13. ### philoGuest

<snip>
>
> The first guy got hit in the head with an apple, and you??
>

it took more than an apple to cause my brain to get like this...

prob. a large rock!!!

philo, Aug 14, 2005
14. ### why?Guest

On Sun, 14 Aug 2005 11:02:31 -0500, philo wrote:

>Even though I may be a hopeless nutcase...I had a serious idea about a
>year ago...so I thought I'd toss it out here.
>
>It concerns gravity and the elusive search for the "graviton".
>
>I always figured it was some type of really *dumb* idea.
>
>Then it occured to me what gravity really is:

<snip>

My vote is the nutcase.

Me

why?, Aug 14, 2005
15. ### old jonGuest

"philo" <> wrote in message
news:...
> Even though I may be a hopeless nutcase...I had a serious idea about a
> year ago...so I thought I'd toss it out here.
>
> It concerns gravity and the elusive search for the "graviton".
>
> I always figured it was some type of really *dumb* idea.
>
> Then it occured to me what gravity really is:
>
> We are *not* pulled toward massive objects...
> we are *pushed* !
>
> If I jump up into the air...
> the earth does not pull me toward it...
> merely the billions of particles traveling thru the universe
> (most of which we have not even detected) merely *push* me back toward the
> earth.
>
> Since the particles travel uniformly in all directions...
> were one out in space far away from any massive object...
> the net force would be zero...
>
> But near the surface of the earth... the huge mass of the earth would
> block those *pushing* from the other side...and thus my body would be
> pushed
> back to the earth.
>
> Think about it...
>
> BTW: when the genious awards are passed out...
> I want to receive full credit...so will now sign off using my full
> pseudonym.
>
> Philo T. Ogden
>

I like it a lot. <g>.There`s no such a thing as Pull you know, it`s always
Push. Consider this: Wrap your fingers half way round, say, a buggy handle.
Apply pressure with your fingers to that opposite side, and voila , the
buggy moves toward you. You`re actually Pushing the buggy towards yourself.
I`m as bloody mad as you are. <g>.
bw..OJ

old jon, Aug 14, 2005
16. ### Dennis TurnerGuest

On 8/14/2005 11:33 AM or thereabouts, philo appears, somewhat
unbelievably, to have opined:

> aleX wrote:
>
>> philo wrote:
>>
>>> Even though I may be a hopeless nutcase...I had a serious idea about
>>> a year ago...so I thought I'd toss it out here.
>>>
>>> It concerns gravity and the elusive search for the "graviton".
>>>
>>> I always figured it was some type of really *dumb* idea.
>>>
>>> Then it occured to me what gravity really is:
>>>
>>> We are *not* pulled toward massive objects...
>>> we are *pushed* !
>>>
>>> If I jump up into the air...
>>> the earth does not pull me toward it...
>>> merely the billions of particles traveling thru the universe
>>> (most of which we have not even detected) merely *push* me back
>>> toward the earth.
>>>
>>> Since the particles travel uniformly in all directions...
>>> were one out in space far away from any massive object...
>>> the net force would be zero...
>>>
>>> But near the surface of the earth... the huge mass of the earth would
>>> block those *pushing* from the other side...and thus my body would
>>> be pushed
>>> back to the earth.
>>>
>>> Think about it...
>>>
>>> BTW: when the genious awards are passed out...
>>> I want to receive full credit...so will now sign off using my full
>>> pseudonym.
>>>
>>>
>>> Philo T. Ogden

>>
>>
>>
>> Interesting (a lovely ambiguous word that!)
>>
>> Reminds me of the theory that I read about where if you could build a
>> big enough telescope you could look back at the earth and see its past
>> history.
>>

>
> <snip>
>
> aah...glad to see there are other "nutty" folks out there
>
> btw: my signature above is my *real* pseudonym...(it's not one of those
> fake ones)

"Real pseudonym" . . . interesting.

--
As a child, my parents thought I was an idiot-savant.
Now, however, it is rather clear that I'm simply an idiot.

Dennis Turner, Aug 14, 2005
17. ### D@ZGuest

does that go for magnetism too?

"old jon" <> wrote in message
news:xBLLe.9361\$...
>
> "philo" <> wrote in message
> news:...
>> Even though I may be a hopeless nutcase...I had a serious idea about a
>> year ago...so I thought I'd toss it out here.
>>
>> It concerns gravity and the elusive search for the "graviton".
>>
>> I always figured it was some type of really *dumb* idea.
>>
>> Then it occured to me what gravity really is:
>>
>> We are *not* pulled toward massive objects...
>> we are *pushed* !
>>
>> If I jump up into the air...
>> the earth does not pull me toward it...
>> merely the billions of particles traveling thru the universe
>> (most of which we have not even detected) merely *push* me back toward
>> the earth.
>>
>> Since the particles travel uniformly in all directions...
>> were one out in space far away from any massive object...
>> the net force would be zero...
>>
>> But near the surface of the earth... the huge mass of the earth would
>> block those *pushing* from the other side...and thus my body would be
>> pushed
>> back to the earth.
>>
>> Think about it...
>>
>> BTW: when the genious awards are passed out...
>> I want to receive full credit...so will now sign off using my full
>> pseudonym.
>>
>> Philo T. Ogden
>>

> I like it a lot. <g>.There`s no such a thing as Pull you know, it`s always
> Push. Consider this: Wrap your fingers half way round, say, a buggy
> handle. Apply pressure with your fingers to that opposite side, and voila
> , the buggy moves toward you. You`re actually Pushing the buggy towards
> yourself.
> I`m as bloody mad as you are. <g>.
> bw..OJ
>
>

D@Z, Aug 14, 2005
18. ### Guest

philo <> wrote:

|>Even though I may be a hopeless nutcase...I had a serious idea about a
|>year ago...so I thought I'd toss it out here.
|>
|>It concerns gravity and the elusive search for the "graviton"

There is no such thing as gravity, the earth just sucks.

--

, Aug 14, 2005
19. ### Old GringoGuest

philo wrote:
> <snip>
>
>>
>> The first guy got hit in the head with an apple, and you??
>>

>
> it took more than an apple to cause my brain to get like this...
>
> prob. a large rock!!!

LOL All in fun.

--
Old Gringo George
Magic Weaver Of Life
Enjoy Life And Live It To Its Fullest
Freedom For The World <http://www.nuboy-Industries.com>

Old Gringo, Aug 14, 2005
20. ### 7Guest

philo wrote:

> Even though I may be a hopeless nutcase...I had a serious idea about a
> year ago...so I thought I'd toss it out here.
>
> It concerns gravity and the elusive search for the "graviton".
>
> I always figured it was some type of really *dumb* idea.
>
> Then it occured to me what gravity really is:
>
> We are *not* pulled toward massive objects...
> we are *pushed* !
>
> If I jump up into the air...
> the earth does not pull me toward it...
> merely the billions of particles traveling thru the universe
> (most of which we have not even detected) merely *push* me back toward
> the earth.
>
> Since the particles travel uniformly in all directions...
> were one out in space far away from any massive object...
> the net force would be zero...
>
> But near the surface of the earth... the huge mass of the earth would
> block those *pushing* from the other side...and thus my body would be
> pushed
> back to the earth.
>
> Think about it...

Does not compute.
Earth goes around the Sun, and Sun is a few billion miles
away and it can't block anything to the sort of accuracies
you would need to make Earth remain in orbit around the Sun.

7, Aug 14, 2005