Gaming PC for my Brother (UPDATE)

Discussion in 'NZ Computing' started by Craig Sutton, Sep 16, 2004.

  1. Craig Sutton

    Craig Sutton Guest

    How's this looking?

    Code /
    Price Description
    CP00021
    $345.00 CPU: Intel Pentium 4 3.0Ghz Prescott (200x15) 1MB Cache 800Mhz
    Socket 478 CPU + Fan Retail Boxed
    MB00215
    $249.00 Socket 478 Motherboard: Asus P4P800-E Deluxe Socket 478 Motherboard
    MEM03800
    $144.00 DDR RAM Memory Chip: Generic 512MB PC3200 DDR (400Mhz) Memory
    MEM03800
    $144.00 DDR RAM Memory Chip: Generic 512MB PC3200 DDR (400Mhz) Memory
    VC00257
    $615.00 AGP Video Card: MSI GeForce 6800 TD128 128MB AGP Video Card DVI
    Video-Out 8x AGP
    DW00047
    $253.00 IDE Device: Asus DRW-1604P Dual Layer Dual Format (16x+R 4x+RW 16x-R
    4x-RW) (Black) Internal IDEDVD-Writer
    HD06380
    $183.00 Serial ATA Device: Seagate Barracuda 7200.7 Plus 120GB 7200RPM
    Serial ATA150 Hard Disk Drive 8MB Cache
    DD01008
    $22.00 Floppy Disk Drive: Panasonic 3?" Floppy Disk Drive (Black)
    MD01120
    $31.00 PCI Card: Intel PCI Internal 56k V92 Modem
    CS00116
    $94.00 Case: 3R System R202 (Black) Mid-Tower Case 400W PSU
    MN00007
    $416.00 Monitor: Philips 109B Flatscreen (Black) 19" Monitor
    ID00024
    $30.00 Keyboard: Microsoft Basic OEM (Black) Keyboard
    ID00025
    $30.00 Mouse: Microsoft Basic Optical OEM (Black) Mouse
    SW01400
    $272.00 Software Package: Microsoft Windows XP Professional OEM Operating
    System
    PR00018
    $291.00 Printer: Epson Stylus Photo R210 Colour InkJet Printer
    SPK01700
    $88.00 Speaker Package: Genius SW-5.1 Value Surround Speaker System
    $50.00 Assembly
    Order Total $3,257.00
    Price includes GST and delivery

    to upgrade to the AcBel 400W PSU add $63. This brings the Cash priced total
    to $3320 inc GST & Delivery.
    How does $3250 all up sound ?
     
    Craig Sutton, Sep 16, 2004
    #1
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  2. "Craig Sutton" <> wrote in message
    news:cib8k6$v13$...

    Sorry have not read the last few posts in this thread so someone might
    already have said the things below, but anyway:

    > $183.00 Serial ATA Device: Seagate Barracuda 7200.7 Plus 120GB 7200RPM
    > Serial ATA150 Hard Disk Drive 8MB Cache


    If he likes gaming, you might want to go for the 160GB model instead since
    some games are very big these days.

    > $30.00 Mouse: Microsoft Basic Optical OEM (Black) Mouse


    For very little extra you could buy an OEM Microsoft Intellimouse optical
    with a couple of extra buttons - very handy for some games.

    > $272.00 Software Package: Microsoft Windows XP Professional OEM Operating
    > System


    If he will be going to LANs, make sure that you have this fully patched. The
    shop should do this prior to delivery, but it pays to check. You will also
    want to make sure that there is a decent virus scanner on the system and
    that it is fully up to date. Besides which he will need to keep both up to
    date once the machine has been delivered anyway :).

    > $88.00 Speaker Package: Genius SW-5.1 Value Surround Speaker System


    I recommend also getting a headset if the machine has any chance of being
    used at a LAN. You can get a passable Genius headset for under $20.

    Andrew Bryson
    http://www.bryson.co.nz
     
    Andrew Bryson, Sep 16, 2004
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  3. Craig Sutton

    ~misfit~ Guest

    Craig Sutton wrote:
    > How's this looking?
    >
    > Code /
    > Price Description
    > CP00021
    > $345.00 CPU: Intel Pentium 4 3.0Ghz Prescott (200x15) 1MB Cache 800Mhz
    > Socket 478 CPU + Fan Retail Boxed
    > MB00215
    > $249.00 Socket 478 Motherboard: Asus P4P800-E Deluxe Socket 478
    > Motherboard MEM03800
    > $144.00 DDR RAM Memory Chip: Generic 512MB PC3200 DDR (400Mhz) Memory
    > MEM03800
    > $144.00 DDR RAM Memory Chip: Generic 512MB PC3200 DDR (400Mhz) Memory
    > VC00257
    > $615.00 AGP Video Card: MSI GeForce 6800 TD128 128MB AGP Video Card
    > DVI Video-Out 8x AGP
    > DW00047
    > $253.00 IDE Device: Asus DRW-1604P Dual Layer Dual Format (16x+R
    > 4x+RW 16x-R 4x-RW) (Black) Internal IDEDVD-Writer
    > HD06380
    > $183.00 Serial ATA Device: Seagate Barracuda 7200.7 Plus 120GB 7200RPM
    > Serial ATA150 Hard Disk Drive 8MB Cache
    > DD01008
    > $22.00 Floppy Disk Drive: Panasonic 3?" Floppy Disk Drive (Black)
    > MD01120
    > $31.00 PCI Card: Intel PCI Internal 56k V92 Modem
    > CS00116
    > $94.00 Case: 3R System R202 (Black) Mid-Tower Case 400W PSU
    > MN00007
    > $416.00 Monitor: Philips 109B Flatscreen (Black) 19" Monitor
    > ID00024
    > $30.00 Keyboard: Microsoft Basic OEM (Black) Keyboard
    > ID00025
    > $30.00 Mouse: Microsoft Basic Optical OEM (Black) Mouse
    > SW01400
    > $272.00 Software Package: Microsoft Windows XP Professional OEM
    > Operating System
    > PR00018
    > $291.00 Printer: Epson Stylus Photo R210 Colour InkJet Printer
    > SPK01700
    > $88.00 Speaker Package: Genius SW-5.1 Value Surround Speaker System
    > $50.00 Assembly
    > Order Total $3,257.00
    > Price includes GST and delivery
    >
    > to upgrade to the AcBel 400W PSU add $63. This brings the Cash priced
    > total to $3320 inc GST & Delivery.
    > How does $3250 all up sound ?


    Getting the AcBel is definitely a good move. It should all work fine.

    I still reckon you're nuts not to be going AMD/nVidia but that's just my
    opinion.
    --
    ~misfit~
     
    ~misfit~, Sep 16, 2004
    #3
  4. Those speakers are complete and utter shit!

    But the machine will play games very well.

    Steve
     
    Stephen Williams, Sep 16, 2004
    #4
  5. Craig Sutton

    Brendan Guest

    On Thu, 16 Sep 2004 17:33:59 +1200, Craig Sutton wrote:

    > to upgrade to the AcBel 400W PSU add $63. This brings the Cash priced total
    > to $3320 inc GST & Delivery.
    > How does $3250 all up sound ?


    Check the power supply has 20+ amps on the +12 volt line; a lot of stuff
    sucks it down on that line in a modern comp - cpu, drives, fans. And get
    one with a big fan - 120mm - so it's quiet. PFC is more marketing gimmick
    than useful.

    You should go for an AMD based system too.

    --

    .... Brendan

    "Television: chewing gum for the eyes." -- Frank Lloyd Wright

    Note: All my comments are copyright 16/09/2004 7:07:16 p.m. and are opinion only where not otherwise stated and always "to the best of my recollection". www.computerman.orcon.net.nz.


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    Brendan, Sep 16, 2004
    #5
  6. In article <cib8k6$v13$>,
    says...
    > How's this looking?
    >
    > Code /
    > Price Description
    > CP00021
    > $345.00 CPU: Intel Pentium 4 3.0Ghz Prescott (200x15) 1MB Cache 800Mhz
    > Socket 478 CPU + Fan Retail Boxed
    > MB00215
    > $249.00 Socket 478 Motherboard: Asus P4P800-E Deluxe Socket 478 Motherboard
    > MEM03800
    > $144.00 DDR RAM Memory Chip: Generic 512MB PC3200 DDR (400Mhz) Memory
    > MEM03800
    > $144.00 DDR RAM Memory Chip: Generic 512MB PC3200 DDR (400Mhz) Memory
    > VC00257
    > $615.00 AGP Video Card: MSI GeForce 6800 TD128 128MB AGP Video Card DVI
    > Video-Out 8x AGP
    > DW00047
    > $253.00 IDE Device: Asus DRW-1604P Dual Layer Dual Format (16x+R 4x+RW 16x-R
    > 4x-RW) (Black) Internal IDEDVD-Writer
    > HD06380
    > $183.00 Serial ATA Device: Seagate Barracuda 7200.7 Plus 120GB 7200RPM
    > Serial ATA150 Hard Disk Drive 8MB Cache
    > DD01008
    > $22.00 Floppy Disk Drive: Panasonic 3?" Floppy Disk Drive (Black)
    > MD01120
    > $31.00 PCI Card: Intel PCI Internal 56k V92 Modem
    > CS00116
    > $94.00 Case: 3R System R202 (Black) Mid-Tower Case 400W PSU
    > MN00007
    > $416.00 Monitor: Philips 109B Flatscreen (Black) 19" Monitor
    > ID00024
    > $30.00 Keyboard: Microsoft Basic OEM (Black) Keyboard
    > ID00025
    > $30.00 Mouse: Microsoft Basic Optical OEM (Black) Mouse
    > SW01400
    > $272.00 Software Package: Microsoft Windows XP Professional OEM Operating
    > System
    > PR00018
    > $291.00 Printer: Epson Stylus Photo R210 Colour InkJet Printer
    > SPK01700
    > $88.00 Speaker Package: Genius SW-5.1 Value Surround Speaker System
    > $50.00 Assembly
    > Order Total $3,257.00
    > Price includes GST and delivery
    >
    > to upgrade to the AcBel 400W PSU add $63. This brings the Cash priced total
    > to $3320 inc GST & Delivery.
    > How does $3250 all up sound ?
    >

    The speakers sound like crap. Damn PC Gaming is still expensive -
    although this is high end.

    My tip: Check the warranties for all your parts very, very carefully.
    Also you want to find a nice shop that can provide replacements without
    pissing about.

    The sweet spot for hard drive size might be closer to 200GB at the
    moment too.


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    wogers nemesis, Sep 16, 2004
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  7. Craig Sutton

    Pon Guest

    Pon, Sep 16, 2004
    #7
  8. Craig Sutton

    Karen Parker Guest

    On Thu, 16 Sep 2004 17:33:59 +1200, "Craig Sutton" <>
    wrote:

    >How's this looking?
    >
    >Code /
    >Price Description
    >CP00021
    >$345.00 CPU: Intel Pentium 4 3.0Ghz Prescott (200x15) 1MB Cache 800Mhz
    >Socket 478 CPU + Fan Retail Boxed
    >MB00215
    >$249.00 Socket 478 Motherboard: Asus P4P800-E Deluxe Socket 478 Motherboard
    >MEM03800
    >$144.00 DDR RAM Memory Chip: Generic 512MB PC3200 DDR (400Mhz) Memory
    >MEM03800
    >$144.00 DDR RAM Memory Chip: Generic 512MB PC3200 DDR (400Mhz) Memory
    >VC00257
    >$615.00 AGP Video Card: MSI GeForce 6800 TD128 128MB AGP Video Card DVI
    >Video-Out 8x AGP
    >DW00047
    >$253.00 IDE Device: Asus DRW-1604P Dual Layer Dual Format (16x+R 4x+RW 16x-R
    >4x-RW) (Black) Internal IDEDVD-Writer
    >HD06380
    >$183.00 Serial ATA Device: Seagate Barracuda 7200.7 Plus 120GB 7200RPM
    >Serial ATA150 Hard Disk Drive 8MB Cache
    >DD01008
    >$22.00 Floppy Disk Drive: Panasonic 3?" Floppy Disk Drive (Black)
    >MD01120
    >$31.00 PCI Card: Intel PCI Internal 56k V92 Modem
    >CS00116
    >$94.00 Case: 3R System R202 (Black) Mid-Tower Case 400W PSU
    >MN00007
    >$416.00 Monitor: Philips 109B Flatscreen (Black) 19" Monitor
    >ID00024
    >$30.00 Keyboard: Microsoft Basic OEM (Black) Keyboard
    >ID00025
    >$30.00 Mouse: Microsoft Basic Optical OEM (Black) Mouse
    >SW01400
    >$272.00 Software Package: Microsoft Windows XP Professional OEM Operating
    >System
    >PR00018
    >$291.00 Printer: Epson Stylus Photo R210 Colour InkJet Printer
    >SPK01700
    >$88.00 Speaker Package: Genius SW-5.1 Value Surround Speaker System
    >$50.00 Assembly
    >Order Total $3,257.00
    >Price includes GST and delivery
    >
    >to upgrade to the AcBel 400W PSU add $63. This brings the Cash priced total
    >to $3320 inc GST & Delivery.
    >How does $3250 all up sound ?
    >
    >



    Get a better Case & PSU and use Kingmax Rams..
     
    Karen Parker, Sep 16, 2004
    #8
  9. "Karen Parker" <> wrote in message
    news:...

    > Get a better Case & PSU and use Kingmax Rams..


    The case is usually just a matter of personal choice. A better PSU is almost
    always a good idea though :). And Kingmax ram is probably overkill so long
    as the motherboard you have chosen is stable with the ram you have chosen.
    With the recent asus motherboards it is a good idea to get the shop to buy
    the ram from morning star as well as the motherboard since not all generic
    ram will run stably in some of the newer asus boards. That said, I believe
    that the motherboard mentioned runs stably with pretty much any ddr ram :).

    Andrew Bryson
    http://www.bryson.co.nz
     
    Andrew Bryson, Sep 16, 2004
    #9
  10. Craig Sutton

    Tim Guest

    Make sure the shop will guarantee the ram works with the CPU & motherboard.
    If so then don't stress about what RAM you get so long as it also has a good
    warrantee (IE not 1 month, more like 2 years to life).
    Check that you get good S/W with the Asus DVD.
    PSU: same comments as the others IE check it has the grunt.

    If you want a quiet machine, then get a quiet CPU cooler now and don't fit
    the stock one. Regardless check the CPU temps are satisfactory and stable
    under load before handing it over - Prescotts run hot and are easy to get
    wrong in a "small" case. IE make sure there is adequate ventilation. The
    ideal cases for prescotts have a fan inlet in the side of the case that
    provides cool air directly to the CPU.

    What sort of discount are they giving you for all this? Ask for one. Who is
    doing the assembly? If you buy the lot from one shop then let them assemble
    and look for a 3 year warrantee + discount on everything and just sit back
    and take the credit... OEM CPU's for example have only 1 month warrantee -
    they "don't" fail, but you don't also want the risk just for the enjoyment
    of doing the build yourself.

    Regardless, run memtest86 over night when you get it before anything else,
    then only if happy run prime95 to test the CPU is mounted OK and will not
    overheat... and if all is not right, take it back...

    Several things in that list are a tad over "best price" IMHO, so there is
    room for a discount... You don't want to run them out of business -
    warrantee's no use then, but no point in paying for their new porsche
    either.

    2 cents.

    - Tim


    "Craig Sutton" <> wrote in message
    news:cib8k6$v13$...
    > How's this looking?
    >
    > Code /
    > Price Description
    > CP00021
    > $345.00 CPU: Intel Pentium 4 3.0Ghz Prescott (200x15) 1MB Cache 800Mhz
    > Socket 478 CPU + Fan Retail Boxed
    > MB00215
    > $249.00 Socket 478 Motherboard: Asus P4P800-E Deluxe Socket 478
    > Motherboard
    > MEM03800
    > $144.00 DDR RAM Memory Chip: Generic 512MB PC3200 DDR (400Mhz) Memory
    > MEM03800
    > $144.00 DDR RAM Memory Chip: Generic 512MB PC3200 DDR (400Mhz) Memory
    > VC00257
    > $615.00 AGP Video Card: MSI GeForce 6800 TD128 128MB AGP Video Card DVI
    > Video-Out 8x AGP
    > DW00047
    > $253.00 IDE Device: Asus DRW-1604P Dual Layer Dual Format (16x+R 4x+RW
    > 16x-R
    > 4x-RW) (Black) Internal IDEDVD-Writer
    > HD06380
    > $183.00 Serial ATA Device: Seagate Barracuda 7200.7 Plus 120GB 7200RPM
    > Serial ATA150 Hard Disk Drive 8MB Cache
    > DD01008
    > $22.00 Floppy Disk Drive: Panasonic 3?" Floppy Disk Drive (Black)
    > MD01120
    > $31.00 PCI Card: Intel PCI Internal 56k V92 Modem
    > CS00116
    > $94.00 Case: 3R System R202 (Black) Mid-Tower Case 400W PSU
    > MN00007
    > $416.00 Monitor: Philips 109B Flatscreen (Black) 19" Monitor
    > ID00024
    > $30.00 Keyboard: Microsoft Basic OEM (Black) Keyboard
    > ID00025
    > $30.00 Mouse: Microsoft Basic Optical OEM (Black) Mouse
    > SW01400
    > $272.00 Software Package: Microsoft Windows XP Professional OEM Operating
    > System
    > PR00018
    > $291.00 Printer: Epson Stylus Photo R210 Colour InkJet Printer
    > SPK01700
    > $88.00 Speaker Package: Genius SW-5.1 Value Surround Speaker System
    > $50.00 Assembly
    > Order Total $3,257.00
    > Price includes GST and delivery
    >
    > to upgrade to the AcBel 400W PSU add $63. This brings the Cash priced
    > total
    > to $3320 inc GST & Delivery.
    > How does $3250 all up sound ?
    >
    >
    >
     
    Tim, Sep 16, 2004
    #10
  11. Craig Sutton

    ~misfit~ Guest

    Brendan wrote:
    > On Thu, 16 Sep 2004 17:33:59 +1200, Craig Sutton wrote:
    >
    >> to upgrade to the AcBel 400W PSU add $63. This brings the Cash
    >> priced total to $3320 inc GST & Delivery.
    >> How does $3250 all up sound ?

    >
    > Check the power supply has 20+ amps on the +12 volt line; a lot of
    > stuff sucks it down on that line in a modern comp - cpu, drives,
    > fans. And get one with a big fan - 120mm - so it's quiet. PFC is more
    > marketing gimmick than useful.


    That PSU is specced at 16A continous but that is *very* conservative. I'm
    running one myself in this machine and am very happy with it.

    > You should go for an AMD based system too.


    This is an AMD system, nothing but the best here. ;-)
    --
    ~misfit~
     
    ~misfit~, Sep 16, 2004
    #11
  12. "Tim" <> wrote in message news:cibkkh$cfh$...
    > Make sure the shop will guarantee the ram works with the CPU &
    > motherboard.


    If they are building the machine then this is not an issue because of the
    CGA :). Even if they are not building the machine you could make a good
    case that buying all the parts from the same place implies that you are
    probably using them together. I know that when we have people who try to buy
    things at the same time that do not work together we tell them.

    > If so then don't stress about what RAM you get so long as it also has a
    > good warrantee (IE not 1 month, more like 2 years to life).


    Again, the CGA protects people somewhat in this regard :).

    > If you want a quiet machine, then get a quiet CPU cooler now and don't fit
    > the stock one. Regardless check the CPU temps are satisfactory and stable
    > under load before handing it over - Prescotts run hot and are easy to get
    > wrong in a "small" case. IE make sure there is adequate ventilation. The
    > ideal cases for prescotts have a fan inlet in the side of the case that
    > provides cool air directly to the CPU.


    If you are checking it for quietness, also check the noise levels from any
    case fans and from the PSU fans.

    > What sort of discount are they giving you for all this? Ask for one. Who
    > is


    Why would they give a discount? A lot of places sell hardware at almost no
    markup.

    > doing the assembly? If you buy the lot from one shop then let them
    > assemble and look for a 3 year warrantee + discount on everything and just
    > sit back and take the credit... OEM CPU's for example have only 1 month
    > warrantee -


    :|. If you are buying CPUs with only one month warranty I suggest getting a
    better supplier. The shortest warranty on any OEM CPUs we can get is
    something like 2 years (actually I think it is 3 now but I would have to
    check).

    > they "don't" fail, but you don't also want the risk just for the enjoyment
    > of doing the build yourself.


    Oh they fail :p. Not very often, but they do fail.

    > Regardless, run memtest86 over night when you get it before anything else,
    > then only if happy run prime95 to test the CPU is mounted OK and will not
    > overheat... and if all is not right, take it back...


    When running memtest overnight make sure that you enable all tests - the
    default only runs the first 7 and some problems are not picked up by this.

    > Several things in that list are a tad over "best price" IMHO, so there is
    > room for a discount... You don't want to run them out of business -


    Not necessarily - some places will sell some items at less than wholesale
    prices in order to get the customer in the door. It would be unreasonable to
    expect other shops to match prices for every component in the system - you
    would have to compare the price of the system as a whole from each
    particular place.

    > warrantee's no use then, but no point in paying for their new porsche
    > either.


    Some places will simply not give a discount. I know that I have had people
    try to bargain me down on systems before by saying that they can get it
    cheaper from <insert other local shop here>. In every case they still bought
    from us even though I refused to lower the price. Ultimately you have to
    weigh up everything you know about the particular place you are buying from
    and then decide if you are willing to pay the price that they want. If not
    you can either offer them less or go elsewhere. When buying a custom system
    there is a lot more to consider than simply the best price.

    Andrew
     
    Andrew Bryson, Sep 16, 2004
    #12
  13. Craig Sutton

    Craig Sutton Guest

    "Andrew Bryson" <> wrote in message
    news:cT92d.3745$...
    > "Craig Sutton" <> wrote in message
    > news:cib8k6$v13$...
    >
    > Sorry have not read the last few posts in this thread so someone might
    > already have said the things below, but anyway:
    >
    > > $183.00 Serial ATA Device: Seagate Barracuda 7200.7 Plus 120GB 7200RPM
    > > Serial ATA150 Hard Disk Drive 8MB Cache

    >
    > If he likes gaming, you might want to go for the 160GB model instead since
    > some games are very big these days.
    >


    A 120 GIG is fine the $3000 budget has already been blown!


    > > $30.00 Mouse: Microsoft Basic Optical OEM (Black) Mouse

    >
    > For very little extra you could buy an OEM Microsoft Intellimouse optical
    > with a couple of extra buttons - very handy for some games.
    >


    Basic mouse is fine, the thing is where do we stop a few $$ here and there
    and we will hit $3500 which is way over the $3000 he wanted to spend on it.


    > > $272.00 Software Package: Microsoft Windows XP Professional OEM

    Operating
    > > System

    >
    > If he will be going to LANs, make sure that you have this fully patched.

    The
    > shop should do this prior to delivery, but it pays to check. You will also
    > want to make sure that there is a decent virus scanner on the system and
    > that it is fully up to date. Besides which he will need to keep both up to
    > date once the machine has been delivered anyway :).
    >


    The Dealer takes care of all that.


    > > $88.00 Speaker Package: Genius SW-5.1 Value Surround Speaker System

    >
    > I recommend also getting a headset if the machine has any chance of being
    > used at a LAN. You can get a passable Genius headset for under $20.
    >


    The cheap speakers are a compromise due to budget, his pc room is tiny it
    will do the job just fine he can always buy some better ones later oin. As
    for headphones they give him a headache so we ruled out 5.1 headphones.
     
    Craig Sutton, Sep 16, 2004
    #13
  14. Craig Sutton

    Craig Sutton Guest

    "Stephen Williams" <> wrote in message
    news:Exa2d.3765$...
    > Those speakers are complete and utter shit!
    >
    > But the machine will play games very well.
    >

    Yes the speakers are a compromise as in budget anyway his pc room isn't much
    bigger than the average closet so impressive speakers are just a total waste
    of money.
     
    Craig Sutton, Sep 16, 2004
    #14
  15. Craig Sutton

    Craig Sutton Guest

    Craig Sutton, Sep 16, 2004
    #15
  16. Craig Sutton

    Craig Sutton Guest


    > The speakers sound like crap. Damn PC Gaming is still expensive -
    > although this is high end.
    >


    Well the speakers were a compromise in terms of the budget.

    > My tip: Check the warranties for all your parts very, very carefully.
    > Also you want to find a nice shop that can provide replacements without
    > pissing about.
    >


    Paradigm in Wgtn no probs. I have sent back stuff that wasn't up to scratch
    before.

    > The sweet spot for hard drive size might be closer to 200GB at the
    > moment too.
    >


    Have to draw a line somewhere in terms of budget
     
    Craig Sutton, Sep 16, 2004
    #16
  17. Craig Sutton

    Craig Sutton Guest


    > >to upgrade to the AcBel 400W PSU add $63. This brings the Cash priced

    total
    > >to $3320 inc GST & Delivery.
    > >How does $3250 all up sound ?
    > >
    > >

    >
    >
    > Get a better Case & PSU and use Kingmax Rams..
    >


    What is wrong with the case? and ram?
     
    Craig Sutton, Sep 16, 2004
    #17
  18. Craig Sutton

    Craig Sutton Guest

    "Andrew Bryson" <> wrote in message
    news:lvc2d.3780$...
    > "Karen Parker" <> wrote in message
    > news:...
    >
    > > Get a better Case & PSU and use Kingmax Rams..

    >
    > The case is usually just a matter of personal choice. A better PSU is

    almost
    > always a good idea though :). And Kingmax ram is probably overkill so

    long
    > as the motherboard you have chosen is stable with the ram you have chosen.
    > With the recent asus motherboards it is a good idea to get the shop to buy
    > the ram from morning star as well as the motherboard since not all generic
    > ram will run stably in some of the newer asus boards. That said, I believe
    > that the motherboard mentioned runs stably with pretty much any ddr ram

    :).

    Up to the Dealer to sort out during setup / assembly and testing.
     
    Craig Sutton, Sep 16, 2004
    #18
  19. Craig Sutton

    Craig Sutton Guest

    "Tim" <> wrote in message news:cibkkh$cfh$...
    > Make sure the shop will guarantee the ram works with the CPU &

    motherboard.
    > If so then don't stress about what RAM you get so long as it also has a

    good
    > warrantee (IE not 1 month, more like 2 years to life).
    > Check that you get good S/W with the Asus DVD.
    > PSU: same comments as the others IE check it has the grunt.
    >

    All those issues I believe are covered in consumer goods act. This is the
    5th PC I have bought via Paradigm in Wgtn. They pretty much sort out any
    issues I have.


    > If you want a quiet machine, then get a quiet CPU cooler now and don't fit
    > the stock one. Regardless check the CPU temps are satisfactory and stable
    > under load before handing it over - Prescotts run hot and are easy to get
    > wrong in a "small" case. IE make sure there is adequate ventilation. The
    > ideal cases for prescotts have a fan inlet in the side of the case that
    > provides cool air directly to the CPU.
    >


    Not my machine remember and my brother has no issues with pc noise he did
    have an AMD with about 6 fans! The last time I had it at my place removing
    spyware etc and patchng the noise of it drove me nuts. I said how does he
    put up with the noise he said when he's playing games he never notices.

    > What sort of discount are they giving you for all this? Ask for one. Who

    is
    > doing the assembly? If you buy the lot from one shop then let them

    assemble
    > and look for a 3 year warrantee + discount on everything and just sit back
    > and take the credit... OEM CPU's for example have only 1 month warrantee -
    > they "don't" fail, but you don't also want the risk just for the enjoyment
    > of doing the build yourself.
    >


    All being assembled by Paradigm. Did you see this on the end? a discount of
    $70

    "to upgrade to the AcBel 400W PSU add $63. This brings the Cash priced total
    to $3320 inc GST & Delivery.How does $3250 all up sound ?"

    > Regardless, run memtest86 over night when you get it before anything else,
    > then only if happy run prime95 to test the CPU is mounted OK and will not
    > overheat... and if all is not right, take it back...
    >
    > Several things in that list are a tad over "best price" IMHO, so there is
    > room for a discount... You don't want to run them out of business -
    > warrantee's no use then, but no point in paying for their new porsche
    > either.


    Thanks will try my luck
     
    Craig Sutton, Sep 16, 2004
    #19
  20. Tim wrote:
    > If so then don't stress about what RAM you get so long as it also has a good
    > warrantee (IE not 1 month, more like 2 years to life).


    errr, that would be illegal.

    > OEM CPU's for example have only 1 month warrantee -
    > they "don't" fail, but you don't also want the risk just for the enjoyment
    > of doing the build yourself.


    since when? I take it by oem you mean tray CPUs? if so, AMD ones have a
    year, and retail pack ones have three.

    > Regardless, run memtest86 over night when you get it before anything else,
    > then only if happy run prime95 to test the CPU is mounted OK and will not
    > overheat... and if all is not right, take it back...


    yeah ok, but personally I also add 3dMark to that one too, just to sort
    out video hassles too.

    > Several things in that list are a tad over "best price" IMHO, so there is
    > room for a discount... You don't want to run them out of business -
    > warrantee's no use then, but no point in paying for their new porsche
    > either.


    heh, price is by no means the best thing to go by ever.
     
    Dave - Dave.net.nz, Sep 16, 2004
    #20
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