DOT NET! Job Stats tell a tale!

Discussion in 'MCSD' started by biker, Aug 10, 2003.

  1. biker

    biker Guest

    I was looking at www.jobstats.co.uk, this is a fantastic
    site that reveals a lot about changes in the UK Job
    market. These changes are likely repeated elsewhere but I
    have yet to find a site that gives statistics in North
    America.

    Firstly take a look at the chart showing the total demand
    for staff. In September 1999 it was about 10,000 peaking
    at 18,000 in March 2001 after which it declined
    exponentially but seems to have leveled out at 4000
    current advertised positions. This overall pattern repeats
    itself throughout the statistics including a reduction in
    hourly rates.

    Now take a look at the chart for the Dot-NET Skill. Not
    surprisingly this chart is exceptional showing a steady
    increase from 30 in 2001 to 140 now. So to all you people,
    who have become recently certified but can't find .NET
    work, I say just be patient, your day in the sun is
    coming. If this chart keeps moving up employers will not
    be able to find enough candidates with experience and will
    start hiring on the value of certification.

    There is one problem however. The Dot-NET Skill is rated
    at 28 per hour versus Java at 35 and J2EE at 36. Demand
    for J2EE seems to have started to move up recently with
    160 currently open positions. Demand for Java is still
    flat with 400 open positions.

    It would seem then that the demand in the Dot-NET Skill is
    coming from new small scale projects with limited budgets
    and has not yet progressed to large scale commercial
    projects requiring team work and methodologies. The
    business press indicates that this will change in due
    course, for example a large insurance company recently
    acquired another one and immediately put all the Mainframe
    development on hold. They also decided to terminate their
    outsourcing arrangements and bring all development back in-
    house. Their plan is that all new development will be in
    DOT NET. They have seen the benefits compared to J2EE
    including a very big performance advantage and
    internationalization.

    Something else that you can see in the Statistics is that
    demand for some Job Titles has moved up relative to the
    rest. The demand for the Analyst Programmer title has
    dropped precipitously while the demand for the Project
    Manager title has remained somewhat steady.

    In fact what the stats don't tell you is that these days
    there is an increasing demand for multi-skilled people.
    For example DOT Net technical strength combined with the
    project management skill. Thus if your scars have grown
    longer with age and you are about to sex up your CV, I
    suggest placing a big emphasis on project management. You
    might also think about gaining certification in some of
    the PM Methodologies.
     
    biker, Aug 10, 2003
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  2. biker

    Kline Sphere Guest

    So what?

    Surveys tend to inaccurate, in same cases, wildly so.

    BTW, It should be possible (or rather law) for companies who
    interview people who have clearly 'sex up' (i.e. lied) their CV, to
    claim back any expenses incurred because of the waste of time that
    person put the company through.

    On Sat, 9 Aug 2003 23:48:51 -0700, "biker" <>
    wrote:

    >I was looking at www.jobstats.co.uk, this is a fantastic
    >site that reveals a lot about changes in the UK Job
    >market. These changes are likely repeated elsewhere but I
    >have yet to find a site that gives statistics in North
    >America.
    >
    >Firstly take a look at the chart showing the total demand
    >for staff. In September 1999 it was about 10,000 peaking
    >at 18,000 in March 2001 after which it declined
    >exponentially but seems to have leveled out at 4000
    >current advertised positions. This overall pattern repeats
    >itself throughout the statistics including a reduction in
    >hourly rates.
    >
    >Now take a look at the chart for the Dot-NET Skill. Not
    >surprisingly this chart is exceptional showing a steady
    >increase from 30 in 2001 to 140 now. So to all you people,
    >who have become recently certified but can't find .NET
    >work, I say just be patient, your day in the sun is
    >coming. If this chart keeps moving up employers will not
    >be able to find enough candidates with experience and will
    >start hiring on the value of certification.
    >
    >There is one problem however. The Dot-NET Skill is rated
    >at 28 per hour versus Java at 35 and J2EE at 36. Demand
    >for J2EE seems to have started to move up recently with
    >160 currently open positions. Demand for Java is still
    >flat with 400 open positions.
    >
    >It would seem then that the demand in the Dot-NET Skill is
    >coming from new small scale projects with limited budgets
    >and has not yet progressed to large scale commercial
    >projects requiring team work and methodologies. The
    >business press indicates that this will change in due
    >course, for example a large insurance company recently
    >acquired another one and immediately put all the Mainframe
    >development on hold. They also decided to terminate their
    >outsourcing arrangements and bring all development back in-
    >house. Their plan is that all new development will be in
    >DOT NET. They have seen the benefits compared to J2EE
    >including a very big performance advantage and
    >internationalization.
    >
    >Something else that you can see in the Statistics is that
    >demand for some Job Titles has moved up relative to the
    >rest. The demand for the Analyst Programmer title has
    >dropped precipitously while the demand for the Project
    >Manager title has remained somewhat steady.
    >
    >In fact what the stats don't tell you is that these days
    >there is an increasing demand for multi-skilled people.
    >For example DOT Net technical strength combined with the
    >project management skill. Thus if your scars have grown
    >longer with age and you are about to sex up your CV, I
    >suggest placing a big emphasis on project management. You
    >might also think about gaining certification in some of
    >the PM Methodologies.
     
    Kline Sphere, Aug 10, 2003
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  3. biker

    biker Guest


    >-----Original Message-----

    ....
    >BTW, It should be possible (or rather law) for companies

    who
    >interview people who have clearly 'sex up' (i.e. lied)

    their CV, to
    >claim back any expenses incurred because of the waste of

    time that
    >person put the company through.
    >

    It never happens Kline! I remember a project some years
    ago, the highest paid person was also the biggest waste of
    space. His only talent was writing a sexy CV. In the end
    the boss lady had to admit she made a mistake and sacked
    him.

    These are the sort of people we compete against when we
    apply for jobs. It's like the agents that you also
    despise, the most successful ones are not those that
    actually know enough to be able to vet applicants but
    rather those that are good at pulling the wool over
    everyones eyes.
     
    biker, Aug 10, 2003
    #3
  4. biker

    Kline Sphere Guest

    >In the end
    >the boss lady had to admit she made a mistake and sacked
    >him.


    Naturally she was fired too, or at least reprimanded, and the whole
    candidate review process overhauled.

    >These are the sort of people we compete against when we
    >apply for jobs.


    Fortunately it's over twenty years ago since I had to applied for a
    'job', I don't think I will ever have to do that again. 'What did you
    say boss? I'm fired!!!'

    > It's like the agents that you also
    >despise, the most successful ones are not those that
    >actually know enough to be able to vet applicants but
    >rather those that are good at pulling the wool over
    >everyones eyes.


    The company I work for do not need a recruiter to 'vet applications',
    they are quite able to do that themselves.
     
    Kline Sphere, Aug 10, 2003
    #4
  5. biker

    100gm Guest

    >Fortunately it's over twenty years ago since I had to
    >applied for a 'job'.


    So did you end up as a Master or a Servant?

    >BTW, It should be possible (or rather law) for companies
    >who interview people who have clearly 'sex up' (i.e.
    >lied) their CV, to claim back any expenses incurred
    >because of the waste of time that person put the company
    >through.


    I am not an expert in Common Law but I did touch on the
    subject in business school. If someone is applying for a
    permanent job, this falls under the Common Law of Master
    and Servant. This law protects the employer by assigning
    intellectual property rights and protecting the employer
    from the employee going into competition with the employer.

    On the other hand this law protects the employee by
    guaranteeing payments due including termination payments
    and protecting the employee from various claims that might
    arise during the course of employment.

    Thus after the contract of employment commences it becomes
    difficult for the employer to sue the employee under
    Common Law Torts.

    Prior to the commencement of the contract it might be
    possible for an agent or employer to sue an applicant for
    false statements in a CV, but commercial Tort law is
    somewhat weak in this respect, for example if someone
    damages your car you can sue for the repair bill, but
    generally not for the consequential economic loss (the
    cost of the hire car while yours is being repaired).

    Checking out claims made by job applicants is a cost that
    must be borne by the employer alone.

    >The company I work for do not need a recruiter to 'vet
    >applications', they are quite able to do that themselves.


    I have been in that position myself several times managing
    very large development projects. I would look at the
    claims made by applicants in their CV's, do some research
    then grill them on the subject matter. For example if an
    applicant mentioned something like reduction to third
    normal form, I would stop them there and ask them to
    explain the normal forms in detail.
     
    100gm, Aug 11, 2003
    #5
  6. biker

    Guest Guest

    Don't listen to Kline Sphere,

    He's an idiot...




    "biker" <> wrote in message
    news:00d301c35f0b$753b5ed0$...
    > I was looking at www.jobstats.co.uk, this is a fantastic
    > site that reveals a lot about changes in the UK Job
    > market. These changes are likely repeated elsewhere but I
    > have yet to find a site that gives statistics in North
    > America.
    >
    > Firstly take a look at the chart showing the total demand
    > for staff. In September 1999 it was about 10,000 peaking
    > at 18,000 in March 2001 after which it declined
    > exponentially but seems to have leveled out at 4000
    > current advertised positions. This overall pattern repeats
    > itself throughout the statistics including a reduction in
    > hourly rates.
    >
    > Now take a look at the chart for the Dot-NET Skill. Not
    > surprisingly this chart is exceptional showing a steady
    > increase from 30 in 2001 to 140 now. So to all you people,
    > who have become recently certified but can't find .NET
    > work, I say just be patient, your day in the sun is
    > coming. If this chart keeps moving up employers will not
    > be able to find enough candidates with experience and will
    > start hiring on the value of certification.
    >
    > There is one problem however. The Dot-NET Skill is rated
    > at 28 per hour versus Java at 35 and J2EE at 36. Demand
    > for J2EE seems to have started to move up recently with
    > 160 currently open positions. Demand for Java is still
    > flat with 400 open positions.
    >
    > It would seem then that the demand in the Dot-NET Skill is
    > coming from new small scale projects with limited budgets
    > and has not yet progressed to large scale commercial
    > projects requiring team work and methodologies. The
    > business press indicates that this will change in due
    > course, for example a large insurance company recently
    > acquired another one and immediately put all the Mainframe
    > development on hold. They also decided to terminate their
    > outsourcing arrangements and bring all development back in-
    > house. Their plan is that all new development will be in
    > DOT NET. They have seen the benefits compared to J2EE
    > including a very big performance advantage and
    > internationalization.
    >
    > Something else that you can see in the Statistics is that
    > demand for some Job Titles has moved up relative to the
    > rest. The demand for the Analyst Programmer title has
    > dropped precipitously while the demand for the Project
    > Manager title has remained somewhat steady.
    >
    > In fact what the stats don't tell you is that these days
    > there is an increasing demand for multi-skilled people.
    > For example DOT Net technical strength combined with the
    > project management skill. Thus if your scars have grown
    > longer with age and you are about to sex up your CV, I
    > suggest placing a big emphasis on project management. You
    > might also think about gaining certification in some of
    > the PM Methodologies.
    >
     
    Guest, Aug 18, 2003
    #6
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