Drying heads problem on Canon iP4000?

Discussion in 'Digital Photography' started by shmuglak@gmail.com, Apr 25, 2005.

  1. Guest

    Hello all,

    Several years ago I have bought Epson Photo 790 and I would be quite
    happy with it if not for persisting problem of drying head. If I have
    not printed for, say, couple of weeks -- the printing head would dry
    out and it required a lot of time (and of expensive ink) to clean it
    up. So the last time that happened I said "ehough" and stopped using
    the printer. But When I bought the printer I have been forewarned: this
    is (was?) a known problem of Epson printers.

    Now I'm looking at new Canon Photo printers (iP4000 in particular) and
    considering getting one. Has anybody encountered the similar problem
    with Canon _new_ line of printers? If yes -- how bad it is? Is any one
    of them is better or worse than others? Please, share your
    experience/knowledge.

    TIA
    , Apr 25, 2005
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  2. fay10 Guest

    I have the Pixma 5000(after three Epsons and have not had the same Probs I
    had with the Eppy
    It is so easy to just take the Whole Head out of the machine anyway..and the
    Carts are the easiest I have ever encountered to Refill
    If you are down in the Pacific or Europe you get the adedbonus that this
    Printer prints directly to CD,,and does so awsomely too
    <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > Hello all,
    >
    > Several years ago I have bought Epson Photo 790 and I would be quite
    > happy with it if not for persisting problem of drying head. If I have
    > not printed for, say, couple of weeks -- the printing head would dry
    > out and it required a lot of time (and of expensive ink) to clean it
    > up. So the last time that happened I said "ehough" and stopped using
    > the printer. But When I bought the printer I have been forewarned: this
    > is (was?) a known problem of Epson printers.
    >
    > Now I'm looking at new Canon Photo printers (iP4000 in particular) and
    > considering getting one. Has anybody encountered the similar problem
    > with Canon _new_ line of printers? If yes -- how bad it is? Is any one
    > of them is better or worse than others? Please, share your
    > experience/knowledge.
    >
    > TIA
    >
    fay10, Apr 25, 2005
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  3. measekite Guest

    If you use OEM inks then you should not have a problem. If you use
    after market inks than caveat emptor.

    wrote:

    >Hello all,
    >
    >Several years ago I have bought Epson Photo 790 and I would be quite
    >happy with it if not for persisting problem of drying head. If I have
    >not printed for, say, couple of weeks -- the printing head would dry
    >out and it required a lot of time (and of expensive ink) to clean it
    >up. So the last time that happened I said "ehough" and stopped using
    >the printer. But When I bought the printer I have been forewarned: this
    >is (was?) a known problem of Epson printers.
    >
    >Now I'm looking at new Canon Photo printers (iP4000 in particular) and
    >considering getting one. Has anybody encountered the similar problem
    >with Canon _new_ line of printers? If yes -- how bad it is? Is any one
    >of them is better or worse than others? Please, share your
    >experience/knowledge.
    >
    >TIA
    >
    >
    >
    measekite, Apr 25, 2005
    #3
  4. Burt Guest

    Inkjet printers have the potential to get clogged heads with their own brand
    inks as well as quality aftermarket inks. The two major issues are 1) the
    quality of the aftermarket inks and cartridges and 2) the frequency with
    which you print. In addition, there is always some buildup of dried ink on
    the underside of printheads that can sometimes cause clogs with months or
    years of normal, regular use. It would be a good idea to become more
    educated regarding these printers, inks and cartridges. Measekite is right
    that there are some poor quality inks out there, but he is critical of the
    vendors, small businesses that repackage other brand inks and sell them with
    their own labels on the internet, and he writes about them in a disparaging
    manner. Moreover, he has never used these products and yet makes
    authoritative statements based on what he has selectively gleaned from
    reading posts on newsgroups. Although few of the vendors advertise which
    inks they are selling, there are a few who do let you know. I have
    personally used MIS inks to refill Canon carts and have been very happy with
    the product (which I have been told is Image Specialist ink). Look through
    this newsgroup for posts by Ron Cohen and Taliesyn for info about their
    personal excellent experiences with third party inks. Following are a few
    sites that have excellent information by people who don't just give you
    their opinionated response - they have used these products successfully, and
    they also report when they have had problems. Neil Slade's info on Canon
    printers, papers, and inks is at
    http://www.neilslade.com/papers/inkjetstuff.html. Then follow the link he
    gives near the top of that site to http://www.nifty-stuff.com/forum/ for
    the forum on ink jet stuff. Lots of information there as well. It's a good
    idea to know how to trouble shoot printer problems that can occur with any
    ink and that information is on those sites. Sensient Formulabs inks are
    available bulk and also in prefilled cartridges, and this ink has quite a
    good reputation with people who have used it and reported on this and other
    forums. Formulabs ink is in cartridges sold by Alotofthings (their Arrow
    carts, not Rainbow), Weink (carts that have the CRU id in their product
    listings), and, I have been told, Wiredbeans carts which are available on
    ebay. You can contact each of them to verify that their cartridges are
    filled with Formulabs inks before purchasing. Do sign in to the Nifty-stuff
    forum and ask any questions of them that you wish. They are very helpful.
    There are also some extremely helpful participants on this newsgroup as
    well, but you can also experience the invective and snide remarks of a few
    people on this NG that might tend to discourage you from pursuing this
    issue.

    "measekite" <> wrote in message
    news:iJ9be.6642$...
    > If you use OEM inks then you should not have a problem. If you use after
    > market inks than caveat emptor.
    >
    > wrote:
    >
    >>Hello all,
    >>
    >>Several years ago I have bought Epson Photo 790 and I would be quite
    >>happy with it if not for persisting problem of drying head. If I have
    >>not printed for, say, couple of weeks -- the printing head would dry
    >>out and it required a lot of time (and of expensive ink) to clean it
    >>up. So the last time that happened I said "ehough" and stopped using
    >>the printer. But When I bought the printer I have been forewarned: this
    >>is (was?) a known problem of Epson printers.
    >>
    >>Now I'm looking at new Canon Photo printers (iP4000 in particular) and
    >>considering getting one. Has anybody encountered the similar problem
    >>with Canon _new_ line of printers? If yes -- how bad it is? Is any one
    >>of them is better or worse than others? Please, share your
    >>experience/knowledge.
    >>
    >>TIA
    >>
    >>
    Burt, Apr 25, 2005
    #4
  5. I had a Lexmark that would dry out if I didn't use it for a week. I could
    never get things to print right with it (I have a Lexmark laser that I
    really like, but the inkjet I had just didn't cut it.)

    I now have a Canon that has never dried out (I just returned from 3 months
    in Florida and started printing without any problems. Two things, on both
    pritners I used the manufacture's inks and never let the ink run completely
    dry (I change it when told to by the printer.)

    <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > Hello all,
    >
    > Several years ago I have bought Epson Photo 790 and I would be quite
    > happy with it if not for persisting problem of drying head. If I have
    > not printed for, say, couple of weeks -- the printing head would dry
    > out and it required a lot of time (and of expensive ink) to clean it
    > up. So the last time that happened I said "ehough" and stopped using
    > the printer. But When I bought the printer I have been forewarned: this
    > is (was?) a known problem of Epson printers.
    >
    > Now I'm looking at new Canon Photo printers (iP4000 in particular) and
    > considering getting one. Has anybody encountered the similar problem
    > with Canon _new_ line of printers? If yes -- how bad it is? Is any one
    > of them is better or worse than others? Please, share your
    > experience/knowledge.
    >
    > TIA
    >
    news-radius.core.com, Apr 25, 2005
    #5
  6. measekite Guest

    news-radius.core.com wrote:

    >I had a Lexmark that would dry out if I didn't use it for a week. I could
    >never get things to print right with it (I have a Lexmark laser that I
    >really like, but the inkjet I had just didn't cut it.)
    >
    >I now have a Canon that has never dried out (I just returned from 3 months
    >in Florida and started printing without any problems. Two things, on both
    >pritners I used the manufacture's inks
    >


    Another smart one. With OEM inks there is less to worry about. They
    were designed by the manufacturer of the Printer to work best with their
    print head and they know the engineering of this print head then a 3rd
    party hawker. At least you can go to 10 stores and an equal number of
    websites and say I want Canon ink and you will get the same exact thing
    where every you buy. And Canon puts its name on the product also. :)

    >and never let the ink run completely
    >dry (I change it when told to by the printer.)
    >
    ><> wrote in message
    >news:...
    >
    >
    >>Hello all,
    >>
    >>Several years ago I have bought Epson Photo 790 and I would be quite
    >>happy with it if not for persisting problem of drying head. If I have
    >>not printed for, say, couple of weeks -- the printing head would dry
    >>out and it required a lot of time (and of expensive ink) to clean it
    >>up. So the last time that happened I said "ehough" and stopped using
    >>the printer. But When I bought the printer I have been forewarned: this
    >>is (was?) a known problem of Epson printers.
    >>
    >>Now I'm looking at new Canon Photo printers (iP4000 in particular) and
    >>considering getting one. Has anybody encountered the similar problem
    >>with Canon _new_ line of printers? If yes -- how bad it is? Is any one
    >>of them is better or worse than others? Please, share your
    >>experience/knowledge.
    >>
    >>TIA
    >>
    >>
    >>

    >
    >
    >
    >
    measekite, Apr 25, 2005
    #6
  7. measekite wrote:

    >
    >
    > news-radius.core.com wrote:
    >
    >>I had a Lexmark that would dry out if I didn't use it for a week. I could
    >>never get things to print right with it (I have a Lexmark laser that I
    >>really like, but the inkjet I had just didn't cut it.)
    >>
    >>I now have a Canon that has never dried out (I just returned from 3 months
    >>in Florida and started printing without any problems. Two things, on both
    >>pritners I used the manufacture's inks
    >>

    >
    > Another smart one. With OEM inks there is less to worry about. They
    > were designed by the manufacturer of the Printer to work best with their
    > print head and they know the engineering of this print head then a 3rd
    > party hawker. At least you can go to 10 stores and an equal number of
    > websites and say I want Canon ink and you will get the same exact thing
    > where every you buy. And Canon puts its name on the product also. :)
    >


    Assuming you actually get ink made by Canon that is -
    http://pcworld.about.com/news/May212003id110835.htm
    harvey wallbanger, Apr 26, 2005
    #7
  8. Hecate Guest

    On 25 Apr 2005 02:33:22 -0700, wrote:

    >Hello all,
    >
    >Several years ago I have bought Epson Photo 790 and I would be quite
    >happy with it if not for persisting problem of drying head. If I have
    >not printed for, say, couple of weeks -- the printing head would dry
    >out and it required a lot of time (and of expensive ink) to clean it
    >up. So the last time that happened I said "ehough" and stopped using
    >the printer. But When I bought the printer I have been forewarned: this
    >is (was?) a known problem of Epson printers.
    >
    >Now I'm looking at new Canon Photo printers (iP4000 in particular) and
    >considering getting one. Has anybody encountered the similar problem
    >with Canon _new_ line of printers? If yes -- how bad it is? Is any one
    >of them is better or worse than others? Please, share your
    >experience/knowledge.
    >
    >TIA


    No, the Canon's don't have the drying head problem. They have the head
    burn out problem instead.

    --

    Hecate - The Real One

    Fashion: Buying things you don't need, with money
    you don't have, to impress people you don't like...
    Hecate, Apr 26, 2005
    #8
  9. Frank Guest

    Hecate wrote:

    >
    > No, the Canon's don't have the drying head problem. They have the head
    > burn out problem instead.


    It's better to burn than to fade out. :)
    Frank
    Frank, Apr 26, 2005
    #9
  10. measekite Guest

    Frank wrote:

    > Hecate wrote:
    >
    >>
    >> No, the Canon's don't have the drying head problem. They have the head
    >> burn out problem instead.

    >
    >
    > It's better to burn than to fade out. :)
    > Frank



    Hey Frank,

    Pick your choice :)
    measekite, Apr 26, 2005
    #10
  11. >>the printing head would dry out and it required a lot of time (and of
    >>expensive ink) to clean it up.

    I never found the cleaning cycle (even deep cleaning) much use and, as you
    say, it is expensive in ink. A technique I learned about on the internet
    was to use canned compressed air spray instead. It worked for me (do it
    outside!) but I won't take any responsibility if it damages your print head.
    I did it on a printer which was on the way out anyway.

    The best policy is to have a small image, which doesn't need a lot of ink -
    just a bit of each colour and at the end of each week if you've not printed
    anything else then print it (on plain paper) to keep the ink moving.

    With regard to Canon print heads, mine eventually stopped working on my i950
    after 18 months. The print head is a replaceable item - in theory. In
    practice it's nearly as expensive as a new printer so it's uneconomical to
    replace it. Better to get the latest printer.

    As a result I recently binned my i950 and replaced it with a ip5000 (note
    that the print head experience didn't put me off Canon). I shopped around
    for a 2 year guarantee so if the print head blows again in the same
    timescale I can get a new one.

    Keith
    Keith Sheppard, Apr 26, 2005
    #11
  12. John Guest

    My canon S900 head drivers on one color goes out after a few seconds of
    printing, had it replaced the first time under warranty
    Hope the new heads are better in the I9900 .
    Also if Canon and the others made their ink price much cheaper the reason
    for counterfeiting would go away.




    <> wrote in message
    news:s8ibe.1404$...
    >
    >
    > Frank wrote:
    >
    >> Hecate wrote:
    >>
    >>>
    >>> No, the Canon's don't have the drying head problem. They have the head
    >>> burn out problem instead.

    >>
    >>
    >> It's better to burn than to fade out. :)
    >> Frank

    >
    >
    > Hey Frank,
    >
    > Pick your choice :)
    John, Apr 26, 2005
    #12
  13. measekite Guest

    Did you always use OEM ink in you i950?

    Keith Sheppard wrote:

    >>>the printing head would dry out and it required a lot of time (and of
    >>>expensive ink) to clean it up.
    >>>
    >>>

    >I never found the cleaning cycle (even deep cleaning) much use and, as you
    >say, it is expensive in ink. A technique I learned about on the internet
    >was to use canned compressed air spray instead. It worked for me (do it
    >outside!) but I won't take any responsibility if it damages your print head.
    >I did it on a printer which was on the way out anyway.
    >
    >The best policy is to have a small image, which doesn't need a lot of ink -
    >just a bit of each colour and at the end of each week if you've not printed
    >anything else then print it (on plain paper) to keep the ink moving.
    >
    >With regard to Canon print heads, mine eventually stopped working on my i950
    >after 18 months. The print head is a replaceable item - in theory. In
    >practice it's nearly as expensive as a new printer so it's uneconomical to
    >replace it. Better to get the latest printer.
    >
    >As a result I recently binned my i950 and replaced it with a ip5000 (note
    >that the print head experience didn't put me off Canon). I shopped around
    >for a 2 year guarantee so if the print head blows again in the same
    >timescale I can get a new one.
    >
    >Keith
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    measekite, Apr 26, 2005
    #13
  14. measekite Guest

    John wrote:

    >My canon S900 head drivers on one color goes out after a few seconds of
    >printing, had it replaced the first time under warranty
    > Hope the new heads are better in the I9900 .
    > Also if Canon and the others made their ink price much cheaper the reason
    >for counterfeiting would go away.
    >
    >


    Right :)

    And so would the hawkers and whores.

    >
    >
    >
    > <> wrote in message
    >news:s8ibe.1404$...
    >
    >
    >>Frank wrote:
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>>Hecate wrote:
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>>No, the Canon's don't have the drying head problem. They have the head
    >>>>burn out problem instead.
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>It's better to burn than to fade out. :)
    >>>Frank
    >>>
    >>>

    >>Hey Frank,
    >>
    >>Pick your choice :)
    >>
    >>

    >
    >
    >
    >
    measekite, Apr 26, 2005
    #14
  15. >>Did you always use OEM ink in you i950?

    No. Here in the UK, the price differential is four to one. A full cart of
    six Canon cartridges for my i950 was around 42 UK pounds whilst I could get
    a full set of compatibles for about a tenner.

    At that rate, I reckoned I would save enough to replace the print head in
    just three refills.

    I don't honestly believe it was the compatible inks which did for my print
    head, though. I can understand how they may be more prone to blocking and
    clogging but the way it eventually died was with the printer flashing out
    "bad print head" in its orange light code.

    Keith
    Keith Sheppard, Apr 26, 2005
    #15
  16. Burt Guest

    "measekite" <> wrote in message
    news:H4sbe.7054$...
    >
    >
    > John wrote:
    >
    >>My canon S900 head drivers on one color goes out after a few seconds of
    >>printing, had it replaced the first time under warranty
    >> Hope the new heads are better in the I9900 .
    >> Also if Canon and the others made their ink price much cheaper the
    >> reason for counterfeiting would go away.
    >>

    >
    > Right :)
    >
    > And so would the hawkers and whores.


    BUT best of all, Measekites rants would go away!
    (snip)
    Burt, Apr 26, 2005
    #16
  17. measekite Guest

    Keith Sheppard wrote:

    >>>Did you always use OEM ink in you i950?
    >>>
    >>>

    >
    >No. Here in the UK, the price differential is four to one. A full cart of
    >six Canon cartridges for my i950 was around 42 UK pounds whilst I could get
    >a full set of compatibles for about a tenner.
    >
    >At that rate, I reckoned I would save enough to replace the print head in
    >just three refills.
    >
    >I don't honestly believe it was the compatible inks which did for my print
    >head, though. I can understand how they may be more prone to blocking and
    >clogging but the way it eventually died was with the printer flashing out
    >"bad print head" in its orange light code.
    >
    >Keith
    >
    >
    >
    >Much but not all of the 3rd party ink can be troublesome. Maybe over a long period of time the after market ink you used long ago became part of the problem today.
    >
    >
    >
    >
    measekite, Apr 26, 2005
    #17
  18. measekite Guest

    Burt wrote:

    >"measekite" <> wrote in message
    >news:H4sbe.7054$...
    >
    >
    >>John wrote:
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>>My canon S900 head drivers on one color goes out after a few seconds of
    >>>printing, had it replaced the first time under warranty
    >>> Hope the new heads are better in the I9900 .
    >>> Also if Canon and the others made their ink price much cheaper the
    >>>reason for counterfeiting would go away.
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>

    >>Right :)
    >>
    >>And so would the hawkers and whores.
    >>
    >>

    >
    >BUT best of all, Measekites rants would go away!
    > (snip)
    >
    >


    Yeah, the hawkers, the whores, and you would go away.

    >
    >
    >
    measekite, Apr 26, 2005
    #18
  19. Frank Guest

    measekite wrote:


    >>
    >>
    >> Much but not all of the 3rd party ink can be troublesome.


    Another one of your unsubstantiated lies. Most 3rd's are good, reliable
    and inexpensive replacements for the overpriced oem's. I've used them
    for years and you have yet to try one of them.
    Get lost.
    Frank
    Frank, Apr 26, 2005
    #19
  20. Frank Guest

    measekite wrote:


    >>

    >
    > Yeah, the hawkers, the whores, and you would go away.
    >
    >>
    >>
    >>

    Does your employer know you're posting to this ng during working hours?
    Frank
    Frank, Apr 26, 2005
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