Good firewall recommendations

Discussion in 'Computer Security' started by Edw. Peach, Aug 27, 2004.

  1. Edw. Peach

    Edw. Peach Guest

    I've read in a number of places (including here) that Zone Alarm (at
    least the free version) really isn't that good. Is that true?

    What is good, as far as firewall software goes?
     
    Edw. Peach, Aug 27, 2004
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    Kleeb Guest

    On 2004-08-27, Edw Peach <> schrieb :
    > I've read in a number of places (including here) that Zone Alarm (at
    > least the free version) really isn't that good. Is that true?
    >
    > What is good, as far as firewall software goes?


    Have a look at the thread 'Best Firewall' as this has been covered somewhat
    there.

    Everybody has their own personal faves when it comes to firewalls and/or AV
    software. You should Google for a few (maybe use your subject line?) and see
    what suits *you* best.

    Cordially,

    Kleeb.

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    Kleeb, Aug 27, 2004
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  3. Edw. Peach

    Edw. Peach Guest

    On Fri, 27 Aug 2004 10:57:43 GMT, Kleeb
    <> wrote:

    You should Google for a few (maybe use your subject line?) and see
    >what suits *you* best.
    >
    >Cordially,
    >
    >Kleeb.



    Thanks. I prefer to hear from users, what they like. A lot of
    information online is unreliable (not that I'd get reliable responses
    from strangers online...LOL.)
     
    Edw. Peach, Aug 27, 2004
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    phoenix Guest

    On Fri, 27 Aug 2004 08:54:45 -0400, Edw. Peach wrote:

    > On Fri, 27 Aug 2004 10:57:43 GMT, Kleeb
    > <> wrote:
    >
    > You should Google for a few (maybe use your subject line?) and see
    >>what suits *you* best.
    >>
    >>Cordially,
    >>
    >>Kleeb.

    >
    > Thanks. I prefer to hear from users, what they like. A lot of
    > information online is unreliable (not that I'd get reliable responses
    > from strangers online...LOL.)


    As Kleeb has already said, try them and see which one suits you. That's the
    only way to determine which is the 'best' firewall (as a general statement
    there's no such thing as the 'best').

    FWIW, I use ZA free and pro on several systems here and I've never had any
    problems with either version.

    Regards


    Bill
     
    phoenix, Aug 27, 2004
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  5. Edw. Peach

    Guest

    In article <>,
    Edw. Peach <> wrote:
    >I've read in a number of places (including here) that Zone Alarm (at
    >least the free version) really isn't that good. Is that true?
    >
    >What is good, as far as firewall software goes?


    I use Kerio 2.1.5. It is free and very configurable. ZA was a resource hog
    for me and I stopped using it over 2 years ago.
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    Celtic Leroy Guest

    Edw. Peach <> wrote:

    >I've read in a number of places (including here) that Zone Alarm (at
    >least the free version) really isn't that good. Is that true?
    >
    >What is good, as far as firewall software goes?


    I lived in Washington DC in the mid 70's where I saw a TV ad for a
    martial arts studio. The owner would come on the screen and say "No
    body messes with me!". Some weeks after the ad started airing he was
    attacked in the parking lot outside his studio...he was beaten to a
    pulp and spent 3 weeks in the hospital. The ad was pulled and future
    ads did not challenge others to "test his abilities".

    I have used Zone Alarm, in it's various versions, since it was first
    offered in tucows.com many years ago. I have used various anti-virus
    programs as well. I currently do not use an AV program (I believe the
    AV companies actually write some of these virus to keep you "on the
    hook"), but I still use ZA. I'm happy to say my system has never been
    infected, compromised, or owned (this is not a challenge to "test"
    me!!!). Although, as a test, I did get the dreaded Blue screen of
    death once (back a few years) on Win98SE while using ZA...this was one
    of the now well known exploites that have since been fixed with an SP.

    My point is this. ZA will protect you from the occasional "ping" on
    various ports (like the current 445 mess) by showing no "presents"
    and, in turn, illiciting no attack. But, if the attacker is aware of
    your presents (as in the test where he knew I was on-line, or if you
    are providing a presents such as a web server listening on port 80 or
    any other type server), the attack can be, and often is, successful
    against ZA. ZA is great for stopping unwanted internet access from
    programs you have on your system...for example, I NEVER allow an
    installed program to register itself on-line.

    So, the answer to your question may be more than just simply "which is
    the best?", but, "what do I need?". In cases involving a dial-up
    connection and no servers, a simple application of Zone Alarm may
    suffice (show no presents, invite no attacks). Where you are using a
    high-speed connection (cable, DSL...), also with no server(s), you
    should have a router (for the hardware protection needed by static
    IP's) as well as a s/w firewall (Zone Alarm may well be all you need
    here too). If you are a business and have both a static IP address
    and host a server or servers, your needs are much more pronounced than
    the simple home user...and you would do better to acquire the services
    of a professional to establish a secure site.

    If you have further question regarding the configuration of specific
    devices or products, please feel free to ask specific questions :) I
    will defer to the experts on those subjects.

    Regards,
    Leroy
     
    Celtic Leroy, Aug 27, 2004
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    Kleeb Guest

    On 2004-08-27, Celtic Leroy <> schrieb :
    >
    > I have used Zone Alarm, in it's various versions, since it was first
    > offered in tucows.com many years ago. I have used various anti-virus
    > programs as well. I currently do not use an AV program (I believe the
    > AV companies actually write some of these virus to keep you "on the
    > hook"), but I still use ZA. I'm happy to say my system has never been
    > infected, compromised, or owned (this is not a challenge to "test"
    > me!!!). Although, as a test, I did get the dreaded Blue screen of
    > death once (back a few years) on Win98SE while using ZA...this was one
    > of the now well known exploites that have since been fixed with an SP.
    >
    > My point is this. ZA will protect you from the occasional "ping" on
    > various ports (like the current 445 mess) by showing no "presence"
    > and, in turn, illiciting no attack. But, if the attacker is aware of
    > ....


    <snip>

    Interesting point about the AV companies there. No viruses (I'm quite sure
    the term isn't 'virii'), no income ? If viruses no longer existed, would
    these companies become 'security specialists' overnight ? Or maybe they'd
    turn their attention to the spam problem ? What if spam was eliminated
    globally ? What exactly would they do then ?

    Not a troll, I'm just curious ! :)

    Cordially,

    Kleeb.

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    Kleeb, Aug 27, 2004
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  8. Edw. Peach

    Celtic Leroy Guest

    Kleeb <> wrote:

    >On 2004-08-27, Celtic Leroy <> schrieb :
    >>
    >> I have used Zone Alarm, in it's various versions, since it was first
    >> offered in tucows.com many years ago. I have used various anti-virus
    >> programs as well. I currently do not use an AV program (I believe the
    >> AV companies actually write some of these virus to keep you "on the
    >> hook"), but I still use ZA. I'm happy to say my system has never been
    >> infected, compromised, or owned (this is not a challenge to "test"
    >> me!!!). Although, as a test, I did get the dreaded Blue screen of
    >> death once (back a few years) on Win98SE while using ZA...this was one
    >> of the now well known exploites that have since been fixed with an SP.
    >>
    >> My point is this. ZA will protect you from the occasional "ping" on
    >> various ports (like the current 445 mess) by showing no "presence"
    >> and, in turn, illiciting no attack. But, if the attacker is aware of
    >> ....

    >
    ><snip>
    >
    >Interesting point about the AV companies there. No viruses (I'm quite sure
    >the term isn't 'virii'), no income ? If viruses no longer existed, would
    >these companies become 'security specialists' overnight ? Or maybe they'd
    >turn their attention to the spam problem ? What if spam was eliminated
    >globally ? What exactly would they do then ?
    >
    >Not a troll, I'm just curious ! :)
    >
    >Cordially,
    >
    >Kleeb.


    Good question! Although I don't have the problem of spam either. I
    use Earthlink's "Spaminator". Even if I don't munge my address, I
    don't see anyones e-mail unless they are in my address book. To get
    in my address book, they have to ask nice!! ;)

    Leroy
     
    Celtic Leroy, Aug 28, 2004
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  9. Edw. Peach

    Edw. Peach Guest

    I guess I just haven't learned when posting to these groups, to write
    in legalize language and try to cover all the bases I possibly can, so
    as to eliminate the useless lectures (IMHO) and get down to the point.
    I'm talking about my asking for THE BEST firewall. Of course, the
    issue is THE BEST (in your humble opinion.) THE BEST will never be
    determined. Pepsi/Coke? Marrianne/Ginger?

    As I noted already, I want feedback from people, not a finger pointing
    me to Google. IMHO, that is the most important feature of these
    groups...the ability to talk to people. Just because something is
    listed on a Google search doesn't mean it's any good. We all know
    that someone could describe a product as good online and that it could
    actually be malefic. Here at least, someone might point to a product,
    or some information that the poster believes is true or good, and
    another poster might come along, or a group even, who have had
    other-than experiences with the product, the information, whatever it
    was.

    NO USE FOR AV SOFTWARE

    That is a very interesting idea, NOT using AV at all. I have heard
    others say that, both people who are computer savvy and others who
    have no inkling of the inner workings of the system. I pay a premium
    for my AV and actually haven't had a contaminated file alert in more
    than three years. Something to think about, no doubt.

    I think, though, before I drop that and invest in a router instead
    (realizing, of course, that it isn't fool proof and that if a really
    good hacker wants to get inside my computer, he or she will no doubt
    find a way...it just boils down to me not being a worthy prize for so
    much work) that I need to arm myself with more information about my
    computer AND install some useful software, like something that will
    notify me when changes were either made or attempted, inside my
    computer. And another program to monitor the activities of software
    that I download. I'm pretty safe in that regard as I don't download
    "much" free software, other than the firewall I've been using, Spybot
    Search & Destroy, and Ad-Aware. I don't download music. All my
    software (that I've installed, at least) is legal.

    REGISTERING SOFTWARE

    Someone else mentioned that they never allow a program to register
    itself. Interesting. I suppose when it does that, it could be
    accessing certain ports and establishing more permanent links.
    Probably another good idea is to reinstall the OS on a brand new
    computer. I have so much crap installed, crap that I don't want, will
    never use, compliments of the factory. And one program, my CD writing
    program, Sonic, ALWAYS calls home every time I copy something, and I
    can't find a way to turn it off. I don't really care, but find that
    intrusive and annoying.

    ZAF as Crap

    I keep hearing/reading people say that ZAF is bad, a waste of code,
    etc. I have always used it (well, for the sake of accuracy, I did try
    Tiny once years ago, and another time, Sygate, the free version) and
    except for having a great deal of trouble uninstalling it, have had no
    other problems...of which I am aware, at least. My inclusion of that
    comment in my original post was really more of a testing type
    question, to see if people step forward (which they have) and said
    that ZAF is adequate. I liked the idea that the Sygate allowed me to
    configure ports, but I never was able to get it running smoothly, even
    with the aid of some 'experts' in a Sygate forum. I had some
    unresolved issues with ports 67 and 68, but a reinstallation fixed
    that...and the fact that I gave that computer away, fixes it even
    more. :) ZAF, as MANY of you know, does not allow me much control at
    all, other than the most basic.

    Thanks for the feedback. Besides the few opinions on firewalls, I
    found a few ideas that you've posted definitely worth more thought and
    investigation.
     
    Edw. Peach, Aug 28, 2004
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    Al Smith Guest

    > I've read in a number of places (including here) that Zone Alarm (at
    > least the free version) really isn't that good. Is that true?
    >
    > What is good, as far as firewall software goes?


    ZoneAlarm Free is as good as it gets.
     
    Al Smith, Aug 28, 2004
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  11. Edw. Peach

    Kleeb Guest

    On Sat, 28 Aug 2004 06:26:24 -0400, Edw. Peach <>
    schrieb:

    >I guess I just haven't learned when posting to these groups, to write
    >in legalize language and try to cover all the bases I possibly can, so
    >as to eliminate the useless lectures (IMHO) and get down to the point.
    >I'm talking about my asking for THE BEST firewall. Of course, the
    >issue is THE BEST (in your humble opinion.) THE BEST will never be
    >determined. Pepsi/Coke? Marrianne/Ginger?


    In all the time you spent writing this poast, you could have tested several
    firewalls out for yourself. Instead, you choose to mock those who take time
    out to help you.

    'useless lectures' eh ? Why can't people like you stop waffling and actually
    do some work yourself ? This isn't a support group. And you're right, you
    appear to have learned very little you anal twit.

    I guess the reason a lot of people (myself included) don't bother writing
    reams of text to answer your oh-so-important question is that they assume as
    you've not got the motivation to find out information for yourself, that you
    don't warrant much more than a few links.

    Coming back on here and criticising people who take time out to help for not
    giving you exactly what you want is the epitome of ignorance and a shining
    example of your ingrained twattery.

    >As I noted already, I want feedback from people, not a finger pointing
    >me to Google.


    Oh shut up you pointless little man.

    <snip waffle>

    You simply aren't that important. In 'real life' or on the 'net'. I
    sincerely doubt you'd have anything worth cracking into your boxes for
    anyway. Test some firewalls out for yourself. Choose one that you like and
    then do us all a favour and piss the **** off.

    Cordially,

    Kleeb.
     
    Kleeb, Aug 28, 2004
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  12. On Fri, 27 Aug 2004 06:07:49 -0400, Edw. Peach <>
    wrote:

    >I've read in a number of places (including here) that Zone Alarm (at
    >least the free version) really isn't that good. Is that true?
    >
    >What is good, as far as firewall software goes?



    ZoneAlarm is good enough.
    But perhaps buy a firewall along with the Avir.
    (From the same software family).
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    J.S. Jackson Guest

    On Sat, 28 Aug 2004 06:26:24 -0400, Edw. Peach wrote:

    > That is a very interesting idea, NOT using AV at all. I have heard
    > others say that, both people who are computer savvy and others who
    > have no inkling of the inner workings of the system. I pay a premium
    > for my AV and actually haven't had a contaminated file alert in more
    > than three years. Something to think about, no doubt.


    It really depends on what you use your computer for. I, like you, rarely
    get any virus alerts. My wife, however, gets as many as 10 a day during
    major virus outbreaks. She's a medical editor who works from home;
    receiving 25-100 e-mails a day from many different sources.

    We both use the latest version of Norton Internet Security. How does it
    compare to other products? I have no idea. It's the only thing we have
    ever used, but has never let us down. Why would we change? Neither of our
    computers has ever been compromised by hacker or virus despite the
    gazillions of virus infested attachments she receives from clients.


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    J.S. Jackson, Aug 29, 2004
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    Martin Guest

    Edw. Peach wrote:
    > I guess I just haven't learned when posting to these groups, to write
    > in legalize language and try to cover all the bases I possibly can, so
    > as to eliminate the useless lectures (IMHO) and get down to the point.
    > I'm talking about my asking for THE BEST firewall. Of course, the
    > issue is THE BEST (in your humble opinion.) THE BEST will never be
    > determined. Pepsi/Coke? Marrianne/Ginger?


    ok, seeing as you're getting stroppy about it.

    Firewall 1! We'll sell you one for a grand and it'll take at one or two
    days consultancy to set it all up for you. That'll be a further 2 grand
    (sterling)

    Best in the world IMNSHO
     
    Martin, Aug 30, 2004
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