Federal Policy Changes

Discussion in 'Computer Support' started by garrett.rahm@gmail.com, May 5, 2007.

  1. Guest

    I recently recieved a letter from my ISP in South Dakota (I am a DSL
    user). They stated that due to recent changes in federal policy they
    would have to come and install an update to my computer by May 12,
    2007. If not done by that date, my internet would no longer work.

    Can anyone offer any more information on what this update is? Their
    letter sounds a little suspect - so I am a bit leery. What regulations
    were changed?

    Thanks
    , May 5, 2007
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  2. x@y Guest

    <> wrote in message

    >I recently recieved a letter from my ISP in South Dakota (I am a DSL
    > user). They stated that due to recent changes in federal policy they
    > would have to come and install an update to my computer by May 12,
    > 2007. If not done by that date, my internet would no longer work.
    >
    > Can anyone offer any more information on what this update is? Their
    > letter sounds a little suspect - so I am a bit leery. What regulations
    > were changed?
    >
    > Thanks


    Contact your ISP and ask them, if not happy with the Answer,
    next step is to ask the Federals. As you wrote "Federal Policy"

    "To come and Install an update"??

    Don't let them in, if you are not 100% sure they are from your ISP.

    Good Luck, x@y
    x@y, May 5, 2007
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  3. Whiskers Guest

    On 2007-05-05, <> wrote:
    > I recently recieved a letter from my ISP in South Dakota (I am a DSL
    > user). They stated that due to recent changes in federal policy they
    > would have to come and install an update to my computer by May 12,
    > 2007. If not done by that date, my internet would no longer work.
    >
    > Can anyone offer any more information on what this update is? Their
    > letter sounds a little suspect - so I am a bit leery. What regulations
    > were changed?
    >
    > Thanks


    I don't know how things work in South Dakota, or anywhere else in the USA,
    but that sounds pretty unlikely to me. I'd be surprised if even the Chinese
    government would go that far.

    When you say 'letter' do you mean actual physical paper stuck into an
    envelope and sent via the normal postal service, or do you actually mean
    you've received an email? In either case, can you tell where it really
    came from?

    Have you asked your ISP?

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    Whiskers, May 5, 2007
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  4. GHalleck Guest

    wrote:

    > I recently recieved a letter from my ISP in South Dakota (I am a DSL
    > user). They stated that due to recent changes in federal policy they
    > would have to come and install an update to my computer by May 12,
    > 2007. If not done by that date, my internet would no longer work.
    >
    > Can anyone offer any more information on what this update is? Their
    > letter sounds a little suspect - so I am a bit leery. What regulations
    > were changed?
    >
    > Thanks
    >


    Want to share the contents of the letter from your ISP?
    GHalleck, May 5, 2007
    #4
  5. Guest

    Here are the contents of the letter I received from my ISP:

    Dear James Valley Member:

    Due to recent changes in federal policy, an update needs to be
    performed on your computer. Federal requirements state this update has
    to be completed by May 12, 2007. Your Internet service will not work
    after this date if the update has not been installed.

    Please contact us as soon as possible by calling 611 from your home
    phone to set up an appointment for a technician to come to your home
    and complete the update.

    Sincerely,

    Internet Department
    James Valley Telecommunications
    , May 5, 2007
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  6. jim Guest

    <> wrote in message
    news:...
    >I recently recieved a letter from my ISP in South Dakota (I am a DSL
    > user). They stated that due to recent changes in federal policy they
    > would have to come and install an update to my computer by May 12,
    > 2007. If not done by that date, my internet would no longer work.
    >
    > Can anyone offer any more information on what this update is? Their
    > letter sounds a little suspect - so I am a bit leery. What regulations
    > were changed?
    >
    > Thanks
    >


    Ignore it
    jim
    jim, May 5, 2007
    #6
  7. philo Guest

    <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > I recently recieved a letter from my ISP in South Dakota (I am a DSL
    > user). They stated that due to recent changes in federal policy they
    > would have to come and install an update to my computer by May 12,
    > 2007. If not done by that date, my internet would no longer work.
    >
    > Can anyone offer any more information on what this update is? Their
    > letter sounds a little suspect - so I am a bit leery. What regulations
    > were changed?
    >
    > Thanks
    >



    Major fraud I'm sure...you may want to contact the FBI



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    philo, May 5, 2007
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  8. Sam DeSai Guest

    wrote:

    > Here are the contents of the letter I received from my ISP:
    >
    > Dear James Valley Member:
    >
    > Due to recent changes in federal policy, an update needs to be
    > performed on your computer. Federal requirements state this update has
    > to be completed by May 12, 2007. Your Internet service will not work
    > after this date if the update has not been installed.
    >
    > Please contact us as soon as possible by calling 611 from your home
    > phone to set up an appointment for a technician to come to your home
    > and complete the update.
    >
    > Sincerely,
    >
    > Internet Department
    > James Valley Telecommunications


    Posting just the text is not enough.

    Full headers are required to find the source.

    As it is the web page - http://www.jamesvalley.com/news.html - has no
    information os such a "federal policy" and a fraud is being perpetrated
    and or some other nefarious intent is in-play.

    If it was a "federal policy" then all US ISPs would be affected and the
    news would be all over the 'net already.

    You need to discern the source of this message and take action.

    The full headers of the email is teh start.
    Sam DeSai, May 5, 2007
    #8
  9. Guest

    UPDATE:

    I just contacted the support desk of the ISP, the letter I got from
    them in the mail is legitimate. As it turns out, the tech replied as
    follows:

    Dear User:

    The update that needs to be performed is part of a Federal Government
    compliance that requires everyone to be on a username and password
    based Internet also known as (PPPoE). Basically, if you are
    performing illegal activities via the Internet and James Valley
    Telecommunications was to get subpoena by the government we would have
    an easier way of tracking you. If this update is not performed, your
    Internet service will be impaired.



    Thank You.



    Jason xxxx
    Internet Tech Department
    Northern Valley Communications
    , May 6, 2007
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  10. Sam DeSai Guest

    wrote:

    > UPDATE:
    >
    > I just contacted the support desk of the ISP, the letter I got from
    > them in the mail is legitimate. As it turns out, the tech replied as
    > follows:
    >
    > Dear User:
    >
    > The update that needs to be performed is part of a Federal Government
    > compliance that requires everyone to be on a username and password
    > based Internet also known as (PPPoE). Basically, if you are
    > performing illegal activities via the Internet and James Valley
    > Telecommunications was to get subpoena by the government we would have
    > an easier way of tracking you. If this update is not performed, your
    > Internet service will be impaired.
    >
    > Thank You.
    >
    > Jason xxxx
    > Internet Tech Department
    > Northern Valley Communications


    That's BS. The need to use Point to Point Protocol over Ethernet (PPPoE)
    is NOT a mandate of the Federal Government. There are many ISPs that
    deliver Broadband via DHCP. There is NO Username and Password associated
    with this technology.

    They may want to switch their DSL services to PPPoE based DSL but there is
    no Federal Requirement to do so.

    You should ask them why they are violating FTC regulations which require a
    minimum of 30 days prior notification of changes to a subscription which
    may cause a disruption of the receipt of that subscription.
    Sam DeSai, May 6, 2007
    #10
  11. Evan Platt Guest

    On 5 May 2007 18:09:53 -0700, wrote:

    >UPDATE:
    >
    >I just contacted the support desk of the ISP, the letter I got from
    >them in the mail is legitimate. As it turns out, the tech replied as
    >follows:
    >
    >Dear User:
    >
    >The update that needs to be performed is part of a Federal Government
    >compliance that requires everyone to be on a username and password
    >based Internet also known as (PPPoE). Basically, if you are
    >performing illegal activities via the Internet and James Valley
    >Telecommunications was to get subpoena by the government we would have
    >an easier way of tracking you. If this update is not performed, your
    >Internet service will be impaired.


    What Sam said.

    And I'd say now is a good time to switch ISP's.

    Any ISP that lies about why they're switching you to PPPoE lies about
    other things.

    Regardless, tell them you'll be happy to make the changes, and have
    them call you. There's no need for them to come to your house.
    --
    To reply via e-mail, remove The Obvious from my e-mail address.
    Evan Platt, May 6, 2007
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  12. Jerry Attic Guest

    Sam DeSai <> said in news::

    > wrote:
    >
    >> UPDATE:
    >>
    >> I just contacted the support desk of the ISP, the letter I got from
    >> them in the mail is legitimate. As it turns out, the tech replied as
    >> follows:
    >>
    >> Dear User:
    >>
    >> The update that needs to be performed is part of a Federal Government
    >> compliance that requires everyone to be on a username and password
    >> based Internet also known as (PPPoE). Basically, if you are
    >> performing illegal activities via the Internet and James Valley
    >> Telecommunications was to get subpoena by the government we would
    >> have an easier way of tracking you. If this update is not performed,
    >> your Internet service will be impaired.
    >>
    >> Thank You.
    >>
    >> Jason xxxx
    >> Internet Tech Department
    >> Northern Valley Communications

    >
    > That's BS. The need to use Point to Point Protocol over Ethernet
    > (PPPoE) is NOT a mandate of the Federal Government. There are many
    > ISPs that deliver Broadband via DHCP. There is NO Username and
    > Password associated with this technology.
    >
    > They may want to switch their DSL services to PPPoE based DSL but
    > there is no Federal Requirement to do so.
    >
    > You should ask them why they are violating FTC regulations which
    > require a minimum of 30 days prior notification of changes to a
    > subscription which may cause a disruption of the receipt of that
    > subscription.


    WTF? All DSL uses PPPoE for their protocol. Cable uses TCP/IP, just like
    the rest of the Internet. Northern Valley sounds like a bunch of fuckwits
    and I can't think of a thing they should need to load on your PC. PPPoE
    needs a username and password to log on to begin with. You just may not
    know it.

    Jerry
    Jerry Attic, May 6, 2007
    #12
  13. Jerry Attic wrote:

    >WTF? All DSL uses PPPoE for their protocol.


    Ummm, no.

    > Cable uses TCP/IP, just like
    >the rest of the Internet.


    All Internet connectivity is tcp/ip.


    > Northern Valley sounds like a bunch of fuckwits
    >and I can't think of a thing they should need to load on your PC. PPPoE
    >needs a username and password to log on to begin with. You just may not
    >know it.


    Not true. Mine is DHCP based on the MAC address of the modem, just
    like a cable modem.
    \Fat Tony\ D'Amico, May 6, 2007
    #13
  14. Guest

    wrote:

    >I recently recieved a letter from my ISP in South Dakota (I am a DSL
    >user). They stated that due to recent changes in federal policy they
    >would have to come and install an update to my computer by May 12,
    >2007. If not done by that date, my internet would no longer work.
    >
    >Can anyone offer any more information on what this update is? Their
    >letter sounds a little suspect - so I am a bit leery. What regulations
    >were changed?


    It's bogus, as you would expect it to be listed on their website
    http://tinyurl.com/2u6vxn

    Don't let them touch your computer! If on the slim chance you let them
    into your house.

    FBI was mentioned, local cops are a good choice as well.
    --
    1K Project
    http://www.gametrailers.com/umwatcher.php?id=12321
    , May 6, 2007
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  15. Guest

    , May 6, 2007
    #15
  16. wrote:

    >UPDATE:
    >
    >I just contacted the support desk of the ISP, the letter I got from
    >them in the mail is legitimate. As it turns out, the tech replied as
    >follows:
    >
    >Dear User:
    >
    >The update that needs to be performed is part of a Federal Government
    >compliance that requires everyone to be on a username and password
    >based Internet also known as (PPPoE). Basically, if you are
    >performing illegal activities via the Internet and James Valley
    >Telecommunications was to get subpoena by the government we would have
    >an easier way of tracking you. If this update is not performed, your
    >Internet service will be impaired.
    >



    That is bullshit. DSL providers are switching away from PPPoE, opting
    instead for a MAC address authentication with DHCP.

    Tell them you work during the day - but you are available Sundays
    between 6-7AM. Also, ask them to cite the USC code they are referring
    to, they won't be able to.
    \Fat Tony\ D'Amico, May 6, 2007
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  17. Evan Platt Guest

    On 06 May 2007 03:19:39 GMT, Jerry Attic <0m>
    wrote:

    >WTF? All DSL uses PPPoE for their protocol.


    Wrong. Read up on PPPoE.

    >Cable uses TCP/IP, just like the rest of the Internet.


    Umm.... I guess that's right. Everything uses TCP/IP

    >PPPoE needs a username and password to log on to begin with. You just may not
    >know it.


    Huh?
    --
    To reply via e-mail, remove The Obvious from my e-mail address.
    Evan Platt, May 6, 2007
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  18. GHalleck Guest

    Jerry Attic wrote:

    > Sam DeSai <> said in news::
    >
    >
    >> wrote:
    >>
    >>
    >>>UPDATE:
    >>>
    >>>I just contacted the support desk of the ISP, the letter I got from
    >>>them in the mail is legitimate. As it turns out, the tech replied as
    >>>follows:
    >>>
    >>>Dear User:
    >>>
    >>>The update that needs to be performed is part of a Federal Government
    >>>compliance that requires everyone to be on a username and password
    >>>based Internet also known as (PPPoE). Basically, if you are
    >>>performing illegal activities via the Internet and James Valley
    >>>Telecommunications was to get subpoena by the government we would
    >>>have an easier way of tracking you. If this update is not performed,
    >>>your Internet service will be impaired.
    >>>
    >>>Thank You.
    >>>
    >>>Jason xxxx
    >>>Internet Tech Department
    >>>Northern Valley Communications

    >>
    >>That's BS. The need to use Point to Point Protocol over Ethernet
    >>(PPPoE) is NOT a mandate of the Federal Government. There are many
    >>ISPs that deliver Broadband via DHCP. There is NO Username and
    >>Password associated with this technology.
    >>
    >>They may want to switch their DSL services to PPPoE based DSL but
    >>there is no Federal Requirement to do so.
    >>
    >>You should ask them why they are violating FTC regulations which
    >>require a minimum of 30 days prior notification of changes to a
    >>subscription which may cause a disruption of the receipt of that
    >>subscription.

    >
    >
    > WTF? All DSL uses PPPoE for their protocol. Cable uses TCP/IP, just like
    > the rest of the Internet. Northern Valley sounds like a bunch of fuckwits
    > and I can't think of a thing they should need to load on your PC. PPPoE
    > needs a username and password to log on to begin with. You just may not
    > know it.
    >
    > Jerry


    If the DSL ISP is moving to PPPoE, then there is a regulation that
    requires the username/password login/logoff from PC's. Any changes
    certainly do not need a technician to make an actual housecall or
    tech visit to perform unless they are attempting to obtain more
    information about the user than that which is already available by
    the ISP's monitoring of usage. Maybe it's time to find another ISP,
    move to cable or even fibre-optic.
    GHalleck, May 6, 2007
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  19. Aardvark Guest

    On Sat, 05 May 2007 18:09:53 -0700, garrett.rahm wrote:

    > Thank You.
    >
    >
    >
    > Jason xxxx


    Four kisses? That's a bit overly familiar, don't you think? :)

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    Both Mandriva 2007 and Ubuntu 6.06
    You can have it all. My empire of hurt.
    Aardvark, May 6, 2007
    #19
  20. Frosty Guest

    On Sun, 06 May 2007 00:07:39 -0700 in 24hoursupport.helpdesk GHalleck
    <>, intended to write something
    intelligible, but instead wrote :

    >
    >If the DSL ISP is moving to PPPoE, then there is a regulation that
    >requires the username/password login/logoff from PC's. Any changes
    >certainly do not need a technician to make an actual housecall or
    >tech visit to perform unless they are attempting to obtain more
    >information about the user than that which is already available by
    >the ISP's monitoring of usage. Maybe it's time to find another ISP,
    >move to cable or even fibre-optic.


    From the looks of their website they want to make sure the OP isn't
    looking at dirty pictures or alternative religions.
    Frosty, May 6, 2007
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