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  1. claw

    claw Guest

    Who won?
    Try not to flame or pitch a diatribe.
    Just post Kerry or Bush.
    claw, Oct 1, 2004
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    Ira Levant Guest

    "claw" <> wrote in news:Hv37d.278246
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    Kerry in a landslide.

    > Who won?
    > Try not to flame or pitch a diatribe.
    > Just post Kerry or Bush.
    >
    Ira Levant, Oct 1, 2004
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    Agnes L. Guest

    "claw" <> wrote in message
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    | Who won?
    | Try not to flame or pitch a diatribe.
    | Just post Kerry or Bush.

    Kerry!
    Agnes L., Oct 1, 2004
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    Freddy Guest

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    > "claw" <> wrote in message
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    > | Who won?
    > | Try not to flame or pitch a diatribe.
    > | Just post Kerry or Bush.
    >
    > Kerry!


    Anyone know of a site dedicated to this i.e. a voting site?
    >
    >
    Freddy, Oct 1, 2004
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    grayghost Guest

    "claw" <> wrote in news:Hv37d.278246$4o.43146
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    > Who won?
    > Try not to flame or pitch a diatribe.
    > Just post Kerry or Bush.


    Depends on what you define win to be...

    On paper, sure, Kerry did. In reality as to how you would take what the
    candidates said away from the debate and actually apply it to real plans,
    Bush.
    grayghost, Oct 1, 2004
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    pcbutts1 Guest

    I think Kerry is crazy for saying he wants to get rid of all the nukes US
    included. This is an impossible task.

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    >> Who won?
    >> Try not to flame or pitch a diatribe.
    >> Just post Kerry or Bush.

    >
    > Depends on what you define win to be...
    >
    > On paper, sure, Kerry did. In reality as to how you would take what the
    > candidates said away from the debate and actually apply it to real plans,
    > Bush.
    pcbutts1, Oct 1, 2004
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    grayghost Guest

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    > I think Kerry is crazy for saying he wants to get rid of all the nukes
    > US included. This is an impossible task.



    Well, I like the idea that he wants us out of Iraq ASAP, and then by the
    end of the debate he's saying that we need to be there to win the war and
    not just leave...
    grayghost, Oct 1, 2004
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    Ionizer Guest

    "Freddy" <> wrote in message
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    > Anyone know of a site dedicated to this i.e. a voting site?
    > >


    Here's the Google News list of all the related articles:
    http://news.google.ca/nwshp?hl=en&g...534&call_pageid=968332188854&col=968350060724

    And listen to Howard Stern tomorrow morning, particularly if you are
    anti-Bush. Come to think of it, pro-Bush types should do themselves a
    favour and check out the show also.

    Regards,
    Ian.
    Ionizer, Oct 1, 2004
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    Dan Evans Guest

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    > "pcbutts1" <> wrote in
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    > > I think Kerry is crazy for saying he wants to get rid of all the nukes
    > > US included. This is an impossible task.

    >
    >
    > Well, I like the idea that he wants us out of Iraq ASAP, and then by the
    > end of the debate he's saying that we need to be there to win the war and
    > not just leave...


    Being rightpondian, I haven't seen the debate yet (and being busy, I might
    not anyway) so can't comment on what was said directly, but getting out of
    Iraq ASAP isn't incompatible needing to win the war and not just leaving.

    Dan





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    Ionizer Guest

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    Bush said the same thing last night but, like you, he used it in the wrong
    context.

    --
    Ian.
    Ionizer, Oct 1, 2004
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  12. claw

    Bradley26 Guest

    Bush

    but you have to define "won". If you mean who presented more facts and had
    mastery of the issues? Bush won

    Kerry was hyper ranting, to those who do not know what he talked about, may
    have believed him more energetic

    Kerry wants to turn over control of the United States to the world court,
    who wants to prosecute American soldiers for invading Iraq.

    Kerry would appoint atheist, socialist and anti American billionaire George
    Soros to some high level spot to begin the assimilation of the USA into the
    United Nations control.

    While the USA needs bunker busting nuke bombs to win the war on terror,
    Kerry opposes these weapons. In fact, the secret Kerry Senate record shows
    he voted to cut almost every weapons program there is, and ones we use
    today. Incredibly he blamed the president for not having enough protection
    for our troops.

    Kerry voted against the $87B for our troops, then lies by saying Bush didnt
    support it and saying parents of soldiers have to buy protective gear for
    their son or daughter and mail it to them in Iraq

    Kerry has taken at least 8 different positions on Saddam and the Iraq war
    over the past 8 years. (and 2 years as applicable)

    Kerry brags about having a communist Chinese rifle as memorbilia from
    Vietnam. Its pointed out that owning such a rifle is illegal. He retracts
    this and said he never claimed to own the rifle, his staffers made the
    mistake.

    Kerry says to auto makers he owns 5 SUVs then says to environmental types
    that he doesnt own any. when confronted, he said he meant his "family" owns
    the 5 suvs

    Kerry wants to proceed with North Korea where Clinton left off, Clintons
    staff gave Kim Jong (mentally) Ill the nuke u lar material for "a power
    plant" then they spit at the USA and started enriching the material to make
    bombs. Kerry was in the Senate, did he sponsor any legislation to attack
    this threat? NO. Bush staffers managed to get 5 other nations in the region
    to demand North Korea disarm the nukes. Kerry took the stand he would deal
    directly with Kim Jong Il. And it appears Madelline Allbright, the person
    who caused problems in foreign relations, would be re appointed to do more
    damage.

    Kerry has never confronted the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth who show proof
    Kerry lied to get his medals, lied to get out of duty, betrayed the USA by
    meeting with enemies of the USA during wartime; Kerry and his staff know the
    Swifties are telling the truth but he reacts by having CBS invent fake
    documents about Bushes Guard service, which may lead to Dan Rather being
    fired

    Kerry equated service in the US National Guard as being equal to draft
    dodging, being a criminal, etc

    Kerry is unfit for command


    "claw" <> wrote in message
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    > Who won?
    > Try not to flame or pitch a diatribe.
    > Just post Kerry or Bush.
    Bradley26, Oct 1, 2004
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    grayghost Guest

    "Dan Evans" <> wrote in
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    > "grayghost" <grayghost@binarybrewery_remove_this.com> wrote in message
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    >> "pcbutts1" <> wrote in
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    >>
    >> > I think Kerry is crazy for saying he wants to get rid of all the
    >> > nukes US included. This is an impossible task.

    >>
    >>
    >> Well, I like the idea that he wants us out of Iraq ASAP, and then by
    >> the end of the debate he's saying that we need to be there to win the
    >> war and not just leave...

    >
    > Being rightpondian, I haven't seen the debate yet (and being busy, I
    > might not anyway) so can't comment on what was said directly, but
    > getting out of Iraq ASAP isn't incompatible needing to win the war and
    > not just leaving.
    >
    > Dan


    Dan~

    I guess you could say that I would like to see the US leave Iraq, I have
    lost a close friend over there. However, I think that if we do not stay
    and see this through and we just leave as some might suggest we do before
    they flip flop their stance again, then we will have done more harm to that
    area of the world as well as our integrity in all the world

    -gg-
    grayghost, Oct 2, 2004
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    Dan Evans Guest

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    > > Being rightpondian, I haven't seen the debate yet (and being busy, I
    > > might not anyway) so can't comment on what was said directly, but
    > > getting out of Iraq ASAP isn't incompatible needing to win the war and
    > > not just leaving.
    > >
    > > Dan

    >
    > Dan~
    >
    > I guess you could say that I would like to see the US leave Iraq, I have
    > lost a close friend over there. However, I think that if we do not stay
    > and see this through and we just leave as some might suggest we do before
    > they flip flop their stance again, then we will have done more harm to

    that
    > area of the world as well as our integrity in all the world


    Too late, the damage is already done, and the rest of the world hates/is
    scared of you. It's going to take years for things to settle down.

    Dan





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    Dan Evans Guest

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    > Kerry wants to turn over control of the United States to the world court,
    > who wants to prosecute American soldiers for invading Iraq.


    Well, it *was* an illegal act, though the administration should be tried,
    not the troops. And don't come out with the AL Qa'ida/Iraq link business.
    There was a link between Al Qa'ida and Iraq like there was between Al Qa'ida
    and the US in that the 11 Sept guys trained/lived in the US - though I would
    hardly say that they were USG sponsored, would you?

    > While the USA needs bunker busting nuke bombs to win the war on terror,


    Yeah. like a fish needs a motorbike. You don't win AT work by removing large
    chunks of countryside and pissing off the locals, that only boosts the
    paramilitarys' recruiting. To win AT you remove public support for their
    cause.

    > In fact, the secret Kerry Senate record shows
    > he voted to cut almost every weapons program there is, and ones we use
    > today.


    If the toys weren't available today, you would probably have stayed at home.
    But there has been some selective reporting. I'm sure if I asked you If you
    wanted to spend USD100B more on defense, you'd say "Yes". Next, I ask you if
    all the money for the defense spending should come from the Education
    budget, you'd say "No". Now, with some careful editing, I can say "Bradley26
    says we shouldn't spend an extra USD100B on defense" can't I?

    > Kerry voted against the $87B for our troops,


    Actually, he voted for the USD87B, but against where would come from - some
    social security programme I believe. Hence the "flip flop", also known as
    "editing" (see above)

    > and saying parents of soldiers have to buy protective gear for
    > their son or daughter and mail it to them in Iraq


    Well, people *are* buying gear and sending it over, so what's you beef here?

    > Kerry has taken at least 8 different positions on Saddam and the Iraq war
    > over the past 8 years. (and 2 years as applicable)


    Rather like Dick Cheney et al, who supplied services and weapons to Iraq in
    previous years. ****, even bin Laden (remember him? The US's most wanted
    man? "We won't rest until he's caught". Yeah right. "We won't rest until we
    get bored because it's difficult and we can have an easy win in Iraq and get
    people to forget about us not finding him, and when everyone is looking the
    other way, we'll cut the funding and manpower of the team looking for him )
    was CIA sponsored for years. Are you suggesting that opinions can't change
    as situations change? I know that I for one, if I can't lead the country
    myself, want a leader that can change course as events unfold.

    Reagan came to power when Russia was the big enemy. Look how *he* changed
    *his* opinion.

    > Kerry brags about having a communist Chinese rifle as memorbilia from
    > Vietnam. Its pointed out that owning such a rifle is illegal. He

    retracts
    > this and said he never claimed to own the rifle, his staffers made the
    > mistake.


    Yeah, that's a dumbass thing to do/say

    > Kerry says to auto makers he owns 5 SUVs then says to environmental types
    > that he doesnt own any. when confronted, he said he meant his "family"

    owns
    > the 5 suvs


    Ditto

    > Kerry has never confronted the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth who show

    proof
    > Kerry lied to get his medals, lied to get out of duty,


    I don't know about that, I wasn't there. But in documents from that era,
    people who were there at the time seem to support Kerrys version of events.
    People like the US Navy Records Office

    > betrayed the USA by
    > meeting with enemies of the USA during wartime;


    Happens more than you think. That's why neutral countries generally get left
    alone, and also why there is a hotline between the Whitehouse and the
    Kremlin.

    > Kerry equated service in the US National Guard as being equal to draft
    > dodging, being a criminal, etc


    Well, if you do National Guard (and state you won't go overseas while there
    is a war in another cuontry) during a draft period, you *have* dodged the
    draft, haven't you?

    > Kerry is unfit for command


    Ditto Bush

    Dan





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    Bradley26 Guest

    "Dan Evans" <> wrote in message
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    > "Bradley26" <> wrote in message
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    > > Kerry wants to turn over control of the United States to the world

    court,
    > > who wants to prosecute American soldiers for invading Iraq.

    >
    > Well, it *was* an illegal act, though the administration should be tried,
    > not the troops. And don't come out with the AL Qa'ida/Iraq link business.


    no, it wasnt an illegal act, not at all, in any way based upon US law. But
    to anti American countries who hate the USA? yes they think so.

    there was UN resolution 1441, demanding Iraq comply or face consequences.
    December 2002, Iraq defiantly proved it would disregard the international
    community and the UNs 17th amendment that even France and Germany signed

    Bush is a man of his word, and took the world to war against Iraq for all
    the right reasons.

    It was Saddams acts that brought war. Detractors to the war? they were
    around in World War 2 saying it would be wrong for the US to get involved.
    They wanted Hitler to take over. Is being ruled by Hitler so bad? The same
    mindset existed Dec 2002 as mindless imbeciles protested the possible use of
    military force in Iraq. whining crybabies bemoaned the idea as "oil for
    blood" or some nonsense

    During that time, France, Russia and Germany were all involved in letting
    Iraqi men, women and children be tortured and slaughtered and starved as
    these countries participated in the UN oil for food scandal, sending
    billions of dollars to Saddams regime while Iraqis died

    yes it was blood for oil. the Iraqi peoples innocent blood, France Russia
    and Germanys oil



    > There was a link between Al Qa'ida and Iraq like there was between Al

    Qa'ida
    > and the US in that the 11 Sept guys trained/lived in the US - though I

    would
    > hardly say that they were USG sponsored, would you?
    >


    the 911 commission proved Saddam and al queda were linked solidly. former
    president Clinton asserted they were linked, do you believe him? former
    Secy of defense William Cohen testified at the 911 commission this past
    summer saying the bombing of the so called "aspirin factory" was part of a
    covert operation where the US and allies uncovered a massive VX/nerve gas
    factory and al queda was buying technology from Saddam!

    Terrorist sympathizers sued the government. Now as you may know, if
    documents are subpeona'd they will become public. Not wanting top military
    secrets in current operations to be disclosed, the US government settled out
    of court.

    The timing was the Clinton/Lewinski investigation, many didnt believe it was
    legitimate, but the 1998 bombing of the aspirin factory was part of Clintons
    disclosure that Saddam and al queda were working together



    > > While the USA needs bunker busting nuke bombs to win the war on terror,

    >
    > Yeah. like a fish needs a motorbike. You don't win AT work by removing

    large
    > chunks of countryside and pissing off the locals, that only boosts the
    > paramilitarys' recruiting. To win AT you remove public support for their
    > cause.
    >
    > > In fact, the secret Kerry Senate record shows
    > > he voted to cut almost every weapons program there is, and ones we use
    > > today.

    >
    > If the toys weren't available today, you would probably have stayed at

    home.
    > But there has been some selective reporting. I'm sure if I asked you If

    you
    > wanted to spend USD100B more on defense, you'd say "Yes". Next, I ask you

    if
    > all the money for the defense spending should come from the Education
    > budget, you'd say "No". Now, with some careful editing, I can say

    "Bradley26
    > says we shouldn't spend an extra USD100B on defense" can't I?
    >
    > > Kerry voted against the $87B for our troops,

    >
    > Actually, he voted for the USD87B, but against where would come from -

    some
    > social security programme I believe. Hence the "flip flop", also known as
    > "editing" (see above)


    oh this is baloney and you know it. Kerry supports socialist causes, higher
    taxes. he wants people to be stupider, which helps socialist tyrants.



    >
    > > and saying parents of soldiers have to buy protective gear for
    > > their son or daughter and mail it to them in Iraq

    >
    > Well, people *are* buying gear and sending it over, so what's you beef

    here?
    >


    Kerry lied about it. the US has hired Iraqi welders to install armour plate
    in Hum vees for years now, Kerry voted against helping our troops, then says
    they dont have enough.

    as for budgets? what if terrorists destroy several major US cities? do YOU
    think it would have been worth it then??


    > > Kerry has taken at least 8 different positions on Saddam and the Iraq

    war
    > > over the past 8 years. (and 2 years as applicable)

    >
    > Rather like Dick Cheney et al, who supplied services and weapons to Iraq

    in
    > previous years.


    No, I think this is a democrat smoke screen to hide the democrats illegal
    selling of secrets to US enemies and blaming Ollie North and the Contra
    issue as somehow being wrong, when it was right

    , even bin Laden (remember him? The US's most wanted
    > man? "We won't rest until he's caught". Yeah right. "We won't rest until

    we
    > get bored because it's difficult and we can have an easy win in Iraq and

    get
    > people to forget about us not finding him, and when everyone is looking

    the
    > other way, we'll cut the funding and manpower of the team looking for

    him )
    > was CIA sponsored for years. Are you suggesting that opinions can't change
    > as situations change? I know that I for one, if I can't lead the country
    > myself, want a leader that can change course as events unfold.
    >


    lets look at bin Laden. The morning of 911, a friend called me and asked
    what is going on? is this armageddom? Im in California so the call woke me
    up in the 7am hour. both world trade center buildings are gone.
    they are gone, destroyed.

    the pentagon hit with an airliner. the white house possibly a target.

    whats going on? I said this is probably the work of the mastermind
    terrorist usama bin laden, who tried to blow up the trade center in 1993 and
    blew a hole in the USS Cole in Aug 2000.

    That was 9/11 and I was correct. We made ubl the most wanted terrorist in
    the world.

    Do you know what happened shortly after?? anything come to mind?? yes, the
    war in Afganistan! the US moilized and obliterated the taliban. bin Laden
    was last known to be in the Tora Bora region, laced with caves and rugged
    mountain terrain. the US bombed that area agressively

    Its my belief that bin Laden was killed December 2001 in Tora Bora by US
    forces.

    the infamous Michael (traitor) Moore film shows president Bush saying we
    dont care about bin Laden.

    flip flop or fact?

    since bin Laden has not been confirmed to be alive, and since the Afganistan
    war has not been apparently calling the shots? president Bush insulted bin
    Laden by saying he is no longer a threat. In fact I dont know where he is,
    and dont really care. he is no longer our top priority.

    bin Laden was shut down, or killed. thats a fact.

    > Reagan came to power when Russia was the big enemy. Look how *he* changed
    > *his* opinion.
    >


    what?? Reagan has battled communism since the 1940s and note Reagan riding
    the bus alone in Hollywood? that took courage. Since that bus ride, when
    has Reagan ever changed on Russia?

    > > Kerry brags about having a communist Chinese rifle as memorbilia from
    > > Vietnam. Its pointed out that owning such a rifle is illegal. He

    > retracts
    > > this and said he never claimed to own the rifle, his staffers made the
    > > mistake.

    >
    > Yeah, that's a dumbass thing to do/say
    >
    > > Kerry says to auto makers he owns 5 SUVs then says to environmental

    types
    > > that he doesnt own any. when confronted, he said he meant his "family"

    > owns
    > > the 5 suvs

    >
    > Ditto
    >
    > > Kerry has never confronted the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth who show

    > proof
    > > Kerry lied to get his medals, lied to get out of duty,

    >
    > I don't know about that, I wasn't there. But in documents from that era,
    > people who were there at the time seem to support Kerrys version of

    events.
    > People like the US Navy Records Office


    COUGH...SPEW...CHOKE.......WHAT?? are you kidding?

    Kerrys own book shows he wasnt under attack, but the other records show he
    claimed to be under attack to get the first 2 purple hearts. clear lie.

    In military/gov documents? once something is filed, its treated as solid
    granite. Kerry lied about the Sampan incident, his book says there was a
    mom/dad and a small child hiding under the dad. Kerry has the gunner open
    fire and killed the dad and child, and records the murdered childs memory
    has haunted him to this day. But? on the official documents, Kerry says 5
    vietcong soldiers were in the boat shooting at him.

    Kerry already took back his story he was in Cambodia on Christmas eve 1968.
    Kerry and Hanoi Jane Fonda betrayed the USA

    Bush is one of the greatest presidents ever.

    re elect Bush/Cheney 2004

    >
    > > betrayed the USA by
    > > meeting with enemies of the USA during wartime;

    >
    > Happens more than you think. That's why neutral countries generally get

    left
    > alone, and also why there is a hotline between the Whitehouse and the
    > Kremlin.
    >
    > > Kerry equated service in the US National Guard as being equal to draft
    > > dodging, being a criminal, etc

    >
    > Well, if you do National Guard (and state you won't go overseas while

    there
    > is a war in another cuontry) during a draft period, you *have* dodged the
    > draft, haven't you?
    >
    > > Kerry is unfit for command

    >
    > Ditto Bush
    >
    > Dan
    >
    >
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    grayghost Guest

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    >> > Being rightpondian, I haven't seen the debate yet (and being busy,
    >> > I might not anyway) so can't comment on what was said directly, but
    >> > getting out of Iraq ASAP isn't incompatible needing to win the war
    >> > and not just leaving.
    >> >
    >> > Dan

    >>
    >> Dan~
    >>
    >> I guess you could say that I would like to see the US leave Iraq, I
    >> have lost a close friend over there. However, I think that if we do
    >> not stay and see this through and we just leave as some might suggest
    >> we do before they flip flop their stance again, then we will have
    >> done more harm to

    > that
    >> area of the world as well as our integrity in all the world

    >
    > Too late, the damage is already done, and the rest of the world
    > hates/is scared of you. It's going to take years for things to settle
    > down.


    Dan -- I agree with you that the damage is already done, however the
    damage was already done many many years ago... the moment that we started
    launching cruise missiles into other countries to take out "targets" you
    could say that we became a force to be reckoned with that most countries
    are afraid of. I'm not quite sure how we're suppose to rebuild our image
    though consider that to do so would require basically closing our borders
    and keeping to ourselves :-\

    -gg-
    grayghost, Oct 3, 2004
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    Dan Evans Guest

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    > > > Kerry wants to turn over control of the United States to the world

    > court,
    > > > who wants to prosecute American soldiers for invading Iraq.

    > >
    > > Well, it *was* an illegal act, though the administration should be

    tried,
    > > not the troops. And don't come out with the AL Qa'ida/Iraq link

    business.
    >
    > no, it wasnt an illegal act, not at all, in any way based upon US law.

    But
    > to anti American countries who hate the USA? yes they think so.


    Since when does US law apply outside US borders?

    > there was UN resolution 1441, demanding Iraq comply or face consequences.
    > December 2002, Iraq defiantly proved it would disregard the international
    > community and the UNs 17th amendment that even France and Germany signed


    So you mean that even though the US should tell the UN to fsck off, the US
    will still follow UN resolutions? If the UN wanted Iraq invading, why didn't
    the UN sign off the invasion?

    > Bush is a man of his word,


    bin Laden? Bush wasn't going to rest until bin Laden was caught.

    > and took the world to war against Iraq for all
    > the right reasons.


    Is this the W'sMD? Or the Al Qa'ida/Iraq link? Admit it, Bush was pissed at
    Iraq as they were pricing their oil in Euros, and there was an opportunity
    for him and his buddies to make money.

    > During that time, France, Russia and Germany were all involved in letting
    > Iraqi men, women and children be tortured and slaughtered and starved as
    > these countries participated in the UN oil for food scandal, sending
    > billions of dollars to Saddams regime while Iraqis died


    The US didn't get any oil from this programme?

    > yes it was blood for oil. the Iraqi peoples innocent blood, France Russia
    > and Germanys oil
    >
    >
    >
    > > There was a link between Al Qa'ida and Iraq like there was between Al

    > Qa'ida
    > > and the US in that the 11 Sept guys trained/lived in the US - though I

    > would
    > > hardly say that they were USG sponsored, would you?
    > >

    >
    > the 911 commission proved Saddam and al queda were linked solidly. former
    > president Clinton asserted they were linked, do you believe him?


    Nope.

    > The timing was the Clinton/Lewinski investigation, many didnt believe it

    was
    > legitimate, but the 1998 bombing of the aspirin factory was part of

    Clintons
    > disclosure that Saddam and al queda were working together


    without disclsing it to anyone.


    > > Actually, he voted for the USD87B, but against where would come from -

    > some
    > > social security programme I believe. Hence the "flip flop", also known

    as
    > > "editing" (see above)

    >
    > oh this is baloney and you know it. Kerry supports socialist causes,

    higher
    > taxes. he wants people to be stupider, which helps socialist tyrants.


    Well, dropping taxes so there is less coming in than is going out isn't
    doing anyone any favours, and lets not forget how much education budgets
    have dropped recently.

    > as for budgets? what if terrorists destroy several major US cities? do

    YOU
    > think it would have been worth it then??


    Matters not a jot to me, it's a result of US foreign policy anyway.

    > lets look at bin Laden.


    ....

    > I said this is probably the work of the mastermind
    > terrorist usama bin laden,


    Yes, your point? I came to the same conclusion when I was told (middle of
    the day here, about dinnertime)

    > That was 9/11 and I was correct. We made ubl the most wanted terrorist in
    > the world.


    So why has the team looking for him had its budget cut?

    > Do you know what happened shortly after?? anything come to mind?? yes, the
    > war in Afganistan! the US moilized and obliterated the taliban.


    Not quite obliterated, they hanging around the border with Pakistan. Now
    that the Taliban are gone, is the war on drugs going to start again? I'm
    just wondering since just about every farmer tht wasn't allowed to grow
    poppies under the Taliban have gone back into Opium production.

    > Its my belief that bin Laden was killed December 2001 in Tora Bora by US
    > forces.


    Though there has been video of him since then. If he was killed, why has the
    tape been passed as genuine (I don't beleive that actually, I'm sure at
    least one is fake)

    > the infamous Michael (traitor) Moore film shows president Bush saying we
    > dont care about bin Laden.
    >
    > flip flop or fact?


    Depends doesn't it? When did he say it, and in what context?

    > bin Laden was shut down, or killed. thats a fact.


    Or biding his time in Sudan

    > > Reagan came to power when Russia was the big enemy. Look how *he*

    changed
    > > *his* opinion.
    > >

    >
    > what?? Reagan has battled communism since the 1940s and note Reagan riding
    > the bus alone in Hollywood? that took courage. Since that bus ride, when
    > has Reagan ever changed on Russia?


    Well, since the wall came down, and Glasnost appeared on the scene.

    > re elect Bush/Cheney 2004


    Yeah, I agree with that. If he gets in again, the US will be so broke that
    it won't be able to afford the bus fare for a weekend in Mexico, never mind
    invading other countries. It'd give the rest of us some peace.

    Dan





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    Dan Evans Guest

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    > > Too late, the damage is already done, and the rest of the world
    > > hates/is scared of you. It's going to take years for things to settle
    > > down.

    >
    > Dan -- I agree with you that the damage is already done, however the
    > damage was already done many many years ago... the moment that we started
    > launching cruise missiles into other countries to take out "targets" you
    > could say that we became a force to be reckoned with that most countries
    > are afraid of. I'm not quite sure how we're suppose to rebuild our image
    > though consider that to do so would require basically closing our borders
    > and keeping to ourselves :-\


    Yeah, that'd help. Then we wouldn't get some great fatass reaching the top
    of the escalator in the metro at rush hour stopping dead, and saying "All
    these goddam signs are in mexican".

    Yeah, no shit Sherlock, your're in Spain, and you're in the fscking way of
    200 people all trying to get off the escalator.

    Dan





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    "Dan Evans" <> wrote in
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    > "grayghost" <grayghost@binarybrewery_remove_this.com> wrote in message
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    >> "Dan Evans" <> wrote in
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    >
    >> > Too late, the damage is already done, and the rest of the world
    >> > hates/is scared of you. It's going to take years for things to
    >> > settle down.

    >>
    >> Dan -- I agree with you that the damage is already done, however the
    >> damage was already done many many years ago... the moment that we
    >> started launching cruise missiles into other countries to take out
    >> "targets" you could say that we became a force to be reckoned with
    >> that most countries are afraid of. I'm not quite sure how we're
    >> suppose to rebuild our image though consider that to do so would
    >> require basically closing our borders and keeping to ourselves :-\

    >
    > Yeah, that'd help. Then we wouldn't get some great fatass reaching the
    > top of the escalator in the metro at rush hour stopping dead, and
    > saying "All these goddam signs are in mexican".
    >
    > Yeah, no shit Sherlock, your're in Spain, and you're in the fscking
    > way of 200 people all trying to get off the escalator.
    >

    <snip>

    Ummm, right... not quite sure how that relates...

    -gg-
    grayghost, Oct 3, 2004
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