Copper GB - crossover needed?

Discussion in 'Cisco' started by Academic Technology Services, Feb 27, 2004.

  1. I was under the impression that copper GB ports were auto detecting wrt
    crossover cables -- ie, that one could connect a pair of GB switches
    with a straight-through Cat5e cable. But I just fought with a pair of
    3750 switches. If I use a cat5 x-over, they connect fine, but they
    won't connect with a regular cable (yes, I tried multiple cables).

    Is there some interface setting that affects this behavior? Like maybe
    it needs CDP to be active? Or am I just wrong in expecting a non x-over
    cable to work?

    /Chris, UCLA
     
    Academic Technology Services, Feb 27, 2004
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    Jeff C Guest

    Academic Technology Services <> wrote in
    news::

    > I was under the impression that copper GB ports were auto detecting wrt
    > crossover cables -- ie, that one could connect a pair of GB switches
    > with a straight-through Cat5e cable. But I just fought with a pair of
    > 3750 switches. If I use a cat5 x-over, they connect fine, but they
    > won't connect with a regular cable (yes, I tried multiple cables).
    >
    > Is there some interface setting that affects this behavior? Like maybe
    > it needs CDP to be active? Or am I just wrong in expecting a non x-over
    > cable to work?
    >
    > /Chris, UCLA
    >


    From
    http://www.cisco.com/en/US/customer/products/hw/switches/ps5023/products_in
    stallation_guide_chapter09186a00801f2707.html


    "The Auto-MDIX feature is enabled by default on switches running Cisco IOS
    Release 12.2(18)SE or later. For releases between Cisco IOS Release 12.1
    (14)EA1 and 12.2(18)SE, the Auto-MDIX feature is disabled by default. For
    configuration information for this feature, refer to the switch software
    configuration guide or the switch command reference"

    -Jeff C
     
    Jeff C, Feb 28, 2004
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    hktco Guest

    The funny thing is that for 1000Base SFP module (fig. B-11), it
    actually crosses the pins 4,5,7 &8. Normally we can only buy Cat5
    crossover cables with pins 1,2,3&6 crossed.

    So is it a specially cable that the article is referring to, or I
    misunderstood it? :)

    hktco

    Jeff C <> wrote in message news:<D2U%b.5908$Zp.2232@fed1read07>...
    > Academic Technology Services <> wrote in
    > news::
    >
    > > I was under the impression that copper GB ports were auto detecting wrt
    > > crossover cables -- ie, that one could connect a pair of GB switches
    > > with a straight-through Cat5e cable. But I just fought with a pair of
    > > 3750 switches. If I use a cat5 x-over, they connect fine, but they
    > > won't connect with a regular cable (yes, I tried multiple cables).
    > >
    > > Is there some interface setting that affects this behavior? Like maybe
    > > it needs CDP to be active? Or am I just wrong in expecting a non x-over
    > > cable to work?
    > >
    > > /Chris, UCLA
    > >

    >
    > From
    > http://www.cisco.com/en/US/customer/products/hw/switches/ps5023/products_in
    > stallation_guide_chapter09186a00801f2707.html
    >
    >
    > "The Auto-MDIX feature is enabled by default on switches running Cisco IOS
    > Release 12.2(18)SE or later. For releases between Cisco IOS Release 12.1
    > (14)EA1 and 12.2(18)SE, the Auto-MDIX feature is disabled by default. For
    > configuration information for this feature, refer to the switch software
    > configuration guide or the switch command reference"
    >
    > -Jeff C
     
    hktco, Feb 28, 2004
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    Chris Thomas Guest

    In article <D2U%b.5908$Zp.2232@fed1read07>,
    says...
    > Academic Technology Services <> wrote in
    > news::
    >
    > > I was under the impression that copper GB ports were auto detecting wrt
    > > crossover cables -- ie, that one could connect a pair of GB switches
    > > with a straight-through Cat5e cable. But I just fought with a pair of
    > > 3750 switches. If I use a cat5 x-over, they connect fine, but they
    > > won't connect with a regular cable (yes, I tried multiple cables).
    > >
    > > Is there some interface setting that affects this behavior? Like maybe
    > > it needs CDP to be active? Or am I just wrong in expecting a non x-over
    > > cable to work?

    >
    > From
    > http://www.cisco.com/en/US/customer/products/hw/switches/ps5023/products_in
    > stallation_guide_chapter09186a00801f2707.html
    >
    >
    > "The Auto-MDIX feature is enabled by default on switches running Cisco IOS
    > Release 12.2(18)SE or later. For releases between Cisco IOS Release 12.1
    > (14)EA1 and 12.2(18)SE, the Auto-MDIX feature is disabled by default. For
    > configuration information for this feature, refer to the switch software
    > configuration guide or the switch command reference"
    > -Jeff C


    Thanks, Jeff. To summarize, there is an interface-level command
    which controls whether auto detection is operative -- the command is
    mdix auto (or no mdix auto). For some reason, no auto was chosen as
    the default in 3750 IOS releases prior to 2/04. Note that upgrading
    to the most current release may leave auto off since it appears to
    leave a no mdix auto statement on each interface.

    6500 IOS supports the same command. The default appears to be auto.
    My 4500-sup IV doesn't seem to support it. Note that support depends
    on both IOS level and on the hardware implimentation in the line
    card.

    The weird (to me) thing is that for interfaces set to no mdix auto,
    connectivity can be enabled by using an FE crossover cable. An FE
    crossover has the two used pairs crossed, and the two unused pairs
    straight through. A true GB crossover has all four pairs crossed
    (and is rare as hens teeth). It surprizes me that the GB interface
    is able to understand a half-crossed cable, but I guess the designers
    figured that might happen a lot and so planned for it.

    Does anyone know if if having mdix auto on one side of a link is
    sufficient, or whether it needs to be on both sides to work? I'll go
    test it and post the result.

    /Chris, UCLA
     
    Chris Thomas, Feb 29, 2004
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    Chris Thomas Guest

    In article <>,
    says...
    > Does anyone know if if having mdix auto on one side of a link is
    > sufficient, or whether it needs to be on both sides to work? I'll go
    > test it and post the result.


    It appears that having mdix auto operating on one side only is
    sufficient to allow the link to connect via a straight cable.

    /Chris
     
    Chris Thomas, Mar 2, 2004
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