Graphics card recommendations

Discussion in 'NZ Computing' started by Nicholas Sherlock, Nov 30, 2004.

  1. Hey all,

    I'm looking to spend ~$300 on a new graphics card. It should have TV out
    and DVI, and be AGP. Apart from that, I'm just after good gaming
    performance. What can people recommend? The Radeon 9800 is ~$100 more
    expensive than the 9600 pro... is the difference in spec worth $100? My
    system is a 1.5ghz Athlon XP, soon to have 512mb of RAM.. can I use
    these cards to their full potential?

    Cheers,
    Nicholas Sherlock
     
    Nicholas Sherlock, Nov 30, 2004
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  2. Nicholas Sherlock

    # Guest

    On Tue, 30 Nov 2004 19:02:04 +1300, Nicholas Sherlock wrote:

    > Hey all,
    >
    > I'm looking to spend ~$300 on a new graphics card. It should have TV out
    > and DVI, and be AGP. Apart from that, I'm just after good gaming
    > performance. What can people recommend? The Radeon 9800 is ~$100 more
    > expensive than the 9600 pro... is the difference in spec worth $100? My
    > system is a 1.5ghz Athlon XP, soon to have 512mb of RAM.. can I use
    > these cards to their full potential?


    If you're looking at the 9600pro, I would recommend that you make sure it
    is a 400MHz/600MHz model preferably with 2.8ns DDR (ie Gigabyte
    GV-R96P128DH or similar). I've noticed a few (particularly GeCube "Encore")
    which are rated at a lower spec while being marketed as 9600pro's, and for
    the minor difference in price, the full version offers better performance.
     
    #, Nov 30, 2004
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  3. Nicholas Sherlock

    JohnO Guest

    "#" <> wrote in message
    news:8wiciduv8pmh.1wxc6njs75dsb$...
    > On Tue, 30 Nov 2004 19:02:04 +1300, Nicholas Sherlock wrote:
    >
    >> Hey all,
    >>
    >> I'm looking to spend ~$300 on a new graphics card. It should have TV out
    >> and DVI, and be AGP. Apart from that, I'm just after good gaming
    >> performance. What can people recommend? The Radeon 9800 is ~$100 more
    >> expensive than the 9600 pro... is the difference in spec worth $100? My
    >> system is a 1.5ghz Athlon XP, soon to have 512mb of RAM.. can I use
    >> these cards to their full potential?

    >
    > If you're looking at the 9600pro, I would recommend that you make sure it
    > is a 400MHz/600MHz model preferably with 2.8ns DDR (ie Gigabyte
    > GV-R96P128DH or similar). I've noticed a few (particularly GeCube
    > "Encore")
    > which are rated at a lower spec while being marketed as 9600pro's, and for
    > the minor difference in price, the full version offers better performance.


    And make sure you get a card with a 256 bit memory interface, not 128 bit.
     
    JohnO, Nov 30, 2004
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  4. Nicholas Sherlock

    # Guest

    On Tue, 30 Nov 2004 19:42:34 +1300, JohnO wrote:

    > And make sure you get a card with a 256 bit memory interface, not 128 bit.


    I would assume you are referring to the 9800 series ie the 9800se?
     
    #, Nov 30, 2004
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  5. Nicholas Sherlock

    JohnO Guest

    "#" <> wrote in message
    news:1cny5pjt1sont.1uk199j8jqkmo$...
    > On Tue, 30 Nov 2004 19:42:34 +1300, JohnO wrote:
    >
    >> And make sure you get a card with a 256 bit memory interface, not 128
    >> bit.

    >
    > I would assume you are referring to the 9800 series ie the 9800se?


    Well, it seems that sometimes you see suspiciously cheap 9800pro cards for
    sale that don't mention se, le or whatever but in the fine print you see
    '128 bit'.
     
    JohnO, Nov 30, 2004
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  6. Nicholas Sherlock

    # Guest

    On Tue, 30 Nov 2004 21:42:20 +1300, JohnO wrote:

    > "#" <> wrote in message
    > news:1cny5pjt1sont.1uk199j8jqkmo$...
    >> On Tue, 30 Nov 2004 19:42:34 +1300, JohnO wrote:
    >>
    >>> And make sure you get a card with a 256 bit memory interface, not 128
    >>> bit.

    >>
    >> I would assume you are referring to the 9800 series ie the 9800se?

    >
    > Well, it seems that sometimes you see suspiciously cheap 9800pro cards for
    > sale that don't mention se, le or whatever but in the fine print you see
    > '128 bit'.


    Yes, I've noticed that particularly with the 9800pro 256MB versions. It
    seems like the real ones (256bit) are currently all over the $600+ mark,
    whilst the 256 bit 128MB versions are much more reasonably priced, at
    around $400.

    Can't see too many 256MB 9800pro cards being sold with such a huge margin
    over the 128's, and also being in the same price territory as the higher
    spec'd 256MB 9800XT's
     
    #, Nov 30, 2004
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  7. On Tue, 30 Nov 2004 19:42:34 +1300, "JohnO" <> wrote:

    >
    >"#" <> wrote in message
    >news:8wiciduv8pmh.1wxc6njs75dsb$...
    >> On Tue, 30 Nov 2004 19:02:04 +1300, Nicholas Sherlock wrote:
    >>
    >>> Hey all,
    >>>
    >>> I'm looking to spend ~$300 on a new graphics card. It should have TV out
    >>> and DVI, and be AGP. Apart from that, I'm just after good gaming
    >>> performance. What can people recommend? The Radeon 9800 is ~$100 more
    >>> expensive than the 9600 pro... is the difference in spec worth $100? My
    >>> system is a 1.5ghz Athlon XP, soon to have 512mb of RAM.. can I use
    >>> these cards to their full potential?

    >>
    >> If you're looking at the 9600pro, I would recommend that you make sure it
    >> is a 400MHz/600MHz model preferably with 2.8ns DDR (ie Gigabyte
    >> GV-R96P128DH or similar). I've noticed a few (particularly GeCube
    >> "Encore")
    >> which are rated at a lower spec while being marketed as 9600pro's, and for
    >> the minor difference in price, the full version offers better performance.

    >
    >And make sure you get a card with a 256 bit memory interface, not 128 bit.
    >




    Not really needed, a 128 is all you normally need.

    I have read a few reviews and it did not improve things at all.
     
    Brian Mathews, Nov 30, 2004
    #7
  8. On Tue, 30 Nov 2004 19:52:20 +1300, # <> wrote:

    >On Tue, 30 Nov 2004 19:42:34 +1300, JohnO wrote:
    >
    >> And make sure you get a card with a 256 bit memory interface, not 128 bit.

    >
    >I would assume you are referring to the 9800 series ie the 9800se?



    the 9800se is a crippled version.
     
    Brian Mathews, Nov 30, 2004
    #8
  9. Nicholas Sherlock

    JohnO Guest

    "Brian Mathews" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > On Tue, 30 Nov 2004 19:42:34 +1300, "JohnO" <> wrote:
    >
    >>
    >>"#" <> wrote in message
    >>news:8wiciduv8pmh.1wxc6njs75dsb$...
    >>> On Tue, 30 Nov 2004 19:02:04 +1300, Nicholas Sherlock wrote:
    >>>
    >>>> Hey all,
    >>>>
    >>>> I'm looking to spend ~$300 on a new graphics card. It should have TV
    >>>> out
    >>>> and DVI, and be AGP. Apart from that, I'm just after good gaming
    >>>> performance. What can people recommend? The Radeon 9800 is ~$100 more
    >>>> expensive than the 9600 pro... is the difference in spec worth $100? My
    >>>> system is a 1.5ghz Athlon XP, soon to have 512mb of RAM.. can I use
    >>>> these cards to their full potential?
    >>>
    >>> If you're looking at the 9600pro, I would recommend that you make sure
    >>> it
    >>> is a 400MHz/600MHz model preferably with 2.8ns DDR (ie Gigabyte
    >>> GV-R96P128DH or similar). I've noticed a few (particularly GeCube
    >>> "Encore")
    >>> which are rated at a lower spec while being marketed as 9600pro's, and
    >>> for
    >>> the minor difference in price, the full version offers better
    >>> performance.

    >>
    >>And make sure you get a card with a 256 bit memory interface, not 128 bit.
    >>

    >
    >
    >
    > Not really needed, a 128 is all you normally need.
    >
    > I have read a few reviews and it did not improve things at all.
    >
    >


    Well, memory transfers are at double the rate!
     
    JohnO, Nov 30, 2004
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  10. Nicholas Sherlock

    Invisible Guest

    On Tue, 30 Nov 2004 23:10:44 +1300, Brian Mathews
    < wrote:


    Another week, another name...
     
    Invisible, Nov 30, 2004
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  11. Nicholas Sherlock

    JohnO Guest

    "Brian Mathews" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > On Tue, 30 Nov 2004 19:52:20 +1300, # <> wrote:
    >
    >>On Tue, 30 Nov 2004 19:42:34 +1300, JohnO wrote:
    >>
    >>> And make sure you get a card with a 256 bit memory interface, not 128
    >>> bit.

    >>
    >>I would assume you are referring to the 9800 series ie the 9800se?

    >
    >
    > the 9800se is a crippled version.
    >
    >


    The se version is 128 bit. The 'proper' 9800pro is 256 bit. In your previous
    post, Woger, you claim there's not much difference between the 128 and 256
    bit versions. Ergo, Woger once again doesn't know what the **** he's talking
    about.

    9800se:
    http://tomshardware.bizrate.com/marketplace/product_info/details__cat_id--405,prod_id--8760398.html

    9800pro:
    http://tomshardware.bizrate.com/marketplace/product_info/details__cat_id--405,prod_id--7386035.html

    BTW: xpcomputers have the 256 bit 9800pro for $344+gst. Not at all bad for
    the price!
     
    JohnO, Nov 30, 2004
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  12. Nicholas Sherlock

    Daniel Guest

    Nicholas Sherlock wrote:
    > Hey all,
    >
    > I'm looking to spend ~$300 on a new graphics card. It should have TV out
    > and DVI, and be AGP. Apart from that, I'm just after good gaming
    > performance. What can people recommend? The Radeon 9800 is ~$100 more
    > expensive than the 9600 pro... is the difference in spec worth $100? My
    > system is a 1.5ghz Athlon XP, soon to have 512mb of RAM.. can I use
    > these cards to their full potential?
    >
    > Cheers,
    > Nicholas Sherlock

    Hi,

    First (and probably most important thing), make sure you have a PSU that
    can handle the upgrade. Nothing worse than getting a brand new 9600XT only
    to find out that it crashes when doing heavy duty 3D because your "measly"
    250W-300W PSU can't drive it at full throttle.

    It's also something to take into consideration for your budget.

    I'd recommend a 350+ Watt PSU - if you haven't already got one that is.
    A lot of good feedback on this ng regarding AcBel PSU's - plus they're
    still relatively cheap.

    Second, now that the GF6600GT AGP has _finally_ arrived, it might be a good
    idea to sit back and wait to see what this will do to prices. I imagine
    that upcoming versions of the 6600GT will only push prices down further.

    (note: contrary to earlier posts the 6600GT is in fact a lot closer to
    the $400NZD price point than the $700-800NZD a few predicted)
     
    Daniel, Nov 30, 2004
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  13. Nicholas Sherlock

    S Roby Guest

    Some cards(some Gecube) have "below spec" ram running
    at a slower speed which has a big effect on the graphics speed.
    Just a note for the wise.
     
    S Roby, Dec 1, 2004
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