Connectivity Issue

Discussion in 'Computer Support' started by Respondant, Jun 21, 2010.

  1. Respondant

    Respondant Guest

    Here's what I know:

    - Windows Vista box.
    - All worked well until 2 days ago.
    - Sole computer in the home.
    - No router.
    - Modem and CAT 5 cable were replaced (by owner thinking it/they was/wer the
    problem) yesterday.
    - Network Connection via Control Panel reports "Limited or no Internet
    Connection"
    - Walked her through IP release/renew via command prompt.

    Issues:

    - Still no Internet connection.
    - The cable company (Comcast if it matters) says they can "see" her modem,
    and refuse to help any further because in their opinion it's a hardware
    issue within her machine. Understandable, and I agree.
    - I have a known-good NIC and the driver for it in my possesion.
    - I'm *thinking* she's got a bad NIC.

    What I Would Like to Know:

    - Is there anything else I should look for *BEFORE* I go cracking the box
    and swapping the NIC when I get there on Wednesday?

    Bill
    Respondant, Jun 21, 2010
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  2. Respondant

    Meat Plow Guest

    On Mon, 21 Jun 2010 16:49:18 -0400, Respondant ÇʇoɹÊ:

    > Here's what I know:
    >
    > - Windows Vista box.
    > - All worked well until 2 days ago.
    > - Sole computer in the home.
    > - No router.
    > - Modem and CAT 5 cable were replaced (by owner thinking it/they was/wer
    > the problem) yesterday.
    > - Network Connection via Control Panel reports "Limited or no Internet
    > Connection"
    > - Walked her through IP release/renew via command prompt.
    >
    > Issues:
    >
    > - Still no Internet connection.
    > - The cable company (Comcast if it matters) says they can "see" her
    > modem, and refuse to help any further because in their opinion it's a
    > hardware issue within her machine. Understandable, and I agree. - I
    > have a known-good NIC and the driver for it in my possesion. - I'm
    > *thinking* she's got a bad NIC.
    >
    > What I Would Like to Know:
    >
    > - Is there anything else I should look for *BEFORE* I go cracking the
    > box and swapping the NIC when I get there on Wednesday?
    >
    > Bill


    Nope. First thing I would do.
    Meat Plow, Jun 21, 2010
    #2
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  3. Respondant

    Respondant Guest

    Evan Platt wrote:
    > On Mon, 21 Jun 2010 16:49:18 -0400, "Respondant"
    > <> wrote:
    >
    >> Here's what I know:
    >>
    >> - Windows Vista box.
    >> - All worked well until 2 days ago.
    >> - Sole computer in the home.
    >> - No router.
    >> - Modem and CAT 5 cable were replaced (by owner thinking it/they
    >> was/wer the problem) yesterday.
    >> - Network Connection via Control Panel reports "Limited or no
    >> Internet Connection"
    >> - Walked her through IP release/renew via command prompt.
    >>
    >> Issues:
    >>
    >> - Still no Internet connection.
    >> - The cable company (Comcast if it matters) says they can "see" her
    >> modem, and refuse to help any further because in their opinion it's
    >> a hardware issue within her machine. Understandable, and I agree.
    >> - I have a known-good NIC and the driver for it in my possesion.
    >> - I'm *thinking* she's got a bad NIC.
    >>
    >> What I Would Like to Know:
    >>
    >> - Is there anything else I should look for *BEFORE* I go cracking
    >> the box and swapping the NIC when I get there on Wednesday?

    >
    > Did you try assigning a static IP address, either in the same range of
    > the previous DHCP pool or outside it?


    I didn't try anything other than walking her through what I described above
    over the phone as I'm 20 miles away. Think I'm gonna take Meat's (and
    someone elses) advice and "lead" by installing a new NIC. That makes the
    most sense to me. Plus I have one handy and it'll take all of 15 minutes to
    R&R it and get the machine back up.

    But thanks.
    Respondant, Jun 21, 2010
    #3
  4. Respondant

    John Holmes Guest

    Respondant "contributed" in 24hoursupport.helpdesk:

    > Here's what I know:
    >
    > - Windows Vista box.
    > - All worked well until 2 days ago.
    > - Sole computer in the home.
    > - No router.
    > - Modem and CAT 5 cable were replaced (by owner thinking it/they
    > was/wer the problem) yesterday.
    > - Network Connection via Control Panel reports "Limited or no Internet
    > Connection"
    > - Walked her through IP release/renew via command prompt.
    >
    > Issues:
    >
    > - Still no Internet connection.
    > - The cable company (Comcast if it matters) says they can "see" her
    > modem, and refuse to help any further because in their opinion it's a
    > hardware issue within her machine. Understandable, and I agree.
    > - I have a known-good NIC and the driver for it in my possesion.
    > - I'm *thinking* she's got a bad NIC.
    >
    > What I Would Like to Know:
    >
    > - Is there anything else I should look for *BEFORE* I go cracking the
    > box and swapping the NIC when I get there on Wednesday?
    >
    > Bill
    >
    >
    >


    Re-installing TCP/IP will correct this. Lots of jerks here will say it
    ain't possible, but yet it is. Here's the solution:

    Locate the file %windir%\inf\nettcp.inf, open it in Notepad.
    Under [MS_TCPIP.PrimaryInstall] you'll find:

    Characteristics = 0x8A

    Change that into:

    Characteristics = 0x80

    Save the file.

    Next, in Control Panel, Network Connections, select a connection, right
    click, select properties, select install, select protocol, and point to the
    edited nettcp.inf file. Reboot.

    Now, in Control Panel, Network Connections, when selecting a connection
    you'll be able to uninstall TCP/IP. In the same way, you'll be able to re-
    install TCP/IP which should solve the issues you encounter.

    ;-)


    --
    <snip>
    John Holmes, Jun 21, 2010
    #4
  5. Respondant

    Jordon Guest

    Respondant wrote:
    > Here's what I know:
    >
    > - Windows Vista box.
    > - All worked well until 2 days ago.
    > - Sole computer in the home.
    > - No router.
    > - Modem and CAT 5 cable were replaced (by owner thinking it/they was/wer the
    > problem) yesterday.
    > - Network Connection via Control Panel reports "Limited or no Internet
    > Connection"
    > - Walked her through IP release/renew via command prompt.
    >
    > Issues:
    >
    > - Still no Internet connection.
    > - The cable company (Comcast if it matters) says they can "see" her modem,
    > and refuse to help any further because in their opinion it's a hardware
    > issue within her machine. Understandable, and I agree.


    I don't agree. I would agree if there was a router in
    between the modem and computer because the ISP can't
    know about every router on the market. But it's their
    modem hooked to your computer. When you order broadband
    they don't just hand you a modem and say "you figure it
    out". They get it working for you.

    > - I have a known-good NIC and the driver for it in my possesion.
    > - I'm *thinking* she's got a bad NIC.
    >
    > What I Would Like to Know:
    >
    > - Is there anything else I should look for *BEFORE* I go cracking the box
    > and swapping the NIC when I get there on Wednesday?


    If the modem was replaced the previous modem may have
    had DHCP turned off and the computer has a static IP.
    The new modem may have DHCP turned on and is trying to
    assign the computer an IP and can't.

    But when you say "Limited or no internet connection" it
    sounds like an error from a wireless interface. I don't
    think I've ever seen that error with a wired connection.

    NIC's are easy to add. You can rule that one out in a
    matter of minutes. Go for it.

    --
    Jordon
    Jordon, Jun 21, 2010
    #5
  6. Respondant

    Mike Easter Guest

    Respondant wrote:
    > Here's what I know:
    >
    > - Windows Vista box.
    > - All worked well until 2 days ago.
    > - Sole computer in the home.
    > - No router.
    > - Modem and CAT 5 cable were replaced (by owner thinking it/they was/wer the
    > problem) yesterday.


    I would call that hardware replacement premature. I wonder where s/he
    got such a crazy idea.

    > - The cable company (Comcast if it matters) says they can "see" her modem,
    > and refuse to help any further because in their opinion it's a hardware
    > issue within her machine. Understandable, and I agree.


    Presumably all of the cable modem lights are on indicating goodness.

    > - I have a known-good NIC and the driver for it in my possesion.
    > - I'm *thinking* she's got a bad NIC.


    Maybe. But when I see a networking problem, I don't assume that it is
    hardware. I have NICs all over the place around here. They don't go
    bad as often as routers.

    > What I Would Like to Know:
    >
    > - Is there anything else I should look for *BEFORE* I go cracking the box
    > and swapping the NIC when I get there on Wednesday?


    When you get there, you will be able to do all kinds of troubleshooting
    that you wouldn't be able to tell her how to do on the 'phone.

    I wonder if she will be able to return the new cable modem she purchased
    2 days ago if the old cable modem is perfectly good.

    I wonder if someone has been fiddling with her network configuration --
    which someone is the same someone who caused the purchase of a new modem
    and cable -- which someone is probably not her.



    --
    Mike Easter
    Mike Easter, Jun 21, 2010
    #6
  7. Respondant

    chuckcar Guest

    "Respondant" <> wrote in
    news:hvoj83$aog$:

    > Here's what I know:
    >
    > - Windows Vista box.
    > - All worked well until 2 days ago.
    > - Sole computer in the home.
    > - No router.
    > - Modem and CAT 5 cable were replaced (by owner thinking it/they
    > was/wer the problem) yesterday.
    > - Network Connection via Control Panel reports "Limited or no Internet
    > Connection"
    > - Walked her through IP release/renew via command prompt.
    >
    > Issues:
    >
    > - Still no Internet connection.
    > - The cable company (Comcast if it matters) says they can "see" her
    > modem, and refuse to help any further because in their opinion it's a
    > hardware issue within her machine. Understandable, and I agree.
    > - I have a known-good NIC and the driver for it in my possesion.
    > - I'm *thinking* she's got a bad NIC.
    >
    > What I Would Like to Know:
    >
    > - Is there anything else I should look for *BEFORE* I go cracking the
    > box and swapping the NIC when I get there on Wednesday?
    >

    1. Splitters
    2. Phone cords over 10'
    3. Bad filters on phone jacks
    4. Anything but the network card and tcp/ip in networking
    5. Malware
    6. Phone line problems
    7. Startup slowing down the computer to a crawl
    8. Corrupted windows drivers - fixed by R&R connumications along with
    removing *everything* from network properties (or whatever MS decides to
    call it in that version of windows).

    You prove hardware is bad by eliminating all software causes.

    --
    (setq (chuck nil) car(chuck) )
    chuckcar, Jun 21, 2010
    #7
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    "Respondant" <> wrote in message
    news:hvoj83$aog$...
    > Here's what I know:
    >
    > - Windows Vista box.
    > - All worked well until 2 days ago.
    > - Sole computer in the home.
    > - No router.
    > - Modem and CAT 5 cable were replaced (by owner thinking it/they was/wer
    > the problem) yesterday.
    > - Network Connection via Control Panel reports "Limited or no Internet
    > Connection"
    > - Walked her through IP release/renew via command prompt.
    >
    > Issues:
    >
    > - Still no Internet connection.
    > - The cable company (Comcast if it matters) says they can "see" her modem,
    > and refuse to help any further because in their opinion it's a hardware
    > issue within her machine. Understandable, and I agree.
    > - I have a known-good NIC and the driver for it in my possesion.
    > - I'm *thinking* she's got a bad NIC.
    >
    > What I Would Like to Know:
    >
    > - Is there anything else I should look for *BEFORE* I go cracking the box
    > and swapping the NIC when I get there on Wednesday?
    >
    > Bill
    >
    >
    >
    The Real Truth MVP, Jun 22, 2010
    #8
  9. Respondant

    Mike Yetto Guest

    Respondant <> writes and having writ moves on.
    > Here's what I know:
    >
    > - Windows Vista box.
    > - All worked well until 2 days ago.
    > - Sole computer in the home.
    > - No router.
    > - Modem and CAT 5 cable were replaced (by owner thinking it/they was/wer the
    > problem) yesterday.
    > - Network Connection via Control Panel reports "Limited or no Internet
    > Connection"
    > - Walked her through IP release/renew via command prompt.
    >
    > Issues:
    >
    > - Still no Internet connection.
    > - The cable company (Comcast if it matters) says they can "see" her modem,
    > and refuse to help any further because in their opinion it's a hardware
    > issue within her machine. Understandable, and I agree.
    > - I have a known-good NIC and the driver for it in my possesion.
    > - I'm *thinking* she's got a bad NIC.
    >
    > What I Would Like to Know:
    >
    > - Is there anything else I should look for *BEFORE* I go cracking the box
    > and swapping the NIC when I get there on Wednesday?
    >


    Aside from the advice to check for DHCP misconfigurations and
    having a spare NIC to play with, I'd suggest looking for an ISP
    that has fewer asshats playing with the support phones. Being
    able to see the modem doesn't tell them if the signal is clean or
    within the proper dB range.

    If you can't fix it by adjusting the network settings or
    switching the NIC try calling the support wimps and ask for
    someone with some knowledge.

    Mike "nycap Road Runner just keeps looking better" Yetto
    --
    In theory, theory and practice are the same.
    In practice they are not.
    Mike Yetto, Jun 22, 2010
    #9
  10. Respondant

    Peter Foldes Guest

    Chris

    Again you are trying to load porn unto someone's computer. Chris stop posting that
    link which contains porn and stolen software.Go away and get a life

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    "The Real Truth MVP" <> wrote in message
    news:4c1ff807$0$22152$...
    > Do what the dead porn star said or use my Winsock Repair network tool to do it for
    > you. Download it here http://www.ms-mvp.org/
    >
    >
    > --
    > The Real Truth http://pcbutts1-therealtruth.blogspot.com/
    > *WARNING* Please Do NOT follow any advice given by the Trolls listed
    > below. Trolls CAN NOT help you. They latch on to my posts like leeches.
    > David H Lipman, Peter Foldes, Barry Schwarz, PA Bear, Leythos.
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > "Respondant" <> wrote in message
    > news:hvoj83$aog$...
    >> Here's what I know:
    >>
    >> - Windows Vista box.
    >> - All worked well until 2 days ago.
    >> - Sole computer in the home.
    >> - No router.
    >> - Modem and CAT 5 cable were replaced (by owner thinking it/they was/wer the
    >> problem) yesterday.
    >> - Network Connection via Control Panel reports "Limited or no Internet
    >> Connection"
    >> - Walked her through IP release/renew via command prompt.
    >>
    >> Issues:
    >>
    >> - Still no Internet connection.
    >> - The cable company (Comcast if it matters) says they can "see" her modem, and
    >> refuse to help any further because in their opinion it's a hardware issue within
    >> her machine. Understandable, and I agree.
    >> - I have a known-good NIC and the driver for it in my possesion.
    >> - I'm *thinking* she's got a bad NIC.
    >>
    >> What I Would Like to Know:
    >>
    >> - Is there anything else I should look for *BEFORE* I go cracking the box and
    >> swapping the NIC when I get there on Wednesday?
    >>
    >> Bill
    >>
    >>
    >>

    >
    Peter Foldes, Jun 22, 2010
    #10
  11. Respondant

    Tony Guest

    But if the person was in Canaduh the odds would be 100 percent certain the
    complete and total fault would lie with the internet service provider and
    all their lies. What a difference a border makes.

    chuckcar wrote:

    > "Respondant" <> wrote in
    > news:hvoj83$aog$:
    >
    > > Here's what I know:
    > >
    > > - Windows Vista box.
    > > - All worked well until 2 days ago.
    > > - Sole computer in the home.
    > > - No router.
    > > - Modem and CAT 5 cable were replaced (by owner thinking it/they
    > > was/wer the problem) yesterday.
    > > - Network Connection via Control Panel reports "Limited or no Internet
    > > Connection"
    > > - Walked her through IP release/renew via command prompt.
    > >
    > > Issues:
    > >
    > > - Still no Internet connection.
    > > - The cable company (Comcast if it matters) says they can "see" her
    > > modem, and refuse to help any further because in their opinion it's a
    > > hardware issue within her machine. Understandable, and I agree.
    > > - I have a known-good NIC and the driver for it in my possesion.
    > > - I'm *thinking* she's got a bad NIC.
    > >
    > > What I Would Like to Know:
    > >
    > > - Is there anything else I should look for *BEFORE* I go cracking the
    > > box and swapping the NIC when I get there on Wednesday?
    > >

    > 1. Splitters
    > 2. Phone cords over 10'
    > 3. Bad filters on phone jacks
    > 4. Anything but the network card and tcp/ip in networking
    > 5. Malware
    > 6. Phone line problems
    > 7. Startup slowing down the computer to a crawl
    > 8. Corrupted windows drivers - fixed by R&R connumications along with
    > removing *everything* from network properties (or whatever MS decides to
    > call it in that version of windows).
    >
    > You prove hardware is bad by eliminating all software causes.
    >
    > --
    > (setq (chuck nil) car(chuck) )


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    #11
  12. Respondant

    anyone Guest

    On Mon, 21 Jun 2010 15:10:12 -0700, Jordon wrote:

    [...]
    >
    > But when you say "Limited or no internet connection" it sounds like an
    > error from a wireless interface.


    ....and you think you can hear sound from a text-only newsgroup? Lemme
    guess... you're related to Teh Chucktard, aren't you?

    > I don't think I've ever seen that error
    > with a wired connection.


    Unless you can show that Vista is somehow different, it is entirely
    possible to see that message with wired connection.
    anyone, Jun 22, 2010
    #12
  13. Respondant

    Respondant Guest

    Mike Yetto wrote:
    > Respondant <> writes and having writ moves on.
    >> Here's what I know:
    >>
    >> - Windows Vista box.
    >> - All worked well until 2 days ago.
    >> - Sole computer in the home.
    >> - No router.
    >> - Modem and CAT 5 cable were replaced (by owner thinking it/they
    >> was/wer the problem) yesterday.
    >> - Network Connection via Control Panel reports "Limited or no
    >> Internet Connection"
    >> - Walked her through IP release/renew via command prompt.
    >>
    >> Issues:
    >>
    >> - Still no Internet connection.
    >> - The cable company (Comcast if it matters) says they can "see" her
    >> modem, and refuse to help any further because in their opinion it's
    >> a hardware issue within her machine. Understandable, and I agree.
    >> - I have a known-good NIC and the driver for it in my possesion.
    >> - I'm *thinking* she's got a bad NIC.
    >>
    >> What I Would Like to Know:
    >>
    >> - Is there anything else I should look for *BEFORE* I go cracking
    >> the box and swapping the NIC when I get there on Wednesday?
    >>

    >
    > Aside from the advice to check for DHCP misconfigurations and
    > having a spare NIC to play with, I'd suggest looking for an ISP
    > that has fewer asshats playing with the support phones. Being
    > able to see the modem doesn't tell them if the signal is clean or
    > within the proper dB range.
    >
    > If you can't fix it by adjusting the network settings or
    > switching the NIC try calling the support wimps and ask for
    > someone with some knowledge.
    >
    > Mike "nycap Road Runner just keeps looking better" Yetto


    Printed all relevant replies. I'm gonna get over there Wednesday morning
    and try all sugestions before replacing the NIC. I'll get back to this
    thread then, and let y'all know how it turned out.
    Respondant, Jun 22, 2010
    #13
  14. Respondant

    Tony Guest

    I'll tell you you're fortunate you don't live in Canada, home of the worst
    broadband internet service in the entire world. Port blocking, FROGThrottle
    boxes, minuscule caps, huge overuse charges. worst infrastructure in the
    world, the first country in the world to drop usenet service and the paki
    support line to shoot you endless spiel's of bullshit as to why your internet
    service never works and is as slow as dial-up.

    Respondant wrote:

    > Mike Yetto wrote:
    > > Respondant <> writes and having writ moves on.
    > >> Here's what I know:
    > >>
    > >> - Windows Vista box.
    > >> - All worked well until 2 days ago.
    > >> - Sole computer in the home.
    > >> - No router.
    > >> - Modem and CAT 5 cable were replaced (by owner thinking it/they
    > >> was/wer the problem) yesterday.
    > >> - Network Connection via Control Panel reports "Limited or no
    > >> Internet Connection"
    > >> - Walked her through IP release/renew via command prompt.
    > >>
    > >> Issues:
    > >>
    > >> - Still no Internet connection.
    > >> - The cable company (Comcast if it matters) says they can "see" her
    > >> modem, and refuse to help any further because in their opinion it's
    > >> a hardware issue within her machine. Understandable, and I agree.
    > >> - I have a known-good NIC and the driver for it in my possesion.
    > >> - I'm *thinking* she's got a bad NIC.
    > >>
    > >> What I Would Like to Know:
    > >>
    > >> - Is there anything else I should look for *BEFORE* I go cracking
    > >> the box and swapping the NIC when I get there on Wednesday?
    > >>

    > >
    > > Aside from the advice to check for DHCP misconfigurations and
    > > having a spare NIC to play with, I'd suggest looking for an ISP
    > > that has fewer asshats playing with the support phones. Being
    > > able to see the modem doesn't tell them if the signal is clean or
    > > within the proper dB range.
    > >
    > > If you can't fix it by adjusting the network settings or
    > > switching the NIC try calling the support wimps and ask for
    > > someone with some knowledge.
    > >
    > > Mike "nycap Road Runner just keeps looking better" Yetto

    >
    > Printed all relevant replies. I'm gonna get over there Wednesday morning
    > and try all sugestions before replacing the NIC. I'll get back to this
    > thread then, and let y'all know how it turned out.


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    manners

    Very few. I used to take calls from *rank* noobs but got fired the first day
    on the job for potty mouth,

    Hamster isn't a newsreader it's a mistake!

    El-Gonzo Jackson FROGS both me and Chuckcar

    Master Juba was a black man imitating a white man imitating a black man

    Using my technical prowess and computer abilities to answer questions beyond
    the realm of understandability

    Regards Tony... Making usenet better for everyone everyday
    Tony, Jun 22, 2010
    #14
  15. Respondant

    Meat Plow Guest

    On Mon, 21 Jun 2010 18:49:06 -0700, anyone ÇʇoɹÊ:

    > On Mon, 21 Jun 2010 15:10:12 -0700, Jordon wrote:
    >
    > [...]
    >>
    >> But when you say "Limited or no internet connection" it sounds like an
    >> error from a wireless interface.

    >
    > ...and you think you can hear sound from a text-only newsgroup? Lemme
    > guess... you're related to Teh Chucktard, aren't you?


    Jesus **** if you're going to insult someone make sure you have the
    material to do it.
    Meat Plow, Jun 22, 2010
    #15
  16. Respondant

    Jordon Guest

    Big 666 wrote:
    > Jordon wrote:
    >
    >> But when you say "Limited or no internet connection" it
    >> sounds like an error from a wireless interface. I don't
    >> think I've ever seen that error with a wired connection.
    >>

    >
    > That means the computer is trying to get a DHCP IP from a DHCP server,
    > and it can't get one, so the O/S assigns the IP, which is an IP that
    > will allow the machine to access another machine on a LAN, but the IP
    > assigned by the O/S will not allow the IP to access the WAN/Internet
    > "Limited or no Internet connection." And it pertains to a wired or
    > wireless NIC that can't get a DHCP IP from the DHCP server on the network.


    Then I guess that's why I've never seen it. I've been working
    with networks since coax cable and BNC connectors were the
    norm. It's probably been a long time since I've mis-configured
    DHCP.
    Jordon, Jun 22, 2010
    #16
  17. Respondant

    Meat Plow Guest

    On Tue, 22 Jun 2010 07:21:41 -0700, Jordon ÇʇoɹÊ:

    > Big 666 wrote:
    >> Jordon wrote:
    >>
    >>> But when you say "Limited or no internet connection" it sounds like an
    >>> error from a wireless interface. I don't think I've ever seen that
    >>> error with a wired connection.
    >>>
    >>>

    >> That means the computer is trying to get a DHCP IP from a DHCP server,
    >> and it can't get one, so the O/S assigns the IP, which is an IP that
    >> will allow the machine to access another machine on a LAN, but the IP
    >> assigned by the O/S will not allow the IP to access the WAN/Internet
    >> "Limited or no Internet connection." And it pertains to a wired or
    >> wireless NIC that can't get a DHCP IP from the DHCP server on the
    >> network.

    >
    > Then I guess that's why I've never seen it. I've been working with
    > networks since coax cable and BNC connectors were the norm. It's
    > probably been a long time since I've mis-configured DHCP.


    M$ tcp/ip stack always gives a 169.* addy when it can't get one from
    DHCP. How the **** that box will talk on a 10.* or 192.* LAN I'dlove to
    hear.
    Meat Plow, Jun 22, 2010
    #17
  18. Respondant

    Respondant Guest

    Meat Plow wrote:
    > On Tue, 22 Jun 2010 07:21:41 -0700, Jordon ??o??:
    >
    >> Big 666 wrote:
    >>> Jordon wrote:
    >>>
    >>>> But when you say "Limited or no internet connection" it sounds
    >>>> like an error from a wireless interface. I don't think I've ever
    >>>> seen that error with a wired connection.
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>> That means the computer is trying to get a DHCP IP from a DHCP
    >>> server, and it can't get one, so the O/S assigns the IP, which is
    >>> an IP that will allow the machine to access another machine on a
    >>> LAN, but the IP assigned by the O/S will not allow the IP to access
    >>> the WAN/Internet "Limited or no Internet connection." And it
    >>> pertains to a wired or wireless NIC that can't get a DHCP IP from
    >>> the DHCP server on the network.

    >>
    >> Then I guess that's why I've never seen it. I've been working with
    >> networks since coax cable and BNC connectors were the norm. It's
    >> probably been a long time since I've mis-configured DHCP.

    >
    > M$ tcp/ip stack always gives a 169.* addy when it can't get one from
    > DHCP. How the **** that box will talk on a 10.* or 192.* LAN I'dlove
    > to hear.


    Bottom line is ....

    In this particular case you were dead on the money. I tried the other stuff
    people suggested but get this. Even after cycling both the machine and the
    modem I kept coming up with an IP of 000.00.00.0.0. I NEVER have seen that
    happen before. Regardless. Popped a new NIC in (it was an HP machine with
    one of those onboard jobs that has like 4 USB connections as well), and
    Tah-Dah. All's well.

    Bill
    Respondant, Jun 23, 2010
    #18
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    Respondant Guest

    Respondant wrote:
    > Meat Plow wrote:
    >> On Tue, 22 Jun 2010 07:21:41 -0700, Jordon ??o??:
    >>
    >>> Big 666 wrote:
    >>>> Jordon wrote:
    >>>>
    >>>>> But when you say "Limited or no internet connection" it sounds
    >>>>> like an error from a wireless interface. I don't think I've ever
    >>>>> seen that error with a wired connection.
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>> That means the computer is trying to get a DHCP IP from a DHCP
    >>>> server, and it can't get one, so the O/S assigns the IP, which is
    >>>> an IP that will allow the machine to access another machine on a
    >>>> LAN, but the IP assigned by the O/S will not allow the IP to access
    >>>> the WAN/Internet "Limited or no Internet connection." And it
    >>>> pertains to a wired or wireless NIC that can't get a DHCP IP from
    >>>> the DHCP server on the network.
    >>>
    >>> Then I guess that's why I've never seen it. I've been working with
    >>> networks since coax cable and BNC connectors were the norm. It's
    >>> probably been a long time since I've mis-configured DHCP.

    >>
    >> M$ tcp/ip stack always gives a 169.* addy when it can't get one from
    >> DHCP. How the **** that box will talk on a 10.* or 192.* LAN I'dlove
    >> to hear.

    >
    > Bottom line is ....
    >
    > In this particular case you were dead on the money. I tried the
    > other stuff people suggested but get this. Even after cycling both
    > the machine and the modem I kept coming up with an IP of
    > 000.00.00.0.0. I NEVER have seen that happen before. Regardless. Popped
    > a new NIC in (it was an HP machine with one of those onboard
    > jobs that has like 4 USB connections as well), and Tah-Dah. All's
    > well.
    > Bill


    Sorry. I put two extra zeros in the octet.

    Bill
    Respondant, Jun 23, 2010
    #19
  20. Respondant

    Respondant Guest

    Big 666 wrote:

    > Respondant wrote:
    >> Meat Plow wrote:
    >>> On Tue, 22 Jun 2010 07:21:41 -0700, Jordon ??o??:
    >>>
    >>>> Big 666 wrote:
    >>>>> Jordon wrote:
    >>>>>
    >>>>>> But when you say "Limited or no internet connection" it sounds
    >>>>>> like an error from a wireless interface. I don't think I've ever
    >>>>>> seen that error with a wired connection.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>> That means the computer is trying to get a DHCP IP from a DHCP
    >>>>> server, and it can't get one, so the O/S assigns the IP, which is
    >>>>> an IP that will allow the machine to access another machine on a
    >>>>> LAN, but the IP assigned by the O/S will not allow the IP to
    >>>>> access the WAN/Internet "Limited or no Internet connection." And
    >>>>> it pertains to a wired or wireless NIC that can't get a DHCP IP
    >>>>> from the DHCP server on the network.
    >>>> Then I guess that's why I've never seen it. I've been working with
    >>>> networks since coax cable and BNC connectors were the norm. It's
    >>>> probably been a long time since I've mis-configured DHCP.
    >>> M$ tcp/ip stack always gives a 169.* addy when it can't get one from
    >>> DHCP. How the **** that box will talk on a 10.* or 192.* LAN I'dlove
    >>> to hear.

    >>
    >> Bottom line is ....
    >>
    >> In this particular case you were dead on the money. I tried the
    >> other stuff people suggested but get this. Even after cycling both
    >> the machine and the modem I kept coming up with an IP of
    >> 000.00.00.0.0. I NEVER have seen that happen before. Regardless. Popped
    >> a new NIC in (it was an HP machine with one of those onboard
    >> jobs that has like 4 USB connections as well), and Tah-Dah. All's
    >> well.

    >
    >
    > If the NIC was working, but for some other reason the NIC and the O/S
    > couldn't get an IP from a DHCP server on the network, then the O/S
    > would assign the 169. IP for limited connection on the LAN with no
    > connection on the WAN.
    >
    > The NIC was not working period, and therefore, the NIC has a 0 IP.


    That's why I found it odd that Comcast swore up and down they could see her
    modem online BEFORE I swapped-out the NIC. That, And I've NEVER seen a NIC
    report an IP as all zeros before. Whatever. It's fixed. ;-)
    Respondant, Jun 23, 2010
    #20
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