Certifications & Qualifications for a good job

Discussion in 'MCSE' started by =?Utf-8?B?TWlrZVN0?=, Feb 3, 2004.

  1. Hi all
    I'm 1 test away from obtaining my MCSE:Security 2000 & 1 test away from my CCNA

    I'm trying to make sure that I have the proper qualifications for a $70K per year job. However, when I look at the current job opennings, the qualifications they list are not all the same. For example: A lot of them require programming. But they don't say which programming is required. I'm worried about spending money I can't afford to learn one type of programming language and then lose a job because they require a different programming language skill. This example holds true for Certifications and other skill sets

    Can anyone tell me what skill sets I need to be qualified for this type of high paying job

    I'm looking into Network Admin or Network Engineer positions. Anything network related as long as it pays $70K per year. That is the goal

    Help,, Help, Hel

    Thank

    Mike
     
    =?Utf-8?B?TWlrZVN0?=, Feb 3, 2004
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    |{evin Guest

    On Mon, 2 Feb 2004 17:01:08 -0800, MikeSt
    <> wrote:

    >I'm looking into Network Admin or Network Engineer positions.
    > Anything network related as long as it pays $70K per year. That is the goal.
    >


    HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAhahahhaahahahaa

    oh wait.. were you SERIOUS?
     
    |{evin, Feb 3, 2004
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    JaR Guest

    "MikeSt" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > Hi all.
    > I'm 1 test away from obtaining my MCSE:Security 2000 & 1 test away from my

    CCNA.
    >
    > I'm trying to make sure that I have the proper qualifications for a $70K

    per year job. However, when I look at the current job opennings, the
    qualifications they list are not all the same. For example: A lot of them
    require programming. But they don't say which programming is required. I'm
    worried about spending money I can't afford to learn one type of programming
    language and then lose a job because they require a different programming
    language skill. This example holds true for Certifications and other skill
    sets.
    >
    > Can anyone tell me what skill sets I need to be qualified for this type of

    high paying job?
    >
    > I'm looking into Network Admin or Network Engineer positions. Anything

    network related as long as it pays $70K per year. That is the goal.
    >
    >


    Coupled with your Computer Science or equivalent degree, and about 3-5 years
    experience administering, designing, and implementing global networks, I
    would think that being proficient in C++ or Perl and a CCIE should about do
    it. You should not need more than those fairly basic skills to comfortably
    land a $70,000 PY slot.

    HTH

    JaR
    Thug #22
     
    JaR, Feb 3, 2004
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    Rowdy Yates Guest

    =?Utf-8?B?TWlrZVN0?= <> wrote in
    news::

    > Hi all.
    > I'm 1 test away from obtaining my MCSE:Security 2000 & 1 test away
    > from my CCNA.
    >
    > I'm trying to make sure that I have the proper qualifications for a
    > $70K per year job. However, when I look at the current job opennings,
    > the qualifications they list are not all the same. For example: A lot
    > of them require programming. But they don't say which programming is
    > required. I'm worried about spending money I can't afford to learn one
    > type of programming language and then lose a job because they require
    > a different programming language skill. This example holds true for
    > Certifications and other skill sets.
    >
    > Can anyone tell me what skill sets I need to be qualified for this
    > type of high paying job?
    >
    > I'm looking into Network Admin or Network Engineer positions. Anything
    > network related as long as it pays $70K per year. That is the goal.
    >
    > Help,, Help, Help
    >
    > Thanks
    >
    > Mike


    oh boy. another gold digger bites the dust.

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    I am Against-TCPA
    http://www.againsttcpa.com
     
    Rowdy Yates, Feb 3, 2004
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    BubbaTek Guest

    Add in a CISSP &/or a CCSP and you should be golden.
    Otherwise, check into the Truck Driving School of
    America. CCIE's used to make 6 figures. Nothing is
    guaranteed anymore. Thank Y2K for that :)



    >-----Original Message-----
    >Hi all.
    >I'm 1 test away from obtaining my MCSE:Security 2000 & 1

    test away from my CCNA.
    >
    >I'm trying to make sure that I have the proper

    qualifications for a $70K per year job. However, when I
    look at the current job opennings, the qualifications they
    list are not all the same. For example: A lot of them
    require programming. But they don't say which programming
    is required. I'm worried about spending money I can't
    afford to learn one type of programming language and then
    lose a job because they require a different programming
    language skill. This example holds true for Certifications
    and other skill sets.
    >
    >Can anyone tell me what skill sets I need to be qualified

    for this type of high paying job?
    >
    >I'm looking into Network Admin or Network Engineer

    positions. Anything network related as long as it pays
    $70K per year. That is the goal.
    >
    >Help,, Help, Help
    >
    >Thanks
    >
    >Mike
    >.
    >
     
    BubbaTek, Feb 3, 2004
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    Rowdy Yates Guest

    "BubbaTek" <> wrote in news:921701c3ea08
    $3995ea70$:

    > Add in a CISSP &/or a CCSP and you should be golden.
    > Otherwise, check into the Truck Driving School of
    > America. CCIE's used to make 6 figures. Nothing is
    > guaranteed anymore. Thank Y2K for that :)
    >


    okay you got my attention.

    why do you think that? why has Y2K brought down the CCIE's salary?


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    I am Against-TCPA
    http://www.againsttcpa.com
     
    Rowdy Yates, Feb 3, 2004
    #6
  7. Well guys
    Before Y2k, I was a Jr. Admin with no certs making 50k

    If you look at the salary charts for these types of jobs, they say 60-70k is do-able. Those sites "say" they get these figures by interviewing companies with different employee ranges.

    According to those charts, Every computer and network job I've ever had has paid me about 10k less than the minimum on the scale

    My experience is 10 years in the industry

    Nevertheless, I've looked at job opennings that list starting pay. The jobs that pay that much are out there, but their list of qualifications vary and are not specific enough (it says programming, but doesnt say what type

    this Industry is really difficult

    Mike
     
    =?Utf-8?B?TWlrZVN0?=, Feb 3, 2004
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    Jon Guest

    Dear everyone,

    I would like to invent something that would make me
    £££Million's so I can retire young and live the dream...
    The only problem is, I can't think of anything to invent.

    Can you post ideas on here for me please, because I
    really can't be arsed to do any work for myself.

    Thanks,
    Jon


    >-----Original Message-----
    >Hi all.
    >I'm 1 test away from obtaining my MCSE:Security 2000 & 1

    test away from my CCNA.
    >
    >I'm trying to make sure that I have the proper

    qualifications for a $70K per year job. However, when I
    look at the current job opennings, the qualifications
    they list are not all the same. For example: A lot of
    them require programming. But they don't say which
    programming is required. I'm worried about spending money
    I can't afford to learn one type of programming language
    and then lose a job because they require a different
    programming language skill. This example holds true for
    Certifications and other skill sets.
    >
    >Can anyone tell me what skill sets I need to be

    qualified for this type of high paying job?
    >
    >I'm looking into Network Admin or Network Engineer

    positions. Anything network related as long as it pays
    $70K per year. That is the goal.
    >
    >Help,, Help, Help
    >
    >Thanks
    >
    >Mike
    >.
    >
     
    Jon, Feb 3, 2004
    #8
  9. "MikeSt" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > Hi all.
    > I'm 1 test away from obtaining my MCSE:Security 2000 & 1 test away from my

    CCNA.
    >
    > I'm trying to make sure that I have the proper qualifications for a $70K

    per year job. However, when I look at the current job opennings, the
    qualifications they list are not all the same. For example: A lot of them
    require programming. But they don't say which programming is required. I'm
    worried about spending money I can't afford to learn one type of programming
    language and then lose a job because they require a different programming
    language skill. This example holds true for Certifications and other skill
    sets.
    >
    > Can anyone tell me what skill sets I need to be qualified for this type of

    high paying job?
    >
    > I'm looking into Network Admin or Network Engineer positions. Anything

    network related as long as it pays $70K per year. That is the goal.
    >
    > Help,, Help, Help
    >
    > Thanks
    >
    > Mike


    You want a job making $70K per year? Here's the answer: Be worth $70K per
    year.

    Listen, there are so many things within this industry that books and courses
    will never teach you. The reason they don't state what programming language
    is required is because some languages are better suited for some solutions
    than others. They probably don't want you to be able to write a mission
    critical application if you are the Network Admin, but would expect you to
    be able to write a script to do a basic scheduled task, and that script may
    need to be written in VB, Java, ASP, PHP, etc,... So they aren't looking for
    someone who is certified in a language from reading a book, but someone who
    has a good understanding of algorithmic design and could do a quick learning
    job of the appropriate language. Most inexperienced people can't do that.
    And this is what it comes down to: until you have about 5 years of
    experience, unless you are some sort of prodigy, you are not going to make
    $70K as a Network Admin, and your not going to get a job as an Network
    Engineer.

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    Politician Spock, Feb 3, 2004
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    Consultant Guest

    he should be able to get a company car too, no prob

    "|{evin" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > On Mon, 2 Feb 2004 17:01:08 -0800, MikeSt
    > <> wrote:
    >
    > >I'm looking into Network Admin or Network Engineer positions.
    > > Anything network related as long as it pays $70K per year. That is the

    goal.
    > >

    >
    > HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAhahahhaahahahaa
    >
    > oh wait.. were you SERIOUS?
    >
     
    Consultant, Feb 3, 2004
    #10
  11. Yes.
    On Tue, 3 Feb 2004 04:24:45 -0800, "Jon"
    <> wrote:

    >Dear everyone,
    >
    >I would like to invent something that would make me
    >£££Million's so I can retire young and live the dream...
    >The only problem is, I can't think of anything to invent.
    >
    >Can you post ideas on here for me please, because I
    >really can't be arsed to do any work for myself.
    >
    >Thanks,
    >Jon
    >
    >
    >>-----Original Message-----
    >>Hi all.
    >>I'm 1 test away from obtaining my MCSE:Security 2000 & 1

    >test away from my CCNA.
    >>
    >>I'm trying to make sure that I have the proper

    >qualifications for a $70K per year job. However, when I
    >look at the current job opennings, the qualifications
    >they list are not all the same. For example: A lot of
    >them require programming. But they don't say which
    >programming is required. I'm worried about spending money
    >I can't afford to learn one type of programming language
    >and then lose a job because they require a different
    >programming language skill. This example holds true for
    >Certifications and other skill sets.
    >>
    >>Can anyone tell me what skill sets I need to be

    >qualified for this type of high paying job?
    >>
    >>I'm looking into Network Admin or Network Engineer

    >positions. Anything network related as long as it pays
    >$70K per year. That is the goal.
    >>
    >>Help,, Help, Help
    >>
    >>Thanks
    >>
    >>Mike
    >>.
    >>



    Kline Sphere (Chalk) MCNGP #3
     
    The Poster Formerly Known as Kline Sphere, Feb 3, 2004
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    Jon Guest

    Company car?

    What MS exam is best to take to get a company car? Should
    I do MSCE 2000 or MCSE 2003??
    Does 2003 include the leather seats upgrade?


    Please advise.


    >-----Original Message-----
    >he should be able to get a company car too, no prob
    >
    >"|{evin" <> wrote in message
    >news:...
    >> On Mon, 2 Feb 2004 17:01:08 -0800, MikeSt
    >> <> wrote:
    >>
    >> >I'm looking into Network Admin or Network Engineer

    positions.
    >> > Anything network related as long as it pays $70K per

    year. That is the
    >goal.
    >> >

    >>
    >> HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAhahahhaahahahaa
    >>
    >> oh wait.. were you SERIOUS?
    >>

    >
    >
    >.
    >
     
    Jon, Feb 4, 2004
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    kpg Guest

    Job seeking advice: If you don't know something, but you
    are resourseful, intelligent, and generally otherwise capable
    then don't be intimidated about interviewing for the job you
    want.

    Let me explain: The job requirements put forth are often "ideal"
    requirements. I have seen some where they want this long
    list of skills but the pay is low. If someone has all those skill
    they want they could demand triple. What they really want
    is someone competant. I have interviewed many "professionals"
    over the years and let me tell you - I would sell my soal for one
    motivated, intellegent individual that wants to learn and grow
    in their profession. Talk with the employeer about the job
    requirements. If there is an area you where don't know what
    they want: ask them:

    "I'm familiar with application security but could you clairify this
    Secure Application Deployment requiremet you are asking for?"

    By having an intellegent discussion with the employeer you can
    get a feel for what they *really* want and they can get a feel
    for what you are capable of.

    note: Employeer = not human resources department. Their job
    is to get rid of you. Go find "the man" (or "the woman").

    KP "I hate job hunting, which is why I'm still here" G
     
    kpg, Feb 4, 2004
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    kpg Guest

    I would also sell my soal for a spell checker that works better
    than this crappy OE one.
     
    kpg, Feb 4, 2004
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    Ken Briscoe Guest

    > Systems Firewall Installation and Administration
    > There are several different firewalls out there. I've worked with

    lots of them. If they are basically the same, I can learn this quickly.

    All firewalls serve the same general purpose, some with more bells and
    whistles than others. But the method in which they're applied can be very
    different. Hardware firewalls? Software firewalls? Automobile firewalls?

    > Extensive knowledge of network or host-based Intrusion Detection Systems

    and firewalls
    > This is another one where the versions are different. Personally,

    I think the IDS in ISA could have been better.

    Sure.

    > Extensive knowledge of application and database security
    > What does this mean?


    I wouldn't call this a certification, but maybe a prerequisite for a
    certification (MCDBA, perhaps?) Application and database security mean just
    that - "locking down" your database and certain (all?) your applications in
    order to prevent intrusion (theft of data, corruption of data, general
    misuse, etc)

    > Knowledge of secure application development
    > What does this mean?


    This is more programming. Knowing how to create applications (that may or
    may not interact with other applications and/or databases [see above]) that
    are not susceptible to the hacking/data theft/data corruption/etc mentioned
    above. Any application you develop should have some measure of security
    (unless you're writing a Solitaire clone...) built in. If there is no
    security, then, well, you have a security problem.

    I tend to think that if you have *none* of these skills, you won't be
    making 70K a year. Security is a big deal nowadays, what with all the
    viruses and whatnot. Hardware security (firewalls), as well as
    application-level security (software development).
    And you definitely can't expect to get a 70K/yr job with no experience in
    the field. You need a degree (probably), certs (probably), and experience
    (definitely) to get 70K. No one is going to hire an IT newbie for 70K, when
    they can get an experienced IT pro for 70K. So my suggestion is to take
    some kind of training in IT (whatever specific field you're interested in),
    get certified, and get your foot in the door any way you can. IT is a tough
    nut to crack right now, so don't be disappointed if you're starting out at
    30K. That's how it works, unfortunately. Sorry to burst your bubble.

    --

    KB - MCNGP "silent thug" #26

    first initial last name AT hotmail DOT com
     
    Ken Briscoe, Feb 4, 2004
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    |{evin Guest

    On Tue, 3 Feb 2004 04:24:45 -0800, "Jon"
    <> wrote:

    >Dear everyone,
    >
    >I would like to invent something that would make me
    >£££Million's so I can retire young and live the dream...
    >The only problem is, I can't think of anything to invent.
    >
    >Can you post ideas on here for me please, because I
    >really can't be arsed to do any work for myself.
    >
    >Thanks,
    >Jon
    >
    >

    How about a jump to conclusions mat?
     
    |{evin, Feb 5, 2004
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  17. "|{evin" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > On Tue, 3 Feb 2004 04:24:45 -0800, "Jon"
    > <> wrote:
    >
    > >Dear everyone,
    > >
    > >I would like to invent something that would make me
    > >£££Million's so I can retire young and live the dream...
    > >The only problem is, I can't think of anything to invent.
    > >
    > >Can you post ideas on here for me please, because I
    > >really can't be arsed to do any work for myself.
    > >
    > >Thanks,
    > >Jon
    > >
    > >

    > How about a jump to conclusions mat?
    >



    That is the worse idea I've ever heard in my life, Tom.

    Yes, yes, it's horrible.this idea..


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    Politician Spock, Feb 5, 2004
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    Ken Briscoe Guest

    > How about a jump to conclusions mat?
    >


    Good things *can* happen! I mean....look at me!

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    first initial last name AT hotmail DOT com
     
    Ken Briscoe, Feb 5, 2004
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    Consultant Guest

    It's a "Jump to Conclusions Mat". You see, you have this mat, with different
    CONCLUSIONS written on it that you could JUMP TO.


    "Ken Briscoe" <> wrote in message
    news:OzjK6%23%...
    > > How about a jump to conclusions mat?
    > >

    >
    > Good things *can* happen! I mean....look at me!
    >
    > --
    >
    > KB - MCNGP "silent thug" #26
    >
    > first initial last name AT hotmail DOT com
    >
    >
     
    Consultant, Feb 5, 2004
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    Ken Briscoe Guest

    > It's a "Jump to Conclusions Mat". You see, you have this mat, with
    different
    > CONCLUSIONS written on it that you could JUMP TO.


    ....like the guy who invented the pet rock. that was a good idea. i mean,
    the guy made a *million* dollars!

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    Ken Briscoe, Feb 5, 2004
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