Check for security loop holes

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  1. Ravi

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    Is there a service that I can use to determine if my comp is
    secure or not?

    TIA.

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  2. "Ravi" <> wrote in message
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    > Is there a service that I can use to determine if my comp is
    > secure or not?


    Yes.

    You be specific /first/ ;o)

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    On Sun, 21 Dec 2003 00:24:14 -0000, "Hairy One Kenobi"
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    >"Ravi" <> wrote in message
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    >> Is there a service that I can use to determine if my comp is
    >> secure or not?

    >
    >Yes.
    >
    >You be specific /first/ ;o)


    I want to verify on my xp machine if my version of OE can be
    exploited or not etc.

    And many other security loop holes common in MS windows xp.

    TIA.

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  4. "Ravi" <> wrote in message
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    > On Sun, 21 Dec 2003 00:24:14 -0000, "Hairy One Kenobi"
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    > >"Ravi" <> wrote in message
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    > >> Is there a service that I can use to determine if my comp is
    > >> secure or not?

    > >
    > >Yes.
    > >
    > >You be specific /first/ ;o)

    >
    > I want to verify on my xp machine if my version of OE can be
    > exploited or not etc.
    >
    > And many other security loop holes common in MS windows xp.


    Hard to "test" OE, but you can check your settings against:
    http://www.codecutters.org/outlook

    Assuming that you're up-to-date with WindowsUpdate, what sort of tests do
    you want on XP? External port scans, or perhaps something like a Nessus.org
    scan (requires a *nix box)?

    HackerWhacker used to be pretty good (it would do a benign check, then jump
    in with the vicious stuff later). Not sure if it's still around..

    H1K
    Hairy One Kenobi, Dec 21, 2003
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    On Sun, 21 Dec 2003 11:14:10 -0000, "Hairy One Kenobi"
    <abuse@[127.0.0.1]> wrote:

    >"Ravi" <> wrote in message
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    >> On Sun, 21 Dec 2003 00:24:14 -0000, "Hairy One Kenobi"
    >> <abuse@[127.0.0.1]> wrote:
    >>
    >> >"Ravi" <> wrote in message
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    >> >> Is there a service that I can use to determine if my comp is
    >> >> secure or not?
    >> >
    >> >Yes.
    >> >
    >> >You be specific /first/ ;o)

    >>
    >> I want to verify on my xp machine if my version of OE can be
    >> exploited or not etc.
    >>
    >> And many other security loop holes common in MS windows xp.

    >
    >Hard to "test" OE, but you can check your settings against:
    >http://www.codecutters.org/outlook


    Thanks. These are the settings I use with an additional one
    that prevents opening potentially dangerous attachments :)


    >Assuming that you're up-to-date with WindowsUpdate, what sort of tests do
    >you want on XP? External port scans, or perhaps something like a Nessus.org
    >scan (requires a *nix box)?


    As I have posted before in this group I have already done
    the tests at

    http://security.symantec.com/

    Which say my comp is secure.
    Any other tests that I can perform?

    >HackerWhacker used to be pretty good (it would do a benign check, then jump
    >in with the vicious stuff later). Not sure if it's still around..


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    On Sun, 21 Dec 2003 13:43:55 GMT, Bit Twister
    <> wrote:

    >On Sun, 21 Dec 2003 14:43:32 +0530, Ravi wrote:
    >>
    >> I want to verify on my xp machine if my version of OE can be
    >> exploited or not etc.

    >
    >http://support.microsoft.com/?id=833786


    http://www.microsoft.com/technet/treeview/default.asp?url=/technet/security/bulletin/MS03-014.asp

    Take a look at this. Now I have not installed this patch and
    many others... (I am a dial up user and simply cannot afford
    to stay online to install all of them).


    So can my version of OE be exploited?

    TIA.

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    Bit Twister, Dec 21, 2003
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    On Sun, 21 Dec 2003 15:42:18 GMT, Bit Twister
    <> wrote:

    >On Sun, 21 Dec 2003 21:05:57 +0530, Ravi wrote:
    >>>
    >>>http://support.microsoft.com/?id=833786

    >>
    >> http://www.microsoft.com/technet/treeview/default.asp?url=/technet/security/bulletin/MS03-014.asp
    >>
    >> Take a look at this. Now I have not installed this patch and
    >> many others... (I am a dial up user and simply cannot afford
    >> to stay online to install all of them).

    >
    >You asked if you were safe. I gave the link with Dec 18 exploit for which MS
    >did not have a patch.


    Yes thank you. That is what I am trying to find out. So
    WITHOUT THE PATCH with a FIREWALL can I protect my self?

    TIA.

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  10. "Ravi" <> wrote in message
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    > On Sun, 21 Dec 2003 15:42:18 GMT, Bit Twister
    > <> wrote:
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    > >On Sun, 21 Dec 2003 21:05:57 +0530, Ravi wrote:
    > >>>
    > >>>http://support.microsoft.com/?id=833786
    > >>
    > >>

    http://www.microsoft.com/technet/treeview/default.asp?url=/technet/security/bulletin/MS03-014.asp
    > >>
    > >> Take a look at this. Now I have not installed this patch and
    > >> many others... (I am a dial up user and simply cannot afford
    > >> to stay online to install all of them).

    > >
    > >You asked if you were safe. I gave the link with Dec 18 exploit for which

    MS
    > >did not have a patch.

    >
    > Yes thank you. That is what I am trying to find out. So
    > WITHOUT THE PATCH with a FIREWALL can I protect my self?


    Only until the next fix-for-an-exploit.

    Or, to put it another way, if you are walking down a road, there's a chance
    that you will be run-over.

    It doesn't matter whether you are wearing Microsoft or Open Source socks -
    although there are different probabilities for "lucky" socks ;o)

    H1K
    Hairy One Kenobi, Dec 21, 2003
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    On Sun, 21 Dec 2003 17:11:32 -0000, "Hairy One Kenobi"
    <abuse@[127.0.0.1]> wrote:

    >"Ravi" <> wrote in message
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    >> On Sun, 21 Dec 2003 15:42:18 GMT, Bit Twister
    >> <> wrote:
    >>
    >> >On Sun, 21 Dec 2003 21:05:57 +0530, Ravi wrote:
    >> >>>
    >> >>>http://support.microsoft.com/?id=833786
    >> >>
    >> >>

    >http://www.microsoft.com/technet/treeview/default.asp?url=/technet/security/bulletin/MS03-014.asp
    >> >>
    >> >> Take a look at this. Now I have not installed this patch and
    >> >> many others... (I am a dial up user and simply cannot afford
    >> >> to stay online to install all of them).
    >> >
    >> >You asked if you were safe. I gave the link with Dec 18 exploit for which

    >MS
    >> >did not have a patch.

    >>
    >> Yes thank you. That is what I am trying to find out. So
    >> WITHOUT THE PATCH with a FIREWALL can I protect my self?

    >
    >Only until the next fix-for-an-exploit.
    >
    >Or, to put it another way, if you are walking down a road, there's a chance
    >that you will be run-over.
    >
    >It doesn't matter whether you are wearing Microsoft or Open Source socks -
    >although there are different probabilities for "lucky" socks ;o)


    Well, I am not taking the risk with OE. One day when I
    opened OE someone tried to open a note pad document.
    That scares me.

    Well am I atleast safe as long as I donot use OE or should I
    just rename the OE file or delete it to be safe?

    TIA.

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    On Sun, 21 Dec 2003 17:11:32 -0000, "Hairy One Kenobi"
    <abuse@[127.0.0.1]> wrote:

    >"Ravi" <> wrote in message
    >news:...
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    >> On Sun, 21 Dec 2003 15:42:18 GMT, Bit Twister
    >> <> wrote:
    >>
    >> >On Sun, 21 Dec 2003 21:05:57 +0530, Ravi wrote:
    >> >>>
    >> >>>http://support.microsoft.com/?id=833786
    >> >>
    >> >>

    >http://www.microsoft.com/technet/treeview/default.asp?url=/technet/security/bulletin/MS03-014.asp
    >> >>
    >> >> Take a look at this. Now I have not installed this patch and
    >> >> many others... (I am a dial up user and simply cannot afford
    >> >> to stay online to install all of them).
    >> >
    >> >You asked if you were safe. I gave the link with Dec 18 exploit for which

    >MS
    >> >did not have a patch.

    >>
    >> Yes thank you. That is what I am trying to find out. So
    >> WITHOUT THE PATCH with a FIREWALL can I protect my self?

    >
    >Only until the next fix-for-an-exploit.
    >
    >Or, to put it another way, if you are walking down a road, there's a chance
    >that you will be run-over.
    >
    >It doesn't matter whether you are wearing Microsoft or Open Source socks -
    >although there are different probabilities for "lucky" socks ;o)


    Well, I am not taking the risk with OE. One day when I
    opened OE someone tried to open a note pad document.
    That scares me.

    Well am I atleast safe as long as I donot use OE or should I
    just rename the OE file or delete it to be safe?

    TIA.

    --
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    On Sun, 21 Dec 2003 17:11:32 -0000, "Hairy One Kenobi"
    <abuse@[127.0.0.1]> wrote:

    >"Ravi" <> wrote in message
    >news:...
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    >> On Sun, 21 Dec 2003 15:42:18 GMT, Bit Twister
    >> <> wrote:
    >>
    >> >On Sun, 21 Dec 2003 21:05:57 +0530, Ravi wrote:
    >> >>>
    >> >>>http://support.microsoft.com/?id=833786
    >> >>
    >> >>

    >http://www.microsoft.com/technet/treeview/default.asp?url=/technet/security/bulletin/MS03-014.asp
    >> >>
    >> >> Take a look at this. Now I have not installed this patch and
    >> >> many others... (I am a dial up user and simply cannot afford
    >> >> to stay online to install all of them).
    >> >
    >> >You asked if you were safe. I gave the link with Dec 18 exploit for which

    >MS
    >> >did not have a patch.

    >>
    >> Yes thank you. That is what I am trying to find out. So
    >> WITHOUT THE PATCH with a FIREWALL can I protect my self?

    >
    >Only until the next fix-for-an-exploit.
    >
    >Or, to put it another way, if you are walking down a road, there's a chance
    >that you will be run-over.
    >
    >It doesn't matter whether you are wearing Microsoft or Open Source socks -
    >although there are different probabilities for "lucky" socks ;o)


    Is my post appearing?

    Well, I am not taking the risk with OE. One day when I
    opened OE someone tried to open a note pad document.
    That scares me.

    Well am I atleast safe as long as I donot use OE or should I
    just rename the OE file or delete it to be safe?

    TIA.

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    Re: Check for security loop holes (IS MY POST APPEARING?)

    On Sun, 21 Dec 2003 17:11:32 -0000, "Hairy One Kenobi"
    <abuse@[127.0.0.1]> wrote:

    >"Ravi" <> wrote in message
    >news:...
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    >> On Sun, 21 Dec 2003 15:42:18 GMT, Bit Twister
    >> <> wrote:
    >>
    >> >On Sun, 21 Dec 2003 21:05:57 +0530, Ravi wrote:
    >> >>>
    >> >>>http://support.microsoft.com/?id=833786
    >> >>
    >> >>

    >http://www.microsoft.com/technet/treeview/default.asp?url=/technet/security/bulletin/MS03-014.asp
    >> >>
    >> >> Take a look at this. Now I have not installed this patch and
    >> >> many others... (I am a dial up user and simply cannot afford
    >> >> to stay online to install all of them).
    >> >
    >> >You asked if you were safe. I gave the link with Dec 18 exploit for which

    >MS
    >> >did not have a patch.

    >>
    >> Yes thank you. That is what I am trying to find out. So
    >> WITHOUT THE PATCH with a FIREWALL can I protect my self?

    >
    >Only until the next fix-for-an-exploit.
    >
    >Or, to put it another way, if you are walking down a road, there's a chance
    >that you will be run-over.
    >
    >It doesn't matter whether you are wearing Microsoft or Open Source socks -
    >although there are different probabilities for "lucky" socks ;o)


    Is my post appearing?
    If you can see this post please tell me.

    Well, I am not taking the risk with OE. One day when I
    opened OE someone tried to open a note pad document.
    That scares me.

    Well am I atleast safe as long as I donot use OE or should I
    just rename the OE file or delete it to be safe?

    TIA.

    --
    main(){char s[37]="CSbwjAjocpy/mw!PS!sbwjAeftqbnnfe/dpn";
    int i;for(i=0;i<36;putchar(s[i++]-1));return 0;}
    Ravi, Dec 23, 2003
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    Re: Check for security loop holes (IS MY POST APPEARING?)

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    On Sun, 21 Dec 2003 17:11:32 -0000, "Hairy One Kenobi"
    <abuse@[127.0.0.1]> wrote:

    >"Ravi" <> wrote in message
    >news:...
    >> **** Post for FREE via your newsreader at post.usenet.com ****
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    >> On Sun, 21 Dec 2003 15:42:18 GMT, Bit Twister
    >> <> wrote:
    >>
    >> >On Sun, 21 Dec 2003 21:05:57 +0530, Ravi wrote:
    >> >>>
    >> >>>http://support.microsoft.com/?id=833786
    >> >>
    >> >>

    >http://www.microsoft.com/technet/treeview/default.asp?url=/technet/security/bulletin/MS03-014.asp
    >> >>
    >> >> Take a look at this. Now I have not installed this patch and
    >> >> many others... (I am a dial up user and simply cannot afford
    >> >> to stay online to install all of them).
    >> >
    >> >You asked if you were safe. I gave the link with Dec 18 exploit for which

    >MS
    >> >did not have a patch.

    >>
    >> Yes thank you. That is what I am trying to find out. So
    >> WITHOUT THE PATCH with a FIREWALL can I protect my self?

    >
    >Only until the next fix-for-an-exploit.
    >
    >Or, to put it another way, if you are walking down a road, there's a chance
    >that you will be run-over.
    >
    >It doesn't matter whether you are wearing Microsoft or Open Source socks -
    >although there are different probabilities for "lucky" socks ;o)


    Is my post appearing?
    If you can see this post please tell me.

    Well, I am not taking the risk with OE. One day when I
    opened OE someone tried to open a note pad document.
    That scares me.

    Well am I atleast safe as long as I donot use OE or should I
    just rename the OE file or delete it to be safe?

    TIA.

    --
    main(){char s[37]="CSbwjAjocpy/mw!PS!sbwjAeftqbnnfe/dpn";
    int i;for(i=0;i<36;putchar(s[i++]-1));return 0;}


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  16. Re: Check for security loop holes (IS MY POST APPEARING?)

    "Ravi" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > On Sun, 21 Dec 2003 17:11:32 -0000, "Hairy One Kenobi"
    > <abuse@[127.0.0.1]> wrote:
    >
    > >"Ravi" <> wrote in message
    > >news:...
    > >> On Sun, 21 Dec 2003 15:42:18 GMT, Bit Twister
    > >> <> wrote:
    > >>
    > >> >On Sun, 21 Dec 2003 21:05:57 +0530, Ravi wrote:
    > >> >>>
    > >> >>>http://support.microsoft.com/?id=833786
    > >> >>
    > >> >>

    >
    >http://www.microsoft.com/technet/treeview/default.asp?url=/technet/security

    /bulletin/MS03-014.asp
    > >> >>
    > >> >> Take a look at this. Now I have not installed this patch and
    > >> >> many others... (I am a dial up user and simply cannot afford
    > >> >> to stay online to install all of them).
    > >> >
    > >> >You asked if you were safe. I gave the link with Dec 18 exploit for

    which
    > >MS
    > >> >did not have a patch.
    > >>
    > >> Yes thank you. That is what I am trying to find out. So
    > >> WITHOUT THE PATCH with a FIREWALL can I protect my self?

    > >
    > >Only until the next fix-for-an-exploit.
    > >
    > >Or, to put it another way, if you are walking down a road, there's a

    chance
    > >that you will be run-over.
    > >
    > >It doesn't matter whether you are wearing Microsoft or Open Source

    socks -
    > >although there are different probabilities for "lucky" socks ;o)

    >
    > Is my post appearing?
    > If you can see this post please tell me.
    >
    > Well, I am not taking the risk with OE. One day when I
    > opened OE someone tried to open a note pad document.
    > That scares me.
    >
    > Well am I atleast safe as long as I donot use OE or should I
    > just rename the OE file or delete it to be safe?


    Yes, the post is appearing with monotonous regularity.. The answer to your
    main question remains the same.

    If you insist on not patching your system, then fixed exploits will still be
    there. That's kind of obvious, I'd say.

    If you are unwilling to keep your system up-to-date (and that appears to be
    the case) then either configure it properly or don't use OE/IE. The only
    thing that I can think of that comes close to what you're claiming was an
    IFRAME exploit that was fixed a year or three ago. And can be prevented by
    correct configuration.

    Service Packs (and, I /think/ critical updates) are available from MS on CD.
    This used to be a free service, but I believe that they now charge for media
    and/or postage. Don't know - the last one I ordered was for NT 3.51. Which
    was a while ago.

    On your last point, unless you're using Windows FE (Frankenstein Edition),
    programs are unlikely to suddenly start running themselves.

    H1K
    Hairy One Kenobi, Dec 23, 2003
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