Excetional Hang on Start Up

Discussion in 'Computer Support' started by Andrew, Oct 16, 2003.

  1. Andrew

    Andrew Guest

    Just upgraded my sons PC .... new MOBO , AMD 1300 CPU
    40 gig HD 256 RAM re installed Win 98 only problem is that on
    booting gets to Windows 98 splash screen and then hangs for a minute
    or so before moving on to desktop etc.
    My daughters with more or less the same spec loads instantly and mine
    with all my applications loading at start up doesn't take this long.
    Any suggestions as to what causes this and what can be done to speed
    things up.

    Thanks for any help
     
    Andrew, Oct 16, 2003
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  2. Andrew

    °Mike° Guest

    Basic computer maintenance
    http://uk.geocities.com/personel44/maintenance.html

    Download and install Bootlog Examiner
    http://www.blueorbsoft.com/ble/index.html

    Boot the system up and hold the CTRL key. At the DOS
    menu, choose 'Logged (bootlog.txt)'.

    After bootup, run Bootlog Examiner to find where the
    delays are.


    On Thu, 16 Oct 2003 21:05:42 +0100, in
    <>
    Andrew scrawled:

    >Just upgraded my sons PC .... new MOBO , AMD 1300 CPU
    >40 gig HD 256 RAM re installed Win 98 only problem is that on
    >booting gets to Windows 98 splash screen and then hangs for a minute
    >or so before moving on to desktop etc.
    >My daughters with more or less the same spec loads instantly and mine
    >with all my applications loading at start up doesn't take this long.
    >Any suggestions as to what causes this and what can be done to speed
    >things up.
    >
    >Thanks for any help


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    °Mike°, Oct 16, 2003
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  3. Andrew

    Boomer Guest

    °Mike° wrote:

    > Basic computer maintenance
    > http://uk.geocities.com/personel44/maintenance.html
    >
    > Download and install Bootlog Examiner
    > http://www.blueorbsoft.com/ble/index.html
    >
    > Boot the system up and hold the CTRL key. At the DOS
    > menu, choose 'Logged (bootlog.txt)'.
    >
    > After bootup, run Bootlog Examiner to find where the
    > delays are.

    [snip]

    Thank you, Mike. :)

    Great little program. I needed it for a friends computer I have
    here.

    Could you help me with these? Suggestions please. :)
    Windows 98 Compaq Presario 5152

    (Failures Only Shown)

    System Time Proc. Time Process
    ----------- ---------- -------

    15:58:58 0.56 *** LoadFailed = ndis2sup.vxd
    15:59:16 0.56 *** DEVICEINITFAILED = MTRR
    15:59:53 0.56 *** INITCOMPLETEFAILED = SDVXD

    Bootup Time (min.): 01:09
    Total Delays: 7
    Total Failures: 3
    Total Entries: 636

    (Delays Only Shown)

    System Time Proc. Time Process
    ----------- ---------- -------

    15:58:52 *** 1.11 Loading Device =
    C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\CPQIDECD.SYS
    15:58:54 *** 3.00 C:\CPQS\TOOLS\MINIFER2.EXE[000FCD62]
    starting
    15:59:17 *** 1.11 DEVICEINIT = NTKERN
    15:59:27 *** 3.56 DEVICEINIT = VMOUSE
    15:59:34 *** 3.33 Dynamic load device vtdi.386
    15:59:39 *** 1.56 Dynamic load success vnbt.386
    15:59:45 *** 1.78 Initing drvwq117.vxd

    Bootup Time (min.): 01:09
    Total Delays: 7
    Total Failures: 3
    Total Entries: 636



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    Boomer, Oct 16, 2003
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  4. Andrew

    Boomer Guest

    Boomer wrote:

    [snip]
    > Could you help me with these? Suggestions please. :)
    > Windows 98 Compaq Presario 5152


    CPU: 350MHz AMD K6-2
    L2 Cache: 512KB Pipeline Burst
    Standard RAM: 128MB
    Maximum RAM: 384MB
    RAM Speed: 100MHz
    Upgrade RAM Type: SyncDRAM DIMMs
    Hard Drive: 8.0 GB(2) UltraDMA
    Graphics: 2X AGP (133 MHz Accelerated Graphics Port)
    ATI 3D Rage LT Pro (64-bit Hardware Accelerated 3D Graphics)
    4 MB 100 MHz SyncGraphics video memory

    What else might help?



    >
    > (Failures Only Shown)
    >
    > System Time Proc. Time Process
    > ----------- ---------- -------
    >
    > 15:58:58 0.56 *** LoadFailed = ndis2sup.vxd
    > 15:59:16 0.56 *** DEVICEINITFAILED = MTRR
    > 15:59:53 0.56 *** INITCOMPLETEFAILED = SDVXD
    >


    >
    > (Delays Only Shown)
    >
    > System Time Proc. Time Process
    > ----------- ---------- -------
    >
    > 15:58:52 *** 1.11 Loading Device =
    > C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\CPQIDECD.SYS
    > 15:58:54 *** 3.00
    > C:\CPQS\TOOLS\MINIFER2.EXE[000FCD62]
    > starting
    > 15:59:17 *** 1.11 DEVICEINIT = NTKERN
    > 15:59:27 *** 3.56 DEVICEINIT = VMOUSE
    > 15:59:34 *** 3.33 Dynamic load device vtdi.386
    > 15:59:39 *** 1.56 Dynamic load success vnbt.386
    > 15:59:45 *** 1.78 Initing drvwq117.vxd
    >
     
    Boomer, Oct 16, 2003
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  5. Andrew

    °Mike° Guest

    On 16 Oct 2003 21:00:26 GMT, in
    <3f8f06e9$0$177$>
    Boomer scrawled:

    >°Mike° wrote:
    >
    >> Basic computer maintenance
    >> http://uk.geocities.com/personel44/maintenance.html
    >>
    >> Download and install Bootlog Examiner
    >> http://www.blueorbsoft.com/ble/index.html
    >>
    >> Boot the system up and hold the CTRL key. At the DOS
    >> menu, choose 'Logged (bootlog.txt)'.
    >>
    >> After bootup, run Bootlog Examiner to find where the
    >> delays are.

    >[snip]
    >
    >Thank you, Mike. :)


    You're welcome. :)

    >Great little program. I needed it for a friends computer I have
    >here.
    >
    >Could you help me with these? Suggestions please. :)
    >Windows 98 Compaq Presario 5152
    >
    >(Failures Only Shown)
    >
    > System Time Proc. Time Process
    > ----------- ---------- -------
    >
    > 15:58:58 0.56 *** LoadFailed = ndis2sup.vxd
    > 15:59:16 0.56 *** DEVICEINITFAILED = MTRR
    > 15:59:53 0.56 *** INITCOMPLETEFAILED = SDVXD


    These are 'normal failures' in Windows 98.

    Load Failures Listed in the Bootlog.txt File
    http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?kbid=127970

    <snip>

    >(Delays Only Shown)
    >
    > System Time Proc. Time Process
    > ----------- ---------- -------
    >
    > 15:58:52 *** 1.11 Loading Device =
    >C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\CPQIDECD.SYS


    CD-ROM driver. Check if this is being loaded from
    config.sys and autoexec.bat - it shouldn't need to
    be.

    > 15:58:54 *** 3.00 C:\CPQS\TOOLS\MINIFER2.EXE[000FCD62]
    >starting


    From what I could find out, this seem to be loaded from
    autoexec.bat, and is something to do with Compaq Service
    Connection Install. I don't know how important it is.

    > 15:59:17 *** 1.11 DEVICEINIT = NTKERN


    This is only a slight delay, but you could read the following - though
    I don't think it's a problem.

    How To Fix the NTKERN.VXD Device Loader Bug
    http://www.donath.org/Rants/MSTechHorror/

    > 15:59:27 *** 3.56 DEVICEINIT = VMOUSE


    This (mouse driver) delay *could* be related to ntkern, if it's
    a USB mouse.

    > 15:59:34 *** 3.33 Dynamic load device vtdi.386
    > 15:59:39 *** 1.56 Dynamic load success vnbt.386


    Not sure what the above two are, but .386 device drivers are
    old 16 bit drivers.

    > 15:59:45 *** 1.78 Initing drvwq117.vxd


    Seems to be a Seagate driver.

    The good news is that nothing is actually failing, but the
    bad news is I don't know exactly what is causing the
    delays. It may just be down to the peculiarities of that
    particular system.

    <snip>
     
    °Mike°, Oct 16, 2003
    #5
  6. Andrew

    Boomer Guest

    °Mike° wrote:

    > On 16 Oct 2003 21:00:26 GMT, in
    > Boomer scrawled:
    >
    >>°Mike° wrote:

    [snip]
    >>> Download and install Bootlog Examiner
    >>> http://www.blueorbsoft.com/ble/index.html

    [snip]
    >>(Failures Only Shown)
    >>
    >> System Time Proc. Time Process
    >> ----------- ---------- -------
    >>
    >> 15:58:58 0.56 *** LoadFailed = ndis2sup.vxd
    >> 15:59:16 0.56 *** DEVICEINITFAILED = MTRR
    >> 15:59:53 0.56 *** INITCOMPLETEFAILED = SDVXD

    >
    > These are 'normal failures' in Windows 98.
    >
    > Load Failures Listed in the Bootlog.txt File
    > http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?kbid=127970
    >
    > <snip>
    >
    >>(Delays Only Shown)
    >>
    >> System Time Proc. Time Process
    >> ----------- ---------- -------
    >>
    >> 15:58:52 *** 1.11 Loading Device =
    >>C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\CPQIDECD.SYS

    >
    > CD-ROM driver. Check if this is being loaded from
    > config.sys and autoexec.bat - it shouldn't need to
    > be.
    >
    >> 15:58:54 *** 3.00
    >> C:\CPQS\TOOLS\MINIFER2.EXE[000FCD62]
    >>starting

    >
    > From what I could find out, this seem to be loaded from
    > autoexec.bat, and is something to do with Compaq Service
    > Connection Install. I don't know how important it is.
    >
    >> 15:59:17 *** 1.11 DEVICEINIT = NTKERN

    >
    > This is only a slight delay, but you could read the following -
    > though I don't think it's a problem.
    >
    > How To Fix the NTKERN.VXD Device Loader Bug
    > http://www.donath.org/Rants/MSTechHorror/
    >
    >> 15:59:27 *** 3.56 DEVICEINIT = VMOUSE

    >
    > This (mouse driver) delay *could* be related to ntkern, if it's
    > a USB mouse.
    >
    >> 15:59:34 *** 3.33 Dynamic load device vtdi.386
    >> 15:59:39 *** 1.56 Dynamic load success vnbt.386

    >
    > Not sure what the above two are, but .386 device drivers are
    > old 16 bit drivers.
    >
    >> 15:59:45 *** 1.78 Initing drvwq117.vxd

    >
    > Seems to be a Seagate driver.
    >
    > The good news is that nothing is actually failing, but the
    > bad news is I don't know exactly what is causing the
    > delays. It may just be down to the peculiarities of that
    > particular system.
    >
    > <snip>
    >


    Much thanks!! I'll check out the links you gave.
    I was going to dig into all this tomorrow but since you made mention
    of that nifty freeware... I went to work early.

    :)

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    Boomer, Oct 16, 2003
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  7. Andrew

    °Mike° Guest

    On 16 Oct 2003 21:48:37 GMT, in
    <3f8f1233$0$177$>
    Boomer scrawled:

    <snip>

    >Much thanks!! I'll check out the links you gave.
    >I was going to dig into all this tomorrow but since you made mention
    >of that nifty freeware... I went to work early.
    >
    >:)


    You're welcome, and good luck. :)

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    °Mike°, Oct 16, 2003
    #7
  8. Andrew wrote:

    > Just upgraded my sons PC .... new MOBO , AMD 1300 CPU
    > 40 gig HD 256 RAM re installed Win 98 only problem is that on
    > booting gets to Windows 98 splash screen and then hangs for a minute
    > or so before moving on to desktop etc.
    > My daughters with more or less the same spec loads instantly and mine
    > with all my applications loading at start up doesn't take this long.
    > Any suggestions as to what causes this and what can be done to speed
    > things up.
    >
    > Thanks for any help


    Why run a Model T operating system on a Lamborghini computer?
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    gary at donavan dot org / http:// geetee dot donavan dot org
    "The two most abundant things in the universe
    are hydrogen and stupidity." --Harlan Ellison
     
    Gary G. Taylor, Oct 17, 2003
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