CLEARnet now offering FREE spam and antivirus protection to "all" customers.

Discussion in 'NZ Computing' started by ufo_hk, Oct 7, 2003.

  1. ufo_hk

    ufo_hk Guest

    Received the following email from CLEARnet today, a bit of a turn around.

    >This move reflects our commitment to delivering competitive customer choice

    and
    >value.

    And reflects competitive pressure - given xtra announcement of free spam
    protection next month? :)
    Owell maybe we'll see competition in other areas one day eg board
    band............I won't wait up for it thou.

    ___________________________________________
    Dear clear.net customers,

    Clear.net would like to announce that our leading spam and virus protection
    will continue as a FREE service for all clear.net customers. All current and
    new clear.net users receive Spam and Virus Protection automatically. Please
    note that this is a change to our original plans to charge customers on
    certain
    low usage plans from January.

    This move reflects our commitment to delivering competitive customer choice
    and
    value.

    If you do not want this FREE service, you can disable it by logging into
    Manage Account of the clear.net website at: http://register.clear.net.nz.

    At this site you can also choose to only have spam protection or virus
    protection.

    Our spam protection is used by six of the top 10 United States ISPs,
    including
    AT&T, Hotmail and Bellsouth. It uses multiple methods of detection, with an
    industry-best effectiveness rate of more than 90%.

    Symantec powers the anti-virus protection service so clear.net customers get
    market leading protection against email transmitted viruses.

    For more information on clear. net?s spam and virus protection, please
    visit:
    http://www.clear.net.nz/services/spamvirus.html


    Regards,
    The clear.net team
    ufo_hk, Oct 7, 2003
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  2. ufo_hk wrote:
    > Our spam protection is used by six of the top 10 United States ISPs,
    > including
    > AT&T, Hotmail and Bellsouth. It uses multiple methods of detection,
    > with an industry-best effectiveness rate of more than 90%.


    Hotmail??? Their "Bulk Mail" filter is shite!

    Cheers,
    Nicholas Sherlock
    Nicholas Sherlock, Oct 7, 2003
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  3. ufo_hk

    T.N.O. Guest

    "Nicholas Sherlock" wrote
    > > AT&T, Hotmail and Bellsouth. It uses multiple methods of detection,
    > > with an industry-best effectiveness rate of more than 90%.


    > Hotmail??? Their "Bulk Mail" filter is shite!


    I didnt think that Hotmail used "Brightmail" for spam filtering... MSN
    might, but Hotmail, why provide a paid for spam filter on a free mail
    system.
    T.N.O., Oct 7, 2003
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  4. ufo_hk

    Gordon Guest

    On Tue, 07 Oct 2003 16:15:12 +1300, ufo_hk wrote:

    > Received the following email from CLEARnet today, a bit of a turn around.
    >
    >>This move reflects our commitment to delivering competitive customer choice

    > and
    >>value.

    > And reflects competitive pressure - given xtra announcement of free spam
    > protection next month? :)


    Not so much of a turnaround, but rather some good competition.

    Question is why has it taken the big ISPs so long to do this?


    --
    Fairy stories exist so children get used to real life
    Gordon, Oct 7, 2003
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  5. ufo_hk

    RayC Guest

    Add Paradise.net.nz into this as well

    all by same owner

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    "Gordon" <> wrote in message
    news:p...
    > On Tue, 07 Oct 2003 16:15:12 +1300, ufo_hk wrote:
    >
    > > Received the following email from CLEARnet today, a bit of a turn

    around.
    > >
    > >>This move reflects our commitment to delivering competitive customer

    choice
    > > and
    > >>value.

    > > And reflects competitive pressure - given xtra announcement of free spam
    > > protection next month? :)

    >
    > Not so much of a turnaround, but rather some good competition.
    >
    > Question is why has it taken the big ISPs so long to do this?
    >
    >
    > --
    > Fairy stories exist so children get used to real life
    >
    >
    RayC, Oct 7, 2003
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  6. ufo_hk wrote:
    [snip]
    >
    > Symantec powers the anti-virus protection service so clear.net
    > customers get market leading protection against email transmitted
    > viruses.


    This and the other comments they make about the virus protection give the
    impression, IMHO, that the virus protection is all you need and comes from a
    reputable antivirus vendor in Symantec. How many people will miss the
    significance of the word 'email' in the above sentence and assume that Clear
    is offering a comprehensive virus detection service (they detect only
    email-born virii). IMHO they should have included a statement that users
    retain their current virus protection programs in respect of virii that are
    not email-transmitted.

    Its a picky but important distinction IMHO.
    Bryan Souster, Oct 7, 2003
    #6
  7. On Tue, 07 Oct 2003 16:15:12 +1300, ufo_hk wrote:

    > Clear.net would like to announce that our leading spam and virus protection
    > will continue as a FREE service for all clear.net customers.


    They finally realised the savings in disk outweigh the extra processing costs.
    Uncle StoatWarbler, Oct 7, 2003
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  8. ufo_hk

    ufo_hk Guest

    Exactly and hence how long are we going to have to wait for real competition
    in board band service.........Interesting it was Xtra that "might" have
    triggered this competative change for once.

    "Gordon" <> wrote in message
    news:p...
    > On Tue, 07 Oct 2003 16:15:12 +1300, ufo_hk wrote:
    >
    > Not so much of a turnaround, but rather some good competition.
    >
    > Question is why has it taken the big ISPs so long to do this?
    >
    ufo_hk, Oct 7, 2003
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  9. ufo_hk

    T.N.O. Guest

    "ufo_hk" wrote
    > Exactly and hence how long are we going to have to wait for real

    competition
    > in board band service.........Interesting it was Xtra that "might" have
    > triggered this competative change for once.


    They(Xtra) are only following some of the small(er) ISPs by offering this
    service for free, my ISP has offered it as long as I care to remember, and
    for that matter, as long as I have cared about getting spam/virii
    T.N.O., Oct 7, 2003
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  10. ufo_hk

    Mainlander Guest

    In article <blva3g$gu6up$-berlin.de>,
    says...
    > "ufo_hk" wrote
    > > Exactly and hence how long are we going to have to wait for real

    > competition
    > > in board band service.........Interesting it was Xtra that "might" have
    > > triggered this competative change for once.

    >
    > They(Xtra) are only following some of the small(er) ISPs by offering this
    > service for free, my ISP has offered it as long as I care to remember, and
    > for that matter, as long as I have cared about getting spam/virii


    Bollocks

    Xtra led the way on virus scanning on their email servers, having
    installed it years ago, well ahead of other iSPs.
    Mainlander, Oct 8, 2003
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  11. ufo_hk

    T.N.O. Guest

    "Mainlander" wrote
    > > They(Xtra) are only following some of the small(er) ISPs by offering

    this
    > > service for free, my ISP has offered it as long as I care to remember,

    and
    > > for that matter, as long as I have cared about getting spam/virii


    > Bollocks
    > Xtra led the way on virus scanning on their email servers, having
    > installed it years ago, well ahead of other iSPs.


    Care to put a date on it?
    T.N.O., Oct 8, 2003
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  12. ufo_hk

    Mainlander Guest

    In article <blviop$gtckk$-berlin.de>,
    says...
    > "Mainlander" wrote
    > > > They(Xtra) are only following some of the small(er) ISPs by offering

    > this
    > > > service for free, my ISP has offered it as long as I care to remember,

    > and
    > > > for that matter, as long as I have cared about getting spam/virii

    >
    > > Bollocks
    > > Xtra led the way on virus scanning on their email servers, having
    > > installed it years ago, well ahead of other iSPs.

    >
    > Care to put a date on it?


    Three years at alleast. I remember numerous reports in the computer press
    o Xtra's mailservers blocking some of the big viruses that were being
    transmitted.
    Mainlander, Oct 8, 2003
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  13. ufo_hk

    Bret Guest

    On Wed, 8 Oct 2003 15:40:14 +1300, Mainlander <*@*.*> wrote:

    >In article <blviop$gtckk$-berlin.de>,
    > says...
    >> "Mainlander" wrote
    >> > > They(Xtra) are only following some of the small(er) ISPs by offering

    >> this
    >> > > service for free, my ISP has offered it as long as I care to remember,

    >> and
    >> > > for that matter, as long as I have cared about getting spam/virii

    >>
    >> > Bollocks
    >> > Xtra led the way on virus scanning on their email servers, having
    >> > installed it years ago, well ahead of other iSPs.

    >>
    >> Care to put a date on it?

    >
    >Three years at alleast. I remember numerous reports in the computer press
    >o Xtra's mailservers blocking some of the big viruses that were being
    >transmitted.


    I emailed Xtra about a year ago and they said they didn't scan for
    viruses.
    Bret, Oct 8, 2003
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  14. ufo_hk

    ufo_hk Guest

    Sure smaller ISPs might have provided the service before, but you can't
    convince me Xtra actions weren't trigger by one of their biggest
    competitors. These smaller ISPs would have little impact on Telecoms
    activities and how they intend to run their business.
    I suspect Telecoms action was directly targeted to TelstraClears offering,
    if not to ensure existing customers didn't jump ship, and to negate a
    benefical offering a competitor had.



    "T.N.O." <> wrote in message
    news:blva3g$gu6up$-berlin.de...

    > They(Xtra) are only following some of the small(er) ISPs by offering this
    > service for free, my ISP has offered it as long as I care to remember, and
    > for that matter, as long as I have cared about getting spam/virii
    >
    >
    ufo_hk, Oct 8, 2003
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  15. ufo_hk

    ufo_hk Guest

    At least from July 2002:

    http://www.idg.net.nz/webhome.nsf/NL/8F16DD21D9657FD1CC256BFA007C6069



    "T.N.O." <> wrote in message
    news:blviop$gtckk$-berlin.de...
    > "Mainlander" wrote
    > > > They(Xtra) are only following some of the small(er) ISPs by offering

    > this
    > > > service for free, my ISP has offered it as long as I care to remember,

    > and
    > > > for that matter, as long as I have cared about getting spam/virii

    >
    > > Bollocks
    > > Xtra led the way on virus scanning on their email servers, having
    > > installed it years ago, well ahead of other iSPs.

    >
    > Care to put a date on it?
    >
    >
    ufo_hk, Oct 8, 2003
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  16. ufo_hk

    T.N.O. Guest

    "Mainlander" wrote
    > Three years at alleast. I remember numerous reports in the computer press
    > o Xtra's mailservers blocking some of the big viruses that were being
    > transmitted.


    Heh, actually, your right, August 2000 it was there...
    http://www.xtrasite.co.nz/media/releases/xvp.html

    The first Virus I can remember that they were activly blocking was Klez,
    which was around March 01 which is around the date I was thinking of... but
    this was re-active rather than proactive.

    Although, following their(Xtras') own announcements, it didn't launch until
    2002
    http://xtramsn.co.nz/technology/0,,7002-1608977,00.html
    T.N.O., Oct 8, 2003
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  17. ufo_hk

    Enkidu Guest

    On Tue, 07 Oct 2003 17:05:15 +1300, "Gordon" <>
    wrote:

    >On Tue, 07 Oct 2003 16:15:12 +1300, ufo_hk wrote:
    >
    >> Received the following email from CLEARnet today, a bit of a turn around.
    >>
    >>>This move reflects our commitment to delivering competitive customer choice

    >> and
    >>>value.

    >> And reflects competitive pressure - given xtra announcement of free spam
    >> protection next month? :)

    >
    >Not so much of a turnaround, but rather some good competition.
    >
    >Question is why has it taken the big ISPs so long to do this?
    >

    If they start dumping invalid SPAM and virus reports into my
    mailservers, they are going to get BANNED, even if they are a "big
    ISP".

    Cheers,

    Cliff
    --

    The complete lack of evidence is the surest sign
    that the conspiracy is working.
    Enkidu, Oct 9, 2003
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  18. On Thu, 09 Oct 2003 12:07:03 +1300, Enkidu wrote:

    > If they start dumping invalid SPAM and virus reports into my
    > mailservers, they are going to get BANNED, even if they are a "big
    > ISP".


    What about spam and viruses?

    Far too many ISPs run inbound filtering, but don't take the 10 seconds
    needed to add OUTBOUND filtering. If more did, spam and virus attacks
    would be sharply reduced.

    Adding filters on routers to block non-local IP addresse from getting out
    would reduce DDoS attacks and make those which do happen far more
    traceable.

    You're not going to see most ISPs do this. It costs money and they won't
    do it to be good neighbours. Even if they're blacklisted for it, they'll
    attempt to sue/bully/cajole exemptions, rather than fixing the real problem.




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    Uncle StoatWarbler, Oct 9, 2003
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