can't log on to buy credits

Discussion in 'UK VOIP' started by ali.n.rammal@gmail.com, Jun 19, 2008.

  1. Guest

    this msg keeps coming :"You have been logged out because the session
    has timed out"
    and then i re-enter my pass and the whole process starts
    again....!!!!!!!!
     
    , Jun 19, 2008
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  2. Graham. Guest


    > this msg keeps coming :"You have been logged out because the session
    > has timed out"
    > and then i re-enter my pass and the whole process starts
    > again....!!!!!!!!


    Absolutely no idea what you are talking about Ali.
    Credits for what?


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    Graham

    %Profound_observation%
     
    Graham., Jun 19, 2008
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  3. Sinna Guest

    wrote:
    > this msg keeps coming :"You have been logged out because the session
    > has timed out"
    > and then i re-enter my pass and the whole process starts
    > again....!!!!!!!!

    I suppose you're talking about BetaMax (VoipCheap, JustVoip, ...)

    I experience the same issues when working with a proxy server.
    Try without using one and see if that works out...


    Sinna
     
    Sinna, Jun 19, 2008
    #3
  4. Soruk Guest

    On 2008-06-19, Sinna <> wrote:
    > wrote:
    >> this msg keeps coming :"You have been logged out because the session
    >> has timed out"
    >> and then i re-enter my pass and the whole process starts
    >> again....!!!!!!!!

    > I suppose you're talking about BetaMax (VoipCheap, JustVoip, ...)
    >
    > I experience the same issues when working with a proxy server.
    > Try without using one and see if that works out...


    I've had that too - try clearing your browser cache.

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    Soruk, Jun 30, 2008
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  5. Soruk <> wrote:
    > On 2008-06-19, Sinna <> wrote:
    > > wrote:
    > >> this msg keeps coming :"You have been logged out because the session
    > >> has timed out"
    > >> and then i re-enter my pass and the whole process starts
    > >> again....!!!!!!!!

    > > I suppose you're talking about BetaMax (VoipCheap, JustVoip, ...)
    > >
    > > I experience the same issues when working with a proxy server.
    > > Try without using one and see if that works out...

    >
    > I've had that too - try clearing your browser cache.


    Betamax have a problem with their login servers. Here's how it works:

    The login page at http://www.smslisto.com/en/buycredits.html includes an
    IFRAME of https://myaccount.smslisto.com/loginpanel.php

    That IFRAME has the username and password boxes. When you fill them in,
    they get submitted via SSL to myaccount.smslisto.com, which (if correct)
    redirects you to the control panel page also on that server. This is the
    real interface where you look at your bills etc.

    myaccount.smslisto.com has the following DNS entry:
    myaccount.smslisto.com has address 195.27.201.2
    myaccount.smslisto.com has address 80.239.136.162

    Here's the important bit: these two servers don't talk to each other. If
    you login to one, your login cookie isn't valid on the other. So it's a
    lottery depending on your browser's IP handling; some browsers do their own
    DNS caching so that it'll pick a single name<->IP mapping and use only that
    for your session (unless that machine becomes unreachable, when it'll switch
    over to the other IP).

    If, however, your browser, proxy or other program doesn't DNS cache then
    you'll pick servers at random for each HTTPS connection you make. There's a
    high probability you'll hit the server which isn't the one you logged into,
    and when you do you're dumped back at the login page with a 'Session timed
    out' error.

    Needless to say, this is broken behaviour on the part of Betamax's servers.

    This was the problem I had to fix in the 'fincheck' script. The simple fix
    is to refer to the server by IP, not by name. In other words, try:
    https://195.27.201.2/
    instead. I'd strongly recommend doing your own lookup because these IP
    addresses may well change. I also note that myaccount.smslisto.cm (sic)
    resolves to a valid address (which currently isn't listening on SSL) so
    watch for phishing as the SSL certificate won't protect you if you're
    referring to sites by number.

    My experience is only with smslisto but quite possibly other Betamax/Finarea
    services suffer from the same issues. The 'fincheck' script now does a
    single name->IP lookup at the start, and then uses that for all operations.
    I've not had any reliability problems since making that change.

    Theo
     
    Theo Markettos, Jul 1, 2008
    #5
  6. Graham. Guest

    "Theo Markettos" <> wrote in message
    news:BRd*...
    > Soruk <> wrote:
    >> On 2008-06-19, Sinna <> wrote:
    >> > wrote:
    >> >> this msg keeps coming :"You have been logged out because the session
    >> >> has timed out"
    >> >> and then i re-enter my pass and the whole process starts
    >> >> again....!!!!!!!!
    >> > I suppose you're talking about BetaMax (VoipCheap, JustVoip, ...)
    >> >
    >> > I experience the same issues when working with a proxy server.
    >> > Try without using one and see if that works out...

    >>
    >> I've had that too - try clearing your browser cache.

    >
    > Betamax have a problem with their login servers. Here's how it works:
    >
    > The login page at http://www.smslisto.com/en/buycredits.html includes an
    > IFRAME of https://myaccount.smslisto.com/loginpanel.php
    >
    > That IFRAME has the username and password boxes. When you fill them in,
    > they get submitted via SSL to myaccount.smslisto.com, which (if correct)
    > redirects you to the control panel page also on that server. This is the
    > real interface where you look at your bills etc.
    >
    > myaccount.smslisto.com has the following DNS entry:
    > myaccount.smslisto.com has address 195.27.201.2
    > myaccount.smslisto.com has address 80.239.136.162
    >
    > Here's the important bit: these two servers don't talk to each other. If
    > you login to one, your login cookie isn't valid on the other. So it's a
    > lottery depending on your browser's IP handling; some browsers do their
    > own
    > DNS caching so that it'll pick a single name<->IP mapping and use only
    > that
    > for your session (unless that machine becomes unreachable, when it'll
    > switch
    > over to the other IP).
    >
    > If, however, your browser, proxy or other program doesn't DNS cache then
    > you'll pick servers at random for each HTTPS connection you make. There's
    > a
    > high probability you'll hit the server which isn't the one you logged
    > into,
    > and when you do you're dumped back at the login page with a 'Session timed
    > out' error.
    >
    > Needless to say, this is broken behaviour on the part of Betamax's
    > servers.
    >
    > This was the problem I had to fix in the 'fincheck' script. The simple
    > fix
    > is to refer to the server by IP, not by name. In other words, try:
    > https://195.27.201.2/
    > instead. I'd strongly recommend doing your own lookup because these IP
    > addresses may well change. I also note that myaccount.smslisto.cm (sic)
    > resolves to a valid address (which currently isn't listening on SSL) so
    > watch for phishing as the SSL certificate won't protect you if you're
    > referring to sites by number.
    >
    > My experience is only with smslisto but quite possibly other
    > Betamax/Finarea
    > services suffer from the same issues. The 'fincheck' script now does a
    > single name->IP lookup at the start, and then uses that for all
    > operations.
    > I've not had any reliability problems since making that change.
    >
    > Theo


    Now that's what I call an answer!
    Thanks Theo.

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    Graham

    %Profound_observation%
     
    Graham., Jul 1, 2008
    #6
  7. Sinna Guest

    Soruk wrote:
    > On 2008-06-19, Sinna <> wrote:
    >> wrote:
    >>> this msg keeps coming :"You have been logged out because the session
    >>> has timed out"
    >>> and then i re-enter my pass and the whole process starts
    >>> again....!!!!!!!!

    >> I suppose you're talking about BetaMax (VoipCheap, JustVoip, ...)
    >>
    >> I experience the same issues when working with a proxy server.
    >> Try without using one and see if that works out...

    >
    > I've had that too - try clearing your browser cache.
    >

    Everytime I start a new session, the browser cache is cleared automatically.

    Sinna
     
    Sinna, Jul 3, 2008
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