DHCP fails on wireless networks, Is KB313896 still an issue?

Discussion in 'Wireless Networking' started by =?Utf-8?B?Q2hyaXMgVGFuZ2Vy?=, Aug 1, 2004.

  1. I believe that the problems described in KB313896 is still an issue.
    http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;313896
    KB313896 states that this issue has been fixed in Windows XP service pack 1, but it was either never fixed or has come back again. Basically it is a problem where a wireless network card will connect to a wireless network but be unable to obtain an IP address via DHCP. I have installed all Windows XP patches and updates to date, yet I still experience this problem on a regular basis.

    I am a software engineer and was previously an administrator. This issue deserves a new knowledge base article or re-open this issue in KB313896.

    The odds of this problem occuring are much greater when using WPA-PSK. The odds of this occuring are also greater when there is interference from nearby wireless networks or the access point signal is less than excellent. It still occurs occasionally when the signal is excellent and there is no interference.

    I have seen a large number of recent (post supposed fix) posts on this topic and I encourage anyone else that is experiencing this problem to reply to this post indicating so with any additional details you may have. This needs to be fixed, it is a major problem that inhibits this usability of wirless networks in Windows XP especially when using secure encryption.


    - Chris Tanger
    =?Utf-8?B?Q2hyaXMgVGFuZ2Vy?=, Aug 1, 2004
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  2. =?Utf-8?B?Q2hyaXMgVGFuZ2Vy?=

    Frank Guest

    Try this:
    Go to www.cirond.com
    Download and install the 30 day trial of their product WinC.
    Let it turn off the zero config service and manage the wireless connection.

    The first time I did this all my connection problems disappeared right now.
    At the end of the 30 day trial I un-installed the product and still had no
    problems. Then, on a vacation I tried to connect to a wireless AP in an
    airport. No luck as it was not a free service but it something changed in
    my laptop's settings. When I got home all my connection problems were back.

    I searched and searched the newsgroups for a solution and all I discovered
    is that lots of people have a similar problem.

    I then went back to cirond.com and bought the program (~$30.00 CAD) and now
    am relatively problem free.

    There is definitely something though that prevents getting an IP address as
    once in a while I still have to disable and re-enable the connection to get
    one.



    "Chris Tanger" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    >
    > I believe that the problems described in KB313896 is still an issue.
    > http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;313896
    > KB313896 states that this issue has been fixed in Windows XP service pack

    1, but it was either never fixed or has come back again. Basically it is a
    problem where a wireless network card will connect to a wireless network but
    be unable to obtain an IP address via DHCP. I have installed all Windows XP
    patches and updates to date, yet I still experience this problem on a
    regular basis.
    >
    > I am a software engineer and was previously an administrator. This issue

    deserves a new knowledge base article or re-open this issue in KB313896.
    >
    > The odds of this problem occuring are much greater when using WPA-PSK.

    The odds of this occuring are also greater when there is interference from
    nearby wireless networks or the access point signal is less than excellent.
    It still occurs occasionally when the signal is excellent and there is no
    interference.
    >
    > I have seen a large number of recent (post supposed fix) posts on this

    topic and I encourage anyone else that is experiencing this problem to reply
    to this post indicating so with any additional details you may have. This
    needs to be fixed, it is a major problem that inhibits this usability of
    wirless networks in Windows XP especially when using secure encryption.
    >
    >
    > - Chris Tanger
    >
    Frank, Aug 3, 2004
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  3. Hi,

    same problem here... my network stopped working all of a sudden. I now get a
    weird IP address from the DHCP, while I have another laptop attached to the
    router that works fine on Win2000...

    the odds are that even if I assign a stati IP I can't get access to the
    internet or to the router webpage configurator...

    I also tried to use the normal network cable to see whether the problem was
    coming from the wifi connection, but nope, same problem, so it's the DHCP
    that really assigns a stupid IP address

    I'll try the solution posted below, fingers crossed...

    ciao Luca

    "Chris Tanger" wrote:

    >
    > I believe that the problems described in KB313896 is still an issue.
    > http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;313896
    > KB313896 states that this issue has been fixed in Windows XP service pack 1, but it was either never fixed or has come back again. Basically it is a problem where a wireless network card will connect to a wireless network but be unable to obtain an IP address via DHCP. I have installed all Windows XP patches and updates to date, yet I still experience this problem on a regular basis.
    >
    > I am a software engineer and was previously an administrator. This issue deserves a new knowledge base article or re-open this issue in KB313896.
    >
    > The odds of this problem occuring are much greater when using WPA-PSK. The odds of this occuring are also greater when there is interference from nearby wireless networks or the access point signal is less than excellent. It still occurs occasionally when the signal is excellent and there is no interference.
    >
    > I have seen a large number of recent (post supposed fix) posts on this topic and I encourage anyone else that is experiencing this problem to reply to this post indicating so with any additional details you may have. This needs to be fixed, it is a major problem that inhibits this usability of wirless networks in Windows XP especially when using secure encryption.
    >
    >
    > - Chris Tanger
    >
    =?Utf-8?B?THVjYSBGLg==?=, Aug 21, 2004
    #3
  4. Hi Chris. After spending countless hours trying to find a config problem, I
    ran across your article which describes my problem exactly. I tried the WinC
    option with no luck. I installed XP SP2 with no luck (although no additional
    problems that I've noticed.) I guess my last resort will be to disable DHCP
    but considering things had been working without problem for months, I would
    rather fix the problem.

    Have you had any success with other fixes?

    Marie N.

    "Chris Tanger" wrote:

    > Thanks for the information. I have tried some other third party software like this in the past. This software looks much better than what I've tried to date. Generally this type of software will only connect to a wireless network once you've logged into your computer. I need the computer to connect and remain connected to the wireless network while the computer is on, even if no one is logged in. This way I can use Remote Desktop to access my computer remotely. That is the reason why I need Wireless Zero Configuration to work properly, or perhaps some software that connects to wireless networks even without a user logging in.
    >
    >
    > - Chris Tanger
    >
    >
    >
    > "Frank" wrote:
    >
    > > Try this:
    > > Go to www.cirond.com
    > > Download and install the 30 day trial of their product WinC.
    > > Let it turn off the zero config service and manage the wireless connection.
    > >
    > > The first time I did this all my connection problems disappeared right now.
    > > At the end of the 30 day trial I un-installed the product and still had no
    > > problems. Then, on a vacation I tried to connect to a wireless AP in an
    > > airport. No luck as it was not a free service but it something changed in
    > > my laptop's settings. When I got home all my connection problems were back.
    > >
    > > I searched and searched the newsgroups for a solution and all I discovered
    > > is that lots of people have a similar problem.
    > >
    > > I then went back to cirond.com and bought the program (~$30.00 CAD) and now
    > > am relatively problem free.
    > >
    > > There is definitely something though that prevents getting an IP address as
    > > once in a while I still have to disable and re-enable the connection to get
    > > one.
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > "Chris Tanger" <> wrote in message
    > > news:...
    > > >
    > > > I believe that the problems described in KB313896 is still an issue.
    > > > http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;313896
    > > > KB313896 states that this issue has been fixed in Windows XP service pack

    > > 1, but it was either never fixed or has come back again. Basically it is a
    > > problem where a wireless network card will connect to a wireless network but
    > > be unable to obtain an IP address via DHCP. I have installed all Windows XP
    > > patches and updates to date, yet I still experience this problem on a
    > > regular basis.
    > > >
    > > > I am a software engineer and was previously an administrator. This issue

    > > deserves a new knowledge base article or re-open this issue in KB313896.
    > > >
    > > > The odds of this problem occuring are much greater when using WPA-PSK.

    > > The odds of this occuring are also greater when there is interference from
    > > nearby wireless networks or the access point signal is less than excellent.
    > > It still occurs occasionally when the signal is excellent and there is no
    > > interference.
    > > >
    > > > I have seen a large number of recent (post supposed fix) posts on this

    > > topic and I encourage anyone else that is experiencing this problem to reply
    > > to this post indicating so with any additional details you may have. This
    > > needs to be fixed, it is a major problem that inhibits this usability of
    > > wirless networks in Windows XP especially when using secure encryption.
    > > >
    > > >
    > > > - Chris Tanger
    > > >

    > >
    > >
    > >
    =?Utf-8?B?TWFyaWUgTi4=?=, Aug 23, 2004
    #4
  5. FWIW: I have this very issue with XP SP2!


    "Chris Tanger" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    >
    > I believe that the problems described in KB313896 is still an issue.
    > http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;313896
    > KB313896 states that this issue has been fixed in Windows XP service pack
    > 1, but it was either never fixed or has come back again. Basically it is
    > a problem where a wireless network card will connect to a wireless network
    > but be unable to obtain an IP address via DHCP. I have installed all
    > Windows XP patches and updates to date, yet I still experience this
    > problem on a regular basis.
    >
    > I am a software engineer and was previously an administrator. This issue
    > deserves a new knowledge base article or re-open this issue in KB313896.
    >
    > The odds of this problem occuring are much greater when using WPA-PSK.
    > The odds of this occuring are also greater when there is interference from
    > nearby wireless networks or the access point signal is less than
    > excellent. It still occurs occasionally when the signal is excellent and
    > there is no interference.
    >
    > I have seen a large number of recent (post supposed fix) posts on this
    > topic and I encourage anyone else that is experiencing this problem to
    > reply to this post indicating so with any additional details you may have.
    > This needs to be fixed, it is a major problem that inhibits this usability
    > of wirless networks in Windows XP especially when using secure encryption.
    >
    >
    > - Chris Tanger
    >
    Dr Reinhard W Rasche, Aug 23, 2004
    #5
  6. I've seen this problems with specific wireless network cards (and
    routers). New drivers and firmware updates resolved the issue for me.

    In my case, I had this experience with the MN-700 where DHCP would
    fail to retrive an IP at times (did not matter what the wirelss NIC
    was) and a firmware upgrade resolved the issue.

    Also saw issues with a MS wireless client NIC that new drivers fixed.

    On Mon, 23 Aug 2004 11:00:16 +0200, "Dr Reinhard W Rasche"
    <> wrote:

    >FWIW: I have this very issue with XP SP2!
    >
    >
    >"Chris Tanger" <> wrote in message
    >news:...
    >>
    >> I believe that the problems described in KB313896 is still an issue.
    >> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;313896
    >> KB313896 states that this issue has been fixed in Windows XP service pack
    >> 1, but it was either never fixed or has come back again. Basically it is
    >> a problem where a wireless network card will connect to a wireless network
    >> but be unable to obtain an IP address via DHCP. I have installed all
    >> Windows XP patches and updates to date, yet I still experience this
    >> problem on a regular basis.
    >>
    >> I am a software engineer and was previously an administrator. This issue
    >> deserves a new knowledge base article or re-open this issue in KB313896.
    >>
    >> The odds of this problem occuring are much greater when using WPA-PSK.
    >> The odds of this occuring are also greater when there is interference from
    >> nearby wireless networks or the access point signal is less than
    >> excellent. It still occurs occasionally when the signal is excellent and
    >> there is no interference.
    >>
    >> I have seen a large number of recent (post supposed fix) posts on this
    >> topic and I encourage anyone else that is experiencing this problem to
    >> reply to this post indicating so with any additional details you may have.
    >> This needs to be fixed, it is a major problem that inhibits this usability
    >> of wirless networks in Windows XP especially when using secure encryption.
    >>
    >>
    >> - Chris Tanger
    >>


    --
    Barb Bowman
    Expert Zone Columnist
    http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
    MS-MVP (Windows)
    Barb Bowman [MVP-Windows], Aug 23, 2004
    #6
  7. My setup:
    - ZyXEL ZyWALL 2WE router (wireless disabled),
    - ZyXEL ZyAIR G-1000 access point,
    - Sony PCWA-C300S client card (Atheros-based)
    all equipment running most recent firmware, drivers.

    Resetting the TCP/IP stack using "netsh init ip reset" in most cases clears
    things up.

    "Barb Bowman [MVP-Windows]" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > I've seen this problems with specific wireless network cards (and
    > routers). New drivers and firmware updates resolved the issue for me.
    >
    > In my case, I had this experience with the MN-700 where DHCP would
    > fail to retrive an IP at times (did not matter what the wirelss NIC
    > was) and a firmware upgrade resolved the issue.
    >
    > Also saw issues with a MS wireless client NIC that new drivers fixed.
    >
    > On Mon, 23 Aug 2004 11:00:16 +0200, "Dr Reinhard W Rasche"
    > <> wrote:
    >
    >>FWIW: I have this very issue with XP SP2!
    >>
    >>
    >>"Chris Tanger" <> wrote in message
    >>news:...
    >>>
    >>> I believe that the problems described in KB313896 is still an issue.
    >>> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;313896
    >>> KB313896 states that this issue has been fixed in Windows XP service
    >>> pack
    >>> 1, but it was either never fixed or has come back again. Basically it
    >>> is
    >>> a problem where a wireless network card will connect to a wireless
    >>> network
    >>> but be unable to obtain an IP address via DHCP. I have installed all
    >>> Windows XP patches and updates to date, yet I still experience this
    >>> problem on a regular basis.
    >>>
    >>> I am a software engineer and was previously an administrator. This
    >>> issue
    >>> deserves a new knowledge base article or re-open this issue in KB313896.
    >>>
    >>> The odds of this problem occuring are much greater when using WPA-PSK.
    >>> The odds of this occuring are also greater when there is interference
    >>> from
    >>> nearby wireless networks or the access point signal is less than
    >>> excellent. It still occurs occasionally when the signal is excellent
    >>> and
    >>> there is no interference.
    >>>
    >>> I have seen a large number of recent (post supposed fix) posts on this
    >>> topic and I encourage anyone else that is experiencing this problem to
    >>> reply to this post indicating so with any additional details you may
    >>> have.
    >>> This needs to be fixed, it is a major problem that inhibits this
    >>> usability
    >>> of wirless networks in Windows XP especially when using secure
    >>> encryption.
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> - Chris Tanger
    >>>

    >
    > --
    > Barb Bowman
    > Expert Zone Columnist
    > http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
    > MS-MVP (Windows)
    Dr Reinhard W Rasche, Aug 23, 2004
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