Domain filtering for spam?

Discussion in 'Computer Support' started by Coffee Lover Girl, Oct 27, 2006.

  1. I use Mailwasher 2.0 - the free version. I don't think it can do what I'm
    looking for, but I'm looking for something free that might be able to.

    I own a domain of my own. I LIKE the idea of being able to use any email
    address that I can make up using the Pegasus Mail ID features, but I don't
    like the fact that people can spam wild cards at my domain name, for
    example .

    So is there a way to filter and bounce ( like Mailwasher bounces )
    everything EXCEPT the names I'm using for my domain? Like having a table
    of good names, that I can keep and modify, and it will bounce everything
    BUT those?



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    Coffee Lover Girl, Oct 27, 2006
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  2. Coffee Lover Girl

    Evan Platt Guest

    On Thu, 26 Oct 2006 21:58:08 -0500, Coffee Lover Girl
    <> wrote:

    >I use Mailwasher 2.0 - the free version. I don't think it can do what I'm
    >looking for, but I'm looking for something free that might be able to.
    >
    >I own a domain of my own. I LIKE the idea of being able to use any email
    >address that I can make up using the Pegasus Mail ID features, but I don't
    >like the fact that people can spam wild cards at my domain name, for
    >example .


    Take that up with whoever hosts your e-mail.

    >So is there a way to filter and bounce ( like Mailwasher bounces )
    >everything EXCEPT the names I'm using for my domain? Like having a table
    >of good names, that I can keep and modify, and it will bounce everything
    >BUT those?


    Bouncing is a BAD idea. It creates backscatter, among other things.
     
    Evan Platt, Oct 27, 2006
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  3. Coffee Lover Girl wrote:

    > I own a domain of my own. I LIKE the idea of being able to use any
    > email address that I can make up using the Pegasus Mail ID features,
    > but I don't like the fact that people can spam wild cards at my
    > domain name, for example .


    Please don't use someone else's real domain name as your example. In
    fact, use "example.com" which is reserved for the purpose. mydomain.com
    is a real web site.

    > So is there a way to filter and bounce ( like Mailwasher bounces )
    > everything EXCEPT the names I'm using for my domain? Like having a table
    > of good names, that I can keep and modify, and it will bounce everything
    > BUT those?


    Log into your host's control panel and turn OFF the "catch-all" address.
    Set it to :blackhole: rather than bounce, as all bounce will do is
    seriously annoy all the real people whose addresses the spammers have
    used in the forged FROM: field, and create a duplicate amount of spam.

    If you don't know how to do that with the catch-all, ask your host.

    --
    -bts
    -Motorcycles defy gravity; cars just suck
     
    Beauregard T. Shagnasty, Oct 27, 2006
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  4. Evan Platt <> wrote :

    > On Thu, 26 Oct 2006 21:58:08 -0500, Coffee Lover Girl
    ><> wrote:
    >
    >>I use Mailwasher 2.0 - the free version. I don't think it can do what
    >>I'm looking for, but I'm looking for something free that might be
    >>able to.
    >>
    >>I own a domain of my own. I LIKE the idea of being able to use any
    >>email address that I can make up using the Pegasus Mail ID features,
    >>but I don't like the fact that people can spam wild cards at my
    >>domain name, for example .

    >
    > Take that up with whoever hosts your e-mail.
    >
    >>So is there a way to filter and bounce ( like Mailwasher bounces )
    >>everything EXCEPT the names I'm using for my domain? Like having a
    >>table of good names, that I can keep and modify, and it will bounce
    >>everything BUT those?

    >
    > Bouncing is a BAD idea. It creates backscatter, among other things.
    >


    It doesn't stop them from sending spam to that address?



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    Coffee Lover Girl, Oct 27, 2006
    #4
  5. Coffee Lover Girl wrote:
    > I use Mailwasher 2.0 - the free version. I don't think it can do what I'm
    > looking for, but I'm looking for something free that might be able to.
    >
    > I own a domain of my own. I LIKE the idea of being able to use any email
    > address that I can make up using the Pegasus Mail ID features, but I don't
    > like the fact that people can spam wild cards at my domain name, for
    > example .
    >
    > So is there a way to filter and bounce ( like Mailwasher bounces )
    > everything EXCEPT the names I'm using for my domain? Like having a table
    > of good names, that I can keep and modify, and it will bounce everything
    > BUT those?
    >
    >
    >


    DON'T use bounce
    And yes, mailwasher can do that, read the example filter that is found
    under filters.
     
    =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Brian_H=B9=A9?=, Oct 27, 2006
    #5
  6. Coffee Lover Girl wrote:

    > Evan Platt <> wrote :
    >
    >
    >>On Thu, 26 Oct 2006 21:58:08 -0500, Coffee Lover Girl
    >><> wrote:
    >>
    >>
    >>>I use Mailwasher 2.0 - the free version. I don't think it can do what
    >>>I'm looking for, but I'm looking for something free that might be
    >>>able to.
    >>>
    >>>I own a domain of my own. I LIKE the idea of being able to use any
    >>>email address that I can make up using the Pegasus Mail ID features,
    >>>but I don't like the fact that people can spam wild cards at my
    >>>domain name, for example .

    >>
    >>Take that up with whoever hosts your e-mail.
    >>
    >>
    >>>So is there a way to filter and bounce ( like Mailwasher bounces )
    >>>everything EXCEPT the names I'm using for my domain? Like having a
    >>>table of good names, that I can keep and modify, and it will bounce
    >>>everything BUT those?

    >>
    >>Bouncing is a BAD idea. It creates backscatter, among other things.
    >>

    >
    >
    > It doesn't stop them from sending spam to that address?
    >
    >
    >


    But by bouncing they can see that the address they are using, although
    invalid, is responding.
     
    =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Brian_H=B9=A9?=, Oct 27, 2006
    #6
  7. Coffee Lover Girl

    Mike Easter Guest

    Coffee Lover Girl wrote:
    > Evan Platt
    >> Coffee Lover Girl


    >>> So is there a way to filter and bounce ( like Mailwasher bounces )
    >>> everything EXCEPT the names I'm using for my domain? Like having a
    >>> table of good names, that I can keep and modify, and it will bounce
    >>> everything BUT those?

    >>
    >> Bouncing is a BAD idea. It creates backscatter, among other things.

    >
    > It doesn't stop them from sending spam to that address?


    MW bouncing is a very abusive behavior almost always and doesn't stop
    any 'normal' spam. The information provided by MW about its bogus
    bounces is a lie and you should configure MW to not bounce.

    Normal spam has a bogus From. When MW bounces, it creates a newmail
    addressed to the bogus From, which is newmail is abusive and reportable
    to such blocklisting services as spamcop.

    When a spamcop reporter or spamtrap receives that abusive bogus bounce
    because their address appeared in your spam's bogus From, the reporter
    derives your IP address and reports your abusive bogusbounce to your
    provider. Your provider is whose role addresses you are forging on your
    abusive bogusbounces, and when your bounces are reported your email
    account can be endangered for your abusive bogus bouncing activity.

    The bogus bounces [almost] never go to the spamsource. Rarely a spam is
    'straightup' and the From = the source, but very rarely.


    --
    Mike Easter
     
    Mike Easter, Oct 27, 2006
    #7
  8. Coffee Lover Girl

    Vanguard Guest

    "Coffee Lover Girl" wrote in message
    news:...
    > Evan Platt wrote :
    >
    >> Coffee Lover Girl wrote:

    <snip>
    >>>So is there a way to filter and bounce ( like Mailwasher bounces )
    >>>everything EXCEPT the names I'm using for my domain? Like having a
    >>>table of good names, that I can keep and modify, and it will bounce
    >>>everything BUT those?

    >>
    >> Bouncing is a BAD idea. It creates backscatter, among other things.
    >>

    >
    > It doesn't stop them from sending spam to that address?


    Bogus bounces qualify as spam themselves and as such are reportable to
    the DNS blacklists. Do you really want to get blacklisted so your
    "good" outbound e-mails that you send get blocked?

    Bogus bounces that are sent AFTER the actual mail session to delivery
    the mail can be differentiated from real bounces sent DURING the mail
    session between the sending and receiving mail server. You are
    identifying a valid and active e-mail address/domain by sending the
    bogus bounces.

    Your e-mail provider doesn't provide for defining server-side rules
    for your e-mail account(s)? You could then reject all e-mails at the
    server that don't contain "@yourdomain" in the To/Cc headers (but
    you'll still get them if they use Bcc).

    Your bounces are rarely, if ever, hitting the spammers. Instead you
    are sending them to invalid domains (which waste your mail servers
    resources to find it is undeliverable), invalid accounts (so you are
    wasting bother your and their mail servers resources), or hit a valid
    account for someone other than the spammer (i.e., you are nuisancing
    an innocent with your "bounce spam").

    Flush the turds at your end. Stop hurling them back out to the Net.
    The spammers are turd-proof but not everyone else who, unlike you, are
    good e-mail Netizens.
     
    Vanguard, Oct 27, 2006
    #8
  9. Coffee Lover Girl

    Evan Platt Guest

    On Fri, 27 Oct 2006 00:07:35 -0500, Coffee Lover Girl
    <> wrote:

    >It doesn't stop them from sending spam to that address?


    No.

    Half of the return addresses used in spam is forged.

    Think of if someone forged your return address in spam, and your
    mailbox started getting filled with bounces.
     
    Evan Platt, Oct 27, 2006
    #9
  10. Coffee Lover Girl

    Evan Platt Guest

    On Fri, 27 Oct 2006 09:06:11 GMT, Brian H¹©
    <> wrote:

    >But by bouncing they can see that the address they are using, although
    >invalid, is responding.


    No. Spam rarely uses a valid reply address. I doubt a spammer ever
    uses a valid reply address.
     
    Evan Platt, Oct 27, 2006
    #10
  11. Brian H¹© <> wrote :

    > Coffee Lover Girl wrote:
    >
    >> Evan Platt <> wrote :
    >>
    >>
    >>>On Thu, 26 Oct 2006 21:58:08 -0500, Coffee Lover Girl
    >>><> wrote:
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>>I use Mailwasher 2.0 - the free version. I don't think it can do

    what
    >>>>I'm looking for, but I'm looking for something free that might be
    >>>>able to.
    >>>>
    >>>>I own a domain of my own. I LIKE the idea of being able to use any
    >>>>email address that I can make up using the Pegasus Mail ID features,
    >>>>but I don't like the fact that people can spam wild cards at my
    >>>>domain name, for example .
    >>>
    >>>Take that up with whoever hosts your e-mail.
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>>So is there a way to filter and bounce ( like Mailwasher bounces )
    >>>>everything EXCEPT the names I'm using for my domain? Like having a
    >>>>table of good names, that I can keep and modify, and it will bounce
    >>>>everything BUT those?
    >>>
    >>>Bouncing is a BAD idea. It creates backscatter, among other things.
    >>>

    >>
    >>
    >> It doesn't stop them from sending spam to that address?
    >>
    >>
    >>

    >
    > But by bouncing they can see that the address they are using, although
    > invalid, is responding.
    >


    Only with a bounce. Don't they remove it then?



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    http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Coffee_/
    http://pleasehelpjennifer.com/
     
    Coffee Lover Girl, Oct 27, 2006
    #11
  12. "Mike Easter" <> wrote :

    > Coffee Lover Girl wrote:
    >> Evan Platt
    >>> Coffee Lover Girl

    >
    >>>> So is there a way to filter and bounce ( like Mailwasher bounces )
    >>>> everything EXCEPT the names I'm using for my domain? Like having a
    >>>> table of good names, that I can keep and modify, and it will bounce
    >>>> everything BUT those?
    >>>
    >>> Bouncing is a BAD idea. It creates backscatter, among other things.

    >>
    >> It doesn't stop them from sending spam to that address?

    >
    > MW bouncing is a very abusive behavior almost always and doesn't stop
    > any 'normal' spam. The information provided by MW about its bogus
    > bounces is a lie and you should configure MW to not bounce.
    >
    > Normal spam has a bogus From. When MW bounces, it creates a newmail
    > addressed to the bogus From, which is newmail is abusive and

    reportable
    > to such blocklisting services as spamcop.
    >
    > When a spamcop reporter or spamtrap receives that abusive bogus bounce
    > because their address appeared in your spam's bogus From, the reporter
    > derives your IP address and reports your abusive bogusbounce to your
    > provider. Your provider is whose role addresses you are forging on

    your
    > abusive bogusbounces, and when your bounces are reported your email
    > account can be endangered for your abusive bogus bouncing activity.


    I've been doing it for a long time without that happening.

    > The bogus bounces [almost] never go to the spamsource. Rarely a spam

    is
    > 'straightup' and the From = the source, but very rarely.
    >
    >



    So what are we supposed to do, just sit there and take tons of fricking
    spam?


    --
    Coffee Lover

    http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Coffee_/
    http://pleasehelpjennifer.com/
     
    Coffee Lover Girl, Oct 27, 2006
    #12
  13. Coffee Lover Girl

    Larry Crites Guest

    Are you getting spam at your scam domain?

    Larry
    Behold Beware Believe

    "Coffee Lover Girl" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > "Mike Easter" <> wrote :
    >
    >> Coffee Lover Girl wrote:
    >>> Evan Platt
    >>>> Coffee Lover Girl

    >>
    >>>>> So is there a way to filter and bounce ( like Mailwasher bounces )
    >>>>> everything EXCEPT the names I'm using for my domain? Like having a
    >>>>> table of good names, that I can keep and modify, and it will bounce
    >>>>> everything BUT those?
    >>>>
    >>>> Bouncing is a BAD idea. It creates backscatter, among other things.
    >>>
    >>> It doesn't stop them from sending spam to that address?

    >>
    >> MW bouncing is a very abusive behavior almost always and doesn't stop
    >> any 'normal' spam. The information provided by MW about its bogus
    >> bounces is a lie and you should configure MW to not bounce.
    >>
    >> Normal spam has a bogus From. When MW bounces, it creates a newmail
    >> addressed to the bogus From, which is newmail is abusive and

    > reportable
    >> to such blocklisting services as spamcop.
    >>
    >> When a spamcop reporter or spamtrap receives that abusive bogus bounce
    >> because their address appeared in your spam's bogus From, the reporter
    >> derives your IP address and reports your abusive bogusbounce to your
    >> provider. Your provider is whose role addresses you are forging on

    > your
    >> abusive bogusbounces, and when your bounces are reported your email
    >> account can be endangered for your abusive bogus bouncing activity.

    >
    > I've been doing it for a long time without that happening.
    >
    >> The bogus bounces [almost] never go to the spamsource. Rarely a spam

    > is
    >> 'straightup' and the From = the source, but very rarely.
    >>
    >>

    >
    >
    > So what are we supposed to do, just sit there and take tons of fricking
    > spam?
    >
    >
    > --
    > Coffee Lover
    >
    > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Coffee_/
    > http://pleasehelpjennifer.com/




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    Larry Crites, Oct 27, 2006
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  14. Coffee Lover Girl wrote:
    [bounces]
    > I've been doing it for a long time without that happening.


    You've been lucky. You've also annoyed thousands of innocent victims
    whose email IDs was used in forged FROM: fields.

    How does that make you feel?

    > So what are we supposed to do, just sit there and take tons of
    > fricking spam?


    a. get an ISP with a good spam filter
    b. get an email client with a good spam filter built in
    c. use a third-party spam filter with your good email client

    For b. above, try Thunderbird. It has a junk filter that can be set to
    route all perceived junk mail/spam to the trash, and the trash can be
    set to self-delete after a day.

    For c. above, that's a desperate last measure as I see it. T-bird does
    plenty well enough for me.

    Please stop the bounces.

    --
    -bts
    -Motorcycles defy gravity; cars just suck
     
    Beauregard T. Shagnasty, Oct 27, 2006
    #14
  15. "Beauregard T. Shagnasty" <> wrote :

    > Coffee Lover Girl wrote:
    > [bounces]
    >> I've been doing it for a long time without that happening.

    >
    > You've been lucky. You've also annoyed thousands of innocent victims
    > whose email IDs was used in forged FROM: fields.
    >
    > How does that make you feel?
    >
    >> So what are we supposed to do, just sit there and take tons of
    >> fricking spam?

    >
    > a. get an ISP with a good spam filter
    > b. get an email client with a good spam filter built in
    > c. use a third-party spam filter with your good email client
    >
    > For b. above, try Thunderbird. It has a junk filter that can be set to
    > route all perceived junk mail/spam to the trash, and the trash can be
    > set to self-delete after a day.
    >
    > For c. above, that's a desperate last measure as I see it. T-bird does
    > plenty well enough for me.
    >
    > Please stop the bounces.
    >



    Ok, you've convinced me. I contacted my ISP today and they explained to
    me how to edit my extranet domain names and get rid of the wild cards
    for all my domains, so I should get far less spam now. I won't bounce
    them anymore.

    I just wish some military types would start hunting down these spammers
    and making examples of them. Like their heads nailed to the city walls?
    Do you have any idea how much they cost us every year?

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    http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Coffee_/
    http://pleasehelpjennifer.com/
     
    Coffee Lover Girl, Oct 28, 2006
    #15
  16. Coffee Lover Girl wrote:

    > "Beauregard T. Shagnasty" <> wrote :
    >
    >> Coffee Lover Girl wrote:
    >> [bounces]
    >>> I've been doing it for a long time without that happening.

    >>
    >> You've been lucky. You've also annoyed thousands of innocent victims
    >> whose email IDs was used in forged FROM: fields.
    >>
    >> How does that make you feel?
    >>
    >>> So what are we supposed to do, just sit there and take tons of
    >>> fricking spam?

    >>
    >> a. get an ISP with a good spam filter
    >> b. get an email client with a good spam filter built in
    >> c. use a third-party spam filter with your good email client
    >>
    >> For b. above, try Thunderbird. It has a junk filter that can be set
    >> to route all perceived junk mail/spam to the trash, and the trash
    >> can be set to self-delete after a day.
    >>
    >> For c. above, that's a desperate last measure as I see it. T-bird
    >> does plenty well enough for me.
    >>
    >> Please stop the bounces.

    >
    > Ok, you've convinced me. I contacted my ISP today and they explained
    > to me how to edit my extranet domain names and get rid of the wild
    > cards for all my domains, so I should get far less spam now. I won't
    > bounce them anymore.


    A lot of people using their own domains through a hosting service forget
    about the catchall.

    > I just wish some military types would start hunting down these
    > spammers and making examples of them. Like their heads nailed to the
    > city walls? Do you have any idea how much they cost us every year?


    Billions.

    --
    -bts
    -Motorcycles defy gravity; cars just suck
     
    Beauregard T. Shagnasty, Oct 28, 2006
    #16
  17. "Beauregard T. Shagnasty" <> wrote :

    > Coffee Lover Girl wrote:
    >
    >> "Beauregard T. Shagnasty" <> wrote :
    >>
    >>> Coffee Lover Girl wrote:
    >>> [bounces]
    >>>> I've been doing it for a long time without that happening.
    >>>
    >>> You've been lucky. You've also annoyed thousands of innocent
    >>> victims whose email IDs was used in forged FROM: fields.
    >>>
    >>> How does that make you feel?
    >>>
    >>>> So what are we supposed to do, just sit there and take tons of
    >>>> fricking spam?
    >>>
    >>> a. get an ISP with a good spam filter
    >>> b. get an email client with a good spam filter built in
    >>> c. use a third-party spam filter with your good email client
    >>>
    >>> For b. above, try Thunderbird. It has a junk filter that can be set
    >>> to route all perceived junk mail/spam to the trash, and the trash
    >>> can be set to self-delete after a day.
    >>>
    >>> For c. above, that's a desperate last measure as I see it. T-bird
    >>> does plenty well enough for me.
    >>>
    >>> Please stop the bounces.

    >>
    >> Ok, you've convinced me. I contacted my ISP today and they explained
    >> to me how to edit my extranet domain names and get rid of the wild
    >> cards for all my domains, so I should get far less spam now. I won't
    >> bounce them anymore.

    >
    > A lot of people using their own domains through a hosting service
    > forget about the catchall.


    My ISP hosts my domains and they had a wild card * set up that was
    causing me lots of grief. I eliminated it now. Now I can add whatever
    email addresses I like to my domains, and just register it with their
    extranet settings page.

    >> I just wish some military types would start hunting down these
    >> spammers and making examples of them. Like their heads nailed to the
    >> city walls? Do you have any idea how much they cost us every year?

    >
    > Billions.
    >


    Yep. I even wonder, with some of the incredibly stupid trash being sent,
    whether our enemies are just using it as a harrassment tool.



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    http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Coffee_/
    http://pleasehelpjennifer.com/
     
    Coffee Lover Girl, Oct 28, 2006
    #17
  18. Coffee Lover Girl wrote:
    > I use Mailwasher 2.0 - the free version. I don't think it can do what
    > I'm looking for, but I'm looking for something free that might be able
    > to.
    >
    > I own a domain of my own. I LIKE the idea of being able to use any
    > email address that I can make up using the Pegasus Mail ID features,
    > but I don't like the fact that people can spam wild cards at my domain
    > name, for example .


    Nice way to treat that registered domain, which I trust isn't yours.
    Use example.com -- it's not registerable. Or the .invalid TLD.


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    Blinky the Shark, Oct 28, 2006
    #18
  19. Coffee Lover Girl

    Larry Crites Guest

    Like the spam you condone on your website?

    Larry
    Behold Beware Believe

    "Coffee Lover Girl" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > "Beauregard T. Shagnasty" <> wrote :
    >
    >> Coffee Lover Girl wrote:
    >> [bounces]
    >>> I've been doing it for a long time without that happening.

    >>
    >> You've been lucky. You've also annoyed thousands of innocent victims
    >> whose email IDs was used in forged FROM: fields.
    >>
    >> How does that make you feel?
    >>
    >>> So what are we supposed to do, just sit there and take tons of
    >>> fricking spam?

    >>
    >> a. get an ISP with a good spam filter
    >> b. get an email client with a good spam filter built in
    >> c. use a third-party spam filter with your good email client
    >>
    >> For b. above, try Thunderbird. It has a junk filter that can be set to
    >> route all perceived junk mail/spam to the trash, and the trash can be
    >> set to self-delete after a day.
    >>
    >> For c. above, that's a desperate last measure as I see it. T-bird does
    >> plenty well enough for me.
    >>
    >> Please stop the bounces.
    >>

    >
    >
    > Ok, you've convinced me. I contacted my ISP today and they explained to
    > me how to edit my extranet domain names and get rid of the wild cards
    > for all my domains, so I should get far less spam now. I won't bounce
    > them anymore.
    >
    > I just wish some military types would start hunting down these spammers
    > and making examples of them. Like their heads nailed to the city walls?
    > Do you have any idea how much they cost us every year?
    >
    > --
    > Coffee Lover
    >
    > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Coffee_/
    > http://pleasehelpjennifer.com/




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    Larry Crites, Oct 28, 2006
    #19
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