crosspost to alt. photography - question on nikon D70

Discussion in 'Digital Photography' started by C. Falise, Feb 22, 2005.

  1. C. Falise

    C. Falise Guest

    hello all-
    i have also posted this question to another group. please forgive if my NG
    ettiquette is off - i'm new around here...
    i am considering purchasing and nikon D70 camera. i've used an fm2 and
    bronica sqa for 2 decades and am branching into the digital area.
    i had set my sights on the nikon D70 because it was in my budget, i can use
    my old lenses (yes, i know the setbacks), and it has the features i am
    looking for.
    there is one problem though, and that's the viewfinder. i went to try one
    out today and was disappointed by how small the viewing area was. it does
    not allow for display on the lcd panel when shooting, so i would be
    dependent upon this small view to focus and compose my image.
    anyone have a problem with this small size and if so, any suggestions for
    how to increase the viewing area? it has a built in diopter (so the manual
    says, i think). maybe i'm just getting old...
    any advice is helpful.
    thanks.
    -christina

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    C. Falise, Feb 22, 2005
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  2. C. Falise

    Matt Ion Guest

    C. Falise wrote:

    > hello all-
    > i have also posted this question to another group. please forgive if my NG
    > ettiquette is off - i'm new around here...
    > i am considering purchasing and nikon D70 camera. i've used an fm2 and
    > bronica sqa for 2 decades and am branching into the digital area.
    > i had set my sights on the nikon D70 because it was in my budget, i can use
    > my old lenses (yes, i know the setbacks), and it has the features i am
    > looking for.
    > there is one problem though, and that's the viewfinder. i went to try one
    > out today and was disappointed by how small the viewing area was. it does
    > not allow for display on the lcd panel when shooting, so i would be
    > dependent upon this small view to focus and compose my image.
    > anyone have a problem with this small size and if so, any suggestions for
    > how to increase the viewing area? it has a built in diopter (so the manual
    > says, i think). maybe i'm just getting old...
    > any advice is helpful.
    > thanks.


    I don't know about the D70 specifically, but the viewfinder in its
    closest competitor, the Canon EOS Digital Rebel (aka 300D), is no
    smaller than that in its 35mm cousin, and for that matter, not much
    different size-wise than most 35mm SLRs I've used (some have
    significantly larger viewfinders or interchangeable viewfinders that
    allow that option, but IN GENERAL they all tend to be about the same
    size).

    The biggest difference you'll find is the lack of manual focusing aids,
    like a split-screen or prism dot, but this tends to be common of most
    autofocus SLRs, whether film or digital - I guess a lot of camera makers
    figure once you have AF, you don't need to use MF anymore, so they don't
    accomodate it as well.

    As for the LCD screen, you would't want to rely on that anyway,
    ESPECIALLY for focusing - the resolution isn't anywhere near fine enough
    to permit proper focusing.
     
    Matt Ion, Feb 22, 2005
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  3. On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 06:53:50 GMT, "C. Falise"
    <> wrote:

    (cut)
    >there is one problem though, and that's the viewfinder. i went to try one
    >out today and was disappointed by how small the viewing area was.

    (cut)

    The small viewfinder on the D70 is a disadvantage, and there's not
    much to do about it but get used to it. For me it's not a problem
    anymore -- I've got used to it. But of course my F90x(/N90s) now
    has a 'luxury' viewfinder :)

    -espen

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    Espen Stranger Seland, Feb 22, 2005
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  4. C. Falise

    C. Falise Guest

    "Matt Ion" <> wrote in message
    news:dNBSd.467315$6l.134305@pd7tw2no...
    > C. Falise wrote:
    >

    -snip-
    > > there is one problem though, and that's the viewfinder. i went to try

    one
    > > out today and was disappointed by how small the viewing area was. it

    does
    > > not allow for display on the lcd panel when shooting, so i would be
    > > dependent upon this small view to focus and compose my image.
    > > anyone have a problem with this small size and if so, any suggestions

    for
    > > how to increase the viewing area? it has a built in diopter (so the

    manual
    > > says, i think). maybe i'm just getting old...
    > > any advice is helpful.
    > > thanks.

    >
    > I don't know about the D70 specifically, but the viewfinder in its
    > closest competitor, the Canon EOS Digital Rebel (aka 300D), is no
    > smaller than that in its 35mm cousin, and for that matter, not much
    > different size-wise than most 35mm SLRs I've used (some have
    > significantly larger viewfinders or interchangeable viewfinders that
    > allow that option, but IN GENERAL they all tend to be about the same
    > size).
    >
    > The biggest difference you'll find is the lack of manual focusing aids,
    > like a split-screen or prism dot, but this tends to be common of most
    > autofocus SLRs, whether film or digital - I guess a lot of camera makers
    > figure once you have AF, you don't need to use MF anymore, so they don't
    > accomodate it as well.
    >
    > As for the LCD screen, you would't want to rely on that anyway,
    > ESPECIALLY for focusing - the resolution isn't anywhere near fine enough
    > to permit proper focusing.


    thanks for the reply-
    i have little interest in composing and focusing with the lcd, but the
    viewfinder is so inadequate. and as you mentioned, the lack of focusing
    aids in the viewing area only compounds the problem.
    and you are so right - the camera companies are herding us into auto-
    everything and not considering that there are instances when a photographer
    still needs to do things the old fashioned way. IMHO, if i'm going to drop
    $1200 on a camera, i think it should be more accomodating. Nikon,
    especially, has always bragged about the fact that one can use all lenses on
    all bodies and have delibarately continued the bayonet mount even in the
    DSLR's. why not design a rangefinder that allows one to properly focus an
    image using all of the lenses that the camera takes?
    do you know if there is a focusing prism for the D70 that at least has a
    split-screen? or any after-market do-dad that may help? it's a great
    camera otherwise, and i still want to buy it, but am reluctant to do so
    until i can find some way to overcome this shortfall.
    thanks again.
    -c.
     
    C. Falise, Feb 22, 2005
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  5. C. Falise

    bob Guest

    C. Falise wrote:

    > do you know if there is a focusing prism for the D70 that at least has a
    > split-screen? or any after-market do-dad that may help? it's a great
    > camera otherwise, and i still want to buy it, but am reluctant to do so
    > until i can find some way to overcome this shortfall.


    A month or so ago someone posted a link to a German company that cuts
    split image viewfinders (for other cameras) to fit.

    Since the D70 won't meter with the MF lenses, I'm not sure how much
    utility you'll actually get from them though.

    Bob
     
    bob, Feb 22, 2005
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  6. On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 18:06:22 -0500, bob <> wrote:

    >Since the D70 won't meter with the MF lenses, I'm not sure how much
    >utility you'll actually get from them though.


    You can use the D70 in manual mode and use the LCD screen/histogram to
    control the exposure. I do this often even with new D lenses.

    -espen

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    Espen Stranger Seland, Feb 23, 2005
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  7. C. Falise

    bob Guest

    Espen Stranger Seland wrote:
    > On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 18:06:22 -0500, bob <> wrote:
    >
    >
    >>Since the D70 won't meter with the MF lenses, I'm not sure how much
    >>utility you'll actually get from them though.

    >
    >
    > You can use the D70 in manual mode and use the LCD screen/histogram to
    > control the exposure. I do this often even with new D lenses.
    >
    > -espen
    >


    "Honey, that was cute. Go back and do it again while I read the histogram."

    ;-) Just giving you a hard time. When I shoot buildings and stuff with
    my Coolpix camera I usually review the histogram too.

    Bob
     
    bob, Feb 23, 2005
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  8. Matt Ion wrote:

    > C. Falise wrote:
    >
    >> hello all-
    >> i have also posted this question to another group. please forgive if
    >> my NG
    >> ettiquette is off - i'm new around here...
    >> i am considering purchasing and nikon D70 camera. i've used an fm2 and
    >> bronica sqa for 2 decades and am branching into the digital area.
    >> i had set my sights on the nikon D70 because it was in my budget, i
    >> can use
    >> my old lenses (yes, i know the setbacks), and it has the features i am
    >> looking for.
    >> there is one problem though, and that's the viewfinder. i went to try
    >> one
    >> out today and was disappointed by how small the viewing area was. it
    >> does
    >> not allow for display on the lcd panel when shooting, so i would be
    >> dependent upon this small view to focus and compose my image.
    >> anyone have a problem with this small size and if so, any suggestions for
    >> how to increase the viewing area? it has a built in diopter (so the
    >> manual
    >> says, i think). maybe i'm just getting old...
    >> any advice is helpful.
    >> thanks.

    >
    >
    > I don't know about the D70 specifically, but the viewfinder in its
    > closest competitor, the Canon EOS Digital Rebel (aka 300D), is no
    > smaller than that in its 35mm cousin, and for that matter, not much
    > different size-wise than most 35mm SLRs I've used (some have
    > significantly larger viewfinders or interchangeable viewfinders that
    > allow that option, but IN GENERAL they all tend to be about the same size).
    >
    > The biggest difference you'll find is the lack of manual focusing aids,
    > like a split-screen or prism dot, but this tends to be common of most
    > autofocus SLRs, whether film or digital - I guess a lot of camera makers
    > figure once you have AF, you don't need to use MF anymore, so they don't
    > accomodate it as well.
    >
    > As for the LCD screen, you would't want to rely on that anyway,
    > ESPECIALLY for focusing - the resolution isn't anywhere near fine enough
    > to permit proper focusing.


    The D70 has a manual focusing aid in the form of a green dot in the
    lower left hand side of the viewfinder. It flickers as you begin to
    focus & then stays lit once in focus.
    All my old Nikon / Nikkor lenses ( non cpu )fit but without a hand held
    meter it is a trial and error or "experience" process. With the cpu AF
    lenses everything is a dream and I no longer drool over other cameras as
    I used to before getting the D70. As for the LCDs I very seldom use them
    for composing, even with my Minolta I still prefer the viewfinder.
    For the price you pay the D70 is a gem ... enjoy it.
    Bernard
     
    Bernard Rother, Feb 24, 2005
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  9. C. Falise

    Guest

    Hi matt,

    Matt Ion wrote:

    > I don't know about the D70 specifically, but the viewfinder in its
    > closest competitor, the Canon EOS Digital Rebel (aka 300D), is no
    > smaller than that in its 35mm cousin, and for that matter, not much
    > different size-wise than most 35mm SLRs I've used (some have
    > significantly larger viewfinders or interchangeable viewfinders that
    > allow that option, but IN GENERAL they all tend to be about the same
    > size).


    The 300D viewfinder is not really larger. The D70 viewfinder has a
    magnification of 0.75 (Crop 1.5), the 300D a magnification of 0.88
    (crop 1.6) this gives crop-corrected 0.5x magnification for the D70 and
    0.55x for the 300D. No big deal.

    Compared to the viewfinder magnification of film based SLR's it is
    quite smaller. 0.75x is a typical value for viewfinder magnification on
    these cameras (witout a crop factor).

    And from the build quality, the specs and the pcitures it makes, the
    D70 does beat the 300D easily. The comptetion would be 10D or 20D. But
    having Nikon lenses and being used to Nikon quality you do not want to
    make the step.

    > The biggest difference you'll find is the lack of manual focusing

    aids,
    > like a split-screen or prism dot, but this tends to be common of most


    > autofocus SLRs, whether film or digital - I guess a lot of camera

    makers
    > figure once you have AF, you don't need to use MF anymore, so they

    don't
    > accomodate it as well.


    In the Nikons the focus indictor work with any optic up tu 1:5.6 (in
    theory) and up to 1:8 or 1:11 in practice


    Regards

    Benedikt

    PS: Before I bought my D100 end of 2003, I used for 20 jears an FM2, too
     
    , Feb 24, 2005
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