Canon vs Nikon, the final word?

Discussion in 'Digital Photography' started by Dudley Hanks, May 16, 2008.

  1. Dudley Hanks

    Dudley Hanks Guest

    That's right!

    I know this is one of those burning issues that people just can't make up
    their minds on. Which camera takes better pics, the Canon A720 or the Nikon
    D3?

    Or, is there yet an unidentified contender out there that can kick both of
    these apertures?

    Send submissions to

    I'll post the entries, without EXIF data or any other hints on my site.
    Then, guests can vote on their favourite via e-mail ballot.

    What will be the deciding factor, the camera or the photog?

    Good Luck,
    Dudley
    Dudley Hanks, May 16, 2008
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  2. Dudley Hanks

    Guest

    On Fri, 16 May 2008 13:54:48 GMT, in rec.photo.digital "Dudley Hanks"
    <> wrote:

    >That's right!
    >
    >I know this is one of those burning issues that people just can't make up
    >their minds on. Which camera takes better pics, the Canon A720 or the Nikon
    >D3?
    >
    >Or, is there yet an unidentified contender out there that can kick both of
    >these apertures?
    >
    >Send submissions to
    >
    >I'll post the entries, without EXIF data or any other hints on my site.
    >Then, guests can vote on their favourite via e-mail ballot.
    >
    >What will be the deciding factor, the camera or the photog?


    Who cares?
    , May 16, 2008
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  3. Dudley Hanks

    Dudley Hanks Guest

    "Charles" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    >
    >
    > "Dudley Hanks" <> wrote in message
    > news:ImgXj.2482$Yp.1302@edtnps92...
    >
    >
    >> What will be the deciding factor, the camera or the photog?

    >
    > Neither; the voters will decide.
    >

    I think you've got a point, there.

    Grin,
    Dudley
    Dudley Hanks, May 17, 2008
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  4. Dudley Hanks

    Dudley Hanks Guest

    <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > On Fri, 16 May 2008 13:54:48 GMT, in rec.photo.digital "Dudley Hanks"
    > <> wrote:
    >
    >>That's right!
    >>
    >>I know this is one of those burning issues that people just can't make up
    >>their minds on. Which camera takes better pics, the Canon A720 or the
    >>Nikon
    >>D3?
    >>
    >>Or, is there yet an unidentified contender out there that can kick both of
    >>these apertures?
    >>
    >>Send submissions to
    >>
    >>I'll post the entries, without EXIF data or any other hints on my site.
    >>Then, guests can vote on their favourite via e-mail ballot.
    >>
    >>What will be the deciding factor, the camera or the photog?

    >
    > Who cares?


    Enquiring minds just have to know!

    Grin,
    Dudley
    Dudley Hanks, May 17, 2008
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  5. Dudley Hanks

    Dudley Hanks Guest

    "Shawn Hirn" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > In article <ImgXj.2482$Yp.1302@edtnps92>,
    > "Dudley Hanks" <> wrote:
    >
    >> That's right!
    >>
    >> I know this is one of those burning issues that people just can't make up
    >> their minds on. Which camera takes better pics, the Canon A720 or the
    >> Nikon
    >> D3?

    >
    > Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I am certain I can shoot nice
    > photos with any camera that has a decent lens, including all the Canon
    > and Nikon cameras. I am a Canon user, but I think what's far more
    > important than the camera one uses is the photographer behind the
    > camera. Learn to use the controls on whatever camera you buy and how to
    > compose photos well and you'll be fine. Learn about the importance of
    > lighting and how shutter speed and aperture effect photos and you'll be
    > fine regardless of which camera you decide to buy.


    A photographer after my own heart...
    Dudley Hanks, May 17, 2008
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  6. Dudley Hanks

    Chris H Guest

    In message <>, Shawn
    Hirn <> writes
    >In article <ImgXj.2482$Yp.1302@edtnps92>,
    > "Dudley Hanks" <> wrote:
    >
    >> That's right!
    >>
    >> I know this is one of those burning issues that people just can't make up
    >> their minds on. Which camera takes better pics, the Canon A720 or the Nikon
    >> D3?

    >
    >Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I am certain I can shoot nice
    >photos with any camera that has a decent lens, including all the Canon
    >and Nikon cameras. I am a Canon user, but I think what's far more
    >important than the camera one uses is the photographer behind the
    >camera. Learn to use the controls on whatever camera you buy and how to
    >compose photos well and you'll be fine. Learn about the importance of
    >lighting and how shutter speed and aperture effect photos and you'll be
    >fine regardless of which camera you decide to buy.



    I agree... however the better photographers tend to be enthusiasts ( or
    turn pro) and end up buying better equipment.

    So "all the best photographers use the D3 or D300" (sorry don't know the
    equivalent Cannon models) Therefore many who aspire to doing better
    photographs will see what the great and the good do (and the kit they
    use) and also aspire to the D3 or D300. This is why the major DSLR
    companies associate with the "best" photographers.

    First you have to be able to see a good picture.
    That is the photographers skill irrespective of camera

    Then you have to know how to take the photograph
    Again that is the photographers skill largely irrespective of camera

    Where the camera comes in is: the better the camera/lens the more
    options you have for taking the photo.

    If I had a good 600mm lens and a D3 I could take pictures in the evening
    I have no hope of taking with my 18-70 and D70

    It is a case of those with more art and skill can get the best results
    form the camera. The better the spec of the camera the more they can do.

    As it is I haven't used the D70 to it's fullest potential yet so whilst
    a D3 would make me feel better I doubt it would improve my photographs
    much other than the technicalities of less noise and more resolution and
    possibly better colour etc


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    Chris H, May 17, 2008
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  7. On May 16, 8:54 am, "Dudley Hanks" <>
    wrote:
    > That's right!
    >
    > I know this is one of those burning issues that people just can't make up
    > their minds on. Which camera takes better pics, the Canon A720 or the Nikon
    > D3?
    >
    > Or, is there yet an unidentified contender out there that can kick both of
    > these apertures?
    >
    > Send submissions to
    >
    > I'll post the entries, without EXIF data or any other hints on my site.
    > Then, guests can vote on their favourite via e-mail ballot.
    >
    > What will be the deciding factor, the camera or the photog?
    >
    > Good Luck,
    > Dudley


    As far as I am concerned, I believe that with any major brand that has
    stood the test of time (Canon and Nikon both qualify) the photographer
    using the camera has a far greater effect on the quality of the
    pictures than what brand.

    Also, even between models, the big variables are in automatic modes.
    If you use the cameras in manual mode than both brands are pretty much
    equivalent, and between models in each line they will be about the
    same in image quality.

    Also, the difference in image quality with various lenses, the
    differences are most apparent at the fastest aperture. Stop down a
    few stops, and most lenses these days will be about the same.
    Don Stauffer in Minnesota, May 17, 2008
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  8. Dudley Hanks

    Ray Fischer Guest

    Dudley Hanks <> wrote:
    >That's right!


    You're an idiot. There won't be a "final word" until one of the two
    companies has gone out of business. Probebly not then, either.

    >I know this is one of those burning issues that people just can't make up
    >their minds on. Which camera takes better pics, the Canon A720 or the Nikon
    >D3?


    You don't even know what "better" means so why are you asking?

    --
    Ray Fischer
    Ray Fischer, May 18, 2008
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  9. Dudley Hanks

    Dudley Hanks Guest

    "Ray Fischer" <> wrote in message
    news:482f9ef7$0$34510$...
    > Dudley Hanks <> wrote:
    >>That's right!

    >
    > You're an idiot. There won't be a "final word" until one of the two
    > companies has gone out of business. Probebly not then, either.


    Lighten up.

    Have you ever heard of satire? Tongue in cheek?

    I'm not talking about a literal comparison, just a fun little contest to
    test the photographer instead of the camera.

    Hope you'll join the fun.

    Dudley
    Dudley Hanks, May 18, 2008
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  10. Dudley Hanks

    Petri Lopia Guest

    Dudley Hanks wrote:
    > I'll post the entries, without EXIF data or any other hints on my site.
    > Then, guests can vote on their favourite via e-mail ballot.


    Well... That's one way to get peoples visit at your website...
    Canon vs. Nikon... That's really easy to answer... Best is ???on!

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    Somebody has to take those bad photos:
    http://www.petrilopia.net/
    Petri Lopia, May 18, 2008
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  11. Dudley Hanks

    Dudley Hanks Guest

    <> wrote in message
    news:g0pal3$bi2$...
    > Dudley Hanks wrote:
    >>just a fun little contest to
    >> test the photographer instead of the camera.

    >
    >
    > Now here's the REAL idea: a CONTEST!
    >
    > The rules are: you must submit 20 photos, in pairs, two of
    > each subject, taken within 2 minutes of each other. One must be made
    > by a Canon camera and lens, the other by a Nikon camera and lens
    > of similar price and functionality (i.e. if one has IS the other
    > must have VR, or both not have it, and f/numbers must match as must
    > focual lengths and zoom ranges). The pictures must be made by the
    > same photographer. The two are compared. And may the
    > two systems tie! (Which, of course, they will, in fair contest.)
    >
    > I'm not running this contest, you understand, just suggesting it.
    >
    > Doug McDonald



    Do the tripods have to be identical as well?


    Grin,
    Dudley
    Dudley Hanks, May 18, 2008
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  12. Dudley Hanks

    Dudley Hanks Guest

    "Yoshi" <> wrote in message
    news:4830164a$0$30491$...
    >
    > "Dudley Hanks" <> wrote in message
    > news:ImgXj.2482$Yp.1302@edtnps92...
    >> That's right!
    >>
    >> I know this is one of those burning issues that people just can't make up
    >> their minds on. Which camera takes better pics, the Canon A720 or the
    >> Nikon D3?
    >>
    >> Or, is there yet an unidentified contender out there that can kick both
    >> of these apertures?
    >>
    >> Send submissions to
    >>
    >> I'll post the entries, without EXIF data or any other hints on my site.
    >> Then, guests can vote on their favourite via e-mail ballot.
    >>
    >> What will be the deciding factor, the camera or the photog?
    >>
    >> Good Luck,
    >> Dudley
    >>

    >
    > The D3, obviously. But the A720 is no slouch for a sub $200 camera that
    > you can put in a jacket pocket.


    See http://www.photography.dudley-hanks.com/Light-And-Sight/index.html


    It's a hint as to the potential of the A720.

    Take Care,
    Dudley
    Dudley Hanks, May 18, 2008
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  13. Dudley Hanks

    Dudley Hanks Guest

    "George Kerby" <> wrote in message
    news:C455BBC4.6AF7%...
    >
    >
    >
    > On 5/18/08 2:53 AM, in article WfRXj.2794$Yp.2136@edtnps92, "Dudley Hanks"
    > <> wrote:
    >
    >>
    >> "Ray Fischer" <> wrote in message
    >> news:482f9ef7$0$34510$...
    >>> Dudley Hanks <> wrote:
    >>>> That's right!
    >>>
    >>> You're an idiot. There won't be a "final word" until one of the two
    >>> companies has gone out of business. Probebly not then, either.

    >>
    >> Lighten up.
    >>
    >> Have you ever heard of satire? Tongue in cheek?
    >>
    >> I'm not talking about a literal comparison, just a fun little contest to
    >> test the photographer instead of the camera.
    >>
    >> Hope you'll join the fun.
    >>
    >> Dudley
    >>
    >>

    > No use, Dudley. Fish-head is a pinhead socialist.
    >
    > They lack a sense of humor...
    >


    I've noticed, George, and their ability to work within the broader community
    is questionable as well.

    Take Care,
    Dudley
    Dudley Hanks, May 18, 2008
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  14. Dudley Hanks

    Dudley Hanks Guest

    "Petri Lopia" <> wrote in message
    news:48305094$0$2658$...
    > Dudley Hanks wrote:
    >> I'll post the entries, without EXIF data or any other hints on my site.
    >> Then, guests can vote on their favourite via e-mail ballot.

    >
    > Well... That's one way to get peoples visit at your website...
    > Canon vs. Nikon... That's really easy to answer... Best is ???on!

    The results have to be posted somewhere. There's no advertising on my site,
    and I don't charge anything for people to use it. I absorb the costs
    myself. Can you think of a better place?

    ....

    I thought not.

    The challenge stands.

    Take Care,
    Dudley
    Dudley Hanks, May 18, 2008
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    Paul Furman Guest

    Yoshi wrote:
    > Dudley Hanks wrote
    >
    >> That's right!
    >>
    >> I know this is one of those burning issues that people just can't make up
    >> their minds on. Which camera takes better pics, the Canon A720 or the
    >> Nikon D3?
    >>
    >> Or, is there yet an unidentified contender out there that can kick both of
    >> these apertures?
    >>
    >> Send submissions to
    >>
    >> I'll post the entries, without EXIF data or any other hints on my site.
    >> Then, guests can vote on their favourite via e-mail ballot.
    >>
    >> What will be the deciding factor, the camera or the photog?

    >
    > The D3, obviously. But the A720 is no slouch for a sub $200 camera that you
    > can put in a jacket pocket. Given the skills of most of the posters here,
    > it's doubtful they could turn in a decent photo with either. They'd rather
    > masturbate over their photo equipment than learn how to use it.


    I submitted a shot with my RAZR V3c 1.3 Megapixel cell phone. It's
    funny, the exif data always says 1/21 second shutter speed and reports
    no focal length, f/stop or ISO. I guess it adjusts ISO to get the
    exposure right. All photos also say "no flash" :)

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    Paul Furman, May 18, 2008
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  16. Dudley Hanks

    Ray Fischer Guest

    George Kerby <> wrote:
    >
    >
    >
    >On 5/18/08 2:53 AM, in article WfRXj.2794$Yp.2136@edtnps92, "Dudley Hanks"
    ><> wrote:
    >
    >>
    >> "Ray Fischer" <> wrote in message
    >> news:482f9ef7$0$34510$...
    >>> Dudley Hanks <> wrote:
    >>>> That's right!
    >>>
    >>> You're an idiot. There won't be a "final word" until one of the two
    >>> companies has gone out of business. Probebly not then, either.

    >>
    >> Lighten up.
    >>
    >> Have you ever heard of satire? Tongue in cheek?
    >>
    >> I'm not talking about a literal comparison, just a fun little contest to
    >> test the photographer instead of the camera.
    >>
    >> Hope you'll join the fun.
    >>
    >> Dudley
    >>
    >>

    >No use, Dudley. Fish-head is a pinhead socialist.


    I see that you're up to your usual standards of intellectual discourse
    and honesty. Maybe when you grow up you'll be able to contribute something
    of substance.

    --
    Ray Fischer
    Ray Fischer, May 18, 2008
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  17. Dudley Hanks

    Ray Fischer Guest

    George Kerby <> wrote:
    >You don't know shit from Shinola, Fish-head. Shutthefuckup, ass-wipe!


    Another well-reasoned kerby kontribution!

    --
    Ray Fischer
    Ray Fischer, May 18, 2008
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  18. Dudley Hanks

    measekite Guest

    George Kerby wrote:
    >
    > On 5/17/08 10:13 PM, in article 482f9ef7$0$34510$,
    > "Ray Fischer" <> wrote:
    >
    >
    >> Dudley Hanks <> wrote:
    >>
    >>> That's right!
    >>>

    >> You're an idiot. There won't be a "final word" until one of the two
    >> companies has gone out of business. Probebly not then, either.
    >>
    >>
    >>> I know this is one of those burning issues that people just can't make up
    >>> their minds on. Which camera takes better pics, the Canon A720 or the Nikon
    >>> D3?
    >>>

    >> You don't even know what "better" means so why are you asking?
    >>

    > You don't know shit from Shinola, Fish-head. Shutthefuckup,


    > ass-wipe!
    >

    What model is that? How many mp?
    measekite, May 22, 2008
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