Good for Pentax! Eliminate the horrible little P&Ss

Discussion in 'Digital Photography' started by RichA, Feb 13, 2008.

  1. RichA

    RichA Guest

    Near identical, rotten little silver boxes should be left to the
    marketing companies like what's left of Vivitar and GE to produce.
    Camera phones will replace the P&S at some point as well. If this
    story is true, Pentax is doing the right thing. The evolution of this
    will be mirrorless DSLRs.

    from amateurphotography magazine:

    Pentax to 'phase out' digital compact camera production


    Tuesday 12th February 2008
    Chris Cheesman
    Optio A40

    Pentax plans to phase out digital compact camera production and
    concentrate on DSLRs, according to a report in a leading Japanese
    trade journal, which has not been denied by Pentax Europe.

    Pentax, which is one of the most famous brands in photography, is due
    to merge with Hoya Corporation on 31 March.

    Hoya's CEO Hiroshi Suzuki is reported to have told Japanese trade
    magazine Pen News Weekly that Pentax will concentrate on DSLRs and
    'gradually phase down development and production of compact digicams
    in future'.

    At the time of writing we were waiting for an official comment from
    Pentax.

    It is thought that, in the short term at least, Pentax will use a
    third party to manufacture its compact cameras.

    The Pen article adds that Hoya 'will focus its development resources
    on DSLRs and will gradually phase down marketing operations for
    compact digicams under the Pentax brand and specialise in OEM
    businesses in order to improve the profit profile of its digicam
    business operations'.
    RichA, Feb 13, 2008
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  2. RichA

    John Navas Guest

    On Tue, 12 Feb 2008 19:20:02 -0800 (PST), RichA <>
    wrote in
    <>:

    >Near identical, rotten little silver boxes should be left to the
    >marketing companies like what's left of Vivitar and GE to produce.
    >Camera phones will replace the P&S at some point as well. If this
    >story is true, Pentax is doing the right thing. The evolution of this
    >will be mirrorless DSLRs.
    >
    >from amateurphotography magazine:
    >
    >Pentax to 'phase out' digital compact camera production


    All this means is that Pentax got its butt kicked in compact cameras.
    Being borged by Hoya isn't a good thing. How sad.

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    John Navas
    Panasonic DMC-FZ8 (and several others)
    John Navas, Feb 13, 2008
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  3. RichA

    flambe Guest

    What is Pentax anyway?
    They are basically a name sold to Samsung and who knows what Hoya is getting
    out of the deal?
    The very small Pentax lens lineup is actually made by what Japanese
    manufacturer: hint--starts with a "T" and not a "P".
    The current issue of Shutterbug is pimping a non/pre-preproduction Pentax
    dSLR with a sensor made by who?
    For the near term the only old line Japanese SLR makers still in the race
    are Nikon and Canon.
    For the rest of the market the real question is how long will Olympus, Sony,
    Panasonic, Pentax, et al hang in there?
    In any event the market for P&Ses dwarfs the dSLR market. However price
    beats quality in most of this market segment.
    flambe, Feb 13, 2008
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  4. RichA

    John Navas Guest

    On Wed, 13 Feb 2008 04:45:44 GMT, "flambe" <> wrote in
    <YBusj.7146$>:

    >What is Pentax anyway?
    >They are basically a name sold to Samsung and who knows what Hoya is getting
    >out of the deal?
    >The very small Pentax lens lineup is actually made by what Japanese
    >manufacturer: hint--starts with a "T" and not a "P".
    >The current issue of Shutterbug is pimping a non/pre-preproduction Pentax
    >dSLR with a sensor made by who?
    >For the near term the only old line Japanese SLR makers still in the race
    >are Nikon and Canon.
    >For the rest of the market the real question is how long will Olympus, Sony,
    >Panasonic, Pentax, et al hang in there?
    >...


    Olympus, Sony and Panasonic are all doing pretty well.
    BTW, you left out Kodak. ;)

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    Best regards,
    John Navas
    Panasonic DMC-FZ8 (and several others)
    John Navas, Feb 13, 2008
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  5. RichA

    ray Guest

    On Tue, 12 Feb 2008 19:20:02 -0800, RichA wrote:

    > Near identical, rotten little silver boxes should be left to the
    > marketing companies like what's left of Vivitar and GE to produce.
    > Camera phones will replace the P&S at some point as well. If this story
    > is true, Pentax is doing the right thing. The evolution of this will be
    > mirrorless DSLRs.


    Already have them - they're called EVF.

    >
    ray, Feb 13, 2008
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  6. RichA

    Jufi Guest

    "flambe" <> wrote in message
    news:YBusj.7146$...
    > What is Pentax anyway?
    > They are basically a name sold to Samsung and who knows what Hoya is
    > getting out of the deal?
    > The very small Pentax lens lineup is actually made by what Japanese
    > manufacturer: hint--starts with a "T" and not a "P".
    > The current issue of Shutterbug is pimping a non/pre-preproduction Pentax
    > dSLR with a sensor made by who?
    > For the near term the only old line Japanese SLR makers still in the race
    > are Nikon and Canon.
    > For the rest of the market the real question is how long will Olympus,
    > Sony, Panasonic, Pentax, et al hang in there?
    > In any event the market for P&Ses dwarfs the dSLR market. However price
    > beats quality in most of this market segment.


    Olympus, Sony, and Panasonic are doing more than "just hanging in there."
    Sony is getting very agressive in the SLR market, as is Oly and Panny.
    Pentax, whoever they are, will continue to be a player in the SLR market but
    will not catch Canon or Nikon, ever.

    And as far as them getting out of the compact business, well, they're
    cameras sucked and weren't competitive with Canon or Sony.
    Jufi, Feb 13, 2008
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  7. RichA

    Jufi Guest

    "ray" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > On Tue, 12 Feb 2008 19:20:02 -0800, RichA wrote:
    >
    >> Near identical, rotten little silver boxes should be left to the
    >> marketing companies like what's left of Vivitar and GE to produce.
    >> Camera phones will replace the P&S at some point as well. If this story
    >> is true, Pentax is doing the right thing. The evolution of this will be
    >> mirrorless DSLRs.

    >
    > Already have them - they're called EVF.



    And if the EVF ever gets out of the stone age, we might hae something...
    Jufi, Feb 13, 2008
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  8. RichA

    Steve B Guest

    "flambe" <> wrote in message
    news:YBusj.7146$...
    > What is Pentax anyway?
    > They are basically a name sold to Samsung and who knows what Hoya is
    > getting out of the deal?
    > The very small Pentax lens lineup is actually made by what Japanese
    > manufacturer: hint--starts with a "T" and not a "P".
    > The current issue of Shutterbug is pimping a non/pre-preproduction Pentax
    > dSLR with a sensor made by who?
    > For the near term the only old line Japanese SLR makers still in the race
    > are Nikon and Canon.
    > For the rest of the market the real question is how long will Olympus,
    > Sony, Panasonic, Pentax, et al hang in there?
    > In any event the market for P&Ses dwarfs the dSLR market. However price
    > beats quality in most of this market segment.
    >


    Pentax designed the new 14.6MP sensor, Samsung made it.
    Steve B, Feb 13, 2008
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  9. RichA

    John Navas Guest

    On Wed, 13 Feb 2008 18:23:09 -0000, "Steve B"
    <> wrote in
    <fovcjk$f45$>:

    >Pentax designed the new 14.6MP sensor, Samsung made it.


    Citation?

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    Best regards,
    John Navas
    Panasonic DMC-FZ8 (and several others)
    John Navas, Feb 13, 2008
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  10. RichA

    John Navas Guest

    On Wed, 13 Feb 2008 18:16:19 GMT, "Jufi" <> wrote in
    <TtGsj.2495$YJ4.1052@trndny01>:

    >"ray" <> wrote in message
    >news:...
    >> On Tue, 12 Feb 2008 19:20:02 -0800, RichA wrote:
    >>
    >>> Near identical, rotten little silver boxes should be left to the
    >>> marketing companies like what's left of Vivitar and GE to produce.
    >>> Camera phones will replace the P&S at some point as well. If this story
    >>> is true, Pentax is doing the right thing. The evolution of this will be
    >>> mirrorless DSLRs.

    >>
    >> Already have them - they're called EVF.

    >
    >And if the EVF ever gets out of the stone age, we might hae something...


    Works fine here.

    --
    Best regards,
    John Navas
    Panasonic DMC-FZ8 (and several others)
    John Navas, Feb 13, 2008
    #10
  11. RichA

    Pete D Guest

    "John Navas" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > On Wed, 13 Feb 2008 18:16:19 GMT, "Jufi" <> wrote in
    > <TtGsj.2495$YJ4.1052@trndny01>:
    >
    >>"ray" <> wrote in message
    >>news:...
    >>> On Tue, 12 Feb 2008 19:20:02 -0800, RichA wrote:
    >>>
    >>>> Near identical, rotten little silver boxes should be left to the
    >>>> marketing companies like what's left of Vivitar and GE to produce.
    >>>> Camera phones will replace the P&S at some point as well. If this
    >>>> story
    >>>> is true, Pentax is doing the right thing. The evolution of this will
    >>>> be
    >>>> mirrorless DSLRs.
    >>>
    >>> Already have them - they're called EVF.

    >>
    >>And if the EVF ever gets out of the stone age, we might hae something...

    >
    > Works fine here.


    John it may work fine for you but as many of us have noticed your standards
    are extemely low and therefore of no value what so ever.
    Pete D, Feb 13, 2008
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  12. RichA

    RichA Guest

    Re: Good for Pentax! Eliminate the horrible little P&Ss

    On Feb 13, 1:23 pm, "Steve B" <>
    wrote:
    > "flambe" <> wrote in message
    >
    > news:YBusj.7146$...
    >
    > > What is Pentax anyway?
    > > They are basically a name sold to Samsung and who knows what Hoya is
    > > getting out of the deal?
    > > The very small Pentax lens lineup is actually made by what Japanese
    > > manufacturer: hint--starts with a "T" and not a "P".
    > > The current issue of Shutterbug is pimping a non/pre-preproduction Pentax
    > > dSLR with a sensor made by who?
    > > For the near term the only old line Japanese SLR makers still in the race
    > > are Nikon and Canon.
    > > For the rest of the market the real question is how long will Olympus,
    > > Sony, Panasonic, Pentax, et al hang in there?
    > > In any event the market for P&Ses dwarfs the dSLR market. However price
    > > beats quality in most of this market segment.

    >
    > Pentax designed the new 14.6MP sensor, Samsung made it.


    And not to jump the gun, but if the images seen from it are "real" it
    looks like a winner.
    RichA, Feb 13, 2008
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  13. RichA

    Jufi Guest

    "John Navas" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > On Wed, 13 Feb 2008 18:16:19 GMT, "Jufi" <> wrote in
    > <TtGsj.2495$YJ4.1052@trndny01>:
    >
    >>"ray" <> wrote in message
    >>news:...
    >>> On Tue, 12 Feb 2008 19:20:02 -0800, RichA wrote:
    >>>
    >>>> Near identical, rotten little silver boxes should be left to the
    >>>> marketing companies like what's left of Vivitar and GE to produce.
    >>>> Camera phones will replace the P&S at some point as well. If this
    >>>> story
    >>>> is true, Pentax is doing the right thing. The evolution of this will
    >>>> be
    >>>> mirrorless DSLRs.
    >>>
    >>> Already have them - they're called EVF.

    >>
    >>And if the EVF ever gets out of the stone age, we might hae something...

    >
    > Works fine here.


    They work OK, but the best EVF is crude compared to the display in an SLR.
    Grainy, ghosting, dull, hard to see in daylight, etc. I've used one
    extensively in an FZ50, and compared to the viewfinder in any SLR, it's a
    distant second place.

    >
    > --
    > Best regards,
    > John Navas
    > Panasonic DMC-FZ8 (and several others)
    Jufi, Feb 13, 2008
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  14. RichA

    John Navas Guest

    On Wed, 13 Feb 2008 21:22:51 GMT, "Jufi" <> wrote in
    <LcJsj.2597$YL3.2134@trndny05>:

    >"John Navas" <> wrote in message
    >news:...
    >> On Wed, 13 Feb 2008 18:16:19 GMT, "Jufi" <> wrote in
    >> <TtGsj.2495$YJ4.1052@trndny01>:


    >>>And if the EVF ever gets out of the stone age, we might hae something...

    >>
    >> Works fine here.

    >
    >They work OK, but the best EVF is crude compared to the display in an SLR.
    >Grainy, ghosting, dull, hard to see in daylight, etc. I've used one
    >extensively in an FZ50, and compared to the viewfinder in any SLR, it's a
    >distant second place.


    My own take is that the FZ50 viewfinder is quite good. I haven't seen
    such problems as you list. Are you thinking of the rear display instead
    of the EVF (which isn't a problem in daylight)? Perhaps the one you
    tried was defective.

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    Best regards,
    John Navas
    Panasonic DMC-FZ8 (and several others)
    John Navas, Feb 13, 2008
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  15. RichA

    John Navas Guest

    On Thu, 14 Feb 2008 06:49:27 +1100, "Pete D" <> wrote in
    <47b349ca$0$20218$>:

    >"John Navas" <> wrote in message
    >news:...
    >> On Wed, 13 Feb 2008 18:16:19 GMT, "Jufi" <> wrote in
    >> <TtGsj.2495$YJ4.1052@trndny01>:


    >>>And if the EVF ever gets out of the stone age, we might hae something...

    >>
    >> Works fine here.

    >
    >John it may work fine for you but as many of us have noticed your standards
    >are extemely low and therefore of no value what so ever.


    Insecure and jealous as always, I see. ;)

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    John Navas
    Panasonic DMC-FZ8 (and several others)
    John Navas, Feb 13, 2008
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  16. RichA

    Guest Guest

    You can start with their own press announcement. It makes it quite clear
    where it came from and who designed it.

    But, I guess for some reading isn't FUN-DEmental!
    Guest, Feb 14, 2008
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  17. RichA

    John Navas Guest

    On Wed, 13 Feb 2008 17:51:38 -0800,
    <no_spam_from_scumbags@die_scumbags.com> wrote in
    <47b39eb2$0$36398$>:

    >You can start with their own press announcement. It makes it quite clear
    >where it came from and who designed it.


    I don't much stock in press releases -- more hype than truth.

    >But, I guess for some reading isn't FUN-DEmental!


    But, I guess for some being childish is FUN-DEmental!

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    John Navas, Feb 14, 2008
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  18. RichA

    Mr. Strat Guest

    In article
    <47b349ca$0$20218$>, Pete D
    <> wrote:

    > John it may work fine for you but as many of us have noticed your standards
    > are extemely low and therefore of no value what so ever.


    His breadth of knowledge doesn't go very high on the tree either.
    Mr. Strat, Feb 14, 2008
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  19. RichA

    Pete D Guest

    "John Navas" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > On Thu, 14 Feb 2008 06:49:27 +1100, "Pete D" <> wrote in
    > <47b349ca$0$20218$>:
    >
    >>"John Navas" <> wrote in message
    >>news:...
    >>> On Wed, 13 Feb 2008 18:16:19 GMT, "Jufi" <> wrote in
    >>> <TtGsj.2495$YJ4.1052@trndny01>:

    >
    >>>>And if the EVF ever gets out of the stone age, we might hae something...
    >>>
    >>> Works fine here.

    >>
    >>John it may work fine for you but as many of us have noticed your
    >>standards
    >>are extemely low and therefore of no value what so ever.

    >
    > Insecure and jealous as always, I see. ;)
    >



    ???Damn you caught me out John but I see that you are stupid and totally
    clueless as always..........................
    Pete D, Feb 14, 2008
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  20. RichA

    steph Guest

    Re: Good for Pentax! Eliminate the horrible little P&Ss

    On 13 Feb., 05:45, "flambe" <> wrote:
    > What is Pentax anyway?
    > They are basically a name sold to Samsung and who knows what Hoya is getting
    > out of the deal?
    > The very small Pentax lens lineup is actually made by what Japanese
    > manufacturer: hint--starts with a "T" and not a "P".
    > The current issue of Shutterbug is pimping a non/pre-preproduction Pentax
    > dSLR with a sensor made by who?
    > For the near term the only old line Japanese SLR makers still in the race
    > are Nikon and Canon.
    > For the rest of the market the real question is how long will Olympus, Sony,
    > Panasonic, Pentax, et al hang in there?
    > In any event the market for P&Ses dwarfs the dSLR market. However price
    > beats quality in most of this market segment.



    well, i'm happy with my pentax. it's a fine machine, wouldn't want to
    have any other at the moment. doesn't matter if pentax is just a name,
    doesn't matter if it was made by somebody else. it's the product that
    counts, and if it's good than all this talk is just hot air and a
    waste of time.
    steph, Feb 14, 2008
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