Epson Photo R320 - Photoshop CS Color Issue

Discussion in 'Digital Photography' started by Giganews, Nov 27, 2004.

  1. Giganews

    Giganews Guest

    I wonder if anyone has had this problem.

    I'm trying to print to an Epson Stylus Photo R320 using color management
    from Photoshop CS. I'm using the instructions from Epson Print Academy and
    turning off the printers ICM. The prints produced this way are dark with a
    slight green color cast. I have checked to see that the appropriate settings
    for source space and printer space are checked (Source Space = Adobe RGB;
    Printer Space = Stylus Photo R320 Series with Intent = Perceptual and Black
    Point Compensation = checked).

    I am able to get relatively good looking prints using Epson's Color Controls
    settings.

    Any ideas of what I may need to change in order to use Photoshop's color
    management?

    Thanks,

    Rick
    Giganews, Nov 27, 2004
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  2. Giganews

    bmoag Guest

    Do you have an accurate monitor profile? If you do not have a colorimeter,
    like the Spyder, have you done the gamma thing? If there is no printer
    profile the color management system does not work and obviously an accurate
    printer profile can only be obtained with a colorimeter (the $99 spyder is a
    bargain).
    Also in Photoshop check under view/proof setup that monitor RGB is selected
    as you work on your images. It is possible that you are doing your image
    manipulations in the wrong profile space.

    In the Epson driver on the first page select the paper type and set the mode
    radio button to custom. Select print preview.
    Then go the next page of the driver ("paper" on the 1280 driver)4.
    Choose your dpi (at least 1440) and check ICM. All the other selections
    should disppear or grey out.
    When you click the appropriate buttons to print you should get a preview
    that is a reasonable (but not necessarily exact) color approximation of the
    final print.
    It sounds like you are not selecting ICM in the printer driver itself.
    If you see an overwhelming pink cast on the preview then you have applied
    color management more than once in Photoshop and in the printer driver.
    If you understand how to use the Epson driver, selecting "output" rather
    than "color management" in the print preview thing and are getting
    satisfactory results there is no problem printing that way. However once you
    get the color management thing down with Adobe and Epson it is much easier
    to get a reasonably good color balance on the first printing try.
    bmoag, Nov 27, 2004
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  3. Giganews

    John Guest

    "Giganews" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    >I wonder if anyone has had this problem.
    >
    > I'm trying to print to an Epson Stylus Photo R320 using color management
    > from Photoshop CS. I'm using the instructions from Epson Print Academy and
    > turning off the printers ICM. The prints produced this way are dark with a
    > slight green color cast. I have checked to see that the appropriate
    > settings for source space and printer space are checked (Source Space =
    > Adobe RGB; Printer Space = Stylus Photo R320 Series with Intent =
    > Perceptual and Black Point Compensation = checked).
    >
    > I am able to get relatively good looking prints using Epson's Color
    > Controls settings.
    >
    > Any ideas of what I may need to change in order to use Photoshop's color
    > management?
    >


    I'll just chime in with a "me, too". I use the Photo Stylus 900 and believe
    I'm following all the instructions I can find (virtually identical settings
    to yours as above, with ICM checked but "No color adjustment" selected in
    the printer driver) and my results sound almost exactly like yours: a bit
    dark with a slight green cast - acceptable for landscapes or architecture
    but really bad for people (skin tones shot to hell).

    It doesn't help that Epson apparently only made one profile for the Photo
    Stylus 900, whereas you can find gobs of profiles for 890s, 960s, 1280s,
    etc. - while both the 890 and the 1280 (I'd think) should be pretty close in
    profile to my 900, using the ICC profiles for these printers does not
    produce perceptibly better prints than the 900 profile.

    - John
    John, Nov 27, 2004
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  4. John wrote:

    > "Giganews" <> wrote in message
    > news:...
    >
    >>I wonder if anyone has had this problem.
    >>
    >>I'm trying to print to an Epson Stylus Photo R320 using color management
    >>from Photoshop CS. I'm using the instructions from Epson Print Academy and
    >>turning off the printers ICM. The prints produced this way are dark with a
    >>slight green color cast. I have checked to see that the appropriate
    >>settings for source space and printer space are checked (Source Space =
    >>Adobe RGB; Printer Space = Stylus Photo R320 Series with Intent =
    >>Perceptual and Black Point Compensation = checked).
    >>
    >>I am able to get relatively good looking prints using Epson's Color
    >>Controls settings.
    >>
    >>Any ideas of what I may need to change in order to use Photoshop's color
    >>management?
    >>

    >
    >
    > I'll just chime in with a "me, too". I use the Photo Stylus 900 and believe
    > I'm following all the instructions I can find (virtually identical settings
    > to yours as above, with ICM checked but "No color adjustment" selected in
    > the printer driver) and my results sound almost exactly like yours: a bit
    > dark with a slight green cast - acceptable for landscapes or architecture
    > but really bad for people (skin tones shot to hell).
    >
    > It doesn't help that Epson apparently only made one profile for the Photo
    > Stylus 900, whereas you can find gobs of profiles for 890s, 960s, 1280s,
    > etc. - while both the 890 and the 1280 (I'd think) should be pretty close in
    > profile to my 900, using the ICC profiles for these printers does not
    > produce perceptibly better prints than the 900 profile.
    >

    What paper are you using? Some papers have icc Profiles, which are great
    if you can find them.

    The instructions for Ilford's Classic Pearl work well on a Mac with the
    R300, and are very well written, so I suspect the Windows instructions
    will be clear as well. On the Mac version, they make a point of saying
    be sure the color correction button in the driver dialogue is unchecked.

    --
    John McWilliams
    John McWilliams, Nov 28, 2004
    #4
  5. Giganews

    Ryadia Guest

    "Giganews" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > I wonder if anyone has had this problem.
    >
    > I'm trying to print to an Epson Stylus Photo R320 using color management
    > from Photoshop CS. I'm using the instructions from Epson Print Academy and
    > turning off the printers ICM. The prints produced this way are dark with a
    > slight green color cast. I have checked to see that the appropriate

    settings
    > for source space and printer space are checked (Source Space = Adobe RGB;
    > Printer Space = Stylus Photo R320 Series with Intent = Perceptual and

    Black
    > Point Compensation = checked).
    >
    > I am able to get relatively good looking prints using Epson's Color

    Controls
    > settings.
    >
    > Any ideas of what I may need to change in order to use Photoshop's color
    > management?
    >
    > Thanks,
    >
    > Rick
    >

    Interesting thing about that particular printer is the instructions from
    Epson don't work! Well, they don't work for me. I found letting the printer
    manage the colour was the only way I could get it happening. In fact I have
    a Postscript laser, a HP designjet and a r310 on my PC. The only printer I
    can absolutely rely on is the HP but since I let the printer manage colour,
    I've had good results from the Epson. Here's how you do it.

    Under file go the print with preview and tick the box "show more options".
    In the print space it probably says "same as source". If it does, change it
    to "printer colour management".
    If you get a decent print then, you can easiely substutute Epson's ICC paper
    profiles for the printer colour management and turn off the printer's colour
    management. Otherwise, let the printer manage colour.
    Ryadia, Nov 28, 2004
    #5
  6. Giganews

    Giganews Guest

    "John McWilliams" <> wrote in message
    news:Bxeqd.678604$8_6.209232@attbi_s04...
    > John wrote:
    >
    >> "Giganews" <> wrote in message
    >> news:...
    >>
    >>>I wonder if anyone has had this problem.
    >>>
    >>>I'm trying to print to an Epson Stylus Photo R320 using color management
    >>>from Photoshop CS. I'm using the instructions from Epson Print Academy
    >>>and turning off the printers ICM. The prints produced this way are dark
    >>>with a slight green color cast. I have checked to see that the
    >>>appropriate settings for source space and printer space are checked
    >>>(Source Space = Adobe RGB; Printer Space = Stylus Photo R320 Series with
    >>>Intent = Perceptual and Black Point Compensation = checked).
    >>>
    >>>I am able to get relatively good looking prints using Epson's Color
    >>>Controls settings.
    >>>
    >>>Any ideas of what I may need to change in order to use Photoshop's color
    >>>management?
    >>>

    >>
    >>
    >> I'll just chime in with a "me, too". I use the Photo Stylus 900 and
    >> believe I'm following all the instructions I can find (virtually
    >> identical settings to yours as above, with ICM checked but "No color
    >> adjustment" selected in the printer driver) and my results sound almost
    >> exactly like yours: a bit dark with a slight green cast - acceptable for
    >> landscapes or architecture but really bad for people (skin tones shot to
    >> hell).
    >>
    >> It doesn't help that Epson apparently only made one profile for the Photo
    >> Stylus 900, whereas you can find gobs of profiles for 890s, 960s, 1280s,
    >> etc. - while both the 890 and the 1280 (I'd think) should be pretty close
    >> in profile to my 900, using the ICC profiles for these printers does not
    >> produce perceptibly better prints than the 900 profile.
    >>

    > What paper are you using? Some papers have icc Profiles, which are great
    > if you can find them.
    >
    > The instructions for Ilford's Classic Pearl work well on a Mac with the
    > R300, and are very well written, so I suspect the Windows instructions
    > will be clear as well. On the Mac version, they make a point of saying be
    > sure the color correction button in the driver dialogue is unchecked.
    >
    > --
    > John McWilliams


    Many thanks to all who have responded.

    The above, re: Ilford paper: I'm using Ilford Gallerie Smooth Gloss. It
    might be the culprit, but I'm leaning more towards something I'm doing wrong
    in Photoshop.

    Regards,

    Rick
    Giganews, Nov 28, 2004
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  7. Giganews

    Giganews Guest

    "Ryadia" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    >
    > "Giganews" <> wrote in message
    > news:...
    >> I wonder if anyone has had this problem.
    >>
    >> I'm trying to print to an Epson Stylus Photo R320 using color management
    >> from Photoshop CS. I'm using the instructions from Epson Print Academy
    >> and
    >> turning off the printers ICM. The prints produced this way are dark with
    >> a
    >> slight green color cast. I have checked to see that the appropriate

    > settings
    >> for source space and printer space are checked (Source Space = Adobe RGB;
    >> Printer Space = Stylus Photo R320 Series with Intent = Perceptual and

    > Black
    >> Point Compensation = checked).
    >>
    >> I am able to get relatively good looking prints using Epson's Color

    > Controls
    >> settings.
    >>
    >> Any ideas of what I may need to change in order to use Photoshop's color
    >> management?
    >>
    >> Thanks,
    >>
    >> Rick
    >>

    > Interesting thing about that particular printer is the instructions from
    > Epson don't work! Well, they don't work for me. I found letting the
    > printer
    > manage the colour was the only way I could get it happening. In fact I
    > have
    > a Postscript laser, a HP designjet and a r310 on my PC. The only printer I
    > can absolutely rely on is the HP but since I let the printer manage
    > colour,
    > I've had good results from the Epson. Here's how you do it.
    >
    > Under file go the print with preview and tick the box "show more options".
    > In the print space it probably says "same as source". If it does, change
    > it
    > to "printer colour management".
    > If you get a decent print then, you can easiely substutute Epson's ICC
    > paper
    > profiles for the printer colour management and turn off the printer's
    > colour
    > management. Otherwise, let the printer manage colour.
    >
    >


    Many thanks!

    I downloaded the printer paper profile from Ilford's website, and this seems
    to have eliminated the problem. FYI: I'm using Ilford's Gallerie Smooth
    Gloss paper. The paper/printer ICC profile on the website is written for
    Epson's R300 printer, but seems to work well on my R320. The file name is
    SmoothGloss.ER300W.zip.

    In Photoshop, the settings for color management are:

    Source Space = Document Adobe RGB
    Print Space = IGSGP9_ER300PGPP_0804v02.icc
    Intent = Relative Colormetric
    Use Black Point Compensation = checked

    In the Epson printer properties the ICM box is checked (do not use ICM)

    My guess is that the specific printer/paper profile has a huge impact on the
    process. I plan on trying this with the Epson and other papers.

    Again, thanks for the input.

    Rick
    Giganews, Nov 28, 2004
    #7
  8. In article <>, Giganews wrote:
    > I wonder if anyone has had this problem.
    >
    > I'm trying to print to an Epson Stylus Photo R320 using color management
    > from Photoshop CS. I'm using the instructions from Epson Print Academy and
    > turning off the printers ICM. The prints produced this way are dark with a
    > slight green color cast. I have checked to see that the appropriate settings
    > for source space and printer space are checked (Source Space = Adobe RGB;
    > Printer Space = Stylus Photo R320 Series with Intent = Perceptual and Black
    > Point Compensation = checked).
    >
    > I am able to get relatively good looking prints using Epson's Color Controls
    > settings.
    >
    > Any ideas of what I may need to change in order to use Photoshop's color
    > management?


    I have the RX500 (all-in-one version), and I get very good output.
    If the prints are way too dark, you apply far too much ink for the
    paper.

    MyIlford paper say to select Overhead Transparencies rather than
    Photo paper to get as thin a layer of ink as possible. I select
    ICM and no color adjustments in the printer driver. The preview
    looks very bad, and far too bright, but it is perfect on paper.

    In Photoshop I select some RX500 profile, the one for transparencied
    or most expensive photo paper.

    --
    Povl H. Pedersen - (yes - it works)
    Fastnet - IP telefoni: 5 kr/md Se http://www.musimi.dk
    Povl H. Pedersen, Nov 28, 2004
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  9. Giganews wrote:

    > "John McWilliams" <> wrote in message
    > news:Bxeqd.678604$8_6.209232@attbi_s04...


    >>
    >>The instructions for Ilford's Classic Pearl work well on a Mac with the
    >>R300, and are very well written, so I suspect the Windows instructions
    >>will be clear as well. On the Mac version, they make a point of saying be
    >>sure the color correction button in the driver dialogue is unchecked.
    >>

    << Snipped bits out >>
    > Many thanks to all who have responded.
    >
    > The above, re: Ilford paper: I'm using Ilford Gallerie Smooth Gloss. It
    > might be the culprit, but I'm leaning more towards something I'm doing wrong
    > in Photoshop.



    The instructions that come with all the Ilford papers that I looked at
    are superb, and may help out a lot.

    I just set up a new computer, and ran a test strip on a few images in a
    contact sheet. All too dark! Then I slapped my forehead, went in to PS
    CS and set up the Ilford profile as I had done the previous day on my
    now backup computer, calibrated the monitor by hand (easy to do on Mac),
    made no changes to the images, and they printed perfectly. At least as
    perfectly as I am able to do at this point.

    Good luck!

    John McWilliams
    John McWilliams, Nov 28, 2004
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