Getting a new DVD recorder/player (taking the plunge!)

Discussion in 'DVD Video' started by The Man Behind The Curtain, Jul 29, 2005.

  1. I've decided to make my next DVD machine both a recorder and a player.
    I'm pretty new to this technology--or it's new to me. (I've had
    machines that just play, but never record.) Anything I should know?
    Are there different ways to record, some better than others? Anything I
    should be on the lookout for/avoid?

    Thanks, all.



    John

    --


    Von Herzen, moge es wieder zu Herzen gehen. --Beethoven
    The Man Behind The Curtain, Jul 29, 2005
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  2. On Fri, 29 Jul 2005 16:41:07 GMT, The Man Behind The Curtain
    <> wrote:

    >I've decided to make my next DVD machine both a recorder and a player.
    >I'm pretty new to this technology--or it's new to me. (I've had
    >machines that just play, but never record.) Anything I should know?
    >Are there different ways to record, some better than others? Anything I
    >should be on the lookout for/avoid?
    >
    >Thanks, all.
    >
    >
    >
    >John


    Be aware that some record to +R media, whereas others use -R DVDs.
    Only a few will record to both (but most new recorders will read
    both). Also, I believe it's much more convenient to have an internal
    hard drive, of at least 80 MB. There are many opinions on different
    beands, but the most recorder for your money seems top me to be the
    Lite-on (or the Ilo as branded for Wal-mart). The Panasonic and Sony
    are better known, but much more expensive. Any one you choose will
    allow you to select a recording speed/quality level. Better video is
    obtained with "fast" recording speed (less minutes video recorded per
    DVD). Most allow selecting between 1 hr per std DVD and 6 hrs per DVD.
    Charlie Hoffpauir
    http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~charlieh/
    Charlie Hoffpauir, Jul 29, 2005
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  3. Charlie Hoffpauir wrote:
    > On Fri, 29 Jul 2005 16:41:07 GMT, The Man Behind The Curtain
    > <> wrote:
    >
    >
    >>I've decided to make my next DVD machine both a recorder and a player.
    >>I'm pretty new to this technology--or it's new to me. (I've had
    >>machines that just play, but never record.) Anything I should know?
    >>Are there different ways to record, some better than others? Anything I
    >>should be on the lookout for/avoid?
    >>
    >>Thanks, all.
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>John

    >
    >
    > Be aware that some record to +R media, whereas others use -R DVDs.
    > Only a few will record to both (but most new recorders will read
    > both).


    What does this mean and which is preferred and why?



    John the newbie...remembering with fondness the old days when the only
    choice was VHS or...VHS (couldn't afford Beta).

    --


    Von Herzen, moge es wieder zu Herzen gehen. --Beethoven
    The Man Behind The Curtain, Jul 29, 2005
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  4. The Man Behind The Curtain

    gaffo Guest

    Charlie Hoffpauir wrote:

    > On Fri, 29 Jul 2005 16:41:07 GMT, The Man Behind The Curtain
    > <> wrote:
    >
    >
    >>I've decided to make my next DVD machine both a recorder and a player.
    >>I'm pretty new to this technology--or it's new to me. (I've had
    >>machines that just play, but never record.) Anything I should know?
    >>Are there different ways to record, some better than others? Anything I
    >>should be on the lookout for/avoid?
    >>
    >>Thanks, all.
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>John

    >
    >
    > Be aware that some record to +R media, whereas others use -R DVDs.
    > Only a few will record to both (but most new recorders will read
    > both). Also, I believe it's much more convenient to have an internal
    > hard drive, of at least 80 MB. There are many opinions on different
    > beands, but the most recorder for your money seems top me to be the
    > Lite-on (or the Ilo as branded for Wal-mart). The Panasonic and Sony
    > are better known, but much more expensive. Any one you choose will
    > allow you to select a recording speed/quality level. Better video is
    > obtained with "fast" recording speed (less minutes video recorded per
    > DVD). Most allow selecting between 1 hr per std DVD and 6 hrs per DVD.
    > Charlie Hoffpauir
    > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~charlieh/





    I bought the ILO last november - works fine so far.

    the one without the hard-drive. works just like a VCR. It will not
    playback - media however.

    I have the 20-buck Desay DVD player for that.

    truth be known - i rarely use the the ILO (it cost 150-bucks). I use the
    Desay, it is more user friedly cost 20-bucks plays both - and + media
    and supports Component connections and Progressive scan.

    .............................

    and I just bought a Optoma H31 (front projection DLP). That 20-buck
    Desay looks at good as that 150 ILO!!





    --

    The jury has the power to bring a verdict in the teeth of both the law
    and the facts.

    Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes, Horning v. District of Columbia, 1920
    gaffo, Jul 30, 2005
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  5. The Man Behind The Curtain

    gaffo Guest

    The Man Behind The Curtain wrote:

    > Charlie Hoffpauir wrote:
    >
    >> On Fri, 29 Jul 2005 16:41:07 GMT, The Man Behind The Curtain
    >> <> wrote:
    >>
    >>
    >>> I've decided to make my next DVD machine both a recorder and a
    >>> player. I'm pretty new to this technology--or it's new to me. (I've
    >>> had machines that just play, but never record.) Anything I should
    >>> know? Are there different ways to record, some better than others?
    >>> Anything I should be on the lookout for/avoid?
    >>>
    >>> Thanks, all.
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> John

    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> Be aware that some record to +R media, whereas others use -R DVDs.
    >> Only a few will record to both (but most new recorders will read
    >> both).

    >
    >
    > What does this mean and which is preferred and why?
    >
    >
    >
    > John the newbie...remembering with fondness the old days when the only
    > choice was VHS or...VHS (couldn't afford Beta).
    >




    basically ther are two DVD recordable disc formats. the DVD-R (it came
    out first about 5-yrs ago) and the DVD+R (it came out 2-yrs ago).

    Newer DVD recoders use + media. The + media has a few advantages which
    the - does not. Namely Multisession support.

    Origianlly all PC-based DVD-roms used + media........though they now
    support - media too.


    ..........................- is fading away, and it looks like the + media
    will eventually be the only type left. Though this is not really
    reilvant since MOST dvd-players will support both types.

    NOTE - I have the ILO and it DOES NOT support the - media.




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    It is presumed, that juries are the best judges of facts; it is, on the
    other hand,presumed that courts are the best judges of law. But still
    both objects are within your power of decision.....you have a right to
    take it upon yourselves to judge of both,and to determine the law as
    well as the fact in controversy.

    Chief Justice John Jay, Georgia v. Brailsford, 1794
    gaffo, Jul 30, 2005
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  6. On Fri, 29 Jul 2005 20:23:55 GMT, The Man Behind The Curtain
    <> wrote:

    >Charlie Hoffpauir wrote:
    >> On Fri, 29 Jul 2005 16:41:07 GMT, The Man Behind The Curtain
    >> <> wrote:
    >>
    >>
    >>>I've decided to make my next DVD machine both a recorder and a player.
    >>>I'm pretty new to this technology--or it's new to me. (I've had
    >>>machines that just play, but never record.) Anything I should know?
    >>>Are there different ways to record, some better than others? Anything I
    >>>should be on the lookout for/avoid?
    >>>
    >>>Thanks, all.
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>John

    >>
    >>
    >> Be aware that some record to +R media, whereas others use -R DVDs.
    >> Only a few will record to both (but most new recorders will read
    >> both).

    >
    >What does this mean and which is preferred and why?
    >
    >

    Some people argue the merits of one over the other. I primarily use +
    media because my ILO will record to + media only. But I've used -
    media on my computer DVD writer, and the ILO will play back that media
    fine also. "Most" new recorders will read either, although many people
    find one works better. I don't think the media type should dictate
    your choice of a recorder.... Go with the recorder you prefer and use
    the media that that recorder uses.


    >
    >John the newbie...remembering with fondness the old days when the only
    >choice was VHS or...VHS (couldn't afford Beta).


    Charlie Hoffpauir
    http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~charlieh/
    Charlie Hoffpauir, Jul 30, 2005
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  7. On Sat, 30 Jul 2005 00:42:42 GMT, gaffo <> wrote:

    >The Man Behind The Curtain wrote:


    >basically ther are two DVD recordable disc formats. the DVD-R (it came
    >out first about 5-yrs ago) and the DVD+R (it came out 2-yrs ago).
    >
    >Newer DVD recoders use + media. The + media has a few advantages which
    >the - does not. Namely Multisession support.
    >
    >Origianlly all PC-based DVD-roms used + media........though they now
    >support - media too.
    >


    I don't have the information to either support these statements or
    contradict them.....
    >
    >.........................- is fading away, and it looks like the + media
    >will eventually be the only type left.


    I find this very doubtful, based on the number of name-brand recorders
    that record only to - media.

    > Though this is not really
    >reilvant since MOST dvd-players will support both types.
    >
    >NOTE - I have the ILO and it DOES NOT support the - media.


    but... I have the ILO DVDRHD04 and it DOES play back the - media, but
    only writes to + media.
    Charlie Hoffpauir
    http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~charlieh/
    Charlie Hoffpauir, Jul 30, 2005
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  8. On Sat, 30 Jul 2005 00:38:10 GMT, gaffo <> wrote:


    >I bought the ILO last november - works fine so far.
    >
    >the one without the hard-drive. works just like a VCR. It will not
    >playback - media however.
    >


    My ILO DVDRHD04 certainly DOES play back - media. I think it likely
    that the non-hard drive model should also. Have you updated your
    firmware? There have been two updates released since I bought my unit
    just a few months ago.

    >I have the 20-buck Desay DVD player for that.
    >
    >truth be known - i rarely use the the ILO (it cost 150-bucks). I use the
    >Desay, it is more user friedly cost 20-bucks plays both - and + media
    >and supports Component connections and Progressive scan.
    >
    >............................
    >
    >and I just bought a Optoma H31 (front projection DLP). That 20-buck
    >Desay looks at good as that 150 ILO!!


    Charlie Hoffpauir
    http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~charlieh/
    Charlie Hoffpauir, Jul 30, 2005
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    Galley Guest

    On Fri, 29 Jul 2005 16:41:07 GMT, The Man Behind The Curtain
    <> spewed forth these words of wisdom:

    >I've decided to make my next DVD machine both a recorder and a player.
    >I'm pretty new to this technology--or it's new to me. (I've had
    >machines that just play, but never record.) Anything I should know?
    >Are there different ways to record, some better than others? Anything I
    >should be on the lookout for/avoid?
    >
    >Thanks, all.
    >
    >
    >
    >John


    The Sony will record to all four formats.

    --
    "I'm not a cool person in real life, but I play one on the Internet"
    Galley
    Galley, Jul 30, 2005
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  10. The Man Behind The Curtain

    Tardis Guest

    Hopefully a helpful and related question. I have DVD+ recorder/player
    (APEx), I have tried to rip/copy the video to my computer harddrive
    but get the message: E:\is not accessible.

    The disk plays in the Recorder/player but not on computer.
    I also found that it doesn't play in my other DVD player.

    Any suggestions as to what I'm doing wrong.

    On Sat, 30 Jul 2005 00:42:42 GMT, gaffo <> wrote:

    >The Man Behind The Curtain wrote:
    >
    >> Charlie Hoffpauir wrote:
    >>
    >>> On Fri, 29 Jul 2005 16:41:07 GMT, The Man Behind The Curtain
    >>> <> wrote:
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>> I've decided to make my next DVD machine both a recorder and a
    >>>> player. I'm pretty new to this technology--or it's new to me. (I've
    >>>> had machines that just play, but never record.) Anything I should
    >>>> know? Are there different ways to record, some better than others?
    >>>> Anything I should be on the lookout for/avoid?
    >>>>
    >>>> Thanks, all.
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> John
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> Be aware that some record to +R media, whereas others use -R DVDs.
    >>> Only a few will record to both (but most new recorders will read
    >>> both).

    >>
    >>
    >> What does this mean and which is preferred and why?
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> John the newbie...remembering with fondness the old days when the only
    >> choice was VHS or...VHS (couldn't afford Beta).
    >>

    >
    >
    >
    >basically ther are two DVD recordable disc formats. the DVD-R (it came
    >out first about 5-yrs ago) and the DVD+R (it came out 2-yrs ago).
    >
    >Newer DVD recoders use + media. The + media has a few advantages which
    >the - does not. Namely Multisession support.
    >
    >Origianlly all PC-based DVD-roms used + media........though they now
    >support - media too.
    >
    >
    >.........................- is fading away, and it looks like the + media
    >will eventually be the only type left. Though this is not really
    >reilvant since MOST dvd-players will support both types.
    >
    >NOTE - I have the ILO and it DOES NOT support the - media.
    Tardis, Jul 30, 2005
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  11. On Sat, 30 Jul 2005 08:09:21 -0400, Tardis <>
    wrote:

    >Hopefully a helpful and related question. I have DVD+ recorder/player
    >(APEx), I have tried to rip/copy the video to my computer harddrive
    >but get the message: E:\is not accessible.
    >
    >The disk plays in the Recorder/player but not on computer.
    >I also found that it doesn't play in my other DVD player.
    >
    >Any suggestions as to what I'm doing wrong.
    >


    Do you have a DVD drive in your computer that supports +R media? Does
    your "other" DVD player support +R media? Has the DVD been
    "finalized"? If a DVD +R is recorded in a DVD recorder, it will play
    back on THAT recorder without being finalized, but to make it
    compatible with other players, it must be finalized.
    Charlie Hoffpauir
    http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~charlieh/
    Charlie Hoffpauir, Jul 30, 2005
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  12. On Sat, 30 Jul 2005 01:45:56 -0400, Galley
    <> wrote:

    >On Fri, 29 Jul 2005 16:41:07 GMT, The Man Behind The Curtain
    ><> spewed forth these words of wisdom:
    >
    >>I've decided to make my next DVD machine both a recorder and a player.
    >>I'm pretty new to this technology--or it's new to me. (I've had
    >>machines that just play, but never record.) Anything I should know?
    >>Are there different ways to record, some better than others? Anything I
    >>should be on the lookout for/avoid?
    >>
    >>Thanks, all.
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>John

    >
    >The Sony will record to all four formats.


    Yes, if money is no object, the Sony is the most versatile.
    Charlie Hoffpauir
    http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~charlieh/
    Charlie Hoffpauir, Jul 30, 2005
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    Guest Guest

    "Charlie Hoffpauir" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > On Fri, 29 Jul 2005 16:41:07 GMT, The Man Behind The Curtain
    > <> wrote:
    >
    >>I've decided to make my next DVD machine both a recorder and a player.
    >>I'm pretty new to this technology--or it's new to me. (I've had
    >>machines that just play, but never record.) Anything I should know?
    >>Are there different ways to record, some better than others? Anything I
    >>should be on the lookout for/avoid?
    >>
    >>Thanks, all.
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>John

    >
    > Be aware that some record to +R media, whereas others use -R DVDs.
    > Only a few will record to both (but most new recorders will read
    > both). Also, I believe it's much more convenient to have an internal
    > hard drive, of at least 80 MB. There are many opinions on different
    > beands, but the most recorder for your money seems top me to be the
    > Lite-on (or the Ilo as branded for Wal-mart). The Panasonic and Sony
    > are better known, but much more expensive. Any one you choose will
    > allow you to select a recording speed/quality level. Better video is
    > obtained with "fast" recording speed (less minutes video recorded per
    > DVD). Most allow selecting between 1 hr per std DVD and 6 hrs per DVD.
    > Charlie Hoffpauir
    > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~charlieh/


    I bought the Lite-On 5045 a month ago. It has everything except DVD-RAM; it
    even has a 160GB hard drive, and the price was right at Costco--$300. But I
    returned it. There were just too many things wrong with it, big things and
    little niggling things, but so many that it just turned out to be unusable.

    The worst problems were: Can't watch a DVD while the hard drive is working,
    tuner has marginal noise performance, remote control doesn't work well.
    Ergonomics are terrible. I'm an engineer, but after 2 weeks of study, I
    still had trouble getting the results I wanted. Front panel display is
    useless unless you're about 6 inches away; it was even difficult to tell
    from a few feet away whether the unit was recording.

    None of these were deal breakers, but added together they spelled "not ready
    for primetime." My guess is that Lite-On is on the right track. They
    simply have to improve their execution, then I'll go back and buy it again.

    Norm Strong
    Guest, Jul 30, 2005
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  14. The Man Behind The Curtain

    gaffo Guest

    Tardis wrote:

    > Hopefully a helpful and related question. I have DVD+ recorder/player
    > (APEx), I have tried to rip/copy the video to my computer harddrive
    > but get the message: E:\is not accessible.
    >
    > The disk plays in the Recorder/player but not on computer.
    > I also found that it doesn't play in my other DVD player.
    >
    > Any suggestions as to what I'm doing wrong.
    >
    > On Sat, 30 Jul 2005 00:42:42 GMT, gaffo <> wrote:
    >
    >
    >>The Man Behind The Curtain wrote:
    >>
    >>
    >>>Charlie Hoffpauir wrote:
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>>On Fri, 29 Jul 2005 16:41:07 GMT, The Man Behind The Curtain
    >>>><> wrote:
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>>I've decided to make my next DVD machine both a recorder and a
    >>>>>player. I'm pretty new to this technology--or it's new to me. (I've
    >>>>>had machines that just play, but never record.) Anything I should
    >>>>>know? Are there different ways to record, some better than others?
    >>>>>Anything I should be on the lookout for/avoid?
    >>>>>
    >>>>>Thanks, all.
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>>John
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>Be aware that some record to +R media, whereas others use -R DVDs.
    >>>>Only a few will record to both (but most new recorders will read
    >>>>both).
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>What does this mean and which is preferred and why?
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>John the newbie...remembering with fondness the old days when the only
    >>>choice was VHS or...VHS (couldn't afford Beta).
    >>>

    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>basically ther are two DVD recordable disc formats. the DVD-R (it came
    >>out first about 5-yrs ago) and the DVD+R (it came out 2-yrs ago).
    >>
    >>Newer DVD recoders use + media. The + media has a few advantages which
    >>the - does not. Namely Multisession support.
    >>
    >>Origianlly all PC-based DVD-roms used + media........though they now
    >>support - media too.
    >>
    >>
    >>.........................- is fading away, and it looks like the + media
    >>will eventually be the only type left. Though this is not really
    >>reilvant since MOST dvd-players will support both types.
    >>
    >>NOTE - I have the ILO and it DOES NOT support the - media.

    >
    >



    charlies post is a good one - about the finalizing of the DVD.

    also not that these first generation DVD recorders all tend to be pretty
    buggy and NOT very compatable with other DVD players.

    My ILO recordings will playback on my PC-DVD-rom, but they are both
    Lite-On units.

    My ILO recodings work on my Desay also. BUT I've seen posts from other
    folks who ahve ILO based recordings with will not playback on Cyberhome
    DVD players............etc............

    There seem to be compatability problems with BOTH the brands of the DVD
    media used and the brands of the DVD players used.


    It the old CDr incompatablilty bullshit all over again!!!!!......it
    will take another 5-yrs to get reliable compatability IMO.


    - let alone data integrity!!!!!!!! - my CDrs of 5-10 yrs ago are
    starting to get "holes" in them and going bad!!

    100 lifespan my arse!

    one out of 30 or so have gone bad. I hear DVDRs are the same way ;-(.

    I suggest you make TWO copies of everything you wish to keep.

    good luck
    --



    The jury has the power to bring a verdict in the teeth of both the law
    and the facts.

    Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes, Horning v. District of Columbia, 1920
    gaffo, Jul 31, 2005
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    gaffo Guest

    Charlie Hoffpauir wrote:

    > On Sat, 30 Jul 2005 00:38:10 GMT, gaffo <> wrote:
    >
    >
    >
    >>I bought the ILO last november - works fine so far.
    >>
    >>the one without the hard-drive. works just like a VCR. It will not
    >>playback - media however.
    >>

    >
    >
    > My ILO DVDRHD04 certainly DOES play back - media. I think it likely
    > that the non-hard drive model should also. Have you updated your
    > firmware? There have been two updates released since I bought my unit
    > just a few months ago.




    no I have not. that would prabably fix it thanks!...........it is a
    little risky though.


    ALSO the - media I have is the Chinese crap TenTech??? or some such. Its
    compatabiltiy is the lowest of all brands (I bought 200 of them for 60
    bucks so cheap).

    It could be my brand of media that is the problem.

    CompUSA had 100-pack of +R media for 40 bucks a few months ago. I use
    that now and the blank -R's are just sitting in a corner for now.

    do you have a handy URL for the ILO units?



    > Charlie Hoffpauir
    > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~charlieh/




    --

    It is not only [the juror's] right, but his duty...to find the verdict
    according to his own best understanding, judgment, and conscience,
    though in direct opposition to the directionof the court.

    John Adams, 1771
    gaffo, Jul 31, 2005
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  16. On Sun, 31 Jul 2005 15:03:18 GMT, gaffo <> wrote:

    <snip>
    >no I have not. that would prabably fix it thanks!...........it is a
    >little risky though.
    >
    >
    >ALSO the - media I have is the Chinese crap TenTech??? or some such. Its
    >compatabiltiy is the lowest of all brands (I bought 200 of them for 60
    >bucks so cheap).
    >
    >It could be my brand of media that is the problem.
    >
    >CompUSA had 100-pack of +R media for 40 bucks a few months ago. I use
    >that now and the blank -R's are just sitting in a corner for now.
    >
    >do you have a handy URL for the ILO units?


    ILO's web site is http://www.ilohelp.com/

    however, there's a "better" update firmware posted at
    http://ncc2315.com/ilo/

    This update is not official, but it makes a couple of improvements to
    your recorder, giving you a 3-hour recording mode, and making your
    recorder "region free". There's also a really good explanation about
    firmware flashing that you should read.

    BTW, I often get Ritek or Verbatim (made by Ritek) 8X DVD+R in 100
    stacks for about $30 on sale, after rebate. Just watch BUY.COM and
    NEWEGG.COM for sales. I've now burned about 160 of these and never had
    a problem. The ILO likes them, and they also work fine in my Lite-on
    DVD burner on my computer.
    Charlie Hoffpauir
    http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~charlieh/
    Charlie Hoffpauir, Jul 31, 2005
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    gaffo Guest

    Charlie Hoffpauir wrote:

    > On Sun, 31 Jul 2005 15:03:18 GMT, gaffo <> wrote:
    >
    > <snip>
    >
    >>no I have not. that would prabably fix it thanks!...........it is a
    >>little risky though.
    >>
    >>
    >>ALSO the - media I have is the Chinese crap TenTech??? or some such. Its
    >>compatabiltiy is the lowest of all brands (I bought 200 of them for 60
    >>bucks so cheap).
    >>
    >>It could be my brand of media that is the problem.
    >>
    >>CompUSA had 100-pack of +R media for 40 bucks a few months ago. I use
    >>that now and the blank -R's are just sitting in a corner for now.
    >>
    >>do you have a handy URL for the ILO units?

    >
    >
    > ILO's web site is http://www.ilohelp.com/
    >
    > however, there's a "better" update firmware posted at
    > http://ncc2315.com/ilo/
    >
    > This update is not official, but it makes a couple of improvements to
    > your recorder, giving you a 3-hour recording mode, and making your
    > recorder "region free". There's also a really good explanation about
    > firmware flashing that you should read.
    >
    > BTW, I often get Ritek or Verbatim (made by Ritek) 8X DVD+R in 100
    > stacks for about $30 on sale, after rebate. Just watch BUY.COM and
    > NEWEGG.COM for sales. I've now burned about 160 of these and never had
    > a problem. The ILO likes them, and they also work fine in my Lite-on
    > DVD burner on my computer.
    > Charlie Hoffpauir
    > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~charlieh/



    thank you Sir! - I shall read up on this!!


    --

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    of the jury to acquit, even if its verdict is contrary to the law as
    given by a judge, and contrary to the evidence...If the jury feels that
    the law under which the defendant is accused is unjust, or that exigent
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    gaffo, Aug 3, 2005
    #17
  18. On Wed, 03 Aug 2005 00:35:14 GMT, gaffo <> wrote:

    >Charlie Hoffpauir wrote:
    >
    >> On Sun, 31 Jul 2005 15:03:18 GMT, gaffo <> wrote:
    >>
    >> <snip>
    >>
    >>>ALSO the - media I have is the Chinese crap TenTech??? or some such. Its
    >>>compatabiltiy is the lowest of all brands (I bought 200 of them for 60
    >>>bucks so cheap).
    >>>
    >>>It could be my brand of media that is the problem.
    >>>
    >>>CompUSA had 100-pack of +R media for 40 bucks a few months ago. I use
    >>>that now and the blank -R's are just sitting in a corner for now.

    >
    >> This update is not official, but it makes a couple of improvements to
    >> your recorder, giving you a 3-hour recording mode, and making your
    >> recorder "region free". There's also a really good explanation about
    >> firmware flashing that you should read.
    >>
    >> BTW, I often get Ritek or Verbatim (made by Ritek) 8X DVD+R in 100
    >> stacks for about $30 on sale, after rebate.


    Ritek/Ridata is made by Ritek, Verbatim is made by Mitsubishi
    Chemicals (MCC) which has no technical or financial connection with
    Ritek. Often one will work better than the other in certain machines.
    In order of quality the consensus seems to be Taiyo Yuden first, then
    MCC,then Ritek, with Princo being the worst.
    http://www.cdfreaks.com/news/12195

    .. Steve ..

    > Just watch BUY.COM and
    >> NEWEGG.COM for sales. I've now burned about 160 of these and never had
    >> a problem. The ILO likes them, and they also work fine in my Lite-on
    >> DVD burner on my computer.
    >> Charlie Hoffpauir
    >> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~charlieh/

    >
    >
    >thank you Sir! - I shall read up on this!!
    Steve(JazzHunter), Aug 3, 2005
    #18
  19. On Wed, 03 Aug 2005 07:26:05 -0400, "Steve(JazzHunter)"
    <> wrote:

    <snip>
    >
    >Ritek/Ridata is made by Ritek, Verbatim is made by Mitsubishi
    >Chemicals (MCC) which has no technical or financial connection with
    >Ritek. Often one will work better than the other in certain machines.
    >In order of quality the consensus seems to be Taiyo Yuden first, then
    >MCC,then Ritek, with Princo being the worst.
    >http://www.cdfreaks.com/news/12195


    Verbatim brands some media made by MCC, some by Ritek, some by CMC and
    some by others. My particular ones are made by Ritek. see
    http://www.videohelp.com/dvdmedia.p...&hits=25&country=&search=Search or List Media

    FWIW, I tend to agree with your order of best to worse, but as I said,
    the Ritek seem to work fine for me.
    Charlie Hoffpauir
    http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~charlieh/
    Charlie Hoffpauir, Aug 3, 2005
    #19
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