Got rid of most of the Spam !!

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  1. er

    er Guest

    Mine was the original post questioning how to filter google groups.

    I could not find a way to filter on googlegroups in Message ID using
    Thunderbird or OE in combination with News Proxy.

    What I did, is something one of the replys to my post suggested. Using the
    tools/message rules in outlook express, I set up a rule to block on the from
    line. Reading the headers in OE, all that shows up in the from column is a
    name or initials. Behind that however is a full email address, visible only
    if you click on properties while the message line is highlighted. As
    someone pointed out, most of the crap that is posted from googlegroups comes
    from gmail or some other google email account. By ruling out a handful of
    google related email sources, most of the spam is gone. The names I've
    inserted into my rule are "google, groups.google.com, gmail, googlemail,etc.
    I've just added the email of the replica watch posters, and yahoo.com.cn,
    which have been the source of other recent spam.

    Those spam messages from "dale" that snuck through this AM were easily delt
    with using the "block sender" under message in OE. All were posted from a
    single email address.

    I'm still seeing posts complaining about the spam, but virtually all of the
    spam is gone.

    I know that this isn't a perfect solution, but for right now, it seems to be
    working pretty well. Thanks to Tom D for setting me on the right track.

    EQR
    er, Mar 23, 2008
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  2. er

    Dave Guest

    er wrote:
    > Mine was the original post questioning how to filter google groups.
    >
    > I could not find a way to filter on googlegroups in Message ID using
    > Thunderbird or OE in combination with News Proxy.
    >
    > What I did, is something one of the replys to my post suggested. Using the
    > tools/message rules in outlook express, I set up a rule to block on the from
    > line. Reading the headers in OE, all that shows up in the from column is a
    > name or initials. Behind that however is a full email address, visible only
    > if you click on properties while the message line is highlighted. As
    > someone pointed out, most of the crap that is posted from googlegroups comes
    > from gmail or some other google email account. By ruling out a handful of
    > google related email sources, most of the spam is gone. The names I've
    > inserted into my rule are "google, groups.google.com, gmail, googlemail,etc.
    > I've just added the email of the replica watch posters, and yahoo.com.cn,
    > which have been the source of other recent spam.
    >
    > Those spam messages from "dale" that snuck through this AM were easily delt
    > with using the "block sender" under message in OE. All were posted from a
    > single email address.
    >
    > I'm still seeing posts complaining about the spam, but virtually all of the
    > spam is gone.
    >
    > I know that this isn't a perfect solution, but for right now, it seems to be
    > working pretty well. Thanks to Tom D for setting me on the right track.
    >
    > EQR
    >
    >

    Check this message in alt.comp.freeware for detailed info on using Tbird
    and Newsproxy(nfilter) for eliminating google groupers.
    http://groups.google.com/group/alt.comp.freeware/msg/d94e2ac242e42ead

    Dave

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    Dave, Mar 23, 2008
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  3. Dave wrote:

    > er wrote:
    >> Mine was the original post questioning how to filter google groups.
    >>
    >> I could not find a way to filter on googlegroups in Message ID using
    >> Thunderbird or OE in combination with News Proxy.
    >>
    >> What I did, is something one of the replys to my post suggested. Using
    >> the tools/message rules in outlook express, I set up a rule to block on
    >> the from line. Reading the headers in OE, all that shows up in the from
    >> column is a name or initials. Behind that however is a full email
    >> address, visible only if you click on properties while the message line
    >> is highlighted. As someone pointed out, most of the crap that is posted
    >> from googlegroups comes from gmail or some other google email account.
    >> By ruling out a handful of google related email sources, most of the
    >> spam is gone. The names I've inserted into my rule are "google,
    >> groups.google.com, gmail, googlemail,etc. I've just added the email of
    >> the replica watch posters, and yahoo.com.cn, which have been the source
    >> of other recent spam.
    >>
    >> Those spam messages from "dale" that snuck through this AM were easily
    >> delt with using the "block sender" under message in OE. All were posted
    >> from a single email address.
    >>
    >> I'm still seeing posts complaining about the spam, but virtually all of
    >> the spam is gone.
    >>
    >> I know that this isn't a perfect solution, but for right now, it seems
    >> to be working pretty well. Thanks to Tom D for setting me on the right
    >> track.
    >>
    >> EQR
    >>
    >>

    > Check this message in alt.comp.freeware for detailed info on using Tbird
    > and Newsproxy(nfilter) for eliminating google groupers.
    > http://groups.google.com/group/alt.comp.freeware/msg/d94e2ac242e42ead


    Aye. nfilter (now named NewsProxy) is one of the two local servers
    explained here... :)

    http://improve-usenet.org/filters_ex2.html

    Of course, with clients with stronger built-in filtering capabilities such
    additional software is not needed to cull GG posts by their Message-ID
    headers.


    --
    Blinky
    Killing all posts from Google Groups
    The Usenet Improvement Project: http://improve-usenet.org
    Blinky: http://blinkynet.net
    Blinky the Shark, Mar 23, 2008
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  4. er

    Steve Guest

    On Sun, 23 Mar 2008 11:52:42 -0800, Blinky the Shark
    <> wrote:

    >Aye. nfilter (now named NewsProxy) is one of the two local servers
    >explained here... :)
    >
    >http://improve-usenet.org/filters_ex2.html
    >
    >Of course, with clients with stronger built-in filtering capabilities such
    >additional software is not needed to cull GG posts by their Message-ID
    >headers.


    Aye, but since I'm cheap and use the free version of Agent (which
    doesn't enable filtering) I just use NewsProxy 1.2.4 to do my
    filtering for me. Works great.

    Steve
    Steve, Mar 23, 2008
    #4
  5. Steve wrote:

    >
    > On Sun, 23 Mar 2008 11:52:42 -0800, Blinky the Shark <>
    > wrote:
    >
    >>Aye. nfilter (now named NewsProxy) is one of the two local servers
    >>explained here... :)
    >>
    >>http://improve-usenet.org/filters_ex2.html
    >>
    >>Of course, with clients with stronger built-in filtering capabilities
    >>such additional software is not needed to cull GG posts by their
    >>Message-ID headers.

    >
    > Aye, but since I'm cheap and use the free version of Agent (which doesn't
    > enable filtering) I just use NewsProxy 1.2.4 to do my filtering for me.
    > Works great.


    Uh...I know. Once more: NewsProxy is one of my recommendations. :)

    Anyway, even the full version of Agent can't filter well. You'd still
    need a proxy to pre-chew you groups for it. (But, of course, there are
    other FREE news clients that have good filtering on their own; so the "I'm
    cheap" part doesn't necessarily rule out their use.)


    --
    Blinky
    Killing all posts from Google Groups
    The Usenet Improvement Project: http://improve-usenet.org
    Blinky: http://blinkynet.net
    Blinky the Shark, Mar 23, 2008
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  6. er

    Don Wiss Guest

    On Sun, 23 Mar 2008 17:37:33 GMT, "er" <> wrote:

    >Mine was the original post questioning how to filter google groups.


    Another thing is someone could issue rogue cancels. One is not supposed to
    cancel articles that they didn't post. And some ISPs ignore cancel
    messages. And this takes a little work. But it is effective...

    Don <www.donwiss.com> (e-mail link at home page bottom).
    Don Wiss, Mar 23, 2008
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  7. er

    Don Wiss Guest

    On Sun, 23 Mar 2008, Blinky the Shark <> wrote:

    >Don Wiss wrote:
    >
    >> On Sun, 23 Mar 2008 17:37:33 GMT, "er" <> wrote:
    >>
    >>>Mine was the original post questioning how to filter google groups.

    >>
    >> Another thing is someone could issue rogue cancels. One is not supposed to
    >> cancel articles that they didn't post. And some ISPs ignore cancel
    >> messages. And this takes a little work. But it is effective...

    >
    >I think that by now, *most* news feeds (ISP or otherwise) ignore cancels.
    >
    >Too much abuse from third-party cancels.


    My Panix ISP does not ignore them. I also have a Verizon account that comes
    with my DSL. They ignore them.

    Don <www.donwiss.com> (e-mail link at home page bottom).
    Don Wiss, Mar 23, 2008
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  8. er

    Don Wiss Guest

    On Sun, 23 Mar 2008, Blinky the Shark <> wrote:

    >Anyway, even the full version of Agent can't filter well.


    Actually it does. It supports expressions. It is in the help. It is not
    easy, unless you already know expressions from elsewhere.

    Don <www.donwiss.com> (e-mail link at home page bottom).
    Don Wiss, Mar 23, 2008
    #8
  9. er

    Paul Furman Guest

    Blinky the Shark wrote:
    > Don Wiss wrote:
    >
    >> On Sun, 23 Mar 2008 17:37:33 GMT, "er" <> wrote:
    >>
    >>> Mine was the original post questioning how to filter google groups.

    >> Another thing is someone could issue rogue cancels. One is not supposed to
    >> cancel articles that they didn't post. And some ISPs ignore cancel
    >> messages. And this takes a little work. But it is effective...

    >
    > I think that by now, *most* news feeds (ISP or otherwise) ignore cancels.
    >
    > Too much abuse from third-party cancels.


    I just had to add a filter that deletes cancel messages :)

    I did get NewsProxy working though so google groups should be gone.
    Paul Furman, Mar 24, 2008
    #9
  10. Don Wiss wrote:

    > On Sun, 23 Mar 2008 17:37:33 GMT, "er" <> wrote:
    >
    >>Mine was the original post questioning how to filter google groups.

    >
    > Another thing is someone could issue rogue cancels. One is not supposed to
    > cancel articles that they didn't post. And some ISPs ignore cancel
    > messages. And this takes a little work. But it is effective...


    I think that by now, *most* news feeds (ISP or otherwise) ignore cancels.

    Too much abuse from third-party cancels.


    --
    Blinky
    Killing all posts from Google Groups
    The Usenet Improvement Project: http://improve-usenet.org
    Blinky: http://blinkynet.net
    Blinky the Shark, Mar 24, 2008
    #10
  11. er

    Don Wiss Guest

    On Sun, 23 Mar 2008 17:50:15 -0800, Blinky the Shark <>
    wrote:

    >Don Wiss wrote:
    >
    >> On Sun, 23 Mar 2008, Blinky the Shark <> wrote:
    >>
    >>>Anyway, even the full version of Agent can't filter well.

    >>
    >> Actually it does. It supports expressions. It is in the help. It is not

    >
    >Regex is certainly nice (assuming that by "expressions" that's what
    >you're addressing), but you have to be able to apply regex to the right
    >headers.


    Yes, it is Regex. And you are correct. You are limited to Subject and
    Author in the old version.

    >> easy, unless you already know expressions from elsewhere.

    >
    >And can it natively filter on Message-ID, which distinquishes GG posts by
    >containing the string google ? (Note that this is not the same as
    >filtering on gmail in the From header, which is a common inferior fallback.)
    >
    >Can it do this all of a sudden -- since it hasn't been able to do so all
    >along?


    I don't know what the new version does. I never upgraded, mostly as I love
    the simple text editor in the old one, and they went to fancy formatting in
    the new one. This, of course, is not needed for newsgroups, but they've
    always tried to market it as also an e-mail package.

    Don <www.donwiss.com> (e-mail link at home page bottom).
    Don Wiss, Mar 24, 2008
    #11
  12. Don Wiss wrote:

    > On Sun, 23 Mar 2008, Blinky the Shark <> wrote:
    >
    >>Anyway, even the full version of Agent can't filter well.

    >
    > Actually it does. It supports expressions. It is in the help. It is not


    Regex is certainly nice (assuming that by "expressions" that's what
    you're addressing), but you have to be able to apply regex to the right
    headers.

    > easy, unless you already know expressions from elsewhere.


    And can it natively filter on Message-ID, which distinquishes GG posts by
    containing the string google ? (Note that this is not the same as
    filtering on gmail in the From header, which is a common inferior fallback.)

    Can it do this all of a sudden -- since it hasn't been able to do so all
    along?


    --
    Blinky
    Killing all posts from Google Groups
    The Usenet Improvement Project: http://improve-usenet.org
    Blinky: http://blinkynet.net
    Blinky the Shark, Mar 24, 2008
    #12
  13. Paul Furman wrote:

    > Blinky the Shark wrote:
    >> Don Wiss wrote:
    >>
    >>> On Sun, 23 Mar 2008 17:37:33 GMT, "er" <> wrote:
    >>>
    >>>> Mine was the original post questioning how to filter google groups.
    >>> Another thing is someone could issue rogue cancels. One is not supposed
    >>> to cancel articles that they didn't post. And some ISPs ignore cancel
    >>> messages. And this takes a little work. But it is effective...

    >>
    >> I think that by now, *most* news feeds (ISP or otherwise) ignore
    >> cancels.
    >>
    >> Too much abuse from third-party cancels.

    >
    > I just had to add a filter that deletes cancel messages :)
    >
    > I did get NewsProxy working though so google groups should be gone.


    Excellent! Enjoy.

    --
    Blinky
    Killing all posts from Google Groups
    The Usenet Improvement Project: http://improve-usenet.org
    Blinky: http://blinkynet.net
    Blinky the Shark, Mar 24, 2008
    #13
  14. er

    Don Wiss Guest

    On Sun, 23 Mar 2008, Blinky the Shark <> wrote:

    > But I'm also a news client junkie.
    >Between curiosity and reasons like the above (and for the sake of my
    >listing of news clients and how to filter with them at the UIP site) I
    >have...uh...I think nine installed and configured and ready to read/post.


    I'm the opposite. I started using Free Agent on 3/22/95. (I checked my out
    box.) When the full version came out I got serial number 236. The only
    reason it is that high is when the e-mail came in that I could buy I found
    the server overloaded. So I did not try very hard until a few hours later.
    I haven't used anything else since.

    Now everything I've ever posted is in that one outbox.

    Don <www.donwiss.com> (e-mail link at home page bottom).
    Don Wiss, Mar 24, 2008
    #14
  15. Don Wiss wrote:

    > On Sun, 23 Mar 2008 17:50:15 -0800, Blinky the Shark <>
    > wrote:
    >
    >>Don Wiss wrote:
    >>
    >>> On Sun, 23 Mar 2008, Blinky the Shark <> wrote:
    >>>
    >>>>Anyway, even the full version of Agent can't filter well.
    >>>
    >>> Actually it does. It supports expressions. It is in the help. It is not

    >>
    >>Regex is certainly nice (assuming that by "expressions" that's what
    >>you're addressing), but you have to be able to apply regex to the right
    >>headers.

    >
    > Yes, it is Regex. And you are correct. You are limited to Subject and
    > Author in the old version.


    Thunderbird is close behind in that race: only filters on Subject, From
    and - of all things - Date. :)

    >>> easy, unless you already know expressions from elsewhere.

    >>
    >>And can it natively filter on Message-ID, which distinquishes GG posts
    >>by containing the string google ? (Note that this is not the same as
    >>filtering on gmail in the From header, which is a common inferior
    >>fallback.)
    >>
    >>Can it do this all of a sudden -- since it hasn't been able to do so all
    >>along?

    >
    > I don't know what the new version does. I never upgraded, mostly as I


    It doesn't.

    > love the simple text editor in the old one, and they went to fancy
    > formatting in the new one. This, of course, is not needed for
    > newsgroups, but they've always tried to market it as also an e-mail
    > package.


    I try to steer clear of combo news/mail clients. I believe in stand-alone
    apps that do one thing really well. I don't want to do a job with a swiss
    army knife if I have real tools available; the SAN is only for
    emergencies. That said, I do have Thunderbird installed on some computers
    here -- but that's only for two reasons: for street cred within the
    Mozilla community when I'm posting to the mozilla servers (that's the only
    place I use TB) and because I wanted to test using it with local proxies
    in Windows and Linux, which can do its filtering for it (by pre-filtering
    the groups before TB sees them). But I'm also a news client junkie.
    Between curiosity and reasons like the above (and for the sake of my
    listing of news clients and how to filter with them at the UIP site) I
    have...uh...I think nine installed and configured and ready to read/post.


    --
    Blinky
    Killing all posts from Google Groups
    The Usenet Improvement Project: http://improve-usenet.org
    Blinky: http://blinkynet.net
    Blinky the Shark, Mar 24, 2008
    #15
  16. er

    Ron Hunter Guest

    er wrote:
    > Mine was the original post questioning how to filter google groups.
    >
    > I could not find a way to filter on googlegroups in Message ID using
    > Thunderbird or OE in combination with News Proxy.
    >
    > What I did, is something one of the replys to my post suggested. Using the
    > tools/message rules in outlook express, I set up a rule to block on the from
    > line. Reading the headers in OE, all that shows up in the from column is a
    > name or initials. Behind that however is a full email address, visible only
    > if you click on properties while the message line is highlighted. As
    > someone pointed out, most of the crap that is posted from googlegroups comes
    > from gmail or some other google email account. By ruling out a handful of
    > google related email sources, most of the spam is gone. The names I've
    > inserted into my rule are "google, groups.google.com, gmail, googlemail,etc.
    > I've just added the email of the replica watch posters, and yahoo.com.cn,
    > which have been the source of other recent spam.
    >
    > Those spam messages from "dale" that snuck through this AM were easily delt
    > with using the "block sender" under message in OE. All were posted from a
    > single email address.
    >
    > I'm still seeing posts complaining about the spam, but virtually all of the
    > spam is gone.
    >
    > I know that this isn't a perfect solution, but for right now, it seems to be
    > working pretty well. Thanks to Tom D for setting me on the right track.
    >
    > EQR
    >
    >

    Just adding 'googlemail', and 'gmail' to my filters got rid of most of
    the current barrage of crap. I may unleash those domains after 'spring
    break' is over everywhere. An idle mind it the Devil's playground.
    Ron Hunter, Mar 24, 2008
    #16
  17. Don Wiss wrote:

    > On Sun, 23 Mar 2008, Blinky the Shark <>
    > wrote:
    >
    >> But I'm also a news client junkie.
    >>Between curiosity and reasons like the above (and for the sake
    >>of my listing of news clients and how to filter with them at the
    >>UIP site) I have...uh...I think nine installed and configured
    >>and ready to read/post.

    >
    > I'm the opposite. I started using Free Agent on 3/22/95. (I
    > checked my out box.) When the full version came out I got serial
    > number 236. The only reason it is that high is when the e-mail
    > came in that I could buy I found the server overloaded. So I did
    > not try very hard until a few hours later. I haven't used
    > anything else since.
    >
    > Now everything I've ever posted is in that one outbox.


    My 80,000 posts are all at the GG archive, and they're welcome to
    them. :)


    --
    Blinky
    Killing all posts from Google Groups
    The Usenet Improvement Project: http://improve-usenet.org
    Blinky: http://blinkynet.net
    Blinky the Shark, Mar 24, 2008
    #17
  18. er

    Paul Furman Guest

    Blinky the Shark wrote:
    > Paul Furman wrote:
    >
    >> Blinky the Shark wrote:
    >>> Don Wiss wrote:
    >>>
    >>>> On Sun, 23 Mar 2008 17:37:33 GMT, "er" <> wrote:
    >>>>
    >>>>> Mine was the original post questioning how to filter google groups.
    >>>> Another thing is someone could issue rogue cancels. One is not supposed
    >>>> to cancel articles that they didn't post. And some ISPs ignore cancel
    >>>> messages. And this takes a little work. But it is effective...
    >>> I think that by now, *most* news feeds (ISP or otherwise) ignore
    >>> cancels.
    >>>
    >>> Too much abuse from third-party cancels.

    >> I just had to add a filter that deletes cancel messages :)
    >>
    >> I did get NewsProxy working though so google groups should be gone.

    >
    > Excellent! Enjoy.


    Astounding difference overnight!
    Paul Furman, Mar 24, 2008
    #18
  19. er

    Tony Sivori Guest

    Blinky the Shark wrote:
    > Too much abuse from third-party cancels.


    Well, Mr Shark, I took your advice. I recently added all posts from
    googlegroups.com to my filters, in every group that I read. The stench
    from the damn googlegroups sewer is just too much. Usenet is better off
    without google.

    There is some collateral damage. But the more people that filter the
    googlegroups spam, the fewer legitimate posters will post through google.

    --
    Tony Sivori
    Due to spam, I'm now filtering all Google Groups posters.
    Tony Sivori, Mar 25, 2008
    #19
  20. Tony Sivori wrote:

    > Blinky the Shark wrote:
    >> Too much abuse from third-party cancels.

    >
    > Well, Mr Shark, I took your advice. I recently added all posts
    > from googlegroups.com to my filters, in every group that I read.
    > The stench from the damn googlegroups sewer is just too much.
    > Usenet is better off without google.


    Tony, may I quote that paragraph on one of the UIP "Other Voices"
    pages? I'd love to, with your permission. I know -- this is a
    public medium and could just steal it. But I'm terminally
    courteous, and won't use it without your permission. I'll credit
    you, as I do the others there. Go to the UIP link in my sig, and
    see the Voices pages to see to what I refer. Please advise, here.
    Thanks a lot.

    > There is some collateral damage. But the more people that filter
    > the googlegroups spam, the fewer legitimate posters will post
    > through google.


    I don't feel the collateral damage is significant, since most of
    the other Google Gropers besides the spammers are clueless about
    Usenet and what it is, and therefore about how to use it.

    Enjoy your new Improved Usenet, Tony.


    --
    Blinky
    Killing all posts from Google Groups
    The Usenet Improvement Project: http://improve-usenet.org
    Blinky: http://blinkynet.net
    Blinky the Shark, Mar 25, 2008
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