Disney censors old cartoons for DVD

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  1. Gerry

    Gerry Guest

    Disney adds PC touches to old cartoons

    Andy Seiler
    USA Today
    Jun. 18, 2003 12:00 AM

    Eagle-eyed animation fans say there's something strange abreast with
    Knickknack, the critically acclaimed 1989 short that precedes Disney-Pixar's
    Finding Nemo at theaters nationwide.

    The short follows the hapless attempts of a lonely snow-globe snowman to
    escape his domain and join a plastic Miami beach bunny. Fans of the film,
    which was released on a G-rated 1996 video collection called Tiny Toy
    Stories, say the Miami beauty and a mermaid, who appears at the end of the
    short, originally were more well-endowed.

    "In the original, the girls have breasts the size of large grapefruit," says
    Raymond Tucker of Greensboro, N.C. "In the new version, the breasts just
    aren't there."

    Though Disney and Pixar aren't talking, fans say the reduction reduces the
    humor of the short.

    Paul Poroshin, 23, an animation buff from Old Bridge, N.J., suspects the
    women were deflated to make the short more politically correct.

    "It can be argued that this breast removal does nothing to the story or that
    it's just some sexual male thing, but to me it's all about intent and the
    vision of an artist," Poroshin says. "The snowman is after a large-breasted
    girl. His facial expressions tell it all, especially when, in the end, he
    dunks in the fish tank and gets trapped again."

    Though it's not clear whether Pixar or Disney made the change, Disney has a
    history of making subtle changes when reissuing a classic that includes
    aspects that might be less savory to modern viewers:


     In the short The Three Little Pigs (1933), the wolf originally tried to
    get into a pig's house by pretending to be a Jewish salesman, with a mask
    and a Yiddish accent. The scene was reanimated, probably in the 1940s, to
    make the wolf look and sound more like he does elsewhere in the cartoon.


     When the feature Melody Time (1948) was released on DVD and video in 2000,
    Pecos Bill's omnipresent cigarette was digitally removed from his mouth in
    every frame. Gone is the memorable sequence in which he rolls one and grabs
    a thundercloud to light the cigarette with a lightning bolt.


     Even in the supposedly uncut, restored Fantasia (1940) released on DVD in
    2000, a black "centaurette," the servant of a white centaurette, has been
    eliminated, according to animation historian Jerry Beck.

    "These films need to be treated like classic films, not kids' fodder," says
    Beck, editor of cartoonresearch.com and author of the upcoming book Outlaw
    Animation. "Would they cut a frame from The Wizard of Oz or Citizen Kane?
    No."

    Ironically, Beck says, Disney treats its classic cartoons better than other
    studios. "Disney is the only company to treat these films with a lot of
    respect," he says. He singles out Disney's ongoing DVD series Walt Disney
    Treasures (sample titles: The Complete Goofy, Mickey Mouse in Black and
    White, Silly Symphonies) as an example of well-done cartoon reissues. The
    series includes the censored version of Pigs.
    Gerry, Jul 2, 2003
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  2. Gerry

    Gerry Guest


    > Disney STILL hasn't bothered to release "Song of the South" on DVD
    > (just on LaserDisc). Oh well....


    Be sure it will be heavily cut for DVD to make it political correct.
    Gerry, Jul 2, 2003
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    Mike Dobony Guest

    "Gerry"
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    > Disney adds PC touches to old cartoons
    >
    > Andy Seiler
    > USA Today
    > Jun. 18, 2003 12:00 AM
    >
    > Eagle-eyed animation fans say there's something strange abreast with
    > Knickknack, the critically acclaimed 1989 short that precedes

    Disney-Pixar's
    > Finding Nemo at theaters nationwide.
    >
    > The short follows the hapless attempts of a lonely snow-globe snowman to
    > escape his domain and join a plastic Miami beach bunny. Fans of the film,
    > which was released on a G-rated 1996 video collection called Tiny Toy
    > Stories, say the Miami beauty and a mermaid, who appears at the end of the
    > short, originally were more well-endowed.
    >
    > "In the original, the girls have breasts the size of large grapefruit,"

    says
    > Raymond Tucker of Greensboro, N.C. "In the new version, the breasts just
    > aren't there."
    >
    > Though Disney and Pixar aren't talking, fans say the reduction reduces the
    > humor of the short.
    >
    > Paul Poroshin, 23, an animation buff from Old Bridge, N.J., suspects the
    > women were deflated to make the short more politically correct.
    >
    > "It can be argued that this breast removal does nothing to the story or

    that
    > it's just some sexual male thing, but to me it's all about intent and the
    > vision of an artist," Poroshin says. "The snowman is after a

    large-breasted
    > girl. His facial expressions tell it all, especially when, in the end, he
    > dunks in the fish tank and gets trapped again."
    >
    > Though it's not clear whether Pixar or Disney made the change, Disney has

    a
    > history of making subtle changes when reissuing a classic that includes
    > aspects that might be less savory to modern viewers:
    >


    You forget that Disney is the producer of kiddy porn. And do you really
    want a kids program promoting sexual arrousal?

    >
    >  In the short The Three Little Pigs (1933), the wolf originally tried to
    > get into a pig's house by pretending to be a Jewish salesman, with a mask
    > and a Yiddish accent. The scene was reanimated, probably in the 1940s, to
    > make the wolf look and sound more like he does elsewhere in the cartoon.
    >
    >
    >  When the feature Melody Time (1948) was released on DVD and video in

    2000,
    > Pecos Bill's omnipresent cigarette was digitally removed from his mouth in
    > every frame. Gone is the memorable sequence in which he rolls one and

    grabs
    > a thundercloud to light the cigarette with a lightning bolt.
    >


    Should Disney promote smoking? I think not!

    >
    >  Even in the supposedly uncut, restored Fantasia (1940) released on DVD

    in
    > 2000, a black "centaurette," the servant of a white centaurette, has been
    > eliminated, according to animation historian Jerry Beck.
    >
    > "These films need to be treated like classic films, not kids' fodder,"

    says
    > Beck, editor of cartoonresearch.com and author of the upcoming book Outlaw
    > Animation. "Would they cut a frame from The Wizard of Oz or Citizen Kane?
    > No."
    >


    Disney, in its own brand name movies needs to keep it's image clean and
    wholesome, even if it's other subsidiaries promote dog droppings.


    --
    Mike D.

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    > Ironically, Beck says, Disney treats its classic cartoons better than

    other
    > studios. "Disney is the only company to treat these films with a lot of
    > respect," he says. He singles out Disney's ongoing DVD series Walt Disney
    > Treasures (sample titles: The Complete Goofy, Mickey Mouse in Black and
    > White, Silly Symphonies) as an example of well-done cartoon reissues. The
    > series includes the censored version of Pigs.
    >
    >



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  4. Gerry

    Gerry Guest


    > You forget that Disney is the producer of kiddy porn. And do you really
    > want a kids program promoting sexual arrousal?


    Disney is the producer of kiddy porn? You are probably nuts. It's impossible
    to see something even naked in Disney cartoons/movies.

    > Should Disney promote smoking? I think not!


    If you will watch Disney cartoons, you will notice that characters
    "promoting" beating/blasting/pressing of each other. Even murdering, of
    course in cartoonish way. Is it better than smoking, which is BTW
    associating with bad guys?

    > Disney, in its own brand name movies needs to keep it's image clean and
    > wholesome


    That's why Disney movies sucks. I'm personally associate name of Walt Disney
    Pictures with something primitive and unoriginal.
    Gerry, Jul 2, 2003
    #4
  5. Gerry

    WKC Guest

    It's TRUE. I recently bought SNOW WHITE on DVD. Imagine my surprise when I
    saw that they had digitally altered her skin to appear black!!! Talk about
    PC!!

    WKC.
    "Gerry"
    <Gerryyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
    yyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
    yyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
    y> wrote in message
    news:3f02da99$0$53607$...
    > Disney adds PC touches to old cartoons
    >
    > Andy Seiler
    > USA Today
    > Jun. 18, 2003 12:00 AM
    >
    > Eagle-eyed animation fans say there's something strange abreast with
    > Knickknack, the critically acclaimed 1989 short that precedes

    Disney-Pixar's
    > Finding Nemo at theaters nationwide.
    >
    > The short follows the hapless attempts of a lonely snow-globe snowman to
    > escape his domain and join a plastic Miami beach bunny. Fans of the film,
    > which was released on a G-rated 1996 video collection called Tiny Toy
    > Stories, say the Miami beauty and a mermaid, who appears at the end of the
    > short, originally were more well-endowed.
    >
    > "In the original, the girls have breasts the size of large grapefruit,"

    says
    > Raymond Tucker of Greensboro, N.C. "In the new version, the breasts just
    > aren't there."
    >
    > Though Disney and Pixar aren't talking, fans say the reduction reduces the
    > humor of the short.
    >
    > Paul Poroshin, 23, an animation buff from Old Bridge, N.J., suspects the
    > women were deflated to make the short more politically correct.
    >
    > "It can be argued that this breast removal does nothing to the story or

    that
    > it's just some sexual male thing, but to me it's all about intent and the
    > vision of an artist," Poroshin says. "The snowman is after a

    large-breasted
    > girl. His facial expressions tell it all, especially when, in the end, he
    > dunks in the fish tank and gets trapped again."
    >
    > Though it's not clear whether Pixar or Disney made the change, Disney has

    a
    > history of making subtle changes when reissuing a classic that includes
    > aspects that might be less savory to modern viewers:
    >
    >
    >  In the short The Three Little Pigs (1933), the wolf originally tried to
    > get into a pig's house by pretending to be a Jewish salesman, with a mask
    > and a Yiddish accent. The scene was reanimated, probably in the 1940s, to
    > make the wolf look and sound more like he does elsewhere in the cartoon.
    >
    >
    >  When the feature Melody Time (1948) was released on DVD and video in

    2000,
    > Pecos Bill's omnipresent cigarette was digitally removed from his mouth in
    > every frame. Gone is the memorable sequence in which he rolls one and

    grabs
    > a thundercloud to light the cigarette with a lightning bolt.
    >
    >
    >  Even in the supposedly uncut, restored Fantasia (1940) released on DVD

    in
    > 2000, a black "centaurette," the servant of a white centaurette, has been
    > eliminated, according to animation historian Jerry Beck.
    >
    > "These films need to be treated like classic films, not kids' fodder,"

    says
    > Beck, editor of cartoonresearch.com and author of the upcoming book Outlaw
    > Animation. "Would they cut a frame from The Wizard of Oz or Citizen Kane?
    > No."
    >
    > Ironically, Beck says, Disney treats its classic cartoons better than

    other
    > studios. "Disney is the only company to treat these films with a lot of
    > respect," he says. He singles out Disney's ongoing DVD series Walt Disney
    > Treasures (sample titles: The Complete Goofy, Mickey Mouse in Black and
    > White, Silly Symphonies) as an example of well-done cartoon reissues. The
    > series includes the censored version of Pigs.
    >
    >
    WKC, Jul 2, 2003
    #5
  6. Gerry

    Tarkus Guest

    On Wed, 02 Jul 2003 16:00:34 GMT, WKC wrote:

    > It's TRUE. I recently bought SNOW WHITE on DVD. Imagine my surprise when I
    > saw that they had digitally altered her skin to appear black!!! Talk about
    > PC!!


    No, you're thinking of COAL BLACK.
    --
    "I may be bad...but I feel gooood."

    Now playing: nothing
    Tarkus, Jul 2, 2003
    #6
  7. Gerry

    Juan F Lara Guest

    In article <3f02f38f$0$34132$>,
    Gerry <> wrote:

    > If you will watch Disney cartoons, you will notice that characters
    > "promoting" beating/blasting/pressing of each other. Even murdering, of
    > course in cartoonish way. Is it better than smoking, which is BTW
    > associating with bad guys?


    What are you talking about? That sounds more like Warner and MGM cartoons
    to me. These are cartoons and one of the fun things you can do in cartoons is
    that you can do these violent gags that defy reality. They're all just paint
    on cels, pal.

    - Juan F. Lara
    http://bellsouthpwp.net/l/a/lara6281/intro.html
    Juan F Lara, Jul 2, 2003
    #7
  8. Gerry

    Bill Steele Guest

    Gerry> wrote:

    > Disney is the producer of kiddy porn? You are probably nuts.


    It's what kiddies think of as porn, or at least used to. Annette Funicello
    in a tutu, Hayley Mills in her underwear...
    Bill Steele, Jul 2, 2003
    #8
  9. At least Prince Chawmin' was left alone.

    (But that's a military secret!)

    "Tarkus" <> wrote in message
    news:9.com...
    > On Wed, 02 Jul 2003 16:00:34 GMT, WKC wrote:
    >
    > > It's TRUE. I recently bought SNOW WHITE on DVD. Imagine my surprise

    when I
    > > saw that they had digitally altered her skin to appear black!!! Talk

    about
    > > PC!!

    >
    > No, you're thinking of COAL BLACK.
    > --
    > "I may be bad...but I feel gooood."
    >
    > Now playing: nothing
    Patrick McCart, Jul 2, 2003
    #9
  10. On Wed, 2 Jul 2003, Patrick McCart wrote:

    > At least Prince Chawmin' was left alone.
    >
    > (But that's a military secret!)


    He's got it bad, and that ain't good!

    swac
    Anyone know of any other '40s cartoons that reference Citizen Kane?
    Stephen Cooke, Jul 2, 2003
    #10
  11. Gerry

    Jay G Guest

    <> wrote
    > >Paul Poroshin, 23, an animation buff from Old Bridge, N.J., suspects the
    > >women were deflated to make the short more politically correct.

    >
    > Maybe that isn't it? Maybe Eisner's a transexual and was envious?


    Why would someone be envious? Those breasts were obviously fake!!

    -Jay
    Jay G, Jul 3, 2003
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  12. Gerry

    Bill Steele Guest

    In article <>,
    wrote:

    > Still, another example of censorship from a Jewish controlled source.
    > All those Jews who died in the concentration camps must be spinning in
    > their graves, see what their progeny have become.
    > -Rich


    Yeah. Doctors, scientists, writers, educators, business leaders. All due
    to a tradition that values education--something apparently avoided by your
    poeple, whoever they may be.

    Please forgive me for violating my own code and going off-topic. It was
    just too good an opening to miss.
    Bill Steele, Jul 3, 2003
    #12
  13. Gerry

    Guest

    On Thu, 03 Jul 2003 16:08:25 -0400, (Bill Steele)
    wrote:

    >In article <>,
    > wrote:
    >
    >> Still, another example of censorship from a Jewish controlled source.
    >> All those Jews who died in the concentration camps must be spinning in
    >> their graves, see what their progeny have become.
    >> -Rich

    >
    >Yeah. Doctors, scientists, writers, educators, business leaders. All due
    >to a tradition that values education--something apparently avoided by your
    >poeple, whoever they may be.
    >
    >Please forgive me for violating my own code and going off-topic. It was
    >just too good an opening to miss.


    They have doctors, scientists, etc, in Communist and other
    totalitarian countries too. Education doesn't seem to matter too much
    when it comes to wanting to control people.
    -Rich
    , Jul 4, 2003
    #13
  14. Gerry

    Jim Fraas Guest

    I am not too sure
    I have heard that there has been a total restoration done,and it has been
    given a Miramax catalog number.


    --
    There's only one hope left for the Star Trek movie franchise.
    It is a letter located between P and R in the alphabet.
    "Gerry"
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    y> wrote in message
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    >
    > > Disney STILL hasn't bothered to release "Song of the South" on DVD
    > > (just on LaserDisc). Oh well....

    >
    > Be sure it will be heavily cut for DVD to make it political correct.
    >
    >
    Jim Fraas, Jul 5, 2003
    #14
  15. On Sat, 05 Jul 2003 02:12:07 GMT, "Jim Fraas" <>
    wrote:

    >I am not too sure
    >I have heard that there has been a total restoration done,and it has been
    >given a Miramax catalog number.


    As I've said elsewhere, A Disney Canada employee has stated to me that
    SOTS has been restored and mastered to HD.

    All the talk about "Political Correctness" and the NAACP etc. misses
    one crucial fact, this is as regards to the US only.
    Steve(JazzHunter), Jul 5, 2003
    #15
  16. Gerry

    Guest Guest

    It was remastered and restored a good 3 years ago for the VHS version in the
    UK, other than that Disney still doesn't have the balls





    "Jim Fraas" <> wrote in message
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    > I am not too sure
    > I have heard that there has been a total restoration done,and it has been
    > given a Miramax catalog number.
    >
    >
    > --
    > There's only one hope left for the Star Trek movie franchise.
    > It is a letter located between P and R in the alphabet.
    > "Gerry"
    >

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    > >
    > > > Disney STILL hasn't bothered to release "Song of the South" on DVD
    > > > (just on LaserDisc). Oh well....

    > >
    > > Be sure it will be heavily cut for DVD to make it political correct.
    > >
    > >

    >
    >
    >
    Guest, Jul 7, 2003
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