can't we install old apps on Vista64???

Discussion in 'Windows 64bit' started by javelin, Dec 8, 2008.

  1. javelin

    javelin Guest

    I have noticed that some older apps won't install on my new 64bit
    system (ie: CorelDraw 12). Is it possible that some just won't install
    on this new toy? Anything that can be done? I've already tried setting
    compatibility to Windows XP (SP2), but it doesn't make a difference. I
    get the message, "The version of this file is not compatible with the
    version of Windows you're running". Any chance of a real solution for
    this?

    Thanks in advance.
    javelin, Dec 8, 2008
    #1
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  2. Anything that uses a 16bit installer will not [install], and missing 64bit
    driver support will not [run] - the installer you can circumvent, you could
    move an installed copy from a 32bit system over onto your 64bit system, but
    you will probably experience trouble with the Registry.

    Frankly: don't you think you need a modern version? Since you know you want
    the product, the expense should be 'worth it'.


    Tony. . .



    "javelin" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    >I have noticed that some older apps won't install on my new 64bit
    > system (ie: CorelDraw 12). Is it possible that some just won't install
    > on this new toy? Anything that can be done? I've already tried setting
    > compatibility to Windows XP (SP2), but it doesn't make a difference. I
    > get the message, "The version of this file is not compatible with the
    > version of Windows you're running". Any chance of a real solution for
    > this?
    >
    > Thanks in advance.
    Tony Sperling, Dec 8, 2008
    #2
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  3. Many older 32-bit programs used a 16 bit installer, and even those that
    didn't have other limitations such as hard coded version dependencies. The
    easiest workaround is as Stefan suggests - run the application in a virtual
    machine on your Vista 64 box. There are some limitations, but it's still a
    quite viable workaround. If you _need_ direct USB support for the
    application, you will have to chose a non-Microsoft virtualization solution
    such as VMWare. But otherwise, Virtual PC is a good choice.

    --
    Charlie.
    http://msmvps.com/blogs/xperts64
    http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/charlie.russel

    "javelin" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    >I have noticed that some older apps won't install on my new 64bit
    > system (ie: CorelDraw 12). Is it possible that some just won't install
    > on this new toy? Anything that can be done? I've already tried setting
    > compatibility to Windows XP (SP2), but it doesn't make a difference. I
    > get the message, "The version of this file is not compatible with the
    > version of Windows you're running". Any chance of a real solution for
    > this?
    >
    > Thanks in advance.
    Charlie Russel - MVP, Dec 8, 2008
    #3
  4. javelin

    Guest

    On Dec 8, 7:03 am, "Charlie Russel - MVP"
    <> wrote:
    > Many older 32-bit programs used a 16 bit installer, and even those that
    > didn't have other limitations such as hard coded version dependencies. The
    > easiest workaround is as Stefan suggests - run the application in a virtual
    > machine on your Vista 64 box. There are some limitations, but it's still a
    > quite viable workaround. If you _need_ direct USB support for the
    > application, you will have to chose a non-Microsoft virtualization solution
    > such as VMWare. But otherwise, Virtual PC is a good choice.
    >
    > --
    > Charlie.http://msmvps.com/blogs/xperts64http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/charlie.russel
    >
    > "javelin" <> wrote in message
    >
    > news:...
    >
    > >I have noticed that some older apps won't install on my new 64bit
    > > system (ie: CorelDraw 12). Is it possible that some just won't install
    > > on this new toy? Anything that can be done? I've already tried setting
    > > compatibility to Windows XP (SP2), but it doesn't make a difference. I
    > > get the message, "The version of this file is not compatible with the
    > > version of Windows you're running". Any chance of a real solution for
    > > this?

    >
    > > Thanks in advance.


    I just ran into the same problem. [Pretty good considering the number
    of years I have run X64.] I noticed older posts on this newsgroup
    referred to "wininstall" . There is now a free LE (lame edition).
    Howeve, my 16 bit app is not a .msi, but a .exe. I'm not sure how to
    get the program into wininstall.

    I tried dosbox and the window just shut down. When I tried the program
    on an old win2kpro machine, the program complained that there wasn't
    enough memory.

    I believe the program is 32 bits, but the installer is 16 bits. Is
    there some manner that I could request the program such that I could
    install it by hand?

    This is the program in question:
    <http://www.cosmic.com.au/acarsanalyser/v3/DownloadRegister/
    download.asp>
    , Dec 9, 2008
    #4
  5. You're pretty much on your own with this. You can try contacting the
    manufacturer/developer, but IME that's rarely going to lead to much. Failing
    that, you can install the app in a 32-bit OS, capturing all the registry
    changes and locations. Move the program to your 64-bit machine, and make the
    necessary registry changes. BUT, keep in mind that there is both file system
    and registry path redirection going on, making this not nearly as clean as
    you might want.

    Or just run it in a VM. Seriously, anything that will run on Windows 2000 or
    Windows XP would likely run in a smallish VM of ~256 Mb of RAM or even less.
    And if it will run in Win9x, you can run a tiny VM.

    --
    Charlie.
    http://msmvps.com/blogs/xperts64
    http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/charlie.russel

    <> wrote in message
    news:...
    On Dec 8, 7:03 am, "Charlie Russel - MVP"
    <> wrote:
    > Many older 32-bit programs used a 16 bit installer, and even those that
    > didn't have other limitations such as hard coded version dependencies. The
    > easiest workaround is as Stefan suggests - run the application in a
    > virtual
    > machine on your Vista 64 box. There are some limitations, but it's still a
    > quite viable workaround. If you _need_ direct USB support for the
    > application, you will have to chose a non-Microsoft virtualization
    > solution
    > such as VMWare. But otherwise, Virtual PC is a good choice.
    >
    > --
    > Charlie.http://msmvps.com/blogs/xperts64http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/charlie.russel
    >
    > "javelin" <> wrote in message
    >
    > news:...
    >
    > >I have noticed that some older apps won't install on my new 64bit
    > > system (ie: CorelDraw 12). Is it possible that some just won't install
    > > on this new toy? Anything that can be done? I've already tried setting
    > > compatibility to Windows XP (SP2), but it doesn't make a difference. I
    > > get the message, "The version of this file is not compatible with the
    > > version of Windows you're running". Any chance of a real solution for
    > > this?

    >
    > > Thanks in advance.


    I just ran into the same problem. [Pretty good considering the number
    of years I have run X64.] I noticed older posts on this newsgroup
    referred to "wininstall" . There is now a free LE (lame edition).
    Howeve, my 16 bit app is not a .msi, but a .exe. I'm not sure how to
    get the program into wininstall.

    I tried dosbox and the window just shut down. When I tried the program
    on an old win2kpro machine, the program complained that there wasn't
    enough memory.

    I believe the program is 32 bits, but the installer is 16 bits. Is
    there some manner that I could request the program such that I could
    install it by hand?

    This is the program in question:
    <http://www.cosmic.com.au/acarsanalyser/v3/DownloadRegister/
    download.asp>
    Charlie Russel - MVP, Dec 9, 2008
    #5
  6. javelin

    Guest

    On Dec 9, 6:34 am, "Charlie Russel - MVP"
    <> wrote:
    > You're pretty much on your own with this. You can try contacting the
    > manufacturer/developer, but IME that's rarely going to lead to much. Failing
    > that, you can install the app in a 32-bit OS, capturing all the registry
    > changes and locations. Move the program to your 64-bit machine, and make the
    > necessary registry changes. BUT, keep in mind that there is both file system
    > and registry path redirection going on, making this not nearly as clean as
    > you might want.
    >
    > Or just run it in a VM. Seriously, anything that will run on Windows 2000 or
    > Windows XP would likely run in a smallish VM of ~256 Mb of RAM or even less.
    > And if it will run in Win9x, you can run a tiny VM.
    >
    > --
    > Charlie.http://msmvps.com/blogs/xperts64http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/charlie.russel
    >
    > <> wrote in message
    >
    > news:...
    > On Dec 8, 7:03 am, "Charlie Russel - MVP"
    >
    >
    >
    > <> wrote:
    > > Many older 32-bit programs used a 16 bit installer, and even those that
    > > didn't have other limitations such as hard coded version dependencies. The
    > > easiest workaround is as Stefan suggests - run the application in a
    > > virtual
    > > machine on your Vista 64 box. There are some limitations, but it's still a
    > > quite viable workaround. If you _need_ direct USB support for the
    > > application, you will have to chose a non-Microsoft virtualization
    > > solution
    > > such as VMWare. But otherwise, Virtual PC is a good choice.

    >
    > > --
    > > Charlie.http://msmvps.com/blogs/xperts64http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/prof...

    >
    > > "javelin" <> wrote in message

    >
    > >news:....

    >
    > > >I have noticed that some older apps won't install on my new 64bit
    > > > system (ie: CorelDraw 12). Is it possible that some just won't install
    > > > on this new toy? Anything that can be done? I've already tried setting
    > > > compatibility to Windows XP (SP2), but it doesn't make a difference. I
    > > > get the message, "The version of this file is not compatible with the
    > > > version of Windows you're running". Any chance of a real solution for
    > > > this?

    >
    > > > Thanks in advance.

    >
    > I just ran into the same problem. [Pretty good considering the number
    > of years I have run X64.] I noticed older posts on this newsgroup
    > referred to "wininstall" . There is now a free LE (lame edition).
    > Howeve, my 16 bit app is not a .msi, but a .exe. I'm not sure how to
    > get the program into wininstall.
    >
    > I tried dosbox and the window just shut down. When I tried the program
    > on an old win2kpro machine, the program complained that there wasn't
    > enough memory.
    >
    > I believe the program is 32 bits, but the installer is 16 bits. Is
    > there some manner that I could request the program such that I could
    > install it by hand?
    >
    > This is the program in question:
    > <http://www.cosmic.com.au/acarsanalyser/v3/DownloadRegister/
    > download.asp>


    This is what I got from the author of the program:

    It is built using a program called Setup Specialist. It offers 16 and
    32 bit Operating Systems, all of my installations are done as a 32 bit
    system, so am a bit surprised. I had a look on their site and there is
    no mention of 64 bit system, but as you say it should install as a 32
    bit program.

    I already tried the install on win2kpro. The complaint was a lack of
    memory. Is there a way to disassemble an .exe. file?
    , Dec 9, 2008
    #6
  7. I'd wager it may be targetted at 32-bit, but clearly has some 16 bit code in
    it.

    Not sure why it's complaining about Win2k. It shouldn't. I'm assuming it was
    at least a 128 Mb Windows 2000 system.

    --
    Charlie.
    http://msmvps.com/blogs/xperts64
    http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/charlie.russel

    <> wrote in message
    news:...
    On Dec 9, 6:34 am, "Charlie Russel - MVP"
    <> wrote:
    > You're pretty much on your own with this. You can try contacting the
    > manufacturer/developer, but IME that's rarely going to lead to much.
    > Failing
    > that, you can install the app in a 32-bit OS, capturing all the registry
    > changes and locations. Move the program to your 64-bit machine, and make
    > the
    > necessary registry changes. BUT, keep in mind that there is both file
    > system
    > and registry path redirection going on, making this not nearly as clean as
    > you might want.
    >
    > Or just run it in a VM. Seriously, anything that will run on Windows 2000
    > or
    > Windows XP would likely run in a smallish VM of ~256 Mb of RAM or even
    > less.
    > And if it will run in Win9x, you can run a tiny VM.
    >
    > --
    > Charlie.http://msmvps.com/blogs/xperts64http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/charlie.russel
    >
    > <> wrote in message
    >
    > news:...
    > On Dec 8, 7:03 am, "Charlie Russel - MVP"
    >
    >
    >
    > <> wrote:
    > > Many older 32-bit programs used a 16 bit installer, and even those that
    > > didn't have other limitations such as hard coded version dependencies.
    > > The
    > > easiest workaround is as Stefan suggests - run the application in a
    > > virtual
    > > machine on your Vista 64 box. There are some limitations, but it's still
    > > a
    > > quite viable workaround. If you _need_ direct USB support for the
    > > application, you will have to chose a non-Microsoft virtualization
    > > solution
    > > such as VMWare. But otherwise, Virtual PC is a good choice.

    >
    > > --
    > > Charlie.http://msmvps.com/blogs/xperts64http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/prof...

    >
    > > "javelin" <> wrote in message

    >
    > >news:...

    >
    > > >I have noticed that some older apps won't install on my new 64bit
    > > > system (ie: CorelDraw 12). Is it possible that some just won't install
    > > > on this new toy? Anything that can be done? I've already tried setting
    > > > compatibility to Windows XP (SP2), but it doesn't make a difference. I
    > > > get the message, "The version of this file is not compatible with the
    > > > version of Windows you're running". Any chance of a real solution for
    > > > this?

    >
    > > > Thanks in advance.

    >
    > I just ran into the same problem. [Pretty good considering the number
    > of years I have run X64.] I noticed older posts on this newsgroup
    > referred to "wininstall" . There is now a free LE (lame edition).
    > Howeve, my 16 bit app is not a .msi, but a .exe. I'm not sure how to
    > get the program into wininstall.
    >
    > I tried dosbox and the window just shut down. When I tried the program
    > on an old win2kpro machine, the program complained that there wasn't
    > enough memory.
    >
    > I believe the program is 32 bits, but the installer is 16 bits. Is
    > there some manner that I could request the program such that I could
    > install it by hand?
    >
    > This is the program in question:
    > <http://www.cosmic.com.au/acarsanalyser/v3/DownloadRegister/
    > download.asp>


    This is what I got from the author of the program:

    It is built using a program called Setup Specialist. It offers 16 and
    32 bit Operating Systems, all of my installations are done as a 32 bit
    system, so am a bit surprised. I had a look on their site and there is
    no mention of 64 bit system, but as you say it should install as a 32
    bit program.

    I already tried the install on win2kpro. The complaint was a lack of
    memory. Is there a way to disassemble an .exe. file?
    Charlie Russel - MVP, Dec 9, 2008
    #7
  8. javelin

    javelin Guest

    On Dec 8, 9:03 am, "Charlie Russel - MVP"
    <> wrote:
    > Many older 32-bit programs used a 16 bit installer, and even those that
    > didn't have other limitations such as hard coded version dependencies. The
    > easiest workaround is as Stefan suggests - run the application in a virtual
    > machine on your Vista 64 box. There are some limitations, but it's still a
    > quite viable workaround. If you _need_ direct USB support for the
    > application, you will have to chose a non-Microsoft virtualization solution
    > such as VMWare. But otherwise, Virtual PC is a good choice.
    >
    > --
    > Charlie.http://msmvps.com/blogs/xperts64http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/charlie.russel
    >
    > "javelin" <> wrote in message
    >
    > news:...
    >
    > >I have noticed that some older apps won't install on my new 64bit
    > > system (ie: CorelDraw 12). Is it possible that some just won't install
    > > on this new toy? Anything that can be done? I've already tried setting
    > > compatibility to Windows XP (SP2), but it doesn't make a difference. I
    > > get the message, "The version of this file is not compatible with the
    > > version of Windows you're running". Any chance of a real solution for
    > > this?

    >
    > > Thanks in advance.


    Thanks Stefan and Charlie, however, I can't get this to install on the
    Virtual PC either. I don't know about VMware, but I'm guessing the
    same problem will occur if it has anything to do with the graphics
    card. I understand that the graphics card features are not
    transferable to the VM box. I'd get the latest software version, but
    that will have to wait a while.

    Thanks again.
    J
    javelin, Dec 10, 2008
    #8
  9. The virtualized graphics card is pretty limited in a VM. If your program is
    requiring high end graphics, virtualization isn't a solution.

    --
    Charlie.
    http://msmvps.com/blogs/xperts64
    http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/charlie.russel

    "javelin" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    On Dec 8, 9:03 am, "Charlie Russel - MVP"
    <> wrote:
    > Many older 32-bit programs used a 16 bit installer, and even those that
    > didn't have other limitations such as hard coded version dependencies. The
    > easiest workaround is as Stefan suggests - run the application in a
    > virtual
    > machine on your Vista 64 box. There are some limitations, but it's still a
    > quite viable workaround. If you _need_ direct USB support for the
    > application, you will have to chose a non-Microsoft virtualization
    > solution
    > such as VMWare. But otherwise, Virtual PC is a good choice.
    >
    > --
    > Charlie.http://msmvps.com/blogs/xperts64http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/charlie.russel
    >
    > "javelin" <> wrote in message
    >
    > news:...
    >
    > >I have noticed that some older apps won't install on my new 64bit
    > > system (ie: CorelDraw 12). Is it possible that some just won't install
    > > on this new toy? Anything that can be done? I've already tried setting
    > > compatibility to Windows XP (SP2), but it doesn't make a difference. I
    > > get the message, "The version of this file is not compatible with the
    > > version of Windows you're running". Any chance of a real solution for
    > > this?

    >
    > > Thanks in advance.


    Thanks Stefan and Charlie, however, I can't get this to install on the
    Virtual PC either. I don't know about VMware, but I'm guessing the
    same problem will occur if it has anything to do with the graphics
    card. I understand that the graphics card features are not
    transferable to the VM box. I'd get the latest software version, but
    that will have to wait a while.

    Thanks again.
    J
    Charlie Russel - MVP, Dec 10, 2008
    #9
  10. javelin

    Guest

    On Dec 9, 4:26 pm, javelin <> wrote:
    > On Dec 8, 9:03 am, "Charlie Russel - MVP"
    >
    >
    >
    > <> wrote:
    > > Many older 32-bit programs used a 16 bit installer, and even those that
    > > didn't have other limitations such as hard coded version dependencies. The
    > > easiest workaround is as Stefan suggests - run the application in a virtual
    > > machine on your Vista 64 box. There are some limitations, but it's still a
    > > quite viable workaround. If you _need_ direct USB support for the
    > > application, you will have to chose a non-Microsoft virtualization solution
    > > such as VMWare. But otherwise, Virtual PC is a good choice.

    >
    > > --
    > > Charlie.http://msmvps.com/blogs/xperts64http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/prof...

    >
    > > "javelin" <> wrote in message

    >
    > >news:....

    >
    > > >I have noticed that some older apps won't install on my new 64bit
    > > > system (ie: CorelDraw 12). Is it possible that some just won't install
    > > > on this new toy? Anything that can be done? I've already tried setting
    > > > compatibility to Windows XP (SP2), but it doesn't make a difference. I
    > > > get the message, "The version of this file is not compatible with the
    > > > version of Windows you're running". Any chance of a real solution for
    > > > this?

    >
    > > > Thanks in advance.

    >
    > Thanks Stefan and Charlie, however, I can't get this to install on the
    > Virtual PC either. I don't know about VMware, but I'm guessing the
    > same problem will occur if it has anything to do with the graphics
    > card. I understand that the graphics card features are not
    > transferable to the VM box. I'd get the latest software version, but
    > that will have to wait a while.
    >
    > Thanks again.
    > J


    I thought VMWare has it's own drivers.

    I tried Virtual PC once and got the feeling it was something MS bought
    but never fertilized.
    , Dec 10, 2008
    #10
  11. CorelDraw 12 is not supported on Vista. There are reports that some have
    successfully installed it on Vista, but this was presumably 32-bit Vista.
    CorelDraw X3 and later are supported, but a few early shipments of X3 need
    an update for Vista compatibility.

    I don't know what the graphics card requirements are for CorelDraw, but if
    it requires 3-D it will not work in a VM as the emulated graphics cards are
    only 2-D. Possibly you could increase the default graphics memory allocation
    as the default tends to be very small and might be too low.



    "javelin" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    On Dec 8, 9:03 am, "Charlie Russel - MVP"
    <> wrote:
    > Many older 32-bit programs used a 16 bit installer, and even those that
    > didn't have other limitations such as hard coded version dependencies. The
    > easiest workaround is as Stefan suggests - run the application in a
    > virtual
    > machine on your Vista 64 box. There are some limitations, but it's still a
    > quite viable workaround. If you _need_ direct USB support for the
    > application, you will have to chose a non-Microsoft virtualization
    > solution
    > such as VMWare. But otherwise, Virtual PC is a good choice.
    >
    > --
    > Charlie.http://msmvps.com/blogs/xperts64http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/charlie.russel
    >
    > "javelin" <> wrote in message
    >
    > news:...
    >
    > >I have noticed that some older apps won't install on my new 64bit
    > > system (ie: CorelDraw 12). Is it possible that some just won't install
    > > on this new toy? Anything that can be done? I've already tried setting
    > > compatibility to Windows XP (SP2), but it doesn't make a difference. I
    > > get the message, "The version of this file is not compatible with the
    > > version of Windows you're running". Any chance of a real solution for
    > > this?

    >
    > > Thanks in advance.


    Thanks Stefan and Charlie, however, I can't get this to install on the
    Virtual PC either. I don't know about VMware, but I'm guessing the
    same problem will occur if it has anything to do with the graphics
    card. I understand that the graphics card features are not
    transferable to the VM box. I'd get the latest software version, but
    that will have to wait a while.

    Thanks again.
    J
    Dominic Payer, Dec 10, 2008
    #11
  12. javelin

    Jeff Gaines Guest

    On 09/12/2008 in message
    <>
    wrote:

    >I already tried the install on win2kpro. The complaint was a lack of
    >memory. Is there a way to disassemble an .exe. file?


    I'm sure this came up here recently - the out of memory is one of those
    mis-leading ones that often means there is another problem. It may be
    worth Googling for the exact error message.

    --
    Jeff Gaines Damerham Hampshire UK
    There is no reason anyone would want a computer in their home.
    (Ken Olson, president Digital Equipment, 1977)
    Jeff Gaines, Dec 10, 2008
    #12
  13. Virtual PC was bought (as was Virtual Server). But it's definitely being
    fertilized. I'm expecting to see something interesting in the Win7 time
    frame, but have no idea what it's going to look like. The people working on
    it, or who know about it, are being VERY quiet.

    --
    Charlie.
    http://msmvps.com/blogs/xperts64
    http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/charlie.russel

    <> wrote in message
    news:...
    On Dec 9, 4:26 pm, javelin <> wrote:
    > On Dec 8, 9:03 am, "Charlie Russel - MVP"
    >
    >
    >
    > <> wrote:
    > > Many older 32-bit programs used a 16 bit installer, and even those that
    > > didn't have other limitations such as hard coded version dependencies.
    > > The
    > > easiest workaround is as Stefan suggests - run the application in a
    > > virtual
    > > machine on your Vista 64 box. There are some limitations, but it's still
    > > a
    > > quite viable workaround. If you _need_ direct USB support for the
    > > application, you will have to chose a non-Microsoft virtualization
    > > solution
    > > such as VMWare. But otherwise, Virtual PC is a good choice.

    >
    > > --
    > > Charlie.http://msmvps.com/blogs/xperts64http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/prof...

    >
    > > "javelin" <> wrote in message

    >
    > >news:...

    >
    > > >I have noticed that some older apps won't install on my new 64bit
    > > > system (ie: CorelDraw 12). Is it possible that some just won't install
    > > > on this new toy? Anything that can be done? I've already tried setting
    > > > compatibility to Windows XP (SP2), but it doesn't make a difference. I
    > > > get the message, "The version of this file is not compatible with the
    > > > version of Windows you're running". Any chance of a real solution for
    > > > this?

    >
    > > > Thanks in advance.

    >
    > Thanks Stefan and Charlie, however, I can't get this to install on the
    > Virtual PC either. I don't know about VMware, but I'm guessing the
    > same problem will occur if it has anything to do with the graphics
    > card. I understand that the graphics card features are not
    > transferable to the VM box. I'd get the latest software version, but
    > that will have to wait a while.
    >
    > Thanks again.
    > J


    I thought VMWare has it's own drivers.

    I tried Virtual PC once and got the feeling it was something MS bought
    but never fertilized.
    Charlie Russel - MVP, Dec 10, 2008
    #13
  14. No way to increase it that I'm aware of. Unfortunately.

    --
    Charlie.
    http://msmvps.com/blogs/xperts64
    http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/charlie.russel

    "Dominic Payer" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > CorelDraw 12 is not supported on Vista. There are reports that some have
    > successfully installed it on Vista, but this was presumably 32-bit Vista.
    > CorelDraw X3 and later are supported, but a few early shipments of X3 need
    > an update for Vista compatibility.
    >
    > I don't know what the graphics card requirements are for CorelDraw, but if
    > it requires 3-D it will not work in a VM as the emulated graphics cards
    > are only 2-D. Possibly you could increase the default graphics memory
    > allocation as the default tends to be very small and might be too low.
    >
    >
    >
    > "javelin" <> wrote in message
    > news:...
    > On Dec 8, 9:03 am, "Charlie Russel - MVP"
    > <> wrote:
    >> Many older 32-bit programs used a 16 bit installer, and even those that
    >> didn't have other limitations such as hard coded version dependencies.
    >> The
    >> easiest workaround is as Stefan suggests - run the application in a
    >> virtual
    >> machine on your Vista 64 box. There are some limitations, but it's still
    >> a
    >> quite viable workaround. If you _need_ direct USB support for the
    >> application, you will have to chose a non-Microsoft virtualization
    >> solution
    >> such as VMWare. But otherwise, Virtual PC is a good choice.
    >>
    >> --
    >> Charlie.http://msmvps.com/blogs/xperts64http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/charlie.russel
    >>
    >> "javelin" <> wrote in message
    >>
    >> news:...
    >>
    >> >I have noticed that some older apps won't install on my new 64bit
    >> > system (ie: CorelDraw 12). Is it possible that some just won't install
    >> > on this new toy? Anything that can be done? I've already tried setting
    >> > compatibility to Windows XP (SP2), but it doesn't make a difference. I
    >> > get the message, "The version of this file is not compatible with the
    >> > version of Windows you're running". Any chance of a real solution for
    >> > this?

    >>
    >> > Thanks in advance.

    >
    > Thanks Stefan and Charlie, however, I can't get this to install on the
    > Virtual PC either. I don't know about VMware, but I'm guessing the
    > same problem will occur if it has anything to do with the graphics
    > card. I understand that the graphics card features are not
    > transferable to the VM box. I'd get the latest software version, but
    > that will have to wait a while.
    >
    > Thanks again.
    > J
    Charlie Russel - MVP, Dec 10, 2008
    #14
  15. Perhaps not with VirtualPC, but you can with VirtualBox and VMware.


    "Charlie Russel - MVP" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > No way to increase it that I'm aware of. Unfortunately.
    >
    > --
    > Charlie.
    > http://msmvps.com/blogs/xperts64
    > http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/charlie.russel
    >
    > "Dominic Payer" <> wrote in message
    > news:...
    >> CorelDraw 12 is not supported on Vista. There are reports that some have
    >> successfully installed it on Vista, but this was presumably 32-bit Vista.
    >> CorelDraw X3 and later are supported, but a few early shipments of X3
    >> need an update for Vista compatibility.
    >>
    >> I don't know what the graphics card requirements are for CorelDraw, but
    >> if it requires 3-D it will not work in a VM as the emulated graphics
    >> cards are only 2-D. Possibly you could increase the default graphics
    >> memory allocation as the default tends to be very small and might be too
    >> low.
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> "javelin" <> wrote in message
    >> news:...
    >> On Dec 8, 9:03 am, "Charlie Russel - MVP"
    >> <> wrote:
    >>> Many older 32-bit programs used a 16 bit installer, and even those that
    >>> didn't have other limitations such as hard coded version dependencies.
    >>> The
    >>> easiest workaround is as Stefan suggests - run the application in a
    >>> virtual
    >>> machine on your Vista 64 box. There are some limitations, but it's still
    >>> a
    >>> quite viable workaround. If you _need_ direct USB support for the
    >>> application, you will have to chose a non-Microsoft virtualization
    >>> solution
    >>> such as VMWare. But otherwise, Virtual PC is a good choice.
    >>>
    >>> --
    >>> Charlie.http://msmvps.com/blogs/xperts64http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/charlie.russel
    >>>
    >>> "javelin" <> wrote in message
    >>>
    >>> news:...
    >>>
    >>> >I have noticed that some older apps won't install on my new 64bit
    >>> > system (ie: CorelDraw 12). Is it possible that some just won't install
    >>> > on this new toy? Anything that can be done? I've already tried setting
    >>> > compatibility to Windows XP (SP2), but it doesn't make a difference. I
    >>> > get the message, "The version of this file is not compatible with the
    >>> > version of Windows you're running". Any chance of a real solution for
    >>> > this?
    >>>
    >>> > Thanks in advance.

    >>
    >> Thanks Stefan and Charlie, however, I can't get this to install on the
    >> Virtual PC either. I don't know about VMware, but I'm guessing the
    >> same problem will occur if it has anything to do with the graphics
    >> card. I understand that the graphics card features are not
    >> transferable to the VM box. I'd get the latest software version, but
    >> that will have to wait a while.
    >>
    >> Thanks again.
    >> J

    >
    Dominic Payer, Dec 10, 2008
    #15
  16. Possibly. Never used Virtualbox. And gave up on VMWare for my environment -
    it fragmented RAM _way_ too much.

    --
    Charlie.
    http://msmvps.com/blogs/xperts64
    http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/charlie.russel

    "Dominic Payer" <> wrote in message
    news:eb$...
    > Perhaps not with VirtualPC, but you can with VirtualBox and VMware.
    >
    >
    > "Charlie Russel - MVP" <> wrote in message
    > news:...
    >> No way to increase it that I'm aware of. Unfortunately.
    >>
    >> --
    >> Charlie.
    >> http://msmvps.com/blogs/xperts64
    >> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/charlie.russel
    >>
    >> "Dominic Payer" <> wrote in message
    >> news:...
    >>> CorelDraw 12 is not supported on Vista. There are reports that some have
    >>> successfully installed it on Vista, but this was presumably 32-bit
    >>> Vista. CorelDraw X3 and later are supported, but a few early shipments
    >>> of X3 need an update for Vista compatibility.
    >>>
    >>> I don't know what the graphics card requirements are for CorelDraw, but
    >>> if it requires 3-D it will not work in a VM as the emulated graphics
    >>> cards are only 2-D. Possibly you could increase the default graphics
    >>> memory allocation as the default tends to be very small and might be too
    >>> low.
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> "javelin" <> wrote in message
    >>> news:...
    >>> On Dec 8, 9:03 am, "Charlie Russel - MVP"
    >>> <> wrote:
    >>>> Many older 32-bit programs used a 16 bit installer, and even those that
    >>>> didn't have other limitations such as hard coded version dependencies.
    >>>> The
    >>>> easiest workaround is as Stefan suggests - run the application in a
    >>>> virtual
    >>>> machine on your Vista 64 box. There are some limitations, but it's
    >>>> still a
    >>>> quite viable workaround. If you _need_ direct USB support for the
    >>>> application, you will have to chose a non-Microsoft virtualization
    >>>> solution
    >>>> such as VMWare. But otherwise, Virtual PC is a good choice.
    >>>>
    >>>> --
    >>>> Charlie.http://msmvps.com/blogs/xperts64http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/charlie.russel
    >>>>
    >>>> "javelin" <> wrote in message
    >>>>
    >>>> news:...
    >>>>
    >>>> >I have noticed that some older apps won't install on my new 64bit
    >>>> > system (ie: CorelDraw 12). Is it possible that some just won't
    >>>> > install
    >>>> > on this new toy? Anything that can be done? I've already tried
    >>>> > setting
    >>>> > compatibility to Windows XP (SP2), but it doesn't make a difference.
    >>>> > I
    >>>> > get the message, "The version of this file is not compatible with the
    >>>> > version of Windows you're running". Any chance of a real solution for
    >>>> > this?
    >>>>
    >>>> > Thanks in advance.
    >>>
    >>> Thanks Stefan and Charlie, however, I can't get this to install on the
    >>> Virtual PC either. I don't know about VMware, but I'm guessing the
    >>> same problem will occur if it has anything to do with the graphics
    >>> card. I understand that the graphics card features are not
    >>> transferable to the VM box. I'd get the latest software version, but
    >>> that will have to wait a while.
    >>>
    >>> Thanks again.
    >>> J

    >>

    >
    Charlie Russel - MVP, Dec 11, 2008
    #16
  17. javelin

    Guest

    On Dec 10, 7:26 am, "Charlie Russel - MVP"
    <> wrote:
    > Virtual PC was bought (as was Virtual Server). But it's definitely being
    > fertilized. I'm expecting to see something interesting in the Win7 time
    > frame, but have no idea what it's going to look like. The people working on
    > it, or who know about it, are being VERY quiet.
    >
    > --
    > Charlie.http://msmvps.com/blogs/xperts64http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/charlie.russel
    >
    > <> wrote in message
    >
    > news:...
    > On Dec 9, 4:26 pm, javelin <> wrote:
    >
    >
    >
    > > On Dec 8, 9:03 am, "Charlie Russel - MVP"

    >
    > > <> wrote:
    > > > Many older 32-bit programs used a 16 bit installer, and even those that
    > > > didn't have other limitations such as hard coded version dependencies..
    > > > The
    > > > easiest workaround is as Stefan suggests - run the application in a
    > > > virtual
    > > > machine on your Vista 64 box. There are some limitations, but it's still
    > > > a
    > > > quite viable workaround. If you _need_ direct USB support for the
    > > > application, you will have to chose a non-Microsoft virtualization
    > > > solution
    > > > such as VMWare. But otherwise, Virtual PC is a good choice.

    >
    > > > --
    > > > Charlie.http://msmvps.com/blogs/xperts64http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/prof...

    >
    > > > "javelin" <> wrote in message

    >
    > > >news:....

    >
    > > > >I have noticed that some older apps won't install on my new 64bit
    > > > > system (ie: CorelDraw 12). Is it possible that some just won't install
    > > > > on this new toy? Anything that can be done? I've already tried setting
    > > > > compatibility to Windows XP (SP2), but it doesn't make a difference.. I
    > > > > get the message, "The version of this file is not compatible with the
    > > > > version of Windows you're running". Any chance of a real solution for
    > > > > this?

    >
    > > > > Thanks in advance.

    >
    > > Thanks Stefan and Charlie, however, I can't get this to install on the
    > > Virtual PC either. I don't know about VMware, but I'm guessing the
    > > same problem will occur if it has anything to do with the graphics
    > > card. I understand that the graphics card features are not
    > > transferable to the VM box. I'd get the latest software version, but
    > > that will have to wait a while.

    >
    > > Thanks again.
    > > J

    >
    > I thought VMWare has it's own drivers.
    >
    > I tried Virtual PC once and got the feeling it was something MS bought
    > but never fertilized.


    Yes, there seems to be a good market for virtualization, though I
    think it's overblown. [If I had to install and test software for a
    living, I'd have VMware on my box, if only to create a playpen.]

    In any event, I contacted the author of the program in question and he
    recompiled it. There was something funky about the last build.

    It is now installed, though I have other problems. The program uses
    MDAC and Jet, which I need to figure out regarding what I have to
    install on X64.
    , Dec 11, 2008
    #17
  18. javelin

    Doug Forster Guest

    >>It is now installed, though I have other problems. The program uses
    >>MDAC and Jet, which I need to figure out regarding what I have to
    >>install on X64.


    MDAC and Jet are natively present in WOW64 on all X64 OS's to date. There is
    no 64bit Jet and never will be as it is deprecated, but this doesn't matter
    for you as your app is not 64bit.

    Cheers
    Doug Forster
    Doug Forster, Dec 12, 2008
    #18
  19. javelin

    Guest

    On Dec 11, 5:53 pm, "Doug Forster" <> wrote:
    > >>It is now installed, though I have other problems. The program uses
    > >>MDAC and Jet, which I need to figure out regarding what I have to
    > >>install on X64.

    >
    > MDAC and Jet are natively present in WOW64 on all X64 OS's to date. There is
    > no 64bit Jet and never will be as it is deprecated, but this doesn't matter
    > for you as your app is not 64bit.
    >
    > Cheers
    > Doug Forster


    Sounds good to me. Thanks. Still some odd bugs, but the author is
    working on it.
    , Dec 12, 2008
    #19
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