DVD Verdict reviews: NIP/TUCK: THE COMPLETE SECOND SEASON and more!

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    Today, DVD Verdict posted reviews of AFTERMATH: UNANSWERED QUESTIONS
    FROM 9/11, BIG ALLIGATOR RIVER, CLEVELAND IN MY DREAMS, FEMI KUTI: LIVE
    AT THE SHRINE: DELUXE EDITION DVD + LIVE CD, GIRLS NITE OUT, JACK
    O'LANTERN, LAW AND ORDER: SPECIAL VICTIM'S UNIT: THE SECOND YEAR,
    MIDNIGHT, NIP/TUCK: THE COMPLETE SECOND SEASON, PINOCCHIO'S REVENGE, and
    THE WORK OF DIRECTOR STEPHANE SEDNAOUI:


    AFTERMATH: UNANSWERED QUESTIONS FROM 9/11 (reviewed by Jeff Andreasen,
    overall score 65/100):
    "Aftermath: Unanswered Questions from 9/11, produced by the Guerrilla
    News Network (GNN), is not 60 Minutes...and that's a good thing."

    FULL REVIEW: http://www.dvdverdict.com/reviews/aftermath911.php

    BIG ALLIGATOR RIVER (reviewed by Rob Lineberger, overall score 55/100):
    "If you have a rowdy gang of schlock appreciators and a case of beer
    handy, Big Alligator River offers copious opportunity for even the least
    witty to get in a good zinger. "

    FULL REVIEW: http://www.dvdverdict.com/reviews/bigalligatorriver.php

    CLEVELAND IN MY DREAMS (reviewed by Bill Gibron, overall score 80/100):
    "While it comes off like an overlong joke (the twist ending is nothing
    more than an overblown punchline, down to the delivery) and contains
    more than a few narrative miscues, the results are still enjoyable and
    engaging."

    FULL REVIEW: http://www.dvdverdict.com/reviews/clevelandinmydreams.php

    FEMI KUTI: LIVE AT THE SHRINE: DELUXE EDITION DVD + LIVE CD (reviewed by
    Adam Arseneau, overall score 90/100):
    "The Shrine seems an amazing place both of music and of political change
    and, short of a sojourn to Nigeria, this DVD will no doubt be as close
    as most people come to touching something truly revolutionary, in the
    literal sense of the word."

    FULL REVIEW: http://www.dvdverdict.com/reviews/femikutilive.php

    GIRLS NITE OUT (reviewed by Mitchell Hattaway, overall score 45/100):
    "What is this, a slasher flick for kindergarteners?"

    FULL REVIEW: http://www.dvdverdict.com/reviews/girlsniteout.php

    JACK O'LANTERN (reviewed by David Johnson, overall score 50/100):
    "I'm grasping wildly to the few remaining, functioning brain cells I
    have left in the old cerebral cortex after suffering through this
    horrible movie, and fear if I were to write a full review, the surviving
    gray matter will fizzle and die and I'll end up catatonic. So I hereby
    relinquish my reviewing responsibility for Jack O'Lantern to special
    guest judge, Carl the Nordic Houseplant."

    FULL REVIEW: http://www.dvdverdict.com/reviews/jackolantern.php

    LAW AND ORDER: SPECIAL VICTIM'S UNIT: THE SECOND YEAR (reviewed by David
    Gutierrez, overall score 92/100):
    "Definitely the darkest of the four Law & Order shows, SVU
    challenges the established L&O formula, while delving into areas the
    other shows will not."

    FULL REVIEW: http://www.dvdverdict.com/reviews/losvuy2ndyear.php

    MIDNIGHT (reviewed by David Johnson, overall score 82/100):
    "The plot is as simple as you can get -- woman terrorized by nutbags --
    and the production values are simplistic. But man if it didn't kind of
    creep the crap out of me."

    FULL REVIEW: http://www.dvdverdict.com/reviews/midnight1982.php

    NIP/TUCK: THE COMPLETE SECOND SEASON (reviewed by David Gutierrez,
    overall score 80/100):
    "Don't expect Shakespeare. Nip/Tuck is at its best when it motors off,
    never stopping to breath. It's a soap opera on speed, plain and simple.
    It's excessive, fantastic, and engaging."

    FULL REVIEW: http://www.dvdverdict.com/reviews/niptuckseason2.php

    PINOCCHIO'S REVENGE (reviewed by David Johnson, overall score 68/100):
    "For a vengeful, evil anthropomorphic puppet, Pinocchio is
    surprisingly restrained; he doesn't even commit his first homicide
    until late in the film."

    FULL REVIEW: http://www.dvdverdict.com/reviews/pinocchiosrevenge.php

    THE WORK OF DIRECTOR STEPHANE SEDNAOUI (reviewed by Bill Gibron, overall
    score 90/100):
    "There are many highlights in this collection, standout clips that
    create their own private universe of performance and potency. It is hard
    not to like what Tricky is turned into at the hands of Sednaoui."

    FULL REVIEW: http://www.dvdverdict.com/reviews/stephanesednaoui.php

    Mike Jackson
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    DVD Verdict, Oct 15, 2005
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    Stan Brown, Oct 15, 2005
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    Frank Sereno Guest

    Re: DVD Verdict reviews: NIP/TUCK: THE COMPLETE SECOND SEASON andmore!

    DVD Verdict wrote:

    > Today, DVD Verdict posted reviews of AFTERMATH: UNANSWERED QUESTIONS
    > FROM 9/11, BIG ALLIGATOR RIVER, CLEVELAND IN MY DREAMS, FEMI KUTI: LIVE
    > AT THE SHRINE: DELUXE EDITION DVD + LIVE CD, GIRLS NITE OUT, JACK
    > O'LANTERN, LAW AND ORDER: SPECIAL VICTIM'S UNIT: THE SECOND YEAR,
    > MIDNIGHT, NIP/TUCK: THE COMPLETE SECOND SEASON, PINOCCHIO'S REVENGE, and
    > THE WORK OF DIRECTOR STEPHANE SEDNAOUI:
    >


    > NIP/TUCK: THE COMPLETE SECOND SEASON (reviewed by David Gutierrez,
    > overall score 80/100):
    > "Don't expect Shakespeare. Nip/Tuck is at its best when it motors off,
    > never stopping to breath. It's a soap opera on speed, plain and simple.
    > It's excessive, fantastic, and engaging."
    >
    > FULL REVIEW: http://www.dvdverdict.com/reviews/niptuckseason2.php


    I don't know about other folks, but if something receives an 80 out of
    100 score, that should mean that the show is fairly good in the view of
    the reviewer. But when you read the full review, he didn't like the
    series all that much, giving the story a score of 60.

    I think the score for the meat of a DVD, the actual show or movie,
    should make up the bulk of its review score. Rating extras, video
    transfer, etc., is good, but are less important than the show itself.

    I do have to agree with the judge that the show is well acted. But I
    quickly gave up on Nip/Tuck in season two as there were no characters
    that I could identify with or sympathize with in any way. There was
    nobody to root for or to admire no matter how skillfully the actors
    portrayed these fatally flawed characters. I found very difficult to
    watch a show centered on very selfish people.
    Frank Sereno, Oct 16, 2005
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  4. "Frank Sereno" <> wrote in message
    news:mAj4f.476$W%...
    > I don't know about other folks, but if something receives an 80 out of 100
    > score, that should mean that the show is fairly good in the view of the
    > reviewer. But when you read the full review, he didn't like the series
    > all that much, giving the story a score of 60.
    >
    > I think the score for the meat of a DVD, the actual show or movie, should
    > make up the bulk of its review score. Rating extras, video transfer,
    > etc., is good, but are less important than the show itself.
    >


    Actually, I'd disagree with you there. Generally, if I buy a DVD, it's
    because I've already seen the movie (probably a few times,) and I read the
    reviews to find out how good the DVD presentation is.
    Besides which, the quality of a movie can be such a subjective thing. The
    quality of a DVD, however, is something which people generally tend to agree
    on.
    The Man With No Name, Oct 16, 2005
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    Stan Brown Guest

    Re: DVD Verdict reviews: NIP/TUCK: THE COMPLETE SECOND SEASON and more!

    Dateline Sun, 16 Oct 2005 03:14:26 GMT from Frank Sereno
    <>:
    > I do have to agree with the judge that the show is well acted. But I
    > quickly gave up on Nip/Tuck in season two as there were no characters
    > that I could identify with or sympathize with in any way. There was
    > nobody to root for or to admire no matter how skillfully the actors
    > portrayed these fatally flawed characters. I found very difficult to
    > watch a show centered on very selfish people.


    Not to argue with your personal taste, but how did you feel about
    /Seinfeld/? That was a show about people AT LEAST as self-absorbed
    and selfish as those in /Nip/Tuck/? Did you give up on /Seinfeld/
    too, or if not, what made the difference?

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    Stan Brown, Oct 16, 2005
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  6. Frank Sereno <> wrote:

    >I think the score for the meat of a DVD, the actual show or movie,
    >should make up the bulk of its review score. Rating extras, video
    >transfer, etc., is good, but are less important than the show itself.


    I never care about what a DVD reviewer says about the show or movie content.
    I wish they'd all shut up about it and give up the idea that they'll be the
    next Ebert. By the time something makes it to DVD, I either know what it's
    about or I don't care. What I do care about is how well the DVD itself is
    made. Technical issues and special content are all I care to read about.
    Kimba W. Lion, Oct 16, 2005
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    Joshua Zyber Guest

    "Kimba W. Lion" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > I never care about what a DVD reviewer says about the show or movie
    > content.
    > I wish they'd all shut up about it and give up the idea that they'll
    > be the
    > next Ebert. By the time something makes it to DVD, I either know what
    > it's
    > about or I don't care. What I do care about is how well the DVD itself
    > is
    > made. Technical issues and special content are all I care to read
    > about.


    Here's a revolutionary idea: Why don't you just skip down to those
    clearly marked sections of the review? You don't *have* to read the
    whole thing if you don't want to.

    Whoa, did I just like totally blow your mind, dude?
    Joshua Zyber, Oct 16, 2005
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    Justin Guest

    Frank Sereno wrote on [Sun, 16 Oct 2005 03:14:26 GMT]:
    >
    >
    > DVD Verdict wrote:
    >
    >> Today, DVD Verdict posted reviews of AFTERMATH: UNANSWERED QUESTIONS
    >> FROM 9/11, BIG ALLIGATOR RIVER, CLEVELAND IN MY DREAMS, FEMI KUTI: LIVE
    >> AT THE SHRINE: DELUXE EDITION DVD + LIVE CD, GIRLS NITE OUT, JACK
    >> O'LANTERN, LAW AND ORDER: SPECIAL VICTIM'S UNIT: THE SECOND YEAR,
    >> MIDNIGHT, NIP/TUCK: THE COMPLETE SECOND SEASON, PINOCCHIO'S REVENGE, and
    >> THE WORK OF DIRECTOR STEPHANE SEDNAOUI:
    >>

    >
    >> NIP/TUCK: THE COMPLETE SECOND SEASON (reviewed by David Gutierrez,
    >> overall score 80/100):
    >> "Don't expect Shakespeare. Nip/Tuck is at its best when it motors off,
    >> never stopping to breath. It's a soap opera on speed, plain and simple.
    >> It's excessive, fantastic, and engaging."
    >>
    >> FULL REVIEW: http://www.dvdverdict.com/reviews/niptuckseason2.php

    >
    > I don't know about other folks, but if something receives an 80 out of
    > 100 score, that should mean that the show is fairly good in the view of
    > the reviewer. But when you read the full review, he didn't like the
    > series all that much, giving the story a score of 60.
    >
    > I think the score for the meat of a DVD, the actual show or movie,
    > should make up the bulk of its review score. Rating extras, video
    > transfer, etc., is good, but are less important than the show itself.


    So, if you rate the DVD with 80% based on the show, and the reviewer
    loves the show so much he gives it an 79, and the transfer is so poor
    that there is parts where you can't even make out what's happening...
    Justin, Oct 16, 2005
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    Frank Sereno Guest

    Re: DVD Verdict reviews: NIP/TUCK: THE COMPLETE SECOND SEASON andmore!

    Stan Brown wrote:

    > Dateline Sun, 16 Oct 2005 03:14:26 GMT from Frank Sereno
    > <>:
    >
    >>I do have to agree with the judge that the show is well acted. But I
    >>quickly gave up on Nip/Tuck in season two as there were no characters
    >>that I could identify with or sympathize with in any way. There was
    >>nobody to root for or to admire no matter how skillfully the actors
    >>portrayed these fatally flawed characters. I found very difficult to
    >>watch a show centered on very selfish people.

    >
    >
    > Not to argue with your personal taste, but how did you feel about
    > /Seinfeld/? That was a show about people AT LEAST as self-absorbed
    > and selfish as those in /Nip/Tuck/? Did you give up on /Seinfeld/
    > too, or if not, what made the difference?
    >


    I've never been a big fan of either Seinfeld as a stand-up or the series
    starring him. Some of his comedy is good, but a lot of it is based on
    an urban lifestyle that I haven't experienced since I live in a small
    town. As for the show, I can't recall at the moment what I was watching
    instead of Seinfeld over those nine seasons. I watch the occasional
    rerun but it never has been "must see TV" for me.

    But I think for many people, the fact that "Seinfeld" was a comedy and
    made people laugh makes it a bit more acceptable than a drama about
    selfish, loutish characters that's all dark and twisted. But a lot of
    people loved "Six Feet Under" and that's fairly similar to "Nip/Tuck" as
    far as the general tone of the show goes, at least as far as I can
    understand it without having seen the former. I can't say from personal
    experience since I haven't seen "Six Feet Under" because I don't
    subscribe to HBO and I have yet to purchase the season box sets.
    Frank Sereno, Oct 16, 2005
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    Frank Sereno Guest

    Re: DVD Verdict reviews: NIP/TUCK: THE COMPLETE SECOND SEASON andmore!

    Justin wrote:

    > Frank Sereno wrote on [Sun, 16 Oct 2005 03:14:26 GMT]:
    >
    >>
    >>DVD Verdict wrote:
    >>
    >>
    >>>Today, DVD Verdict posted reviews of AFTERMATH: UNANSWERED QUESTIONS
    >>>FROM 9/11, BIG ALLIGATOR RIVER, CLEVELAND IN MY DREAMS, FEMI KUTI: LIVE
    >>>AT THE SHRINE: DELUXE EDITION DVD + LIVE CD, GIRLS NITE OUT, JACK
    >>>O'LANTERN, LAW AND ORDER: SPECIAL VICTIM'S UNIT: THE SECOND YEAR,
    >>>MIDNIGHT, NIP/TUCK: THE COMPLETE SECOND SEASON, PINOCCHIO'S REVENGE, and
    >>>THE WORK OF DIRECTOR STEPHANE SEDNAOUI:
    >>>

    >>
    >>>NIP/TUCK: THE COMPLETE SECOND SEASON (reviewed by David Gutierrez,
    >>>overall score 80/100):
    >>>"Don't expect Shakespeare. Nip/Tuck is at its best when it motors off,
    >>>never stopping to breath. It's a soap opera on speed, plain and simple.
    >>>It's excessive, fantastic, and engaging."
    >>>
    >>>FULL REVIEW: http://www.dvdverdict.com/reviews/niptuckseason2.php

    >>
    >>I don't know about other folks, but if something receives an 80 out of
    >>100 score, that should mean that the show is fairly good in the view of
    >>the reviewer. But when you read the full review, he didn't like the
    >>series all that much, giving the story a score of 60.
    >>
    >>I think the score for the meat of a DVD, the actual show or movie,
    >>should make up the bulk of its review score. Rating extras, video
    >>transfer, etc., is good, but are less important than the show itself.

    >
    >
    > So, if you rate the DVD with 80% based on the show, and the reviewer
    > loves the show so much he gives it an 79, and the transfer is so poor
    > that there is parts where you can't even make out what's happening...


    So if the reviewer says the transfer is less than stellar but you
    definitely want a copy in your library, what are your choices other than
    buying what has been made available to the public for purchase? I
    suppose you can wait for the HD-DVD version or the Tenth Anniversary
    Edition to come out eventually.
    Frank Sereno, Oct 16, 2005
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    Frank Sereno Guest

    Re: DVD Verdict reviews: NIP/TUCK: THE COMPLETE SECOND SEASON andmore!

    Kimba W. Lion wrote:

    > Frank Sereno <> wrote:
    >
    >
    >>I think the score for the meat of a DVD, the actual show or movie,
    >>should make up the bulk of its review score. Rating extras, video
    >>transfer, etc., is good, but are less important than the show itself.

    >
    >
    > I never care about what a DVD reviewer says about the show or movie content.
    > I wish they'd all shut up about it and give up the idea that they'll be the
    > next Ebert. By the time something makes it to DVD, I either know what it's
    > about or I don't care. What I do care about is how well the DVD itself is
    > made. Technical issues and special content are all I care to read about.


    But maybe somebody else reading the review has never seen the movie or
    series. For example, someone who doesn't subscribe to HBO might be very
    interested in seeing what all the hullabaloo was regarding "Six Feet
    Under" or "The Sopranos" and they can do that by buying or maybe renting
    the box set. Would such a person be as concerned about the quality of
    the transfer or the extras? Probably not. They'd probably want to know
    what the reviewer thinks of the actual show.

    Of course, there are dozens of sites reviewing DVDs so I'm sure
    everybody can find something to their liking. But I will say that DVD
    Verdict reviews a lot of titles that I have never viewed either in the
    theater or on television. And for me to spend money to see it either
    via purchase or rental, it's more important to me to know the quality of
    the movie or show. But that's just me and your mileage may vary. And
    if something posted in the newsgroup interests me at all, I can always
    go the site and read the entire review.

    It just seems odd to me to see an overall score of 80 (which is fair to
    good, one would think) for a product and have the reviewer have such a
    negative opinion (60, which is poor) of the actual show.
    Frank Sereno, Oct 16, 2005
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  12. "Joshua Zyber" <> wrote:

    >Whoa, did I just like totally blow your mind, dude?


    Whoa, dude, did somebody having an opinion blow _your_ mind?
    Get over yourself.
    Kimba W. Lion, Oct 17, 2005
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  13. Frank Sereno <> wrote:

    >But maybe somebody else reading the review has never seen the movie or
    >series. For example, someone who doesn't subscribe to HBO might be very
    >interested in seeing what all the hullabaloo was regarding "Six Feet
    >Under" or "The Sopranos" and they can do that by buying or maybe renting
    >the box set. Would such a person be as concerned about the quality of
    >the transfer or the extras? Probably not. They'd probably want to know
    >what the reviewer thinks of the actual show.


    You've taken the discussion from personal opinions to guessing what maybe
    somebody else might think, which is pointless. But your example doesn't even
    illustrate your stated hypothesis, because this imaginary person is
    intrigued by "all the hullabaloo"-- which means he's already heard plenty
    about the show. By that time, what would it matter what the reviewer thinks
    of the show itself?

    Just tell me whether the studio put out a decent product. I'll decide
    whether I like it or not.
    Kimba W. Lion, Oct 17, 2005
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    Joshua Zyber Guest

    "Kimba W. Lion" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    >>Whoa, did I just like totally blow your mind, dude?

    >
    > Whoa, dude, did somebody having an opinion blow _your_ mind?
    > Get over yourself.


    Do you have any idea what the word "irony" means? How about "hypocrite"?
    Joshua Zyber, Oct 17, 2005
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