Demand increasing for used PCs

Discussion in 'NZ Computing' started by Lawrence D'Oliveiro, Sep 29, 2005.

  1. Lawrence D'Oliveiro, Sep 29, 2005
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  2. Lawrence D'Oliveiro

    steve Guest

    Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

    > From
    > <http://news.com.com/Demand for used PCs on upswing/2100-1003_3-5884687.h
    > tml>: over 150 million used PCs shipped last year, and "secondary PCs"
    > (those resold/given to someone else after at least 3 months) make up
    > over 8% of the installed base.


    I have several PCs here I now don't use much.....and I have been giving them
    away to mainly elderly people on low incomes who said they wanted to learn
    how to use a computer.

    Every one of them has come back to me as they find they never learned to
    type....and it takes them much longer to write an e-mail than it does to
    write a letter.

    Even looging into their Internet accounts and entering their passwords to
    check their mail can take many minutes....as their hands wave back and
    forth over the keyboard.....lost above all those characters.

    I've tried various devices "QWERTYUIOP" - said as a word - to help them
    remember - generally - where letters are....but they won't do it. Not can't
    - won't.

    Then you have the problem of the GUI being an abstract representation of
    things.....even moving he mouse pointer is daunting.....and the whole thing
    is utterly foreign to elderly minds schooled in the concrete reality of
    physical objects.

    I thought the first couple were just bad luck....but its happened with all
    of them...and the reasons are the same - so far, anyway.

    I'm sure there are elderly folk who do take to computers first time and
    don't look back. I just haven't met any yet in my efforts to give PCs away.
    steve, Sep 29, 2005
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    Harry Guest

    steve wrote:


    > I've tried various devices "QWERTYUIOP" - said as a word - to help them
    > remember - generally - where letters are....but they won't do it. Not
    > can't - won't.
    >


    The key thing that you have said here is "remembering".
    We all know that as you get older your ability to remember *new* things diminishes.
    So nothing is going to change that.

    However, old people still know what a letter such as 'Q' looks like
    and where it occurs in the alphabet.

    I am not going to suggest a solution, but anyone with half
    a brain should be able to figure out what the solution is.
    Harry, Sep 29, 2005
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    Bruce Hoult Guest

    In article <>,
    steve <> wrote:

    > I have several PCs here I now don't use much.....and I have been giving them
    > away to mainly elderly people on low incomes who said they wanted to learn
    > how to use a computer.
    >
    > Every one of them has come back to me as they find they never learned to
    > type....and it takes them much longer to write an e-mail than it does to
    > write a letter.
    >
    > Even looging into their Internet accounts and entering their passwords to
    > check their mail can take many minutes....as their hands wave back and
    > forth over the keyboard.....lost above all those characters.


    How old?

    We recently got my 82 year old great-uncle a laptop computer so he could
    participate in the family mailing list. I have no idea how long it
    takes him to actually do something, but we get regular emails from him
    and he loves being able to keep up with what everyone is doing. I'm
    sure the attraction of hitting all 40-odd of us in one go easily makes
    up for any inefficiency compared to hand writing a letter.

    One data point: he was using hotmail and I told him it was junk and sent
    him a gmail invite and he sucessfully got himself set up on that.

    --
    Bruce | 41.1670S | \ spoken | -+-
    Hoult | 174.8263E | /\ here. | ----------O----------
    Bruce Hoult, Sep 30, 2005
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  5. In article <>,
    steve <> wrote:

    > I thought the first couple were just bad luck....but its happened with all
    > of them...and the reasons are the same - so far, anyway.
    >
    > I'm sure there are elderly folk who do take to computers first time and
    > don't look back. I just haven't met any yet in my efforts to give PCs away.



    Check with your local SeniorNet. They specialise in encouraging the
    elderly to give it a go, with remarkable success.

    --
    ffotherington-Thomas
    (spinster of this parish)
    ffotherington-Thomas, Sep 30, 2005
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  6. Lawrence D'Oliveiro

    ~misfit~ Guest

    steve wrote:
    > Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
    >
    >> From
    >> <http://news.com.com/Demand for used PCs on upswing/2100-1003_3-5884687.h
    >> tml>: over 150 million used PCs shipped last year, and "secondary
    >> PCs" (those resold/given to someone else after at least 3 months)
    >> make up over 8% of the installed base.

    >
    > I have several PCs here I now don't use much.....and I have been
    > giving them away to mainly elderly people on low incomes who said
    > they wanted to learn how to use a computer.
    >
    > Every one of them has come back to me as they find they never learned
    > to type....and it takes them much longer to write an e-mail than it
    > does to write a letter.
    >
    > Even looging into their Internet accounts and entering their
    > passwords to check their mail can take many minutes....as their hands
    > wave back and forth over the keyboard.....lost above all those
    > characters.
    >
    > I've tried various devices "QWERTYUIOP" - said as a word - to help
    > them remember - generally - where letters are....but they won't do
    > it. Not can't - won't.
    >
    > Then you have the problem of the GUI being an abstract representation
    > of things.....even moving he mouse pointer is daunting.....and the
    > whole thing is utterly foreign to elderly minds schooled in the
    > concrete reality of physical objects.
    >
    > I thought the first couple were just bad luck....but its happened
    > with all of them...and the reasons are the same - so far, anyway.
    >
    > I'm sure there are elderly folk who do take to computers first time
    > and don't look back. I just haven't met any yet in my efforts to give
    > PCs away.


    I was going to send a PC to my mother in Aus so we could exchange emails.
    However she went to my sisters place and sent me an email on her PC (to try
    it out) and said not to bother, it took her ages to write a really short
    letter. I told her that she'd soon pick it up (She's 60) but she wasn't
    convinced. Shame really, be nice to share pics as well as news etc. I'm
    convinced that if I was there, showing her, it'd be OK but having to learn
    about PCs *and* how to type is putting her off. The sister only knows enough
    to get by, my nephew is the IT guy in Aus.
    --
    ~misfit~
    ~misfit~, Sep 30, 2005
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