Fraudulent business solicitation on the Internet

Discussion in 'Computer Security' started by francois1@verismall.com, Jul 29, 2006.

  1. Guest

    Advice needed please:

    I've received a friendly e-mail from a group of accountants in the UK
    offering me advice and consultation on establishing a business in the
    UK and Europe.

    After a couple of e-mails I asked them for advice on establishing an
    e-commerce business in the UK or Europe. They have informed me that my
    'case' has been assigned to one of their consultants.

    I am suspiscious as they have not quoted me any fees or hourly rate for
    their services. I believe this to be an internet fraud scam and expect
    them to send me a huge bill for their services that I will not be able
    to pay. They might be working with local attorneys here in South
    Africa as they seem to be targeting local South African business people
    and professionals.

    I am waiting to see now what their next move will be.

    I am not sure who to contact for assistance. (Interpol or the Britsh
    Foreign Office or the British Consul General in Pretoria?)

    Any advice here will be appreciated.

    Thanks

    Francois Terblanche
     
    , Jul 29, 2006
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  2. Ant Guest

    <> wrote:

    > I've received a friendly e-mail from a group of accountants in the UK
    > offering me advice and consultation on establishing a business in the
    > UK and Europe.


    You got spam.

    > After a couple of e-mails I asked them for advice on establishing an
    > e-commerce business in the UK or Europe. They have informed me that my
    > 'case' has been assigned to one of their consultants.


    Why are you responding to spam?

    > I am not sure who to contact for assistance.


    How about the owner of the IP address the email came from (you will
    need to analyse the headers)? Spamming is usually against an ISP's
    acceptable use policy. If enough other people report it as spam, a
    responsible ISP should terminate their account.
     
    Ant, Jul 29, 2006
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  3. Jim Watt Guest

    On 29 Jul 2006 04:59:54 -0700, wrote:

    >I've received a friendly e-mail from a group of accountants in the UK
    >offering me advice and consultation on establishing a business in the
    >UK and Europe.


    post the details. I guess it makes up for all the emails we get from
    Africa.
    --
    Jim Watt
    http://www.gibnet.com
     
    Jim Watt, Jul 29, 2006
    #3
  4. Guest

    Jim Watt wrote:
    > On 29 Jul 2006 04:59:54 -0700, wrote:
    >
    > >I've received a friendly e-mail from a group of accountants in the UK
    > >offering me advice and consultation on establishing a business in the
    > >UK and Europe.

    >
    > post the details. I guess it makes up for all the emails we get from
    > Africa.
    > --
    > Jim Watt
    > http://www.gibnet.com



    Message thread as follows...


    Mike



    Your research is no longer required.



    Francois Terblanche



    -----Original Message-----
    From: Mike Beattie [mailto:]
    Sent: 28 July 2006 09:49 AM
    To: Francois Terblanche
    Cc: Steph Taylor
    Subject: RE: DOING BUSINESS IN THE UK





    Francois



    I will get Steph Taylor who works with me to do some research on this
    for you and we will reply later





    Mike Beattie



    Beattie & Co

    The Old Studio

    High Street

    West Wycombe

    Bucks HP14 3AB UK



    www.jmbt.co.uk

    t +44 (0)1494 525552

    f +44 (0)1494 465277

    e




    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    From: Francois Terblanche [mailto:]
    Sent: 28 July 2006 07:59
    To: Mike Beattie
    Subject: RE: DOING BUSINESS IN THE UK



    Mike



    I would be interested to know what grant are available from the UK / EU
    goverments to set-up and establish an e-commerce venture in the UK /
    Europe. Maybe you can refer me to some websites which contains more
    information on the subject.



    I'll appreciate the help.



    Francois



    -----Original Message-----
    From: Mike Beattie [mailto:]
    Sent: 27 July 2006 02:47 PM
    To: Francois Terblanche
    Subject: RE: DOING BUSINESS IN THE UK



    Francois



    Thanks for that. I will send you mail from time to time and if you have
    any specific question just let me know. I also have quite a lot of
    contacts in Europe and especially France which might be useful so if
    you have any European questions don't hesitate to ask me



    Best wishes







    Mike Beattie



    Beattie & Co

    The Old Studio

    High Street

    West Wycombe

    Bucks HP14 3AB UK



    www.jmbt.co.uk

    t +44 (0)1494 525552

    f +44 (0)1494 465277

    e




    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    From: Francois Terblanche [mailto:]
    Sent: 27 July 2006 13:37
    To: Mike Beattie
    Subject: RE: DOING BUSINESS IN THE UK



    Mike



    Thank-you for the information.



    I've spent 2 years working in the UK (1998-1999) and also used a
    limited company then, so I am familiar using a limited company to
    lessen the tax burden.

    I will also give your contact details to my partner Pierre. Some of
    his clients do business in Europe and the UK and he might find the
    information useful.



    In the mean time also feel free to add a free listing for your website
    to a web directory of mine www.verismall.com



    Will stay in touch.



    Regards.



    Francois



    -----Original Message-----
    From: Mike Beattie [mailto:]
    Sent: 27 July 2006 02:23 PM
    To: Francois Terblanche
    Subject: RE: DOING BUSINESS IN THE UK



    Hello Francois and thanks for your email which arrived whilst I was in
    France on holiday



    I am a Chartered Accountant in the UK so not too familiar with the CIMA
    qualification although we have it here too. You might get better help
    by contacting CIMA direct about this.
    http://www.cimaglobal.com/cps/rde/xchg/live/root.xsl/index.htm



    However it is certainly true that most CIMA people in UK work in big
    companies and not in private practice serving a range of smaller
    clients ( as we do ourselves). Setting up a business in the UK is
    straightforward enough. In most cases I recommend that this is done by
    using a UK limited company. Setting up the company and registering it
    with the tax authorities and dealing with the paperwork for
    directors/shareholders etc would usually cost around £500+VAT.



    A limited company is a good choice as it protects your private assets
    and can help you manage your tax bills (the rates of tax are higher for
    the self employed). A lot of start up businesses are run from home and
    take on staff and premises as they grow. The UK has fairly advanced
    employment protection legislation but it is not nearly as draconian as
    that in France or Germany for example.


    I hope that this helps give you a flavour but if you have any further
    questions please let me know, and look me up if you are in the UK in
    the future



    Regards







    Mike Beattie



    Beattie & Co

    The Old Studio

    High Street

    West Wycombe

    Bucks HP14 3AB UK



    www.jmbt.co.uk

    t +44 (0)1494 525552

    f +44 (0)1494 465277

    e




    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    From: Francois Terblanche [mailto:]
    Sent: 21 July 2006 11:42
    To: Mike Beattie
    Subject: RE: DOING BUSINESS IN THE UK



    Thanks for the e-mail Mike.



    I am a strategic level CIMA student currently and would be interested
    to know what it involves to set up a cost and management accounting
    consulting practice in the UK.

    Maybe you can give me a brief overview.



    Are you aware of any similar practices in the UK or are CIMA's
    generally permanently employed with companies over there?



    Regards



    Francois Terblanche SAIPA

    South African Professional Accountant



    -----Original Message-----
    From: Mike Beattie [mailto:]
    Sent: 21 July 2006 11:39 AM
    Subject: DOING BUSINESS IN THE UK



    I am writing to introduce my firm as accountants who specialise in
    assisting businesses set up in the UK from overseas. We would be very
    happy to assist you and your clients should the need arise. You can
    find out about us by visiting our website at: www.jmbt.co.uk



    Our experience is largely with owner managed companies who want to test
    the UK market without making a huge financial commitment. In a typical
    assignment the client would send a small team of sales people to the UK
    to pioneer the market. We would deal with all the legal and financial
    formalities of setting up here, and then, if required, provide the
    business with a full administrative, legal and financial back up
    throughout its life. The service is individually tailored to cater for
    the needs of clients who can pick and chose the elements they want.



    I have over 20 years experience of this type of work and can promise
    you my personal attention to the needs of your clients.



    We would like to send you information from time to time about our
    services and about developments in the UK which effect business. Would
    you be happy for us to do this, and if so may we have a contact email
    address to use please?



    Should you have any particular questions relating to doing business in
    the UK, I would be happy to share my knowledge and experience with you
    without any commitment on your part.

    Regards



    Mike Beattie



    Beattie & Co

    The Old Studio

    High Street

    West Wycombe

    Bucks HP14 3AB UK



    www.jmbt.co.uk

    t +44 (0)1494 525552

    f +44 (0)1494 465277

    e
     
    , Jul 31, 2006
    #4
  5. Jim Watt Guest

    On 31 Jul 2006 00:05:02 -0700, wrote:

    >> post the details. I guess it makes up for all the emails we get from
    >> Africa.


    The post code and telephone numbers are consistent with a genuine
    address.

    They are listed as auditors in a local online directory

    http://www.touchhemelhempstead.com/business/list/bid/681597

    A quick analysis would be its likely a small one man operation and
    he has been shopping for business. Does not look like a scam
    and the address and contact details are reasonable.

    Not really a computer security issue.
    --
    Jim Watt
    http://www.gibnet.com
     
    Jim Watt, Jul 31, 2006
    #5
  6. Guest

    Jim Watt wrote:
    > On 31 Jul 2006 00:05:02 -0700, wrote:
    >
    > >> post the details. I guess it makes up for all the emails we get from
    > >> Africa.

    >
    > The post code and telephone numbers are consistent with a genuine
    > address.
    >
    > They are listed as auditors in a local online directory
    >
    > http://www.touchhemelhempstead.com/business/list/bid/681597
    >
    > A quick analysis would be its likely a small one man operation and
    > he has been shopping for business. Does not look like a scam
    > and the address and contact details are reasonable.
    >
    > Not really a computer security issue.
    > --
    > Jim Watt
    > http://www.gibnet.com


    Thanks for the help Jim
     
    , Jul 31, 2006
    #6
  7. Guest

    More unsolicited e-mail (spam) recevied from the UK:

    UK & INTERNATIONAL DEBT RECOVERY

    Brookes Bates specialise in Debt Collection worldwide.

    We accept work ranging from single debts to entire ledgers on a No
    Collection, No Fee Basis, irrespective of the age of debt. An
    experienced team is employed working throughout the world.

    Language difficulties are overcome by using one of our team of
    linguists to speak and correspond with your debtor.

    Brookes Bates have traded now for over 17 years and have gained vast
    experience in worldwide debt recovery. We do not bank your funds, your
    debtors are instructed to pay you direct.

    Our rates are very competitive, and our service is diligent and
    effective with a high degree of success. For further information,
    please visit our web site at http://www.worldwide-debt-recovery.com or
    call me on the telephone number below.

    Other Services

    * UK & Worldwide Status Reports.

    I look forward to hearing from you.

    Best regards

    Michael Bates
    Partner
    Brookes Bates Partnership

    7a High Street, Pangbourne, Reading, Berkshire. RG8 7AE UK
    Tel: (+44) (0) 118 9845885
    Fax: (+44) (0) 118 9843052
    Email:
    Web: http://www.worldwide-debt-recovery.com

    Your details have either been supplied to us direct or purchased as an
    opt-in address from a third party data supplier. You are categorised as
    someone wishing to receive information about financial related products
    and services. We never knowingly send correspondence to non-subscribed
    email addresses. If you would prefer not to receive further emailings
    from our company please email with the Subject: Remove
    and list all emails you wish removed. We will ensure your details are
    removed immediately. All information provided by you direct to Brookes
    Bates is never passed on to any third parties.



    wrote:
    > Jim Watt wrote:
    > > On 31 Jul 2006 00:05:02 -0700, wrote:
    > >
    > > >> post the details. I guess it makes up for all the emails we get from
    > > >> Africa.

    > >
    > > The post code and telephone numbers are consistent with a genuine
    > > address.
    > >
    > > They are listed as auditors in a local online directory
    > >
    > > http://www.touchhemelhempstead.com/business/list/bid/681597
    > >
    > > A quick analysis would be its likely a small one man operation and
    > > he has been shopping for business. Does not look like a scam
    > > and the address and contact details are reasonable.
    > >
    > > Not really a computer security issue.
    > > --
    > > Jim Watt
    > > http://www.gibnet.com

    >
    > Thanks for the help Jim
     
    , Aug 15, 2006
    #7
  8. Jim Watt Guest

    On 15 Aug 2006 03:41:11 -0700, wrote:

    >More unsolicited e-mail (spam) recevied from the UK:


    1. UCE althhough a pest does not automatically mean fraud

    2. this newsgroup is about computer security not UCE

    You can report frauds to

    www.early-warning.org.uk

    They may be more interested.

    In the case of genuine companies advertising by unsolicited
    email complain to their ISP.


    --
    Jim Watt
    http://www.gibnet.com
     
    Jim Watt, Aug 15, 2006
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