Do you agree with this advice from a job placement counselor?

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  1. DeMoN LaG

    DeMoN LaG Guest

    My job placement dude told my class tonight that if we want to get a job,
    this is how we should do it:
    Week 1:
    Send 5 emails a day, to 5 unique companies.
    Week 2:
    Send 5 emails a day, to 5 companies you didn't send a resume to yet
    Then resend the original email you sent that day of week 1
    Week 3:
    5 new companies, plus the 5 from week 2, plus the 5 from week 1
    Week 4:
    5 new companies, plus the 15 from weeks 1 through 3.


    Basically, he advocates picking random companies and sending out 250 copies
    of your resume over the course of 30 days. A company in the first week
    would get 4 copies of your resume. Honestly, I can't see how this would
    result in an interview. If anything, it'd result in sending an email to
    abuse@<isp>. He doesn't suggest responding to job ads, just find any human
    resource email and start blanket emailing the hell out of them until they
    respond. Almost sounds like spam, only the product you are spamming for is
    yourself.

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    DeMoN LaG, Jan 31, 2004
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    Chet Guest

    Before you do anything else, make sure you have a resume that shows your own
    accomplishments, if any. Resumes that are full of things like "associated
    with a group that did such and such" or "trained in thus and so" are a waste
    of time and paper.

    Make sure all communications are carefully composed and checked for spelling
    and punctuation. Some people get so used to the informalities of email that
    they skip this important step. Most important of all, triple check the
    spelling of the company you are writing to and the name of the person you
    are addressing. Don't try to get the attention of the reader by
    capitalizing words and phrases, it just makes it hard to read and goes to
    the bottom of the stack. If you have trouble with spelling or punctuation,
    have somebody else look over it.

    Many company websites show their own guidelines/rules for sending resumes
    electronically. Look for that and follow their guidelines exactly. Forget
    your pretty fonts and formatting and do what they want.
    "DeMoN LaG" <n@a> wrote in message
    news:Xns948118099736FWobbly@216.168.3.30...
    > My job placement dude told my class tonight that if we want to get a job,
    > this is how we should do it:
    > Week 1:
    > Send 5 emails a day, to 5 unique companies.
    > Week 2:
    > Send 5 emails a day, to 5 companies you didn't send a resume to yet
    > Then resend the original email you sent that day of week 1
    > Week 3:
    > 5 new companies, plus the 5 from week 2, plus the 5 from week 1
    > Week 4:
    > 5 new companies, plus the 15 from weeks 1 through 3.
    >
    >
    > Basically, he advocates picking random companies and sending out 250

    copies
    > of your resume over the course of 30 days. A company in the first week
    > would get 4 copies of your resume. Honestly, I can't see how this would
    > result in an interview. If anything, it'd result in sending an email to
    > abuse@<isp>. He doesn't suggest responding to job ads, just find any

    human
    > resource email and start blanket emailing the hell out of them until they
    > respond. Almost sounds like spam, only the product you are spamming for

    is
    > yourself.
    >
    > --
    > AIM: FrznFoodClerk
    > email: de_on-lag@co_cast.net (_ = m)
    > website: under construction
    > Need a technician in the south Jersey area?
    > email/IM for rates/services
     
    Chet, Jan 31, 2004
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  3. DeMoN LaG

    Duane Arnold Guest

    DeMoN LaG <n@a> wrote in news:Xns948118099736FWobbly@216.168.3.30:

    > My job placement dude told my class tonight that if we want to get a
    > job, this is how we should do it:
    > Week 1:
    > Send 5 emails a day, to 5 unique companies.
    > Week 2:
    > Send 5 emails a day, to 5 companies you didn't send a resume to yet
    > Then resend the original email you sent that day of week 1
    > Week 3:
    > 5 new companies, plus the 5 from week 2, plus the 5 from week 1
    > Week 4:
    > 5 new companies, plus the 15 from weeks 1 through 3.
    >
    >
    > Basically, he advocates picking random companies and sending out 250
    > copies of your resume over the course of 30 days. A company in the
    > first week would get 4 copies of your resume. Honestly, I can't see
    > how this would result in an interview. If anything, it'd result in
    > sending an email to abuse@<isp>. He doesn't suggest responding to job
    > ads, just find any human resource email and start blanket emailing the
    > hell out of them until they respond. Almost sounds like spam, only
    > the product you are spamming for is yourself.
    >


    It will never work, IMHO. You do a mass mailing like that in your case to
    consulting firms letting them know you're out there, like about a month
    before a contract ends. And then you follow-up with a phone call and make
    personal contact letting them know you're looking for an assignment.

    As for getting a permanent job, you have to make your resume standout from
    the rest, by not being sloppy with spelling errors, sentence structure,
    grammar, etc. and give your work history and major accomplishments and
    education - short and to the point - use good print paper. No recruiter
    wants to see 9 pages of a resume. It will hit the trash can. You should
    keep the resume no more than 2 pages at most.

    Once you send the resume, make contact with a follow-up phone call to see
    that they have gotten it. You should make yourself standout from the rest
    and make them notice you and your resume. Other qualified people are
    sending their resume in as well. You have to go after the job by being a
    little aggressive. Hey look it's me I want the job let me talk to you. Let
    me tell you what I can do. Can I get an appointment with you to talk about
    it?

    You know a little something along those lines in the approach to getting a
    job.

    A lot of companies don't accept resumes. Go online to find jobs as well and
    follow-up.

    Duane :)
     
    Duane Arnold, Jan 31, 2004
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    DeMoN LaG Guest

    Duane Arnold <> wrote in
    news:Xns948173C42E511notmwnotmecom@204.127.199.17:

    > Once you send the resume, make contact with a follow-up phone call to
    > see that they have gotten it. You should make yourself standout from
    > the rest and make them notice you and your resume. Other qualified
    > people are sending their resume in as well. You have to go after the
    > job by being a little aggressive. Hey look it's me I want the job let
    > me talk to you. Let me tell you what I can do. Can I get an
    > appointment with you to talk about it?
    >


    See, this was my theory. Send an email resume, followed by sending a snail
    mail copy, and a few weeks later give them a phone call and ask if they got
    it, what they thought, if we could set up an interview, etc. But then
    again, this is the placement guy who landed a graduating student a $9.25/hr
    job to replace her $15/hr secretary job.

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    DeMoN LaG, Jan 31, 2004
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  5. DeMoN LaG

    George Guest

    So, you're looking too! (I've been out of work 2 years now.) I doubt that
    what he suggested will work as generally email and emailed resumes don't
    seem to get anywhere near the recognition or response of hard copy. The
    closest I've come to landing something has generally been from finding
    companies that use the skills that I have, doing a bit of research, phoning,
    getting a real name to deal with, and sending in a (nice, very nice) copy of
    my resume with a cover letter and following up. Unfortunately, the jobs I
    didn't get didn't even go to someone else, they evaporated when the business
    climate didn't improve as the companies in question expected it to. If your
    "job placement dude" is DBM, you should have taken the free lunch at
    McDonald's instead as I didn't find them to be very useful at all...in fact
    it was depressing to see the same people week after week w/o any of them
    getting jobs (several of them eventually decided to offer consulting
    services in order to eat).

    I do have a friend who used to be a personnel manager at various companies
    and his suggestion (I haven't tried it yet, only ran into him a couple of
    days ago) was to rent a mailing list and make a mass-mailing of at least
    (yes, AT LEAST) 5,000 resumes complete with cover letters. It'll cost a few
    bucks, but if you're recently laid-off you have more now than you'll have
    later and are more easily re-employable at this stage.

    Good luck,
    George


    "DeMoN LaG" <n@a> wrote in message
    news:Xns948118099736FWobbly@216.168.3.30...
    > My job placement dude told my class tonight that if we want to get a job,
    > this is how we should do it:
    > Week 1:
    > Send 5 emails a day, to 5 unique companies.
    > Week 2:
    > Send 5 emails a day, to 5 companies you didn't send a resume to yet
    > Then resend the original email you sent that day of week 1
    > Week 3:
    > 5 new companies, plus the 5 from week 2, plus the 5 from week 1
    > Week 4:
    > 5 new companies, plus the 15 from weeks 1 through 3.
    >
    >
    > Basically, he advocates picking random companies and sending out 250

    copies
    > of your resume over the course of 30 days. A company in the first week
    > would get 4 copies of your resume. Honestly, I can't see how this would
    > result in an interview. If anything, it'd result in sending an email to
    > abuse@<isp>. He doesn't suggest responding to job ads, just find any

    human
    > resource email and start blanket emailing the hell out of them until they
    > respond. Almost sounds like spam, only the product you are spamming for

    is
    > yourself.
    >
    > --
    > AIM: FrznFoodClerk
    > email: de_on-lag@co_cast.net (_ = m)
    > website: under construction
    > Need a technician in the south Jersey area?
    > email/IM for rates/services
     
    George, Jan 31, 2004
    #5
  6. DeMoN LaG

    Michael-NC Guest

    I'd do it. In two 2 weeks you'll have over 10,000 dollars if you follow the
    instructions carefully and add your name to the bottom of the list...


    "DeMoN LaG" <n@a> wrote in message
    news:Xns948118099736FWobbly@216.168.3.30...
    > My job placement dude told my class tonight that if we want to get a job,
    > this is how we should do it:
    > Week 1:
    > Send 5 emails a day, to 5 unique companies.
    > Week 2:
    > Send 5 emails a day, to 5 companies you didn't send a resume to yet
    > Then resend the original email you sent that day of week 1
    > Week 3:
    > 5 new companies, plus the 5 from week 2, plus the 5 from week 1
    > Week 4:
    > 5 new companies, plus the 15 from weeks 1 through 3.
    >
    >
    > Basically, he advocates picking random companies and sending out 250

    copies
    > of your resume over the course of 30 days. A company in the first week
    > would get 4 copies of your resume. Honestly, I can't see how this would
    > result in an interview. If anything, it'd result in sending an email to
    > abuse@<isp>. He doesn't suggest responding to job ads, just find any

    human
    > resource email and start blanket emailing the hell out of them until they
    > respond. Almost sounds like spam, only the product you are spamming for

    is
    > yourself.
    >
    > --
    > AIM: FrznFoodClerk
    > email: de_on-lag@co_cast.net (_ = m)
    > website: under construction
    > Need a technician in the south Jersey area?
    > email/IM for rates/services
     
    Michael-NC, Feb 1, 2004
    #6
  7. Reminds me of Lamers who send out Spam actually because basically that's exactly what you'd be doing with your resumé, BUT you
    *might* get a job with SpamCop or some other such organisation after the places you targetted forward your information to them!
    lol ;)


    "DeMoN LaG" <n@a> wrote in message news:Xns948118099736FWobbly@216.168.3.30...
    > My job placement dude told my class tonight that if we want to get a job,
    > this is how we should do it:
    > Week 1:
    > Send 5 emails a day, to 5 unique companies.
    > Week 2:
    > Send 5 emails a day, to 5 companies you didn't send a resume to yet
    > Then resend the original email you sent that day of week 1
    > Week 3:
    > 5 new companies, plus the 5 from week 2, plus the 5 from week 1
    > Week 4:
    > 5 new companies, plus the 15 from weeks 1 through 3.
    >
    >
    > Basically, he advocates picking random companies and sending out 250 copies
    > of your resume over the course of 30 days. A company in the first week
    > would get 4 copies of your resume. Honestly, I can't see how this would
    > result in an interview. If anything, it'd result in sending an email to
    > abuse@<isp>. He doesn't suggest responding to job ads, just find any human
    > resource email and start blanket emailing the hell out of them until they
    > respond. Almost sounds like spam, only the product you are spamming for is
    > yourself.
    >
    > --
    > AIM: FrznFoodClerk
    > email: de_on-lag@co_cast.net (_ = m)
    > website: under construction
    > Need a technician in the south Jersey area?
    > email/IM for rates/services
     
    Mike the Kiwi, Feb 1, 2004
    #7
  8. I'm not sure if I would go along with that advice either. Spam is
    spam, no matter what.
    Consider this: Some large companies have scanners which they feed
    resumes into. Don't laugh, I'm not talking about a shredder. If they
    get 200 resumes a day, it is unlikely that they read each one.
    Companies like S.C. Johnson in Racine WI, have such a machine. It
    scans and looks for KEY WORDS on your resume. If you use enough of
    these key words, your resume goes into the 'good' pile, to be read by
    a real person. I forget the title, but I have actually seen a book of
    'key words' at the library, for defeating such machines. What they
    are really are is 'Action Verbs', such as: Accelerated, Calculated,
    Administered, coordinated, generated, improved, introduced, expedited,
    turned around, led, solved, etc. When you use enough of the words,
    the machine has been programed to look for, you are starting to win.

    Also, if you are responding to an ad in the paper, it is good to use
    the exact title in the ad, as your objective. i.e. 'LAN and network
    administrator' rather than some generic thing. Keep one copy of your
    resume with a 'blank objective'. Type it in by each job title and hit
    print.

    Consider this: Use plain white paper with sharp crisp letters.
    Chances are that COPIES of your original will be made and circulated.
    Your original on fancy paper may never make it to the person actually
    doing the hiring.

    I hope the best for you folks who are out of work, or working below
    your capacity. Maybe some of these tricks and insights will give you
    an edge up on your competition. KK

    In response to the whole post.

    "Mike the Kiwi" <> wrote in message news:<>...
    > Reminds me of Lamers who send out Spam actually because basically that's exactly what you'd be doing with your resumé, BUT you
    > *might* get a job with SpamCop or some other such organisation after the places you targetted forward your information to them!
    > lol ;)
    >
    >
    > "DeMoN LaG" <n@a> wrote in message news:Xns948118099736FWobbly@216.168.3.30...
    > > My job placement dude told my class tonight that if we want to get a job,
    > > this is how we should do it:
    > > Week 1:
    > > Send 5 emails a day, to 5 unique companies.
    > > Week 2:
    > > Send 5 emails a day, to 5 companies you didn't send a resume to yet
    > > Then resend the original email you sent that day of week 1
    > > Week 3:
    > > 5 new companies, plus the 5 from week 2, plus the 5 from week 1
    > > Week 4:
    > > 5 new companies, plus the 15 from weeks 1 through 3.
    > >
    > >
    > > Basically, he advocates picking random companies and sending out 250 copies
    > > of your resume over the course of 30 days. A company in the first week
    > > would get 4 copies of your resume. Honestly, I can't see how this would
    > > result in an interview. If anything, it'd result in sending an email to
    > > abuse@<isp>. He doesn't suggest responding to job ads, just find any human
    > > resource email and start blanket emailing the hell out of them until they
    > > respond. Almost sounds like spam, only the product you are spamming for is
    > > yourself.
    > >
    > > --
    > > AIM: FrznFoodClerk
    > > email: de_on-lag@co_cast.net (_ = m)
    > > website: under construction
    > > Need a technician in the south Jersey area?
    > > email/IM for rates/services
     
    keith kichefski, Feb 1, 2004
    #8
  9. Cheers m8, I was taking the piss out of it!

    (c:



    "keith kichefski" <> wrote in message news:...
    > I'm not sure if I would go along with that advice either. Spam is
    > spam, no matter what.
    > Consider this: Some large companies have scanners which they feed
    > resumes into. Don't laugh, I'm not talking about a shredder. If they
    > get 200 resumes a day, it is unlikely that they read each one.
    > Companies like S.C. Johnson in Racine WI, have such a machine. It
    > scans and looks for KEY WORDS on your resume. If you use enough of
    > these key words, your resume goes into the 'good' pile, to be read by
    > a real person. I forget the title, but I have actually seen a book of
    > 'key words' at the library, for defeating such machines. What they
    > are really are is 'Action Verbs', such as: Accelerated, Calculated,
    > Administered, coordinated, generated, improved, introduced, expedited,
    > turned around, led, solved, etc. When you use enough of the words,
    > the machine has been programed to look for, you are starting to win.
    >
    > Also, if you are responding to an ad in the paper, it is good to use
    > the exact title in the ad, as your objective. i.e. 'LAN and network
    > administrator' rather than some generic thing. Keep one copy of your
    > resume with a 'blank objective'. Type it in by each job title and hit
    > print.
    >
    > Consider this: Use plain white paper with sharp crisp letters.
    > Chances are that COPIES of your original will be made and circulated.
    > Your original on fancy paper may never make it to the person actually
    > doing the hiring.
    >
    > I hope the best for you folks who are out of work, or working below
    > your capacity. Maybe some of these tricks and insights will give you
    > an edge up on your competition. KK
    >
    > In response to the whole post.
    >
    > "Mike the Kiwi" <> wrote in message news:<>...
    > > Reminds me of Lamers who send out Spam actually because basically that's exactly what you'd be doing with your resumé, BUT you
    > > *might* get a job with SpamCop or some other such organisation after the places you targetted forward your information to

    them!
    > > lol ;)
    > >
    > >
    > > "DeMoN LaG" <n@a> wrote in message news:Xns948118099736FWobbly@216.168.3.30...
    > > > My job placement dude told my class tonight that if we want to get a job,
    > > > this is how we should do it:
    > > > Week 1:
    > > > Send 5 emails a day, to 5 unique companies.
    > > > Week 2:
    > > > Send 5 emails a day, to 5 companies you didn't send a resume to yet
    > > > Then resend the original email you sent that day of week 1
    > > > Week 3:
    > > > 5 new companies, plus the 5 from week 2, plus the 5 from week 1
    > > > Week 4:
    > > > 5 new companies, plus the 15 from weeks 1 through 3.
    > > >
    > > >
    > > > Basically, he advocates picking random companies and sending out 250 copies
    > > > of your resume over the course of 30 days. A company in the first week
    > > > would get 4 copies of your resume. Honestly, I can't see how this would
    > > > result in an interview. If anything, it'd result in sending an email to
    > > > abuse@<isp>. He doesn't suggest responding to job ads, just find any human
    > > > resource email and start blanket emailing the hell out of them until they
    > > > respond. Almost sounds like spam, only the product you are spamming for is
    > > > yourself.
    > > >
    > > > --
    > > > AIM: FrznFoodClerk
    > > > email: de_on-lag@co_cast.net (_ = m)
    > > > website: under construction
    > > > Need a technician in the south Jersey area?
    > > > email/IM for rates/services
     
    Mike the Kiwi, Feb 1, 2004
    #9
  10. DeMoN LaG

    Trent© Guest

    On Sat, 31 Jan 2004 07:21:32 -0000, DeMoN LaG <n@a> wrote:

    >My job placement dude told my class tonight that if we want to get a job,
    >this is how we should do it:
    >Week 1:
    >Send 5 emails a day, to 5 unique companies.
    >Week 2:
    >Send 5 emails a day, to 5 companies you didn't send a resume to yet
    >Then resend the original email you sent that day of week 1
    >Week 3:
    >5 new companies, plus the 5 from week 2, plus the 5 from week 1
    >Week 4:
    >5 new companies, plus the 15 from weeks 1 through 3.


    Your job placement counselor is the one who should be getting you the
    job! What kind of a school are you going to? Tell them to hire a new
    job placement counselor!! lol

    >Basically, he advocates picking random companies and sending out 250 copies
    >of your resume over the course of 30 days.


    Did he say where yer supposed to GET these random company names?! lol

    >A company in the first week
    >would get 4 copies of your resume. Honestly, I can't see how this would
    >result in an interview. If anything, it'd result in sending an email to
    >abuse@<isp>. He doesn't suggest responding to job ads, just find any human
    >resource email and start blanket emailing the hell out of them until they
    >respond. Almost sounds like spam, only the product you are spamming for is
    >yourself.


    To use your occasional 'way with words'...

    HE'S AN IDIOT!!!!

    I've done considerable hiring over the years. Here's a few
    suggestions...in no particular order...

    1. NEVER send a resume'...NEVER! All the other sheep are gonna send
    resumes.

    You want to stand out from the crowd...there's a lot of competition
    out there. Yer not gonna stand out if you act like one of the sheep.

    Send a letter...outlining the ACCOMPLISHMENTS you've made with your
    various employers. You don't even need to mention company names at
    this point. Then tell them that yer in the process of revising yer
    resume'...and that you'll bring it with you to the interview.

    People get hired because of their PERSONALITY...and how it blends with
    the interviewer...PERIOD!! People NEVER get hired because they can do
    the job. Nobody KNOWS yet that they can do the job! They get hired
    because of their personality...expressed at an INTERVIEW!

    So...if you give all the details they want in a resume'...they'll be
    no reason to contact you. And you'll lose the opportunity to
    demonstrate YOU...yer personality. You'll seldom get an interview if
    they have all the FACTS they need.

    So...only send a letter. And make SURE you ask for an interview in
    that letter. You need to sell YOU...and yer only gonna be able to do
    that in person.

    2. Register with a temp agency. In today's market, employees are
    evaluated before they're hired...and that's done easily thru a temp
    agency.

    3. Never be the first to send in your letter. Send it at the last
    moment...but be sure it'll get there for the deadline. Especially in
    jobs where there will be a lot of applicants, the first to be read are
    often the first to be forgotten. The later ones are usually the ones
    that'll be recalled in memory more often.

    4. Look up some key words that respond to the female psyche...and try
    to use some of them in your letter. Most large corporations now have
    personnel departments...and the majority of employees in that
    department are often female. So...chances are very good that yer
    letter is gonna be read by a woman. You need to catch her eye with
    your letter.

    Even the APPROACH of the letter needs to be different. This has been
    discussed on many talk shows recently...and it makes sense. You might
    even be able to find something about this with a Google search.

    5. Take several part-time jobs (1-2 hours a day...or even a week)
    that most people won't want. Add them all toghether...and they often
    can equal more than 40 hrs./week.

    This is also good job security. If one of them eventually fires you,
    you have all the rest to keep you going. And, per hour, they often
    pay more than a 40-hour job...because they don't feel they offer job
    security. So that try to entice folks with a higher per hour rate.

    6. If all help fails...hire yourself! Many millionaires have been
    born this way!

    Good luck, Jim.



    Trent

    Follow Joan Rivers' example --- get pre-embalmed!



    Have a nice week...

    Trent

    Follow Joan Rivers' example --- get pre-embalmed!
     
    Trent©, Feb 2, 2004
    #10
  11. DeMoN LaG

    DeMoN LaG Guest

    Trent© <> wrote in
    news::

    > Your job placement counselor is the one who should be getting you the
    > job! What kind of a school are you going to? Tell them to hire a new
    > job placement counselor!! lol


    They did hire a new one. Our old one never found anyone a job, this guy
    found someone a part time job making $9.something an hour.

    > Did he say where yer supposed to GET these random company names?! lol


    I'd assumed it was the job posting list he puts on the bulletin board.
    Basically from what I can tell, he goes to Monster, types "Networking"
    into the search box and then just keeps clicking print.

    I would say 95% of the jobs he posts require 5+ years experience and a
    Bachelor's. It's like, sure, this company who wants that much experience
    and school is going to hire anyone who is coming fresh out of school with
    an AS and 0 experience. Right. His explanation was we should apply for
    those jobs anyway, since they are hiring for a Sr. Network Administrator
    they are probably hiring for something lower, so that means we could get
    that job instead.

    Following his lists, I've basically just got replies stating:
    "We're sorry, you do not have the necessary qualifications or experience
    to be considered for this job."

    So yes, in my own words, He's an idiot.

    --
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    email: de_on-lag@co_cast.net (_ = m)
    website: under construction
    Need a technician in the south Jersey area?
    email/IM for rates/services
     
    DeMoN LaG, Feb 2, 2004
    #11
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