Floppy disks

Discussion in 'Computer Support' started by Emrys Davies, May 2, 2004.

  1. Emrys Davies

    Emrys Davies Guest

    I have done a search of Google regarding the expected life of a floppy
    disk and its data, but I was not very successful.

    A group of genealogists would like to know the answer.

    Can anyone help please?

    Regards,
    Emrys Davies.
     
    Emrys Davies, May 2, 2004
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  2. Emrys Davies

    one_red_eye Guest

    "Emrys Davies" <> wrote in message
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    > I have done a search of Google regarding the expected life of a floppy
    > disk and its data, but I was not very successful.
    >
    > A group of genealogists would like to know the answer.
    >
    > Can anyone help please?
    >
    > Regards,
    > Emrys Davies.
    >
    >


    Depends on who manufactured the disk.

    --
    I saw Elvis. He sat between
    me and Bigfoot on the UFO.
     
    one_red_eye, May 2, 2004
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  3. Emrys Davies

    Emrys Davies Guest

    Sony, for instance.



    "one_red_eye" <> wrote in message
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    > "Emrys Davies" <> wrote in message
    > news:c72n9e$hl1i9$-berlin.de...
    > > I have done a search of Google regarding the expected life of a

    floppy
    > > disk and its data, but I was not very successful.
    > >
    > > A group of genealogists would like to know the answer.
    > >
    > > Can anyone help please?
    > >
    > > Regards,
    > > Emrys Davies.
    > >
    > >

    >
    > Depends on who manufactured the disk.
    >
    > --
    > I saw Elvis. He sat between
    > me and Bigfoot on the UFO.
    >
    >
     
    Emrys Davies, May 2, 2004
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  4. Emrys Davies

    philo Guest

    "Emrys Davies" <> wrote in message
    news:c72n9e$hl1i9$-berlin.de...
    > I have done a search of Google regarding the expected life of a floppy
    > disk and its data, but I was not very successful.
    >
    > A group of genealogists would like to know the answer.
    >
    > Can anyone help please?
    >
    > Regards,
    > Emrys Davies.
    >
    >


    i've got some that are ten years old or more and still fine...
    but i've seen new ones die in a week.

    although a name brand disk like sony is apt to be good...
    the bottem line is never to trust data to a floppy.

    be sure you have impirtant data saved in several locations
    such as the harddrives of two seperate machines...
    a cd or two burned ...
    and several floppies
     
    philo, May 2, 2004
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  5. Emrys Davies

    Scraggy Guest

    Emrys Davies wrote:
    > I have done a search of Google regarding the expected life of a floppy
    > disk and its data, but I was not very successful.
    >
    > A group of genealogists would like to know the answer.
    >
    > Can anyone help please?
    >
    > Regards,
    > Emrys Davies.


    Though branding may be a factor, my view is that storage is the main one. I
    am still using floppies that came as cover disks on PC magasines in the
    early(1/2) nineties. I also have Maxell & Sony of a similar vintage. They
    are stored in a lidded disk box (70+ capacity) which I believe evens out the
    temperatures somewhat.

    HTH
     
    Scraggy, May 2, 2004
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  6. Emrys Davies

    Toolman Tim Guest

    "philo" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    >
    > "Emrys Davies" <> wrote in message
    > news:c72n9e$hl1i9$-berlin.de...
    > > I have done a search of Google regarding the expected life of a floppy
    > > disk and its data, but I was not very successful.
    > >
    > > A group of genealogists would like to know the answer.
    > >
    > > Can anyone help please?
    > >
    > > Regards,
    > > Emrys Davies.
    > >
    > >

    >
    > i've got some that are ten years old or more and still fine...
    > but i've seen new ones die in a week.
    >
    > although a name brand disk like sony is apt to be good...
    > the bottem line is never to trust data to a floppy.
    >
    > be sure you have impirtant data saved in several locations
    > such as the harddrives of two seperate machines...
    > a cd or two burned ...
    > and several floppies


    Ya got /that/ right...too bad I can't convice the idiots at work of that
    same concept.
     
    Toolman Tim, May 2, 2004
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  7. Emrys Davies wrote:

    > I have done a search of Google regarding the expected life of a floppy
    > disk and its data, but I was not very successful.
    >
    > A group of genealogists would like to know the answer.
    >
    > Can anyone help please?
    >
    > Regards,
    > Emrys Davies.
    >
    >

    Back in the days when hard disks were something that big
    computers had and floppies were used as system disks
    (remember then?), the UK Civil Service had a policy that
    floppies were to be replaced after 3 months daily use,
    "whether they needed to be replaced or not".

    Just for you, I have just dug out a box of backup 160K
    floppies dating back to 1987 and I can still read them.
    I have some older 8" floppies from earlier than that but I
    think the drive is u/s.
     
    =?UTF-8?B?UGFsaW5kcuKYu21l?=, May 2, 2004
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  8. Emrys Davies

    Toolman Tim Guest

    "PalindrĂ¢~»me" <> wrote in message
    news:c737ib$g962p$-berlin.de...
    > Emrys Davies wrote:
    >
    > > I have done a search of Google regarding the expected life of a floppy
    > > disk and its data, but I was not very successful.
    > >
    > > A group of genealogists would like to know the answer.
    > >
    > > Can anyone help please?
    > >
    > > Regards,
    > > Emrys Davies.
    > >
    > >

    > Back in the days when hard disks were something that big
    > computers had and floppies were used as system disks
    > (remember then?), the UK Civil Service had a policy that
    > floppies were to be replaced after 3 months daily use,
    > "whether they needed to be replaced or not"
    >
    > Just for you, I have just dug out a box of backup 160K
    > floppies dating back to 1987 and I can still read them.
    > I have some older 8" floppies from earlier than that but I
    > think the drive is u/s.


    Heh heh ... we just retired our 8" floppy drive unit from the AS/400 last
    month! IBM no longer supports the hardware <g>
     
    Toolman Tim, May 2, 2004
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  9. Emrys Davies

    philo Guest

    "Toolman Tim" <tmayer541_at_charter.invalid> wrote in message
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    > "philo" <> wrote in message
    > news:...
    > >
    > > "Emrys Davies" <> wrote in message
    > > news:c72n9e$hl1i9$-berlin.de...
    > > > I have done a search of Google regarding the expected life of a floppy
    > > > disk and its data, but I was not very successful.
    > > >
    > > > A group of genealogists would like to know the answer.
    > > >
    > > > Can anyone help please?
    > > >
    > > > Regards,
    > > > Emrys Davies.
    > > >
    > > >

    > >
    > > i've got some that are ten years old or more and still fine...
    > > but i've seen new ones die in a week.
    > >
    > > although a name brand disk like sony is apt to be good...
    > > the bottem line is never to trust data to a floppy.
    > >
    > > be sure you have impirtant data saved in several locations
    > > such as the harddrives of two seperate machines...
    > > a cd or two burned ...
    > > and several floppies

    >
    > Ya got /that/ right...too bad I can't convice the idiots at work of that
    > same concept.
    >
    >


    the one's i had that failed right away were from radio shack!

    be sure to give your co-workers plenty of radio shack floppies to put their
    important stuff on !!!!!

    within two weeks, it will all be gone !
     
    philo, May 2, 2004
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  10. Emrys Davies

    John Guest

    In article <c72n9e$hl1i9$-berlin.de>, Emrys Davies
    <> wrote:

    > I have done a search of Google regarding the expected life of a floppy
    > disk and its data, but I was not very successful.
    >
    > A group of genealogists would like to know the answer.


    A floppy disk, probably a couple months. A floppy disk is a large paper
    envelope, 5.25 or 8 inches. The surface of the disk is exposed, and
    protective covers are uncommon, so they are very very easily damaged.
    A diskette (which is 3.5 inches, in a hard plastic shell) kept in a
    totally clean, totally dry container away from all kinds of magnetic
    interference? Maybe a few years. Unfortunately, few people have any
    access to such containers, and almost no one actually uses them.

    So the answer to your question might be phrased as -- you should never
    use them, ever. They are too small, too ineffective, slow, easy to
    damage, store very little, and are well lost to antiquity.

    Use a CD-R instead.
     
    John, May 2, 2004
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  11. Emrys Davies

    Toolman Tim Guest

    "John" <> wrote in message
    news:020520041347092919%...
    > In article <c72n9e$hl1i9$-berlin.de>, Emrys Davies
    > <> wrote:
    >
    > > I have done a search of Google regarding the expected life of a floppy
    > > disk and its data, but I was not very successful.
    > >
    > > A group of genealogists would like to know the answer.

    >
    > A floppy disk, probably a couple months. A floppy disk is a large paper
    > envelope, 5.25 or 8 inches. The surface of the disk is exposed, and
    > protective covers are uncommon, so they are very very easily damaged.
    > A diskette (which is 3.5 inches, in a hard plastic shell) kept in a
    > totally clean, totally dry container away from all kinds of magnetic
    > interference? Maybe a few years. Unfortunately, few people have any
    > access to such containers, and almost no one actually uses them.
    >
    > So the answer to your question might be phrased as -- you should never
    > use them, ever. They are too small, too ineffective, slow, easy to
    > damage, store very little, and are well lost to antiquity.
    >
    > Use a CD-R instead.


    3-1/2" *diskettes* ARE floppy disks. So are 5-1/4" and 8" disks. In fact,
    if it isn't a HARD disk, it's a FLOPPY disk...duh!
     
    Toolman Tim, May 2, 2004
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  12. Emrys Davies

    Plato Guest

    Emrys Davies wrote:
    >
    > I have done a search of Google regarding the expected life of a floppy
    > disk and its data, but I was not very successful.


    Less than a second if you put it in a dirty drive.


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    Plato, May 3, 2004
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  13. Emrys Davies

    Plato Guest

    philo wrote:
    >
    > the bottem line is never to trust data to a floppy.


    ditto. Of course, many folks backup their quickbooks data and such to a
    floppy. Same rule applies tho. You should NOT use the same disk set to
    do your backups. Use a second or third set. Rotate them.



    --
    http://www.bootdisk.com/
     
    Plato, May 3, 2004
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  14. Emrys Davies

    Joevan Guest

    Re: Floppy disks-dicks

    On 3 May 2004 01:12:07 -0500, Plato <|@|.|> wrote:

    >philo wrote:
    >>
    >> the bottem line is never to trust data to a floppy.

    >
    >ditto. Of course, many folks backup their quickbooks data and such to a
    >floppy. Same rule applies tho. You should NOT use the same disk set to
    >do your backups. Use a second or third set. Rotate them.

    How do you rotate floppy dicks?
    joevan
     
    Joevan, May 3, 2004
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  15. Emrys Davies

    Trent SC Guest

    Re: Floppy disks-dicks

    > >> the bottem line is never to trust data to a floppy.
    > >
    > >ditto. Of course, many folks backup their quickbooks data and such to a
    > >floppy. Same rule applies tho. You should NOT use the same disk set to
    > >do your backups. Use a second or third set. Rotate them.

    > How do you rotate floppy dicks?
    > joevan


    Use the floppy from the bottom of the pile, return it to the top of the
    pile. Tomorrow, use the floppy from the bottom of the pile, return it to
    the top of the pile. The day after, use the floppy from the bottom of the
    pile, return it to the top of the pile...
     
    Trent SC, May 3, 2004
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  16. Re: Floppy disks-dicks

    "Trent SC" <> wrote in
    news:fNqlc.38672$Y%9.net:

    >> How do you rotate floppy dicks?
    >> joevan



    Use Viagra.
     
    Sonnsa Beechis, May 4, 2004
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