Cat Cam - Pet Tracking

Discussion in 'Computer Information' started by John, Sep 30, 2004.

  1. John

    John Guest

    Hello.

    I am really interested to know if anyone has had any joy with having
    tracking devices or cameras on their pets? I'd be very interested to
    know this especially if you have a cat, but also a dog as well.

    I am researching into whether its possible to have a tiny wireless
    camera attached to your cat somehow so you can see what it gets up to
    when its out and about.

    I have seen some very tiny wireless spy cams, some have pretty good
    quality video for such small cameras, and they are also quite cheap so
    it wouldn't be a problem if it got damaged.

    The main thing, well the only thing I am concerned about if this was
    possible is to make it so that the cat doesn't even know its there and
    doesn't have any discomfort. So one of the main things I'd be
    interested to know is if these wireless devices transmitting on 2.4
    Ghz (or whatever that is) give out much radiation like with mobile
    phones? If so then I wouldn't be interested unless the levels were
    extremely minimal and safe.

    If it wouldn't be too heavy and you could have it hanging from its
    collar, or, perhaps some kind of clothing your cat could have around
    its belly, then that would be good. The only difficult thing would be
    trying to get the cat to agree to have it, he could scratch you to
    bits making it impossible to put on the collar. Perhaps a velcro
    strip of fabric wrapped around the middle of the cat with the tiny cam
    on top would work?

    I think the main problem would be the power source. Some of these
    tiny spy cams need a square 9v battery, or 4x AA sized batteries,
    which would weight too much. If I was to get one of the tiny spy
    cams, I would have to modify it so that it could run on the tiny
    lithium batteries instead to minimise weight. Perhaps I could have 2
    or 3 of them together which would have the right voltage. Of course
    that would then reduce the battery life quite a lot because of the
    lower capacity. At best I would probably only then get 1 or 2 hours
    max if that.

    I don't believe the range of the cam would be much of a problem as a
    few of them can transmit up to a couple hundred meters away. Perhaps
    if it went in another persons home though to visit their cat it might
    cut the video, if it didn't though that would open a whole new can of
    worms concerning privacy etc. I think it should be obvious if the cat
    had a cam on it, though some of them do just walk into homes
    uninvited.

    There has been a programme on television here in England that managed
    to do this I believe, so if I can find out the programme it would be
    interesting to see their set up and how they did it.

    Anyone else out their interested to see what their feline gets up to
    during the day, and even night?

    I have posted this to a couple other groups besides the cat ones where
    I thought there may be some knowledgable people on tiny wireless cams.

    Anyway thanks for any info/ideas/suggestions on making this possible.
    It might turn out to be a bad idea, but I wont know unless I
    investigate more.

    Cheers

    John
    John, Sep 30, 2004
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  2. John

    Lloyd Jones Guest

    WTF??

    LJ
    Lloyd Jones, Sep 30, 2004
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  3. John

    Mary Guest

    "Lloyd Jones" <> wrote in message
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    > WTF??
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    > LJ
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    >


    lol lloyd
    Mary, Sep 30, 2004
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  4. John

    John Guest

    On Thu, 30 Sep 2004 17:13:18 GMT, A strange species called "Mary"
    <> wrote:

    >
    >"Lloyd Jones" <> wrote in message
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    >> WTF??
    >>
    >> LJ
    >>
    >>

    >
    >lol lloyd


    Hey! Stop laughing guys! :)

    This is something I am researching.... I love cats and wildlife in
    general and I also love digital photography/video. This is why I have
    the interest in trying this.

    I'm not going to have my cat going around the neighbourhood every day
    look like the terminator or a half assimilated feline borg! :) (even
    though he might act like it sometimes) He scares dogs away just as he
    is! They go running when they see him! It is probably because of his
    big brother though "the rotweiler". They know they are associated so
    they don't mess.

    It was just going to be a once off to get a better understanding of
    what the little bugger spends all his time doing and where, what his
    territory is, and who he interacts with etc. How many girl cats he is
    humping :)

    Just about everything on television that's about cats I'll watch
    especially if it's tigers or domestic cats. I often go to Zoos and
    wildlife parks filming the cats (and other animals too but not as
    much), not just in my own country but all over. I am hoping to go on
    a trip to India and Thailand some day to see Tigers in the wild, and I
    would also like to visit South America as well. So far my experiences
    have just been limited to Zoos and wildlife places. I've got video
    from Melbourne Zoo Aus, Miami Zoo US, Chester Zoo UK Singapore etc...,
    lots of other wildlife parks too. Am planning a trip to Berlin Zoo in
    Germany in the near future (the largest in the world!) I have a stack
    of DVDs on Tigers. I record just about everything on TV about cats,
    any type of cat really.

    I don't think the collar would work anyway because it would be too
    bulky, and the only collar he's ever had he destroyed (didn't like
    it). Perhaps the whole idea would have to be scrapped, but in the end
    it is up to the cat to decide if it is going to bother him or not
    he'll take it apart or let it stay on him. That's if the idea even
    evolves more, and I think of a way to have a cam on cat without probs.
    Who knows, in one year from now they might make a cam so tiny that it
    is only millimeters in size. At the moment the smallest I see are
    size of one penny.

    Thanks and stop bloody laughing please! :)

    John
    John, Sep 30, 2004
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  5. John

    Mary Guest

    "John" <> wrote in message
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    > On Thu, 30 Sep 2004 17:13:18 GMT, A strange species called "Mary"
    > <> wrote:
    >
    > >
    > >"Lloyd Jones" <> wrote in message
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    > >> WTF??
    > >>
    > >> LJ
    > >>
    > >>

    > >
    > >lol lloyd

    >
    > Hey! Stop laughing guys! :)
    >


    John, I have no suggestions for you, and I AM trying
    to stop laughing, honestly I am. (I am still imagining the butt washing
    shots.) But whatever you do, be very mindful that your cat can get caught up
    in anything you strap on to him--cats hang themselves to death on collars
    all the time. So be very wary of anything that might do this to him if you
    let him roam.
    Mary, Sep 30, 2004
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  6. John

    Spam Magnet Guest

    "Mary" <> wrote in message
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    > But whatever you do, be very mindful that your cat can get caught up
    > in anything you strap on to him--cats hang themselves to death on collars
    > all the time.


    Sounds good to me.
    Now, please, everyone, stop cross posting.

    PeterS
    Remove my PANTS to reply.
    Spam Magnet, Sep 30, 2004
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  7. John

    Matej Artac Guest

    "Spam Magnet" <> wrote in message
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    > "Mary" <> wrote in message
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    >>> <SNIP>

    >> But whatever you do, be very mindful that your cat can get caught up
    >> in anything you strap on to him--cats hang themselves to death on
    >> collars all the time.

    >
    > Sounds good to me.
    > Now, please, everyone, stop cross posting.
    >
    > PeterS
    > Remove my PANTS to reply.


    Come on, this is interesting :) I am not sure what
    "alt.cats.world.domination" is about (making spy-cats to dominate the world?
    I watch Alias too much).

    But I would like to know a good answer as I wonder if the technology is
    there already to do this (and if so, what are the implications).

    Matej
    Matej Artac, Sep 30, 2004
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  8. John

    Mary Guest

    "Spam Magnet" <> wrote in message
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    > "Mary" <> wrote in message
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    > >><SNIP>

    > > But whatever you do, be very mindful that your cat can get caught up
    > > in anything you strap on to him--cats hang themselves to death on

    collars
    > > all the time.

    >
    > Sounds good to me.
    > Now, please, everyone, stop cross posting.
    >
    > PeterS
    > Remove my PANTS to reply.
    >
    >


    Oh, yes, your charming comment makes the nice
    cat people want to just jump to take directions
    from you.
    Mary, Sep 30, 2004
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  9. John

    Spajky Guest

    On Thu, 30 Sep 2004 17:13:18 GMT, "Mary" <>
    wrote:

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    >"Lloyd Jones" <> wrote in message
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    >> WTF??
    >>
    >> LJ
    >>
    >>

    >
    >lol lloyd
    >

    yep., full moon rising ... :))))
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  10. John

    Tony Morgan Guest

    In message <%Q_6d.3634$>, Matej Artac
    <> writes
    >"Spam Magnet" <> wrote in message
    >news:cjhs2t$fgq$
    >> "Mary" <> wrote in message
    >> news:aoZ6d.11195$...
    >>>> <SNIP>
    >>> But whatever you do, be very mindful that your cat can get caught up
    >>> in anything you strap on to him--cats hang themselves to death on
    >>> collars all the time.

    >>
    >> Sounds good to me.
    >> Now, please, everyone, stop cross posting.
    >>
    >> PeterS
    >> Remove my PANTS to reply.

    >
    >Come on, this is interesting :) I am not sure what
    >"alt.cats.world.domination" is about (making spy-cats to dominate the world?
    >I watch Alias too much).
    >
    >But I would like to know a good answer as I wonder if the technology is
    >there already to do this (and if so, what are the implications).


    I've seen TV documentaries where transponders are attached to birds to
    analyse migration patterns.

    If geese then why not cats? I can anticipate funding for some
    enterprising student's PhD on "Nocturnal socialisation patterns of
    domestic felines".
    :)

    (I fear that I must continue to attach a smiley to posts in this
    thread).
    --
    Tony Morgan
    http://www.camcord.info
    Tony Morgan, Oct 1, 2004
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  11. John

    Tony Morgan Guest

    In message <yX_6d.11498$>, Mary
    <> writes
    >
    >"Spam Magnet" <> wrote in message
    >news:cjhs2t$fgq$...
    >> "Mary" <> wrote in message
    >> news:aoZ6d.11195$...
    >> >><SNIP>
    >> > But whatever you do, be very mindful that your cat can get caught up
    >> > in anything you strap on to him--cats hang themselves to death on

    >collars
    >> > all the time.

    >>
    >> Sounds good to me.
    >> Now, please, everyone, stop cross posting.
    >>
    >> PeterS
    >> Remove my PANTS to reply.
    >>
    >>

    >
    >Oh, yes, your charming comment makes the nice
    >cat people want to just jump to take directions
    >from you.


    Purr-fect...
    :)
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    Tony Morgan
    http://www.camcord.info
    Tony Morgan, Oct 1, 2004
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  12. John

    Phil P. Guest

    "John" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > Hello.
    >
    > I am really interested to know if anyone has had any joy with having
    > tracking devices or cameras on their pets?


    One the big gun biologists did a study on cat behavior by using a "cat-cam"
    (they originally called it a "pussy cam"but they changed the name for some
    reason - wise move). I can't remember which - might have been Leyhausen or
    MacDonald or possibly Bradshaw.

    They attached the camera to the cat's collar to track the cat's activities.
    Outdoor proponents would sure be disappointed if they saw the tape.

    Phil
    Phil P., Oct 1, 2004
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  13. John

    Phil P. Guest

    "John" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > Hello.
    >
    > I am really interested to know if anyone has had any joy with having
    > tracking devices or cameras on their pets?


    One the big gun biologists did a study on cat behavior by using a "cat-cam"
    (they originally called it a "pussy cam"but they changed the name for some
    reason - wise move). I can't remember which - might have been Leyhausen or
    MacDonald or possibly Bradshaw.

    They attached the camera to the cat's collar to track the cat's activities.
    Outdoor proponents would sure be disappointed if they saw the tape.

    Phil
    Phil P., Oct 1, 2004
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  14. John

    Ionizer Guest

    "John" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > Hello.
    >
    > I am really interested to know if anyone has had any joy with having
    > tracking devices or cameras on their pets? I'd be very interested to
    > know this especially if you have a cat, but also a dog as well.
    >
    > I am researching into whether its possible to have a tiny wireless
    > camera attached to your cat somehow so you can see what it gets up to
    > when its out and about.
    >
    > I have seen some very tiny wireless spy cams, some have pretty good
    > quality video for such small cameras, and they are also quite cheap so
    > it wouldn't be a problem if it got damaged.
    >


    Maybe you should be exploring the possibilities of gps tracking devices
    instead of cameras:
    http://www.gps-practice-and-fun.com/gps-pet-tracking.html The issue of
    cat tracking is specifically addressed near the bottom of the page- they
    anticipate that next year's devices may be small enough for such purposes.
    Our cats sleep for about 16 hours a day I think, which makes them very
    easy to keep track of.

    Regards,
    Ian.
    Ionizer, Oct 1, 2004
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  15. John

    Ashley Guest

    "Phil P." <> wrote in message
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    > They attached the camera to the cat's collar to track the cat's
    > activities.
    > Outdoor proponents would sure be disappointed if they saw the tape.


    Why?

    Do you think "outdoor proponents" would be disappointed seeing evidence that
    their cats kill things? Knowing as they do that cats are carnivores?
    Ashley, Oct 1, 2004
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  16. John

    Mary Guest

    "Phil P." <> wrote in message
    news:...
    >
    > "John" <> wrote in message
    > news:...
    > > Hello.
    > >
    > > I am really interested to know if anyone has had any joy with having
    > > tracking devices or cameras on their pets?

    >
    > One the big gun biologists did a study on cat behavior by using a

    "cat-cam"
    > (they originally called it a "pussy cam"but they changed the name for some
    > reason - wise move). I can't remember which - might have been Leyhausen

    or
    > MacDonald or possibly Bradshaw.
    >
    > They attached the camera to the cat's collar to track the cat's

    activities.
    > Outdoor proponents would sure be disappointed if they saw the tape.
    >
    > Phil
    >

    Why, what did the cat do? I am curious.
    Mary, Oct 1, 2004
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  17. John

    Mary Guest

    "Ashley" <> wrote in message
    news:tUa7d.8746$...
    >
    > "Phil P." <> wrote in message
    > news:...
    >
    >
    > > They attached the camera to the cat's collar to track the cat's
    > > activities.
    > > Outdoor proponents would sure be disappointed if they saw the tape.

    >
    > Why?
    >
    > Do you think "outdoor proponents" would be disappointed seeing evidence

    that
    > their cats kill things? Knowing as they do that cats are carnivores?
    >
    >



    Maybe he means that they go under the house and go to sleep.
    Mary, Oct 1, 2004
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  18. John

    ProfGene Guest

    The range of spycams or surreilance cams is a hundred feet so it would be
    impracticle for anything beyond your house. People do implant chips in their
    cats and dogs so they can be identified if found by someone else when they
    get lost. There are ways to remotely watch your home through the internet if
    you have surveilance cams hooked up but this could not work with a moving
    animal. For wireless you would have to have something like the phone cams
    used by TV journalists and this would not be practical for a pet at this
    point in time. In the future this might be possible if things get
    miniatureized more.
    "John" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > Hello.
    >
    > I am really interested to know if anyone has had any joy with having
    > tracking devices or cameras on their pets? I'd be very interested to
    > know this especially if you have a cat, but also a dog as well.
    >
    > I am researching into whether its possible to have a tiny wireless
    > camera attached to your cat somehow so you can see what it gets up to
    > when its out and about.
    >
    > I have seen some very tiny wireless spy cams, some have pretty good
    > quality video for such small cameras, and they are also quite cheap so
    > it wouldn't be a problem if it got damaged.
    >
    > The main thing, well the only thing I am concerned about if this was
    > possible is to make it so that the cat doesn't even know its there and
    > doesn't have any discomfort. So one of the main things I'd be
    > interested to know is if these wireless devices transmitting on 2.4
    > Ghz (or whatever that is) give out much radiation like with mobile
    > phones? If so then I wouldn't be interested unless the levels were
    > extremely minimal and safe.
    >
    > If it wouldn't be too heavy and you could have it hanging from its
    > collar, or, perhaps some kind of clothing your cat could have around
    > its belly, then that would be good. The only difficult thing would be
    > trying to get the cat to agree to have it, he could scratch you to
    > bits making it impossible to put on the collar. Perhaps a velcro
    > strip of fabric wrapped around the middle of the cat with the tiny cam
    > on top would work?
    >
    > I think the main problem would be the power source. Some of these
    > tiny spy cams need a square 9v battery, or 4x AA sized batteries,
    > which would weight too much. If I was to get one of the tiny spy
    > cams, I would have to modify it so that it could run on the tiny
    > lithium batteries instead to minimise weight. Perhaps I could have 2
    > or 3 of them together which would have the right voltage. Of course
    > that would then reduce the battery life quite a lot because of the
    > lower capacity. At best I would probably only then get 1 or 2 hours
    > max if that.
    >
    > I don't believe the range of the cam would be much of a problem as a
    > few of them can transmit up to a couple hundred meters away. Perhaps
    > if it went in another persons home though to visit their cat it might
    > cut the video, if it didn't though that would open a whole new can of
    > worms concerning privacy etc. I think it should be obvious if the cat
    > had a cam on it, though some of them do just walk into homes
    > uninvited.
    >
    > There has been a programme on television here in England that managed
    > to do this I believe, so if I can find out the programme it would be
    > interesting to see their set up and how they did it.
    >
    > Anyone else out their interested to see what their feline gets up to
    > during the day, and even night?
    >
    > I have posted this to a couple other groups besides the cat ones where
    > I thought there may be some knowledgable people on tiny wireless cams.
    >
    > Anyway thanks for any info/ideas/suggestions on making this possible.
    > It might turn out to be a bad idea, but I wont know unless I
    > investigate more.
    >
    > Cheers
    >
    > John
    >
    >
    ProfGene, Oct 1, 2004
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  19. John

    Matej Artac Guest

    "Tony Morgan" <> wrote in message
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    > I've seen TV documentaries where transponders are attached to birds to
    > analyse migration patterns.


    I guess planting a "bug" that sends a signal allowing a triangulation or
    tracking of the animal is feasible. Putting a small camera on the animal,
    however, I'm not so sure as, as the OP said, the batteries and the camera
    itself would be a burdon. Sure, you can put it on a seal or a whale, but on
    a domestic cat?

    >
    > If geese then why not cats? I can anticipate funding for some
    > enterprising student's PhD on "Nocturnal socialisation patterns of
    > domestic felines".


    I am sure there are biologists out there researching that :) But again,
    imagine a video footage of the encounters and activities of a pet! :)

    > :)
    >
    > (I fear that I must continue to attach a smiley to posts in this
    > thread).


    Do not fear to smile :)

    Matej
    Matej Artac, Oct 1, 2004
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  20. John

    Phil P. Guest

    "Ashley" <> wrote in message
    news:tUa7d.8746$...
    >
    > "Phil P." <> wrote in message
    > news:...
    >
    >
    > > They attached the camera to the cat's collar to track the cat's
    > > activities.
    > > Outdoor proponents would sure be disappointed if they saw the tape.

    >
    > Why?



    The cats spent 40% of their time asleep, 22% resting, 13% hunting (although
    this varied), 20% grooming, 3% wondering, and 2% feeding. --- just about
    everything they do indoors.


    >
    > Do you think "outdoor proponents" would be disappointed seeing evidence

    that
    > their cats kill things?


    > Knowing as they do that cats are carnivores?



    Nope. But they should be disappointed if their cats *didn't* kill other
    animals - especially after all the work nature put into designing the
    quintessential predator.
    Phil P., Oct 2, 2004
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