Canon EOS 10D

Discussion in 'Digital Photography' started by Gerry, Nov 18, 2003.

  1. Gerry

    Gerry Guest

    Hi
    I'm a really frustrated owner of what I thought was going to be a fantastic
    camera.

    I have been a professional photographer for over 30 years (now retired) I
    have even taught the subject in college.

    The only reason for mentioning all that is to show that I do have a little
    knowledge of the subject.

    But now for the very first time in my whole life I have been brought to my
    knees and reduced to a blubbering state by this absolutely rubbish camera
    and completely incompetent company.

    I am now on my 3rd camera. This one like the first 2 is incapable of taking
    a sharply focussed shot.

    If I shoot say 100 pictures, perhaps 10 of them will be so crisp that they
    will seem to jump out of the screen and the rest will have to be deleted
    because they are so far out of focus.

    I have tried to contact Canon technical here in the UK, but you are diverted
    to a help desk somewhere in Belgium.

    I have even sent my lens back to Canon for calibrating at a cost of over £90
    and had to buy 2 new lenses at the suggestion of the shop (Jessops) but this
    hasn't helped one little bit.

    The first time I spoke to a young lady in Canon technical who had never
    heard of a Canon EOS 10D !!

    She suggested that I should try looking in the manual to get some helpful
    hints on how to focus a camera. I KNOW HOW TO FOCUS A CAMERA.

    Now I am coming across a new word that I have never come across before.

    'Back Focusing'

    What on earth is back focusing and is this something that has been dreamed
    up to try and confuse people who are having problems with the camera.

    I've tried auto focusing through each of the cameras settings on a tripod
    and then again using manual and each shot has been out of focus to a greater
    or lesser degree.

    Can anyone with more knowledge that Canon technical try and suggest
    something that could help me to get this camera to take focussed shots
    before I throw it in the bin and claim off the insurance.

    Any suggestions would be gratefully received.

    Gerry
    Gerry, Nov 18, 2003
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  2. Gerry

    stanb Guest

    It is a fantastic camera - but it does have its own quirks and that does
    take a bit of getting used too - One thing to remember the focus points are
    only the centre of the focus 'box' - they do extend outside those points and
    this will cause focus errors - Also try single point focus - I was having an
    awful time on multipoint and get much better results with centre point
    focus, & recompose. Also try RAW format - I find I get better results from
    sharpening a RAW image than the camera gives on JPEG. Lastly too, when you
    say out of focus are you looking at teh image full size on screen? they will
    always be soft ( blow up a 35 mm frame to 20* 30 and look at it from a foot
    away... same )

    The last peice of advise is to go where to best place to find answers /
    support: DPreview canon dslr forum :
    http://www.dpreview.com/forums/forum.asp?forum=1019 there are plenty of 10d
    users there who are far more skilled than I am with it
    "Gerry" <> wrote in message
    news:bpcr56$2sk$...
    > Hi
    > I'm a really frustrated owner of what I thought was going to be a

    fantastic
    > camera.
    >
    > I have been a professional photographer for over 30 years (now retired) I
    > have even taught the subject in college.
    >
    > The only reason for mentioning all that is to show that I do have a little
    > knowledge of the subject.
    >
    > But now for the very first time in my whole life I have been brought to my
    > knees and reduced to a blubbering state by this absolutely rubbish camera
    > and completely incompetent company.
    >
    > I am now on my 3rd camera. This one like the first 2 is incapable of

    taking
    > a sharply focussed shot.
    >
    > If I shoot say 100 pictures, perhaps 10 of them will be so crisp that they
    > will seem to jump out of the screen and the rest will have to be deleted
    > because they are so far out of focus.
    >
    > I have tried to contact Canon technical here in the UK, but you are

    diverted
    > to a help desk somewhere in Belgium.
    >
    > I have even sent my lens back to Canon for calibrating at a cost of over

    £90
    > and had to buy 2 new lenses at the suggestion of the shop (Jessops) but

    this
    > hasn't helped one little bit.
    >
    > The first time I spoke to a young lady in Canon technical who had never
    > heard of a Canon EOS 10D !!
    >
    > She suggested that I should try looking in the manual to get some helpful
    > hints on how to focus a camera. I KNOW HOW TO FOCUS A CAMERA.
    >
    > Now I am coming across a new word that I have never come across before.
    >
    > 'Back Focusing'
    >
    > What on earth is back focusing and is this something that has been dreamed
    > up to try and confuse people who are having problems with the camera.
    >
    > I've tried auto focusing through each of the cameras settings on a tripod
    > and then again using manual and each shot has been out of focus to a

    greater
    > or lesser degree.
    >
    > Can anyone with more knowledge that Canon technical try and suggest
    > something that could help me to get this camera to take focussed shots
    > before I throw it in the bin and claim off the insurance.
    >
    > Any suggestions would be gratefully received.
    >
    > Gerry
    >
    >
    stanb, Nov 18, 2003
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  3. Gerry

    Gavin Cato Guest

    Chuck that junk in the bin, go to Nikon. No focussing issues there.


    "Gerry" <> wrote in message
    news:bpcr56$2sk$...

    <snip>
    Gavin Cato, Nov 18, 2003
    #3
  4. On Tue, 18 Nov 2003 10:09:42 +0000, Gerry wrote:

    > But now for the very first time in my whole life I have been brought to my
    > knees and reduced to a blubbering state by this absolutely rubbish camera
    > and completely incompetent company.
    >
    > I am now on my 3rd camera. This one like the first 2 is incapable of
    > taking a sharply focussed shot.


    Opinions on the "10D focus issue" vary widely. Here's my 2p worth, but you
    should take with a pinch of salt.

    > I have even sent my lens back to Canon for calibrating at a cost of over
    > £90 and had to buy 2 new lenses at the suggestion of the shop (Jessops)
    > but this hasn't helped one little bit.


    The forums on www.robgalbraith.com are frequented by a Canon technical
    specialist named Chuck Westfall, who has shown willing to help out users
    in the past by providing contact details of clueful people within Canon.
    He's also posted quite a bit of information about the 10D, and it appears
    that at least some people who think they have a focus issue actually
    don't, they're just being confused by Canon's "interesting" design choice
    about the position of the autofocus sensors.

    > She suggested that I should try looking in the manual to get some
    > helpful hints on how to focus a camera. I KNOW HOW TO FOCUS A CAMERA.
    >
    > Now I am coming across a new word that I have never come across before.
    >
    > 'Back Focusing'


    Back focus is where the actual focus plane turns up behind the intended
    target. One reason is seems to happen with the 10D is because the
    autofocus sensor is almost 3 times the size of the box in the viewfinder.

    This image http://www.pbase.com/image/19292475 posted by Chuck Westfall
    shows the true coverage of the 10D autofocus sensors.

    So, if you aim the focus square at a point with what the camera judges
    insufficient contrast, it will happily give you a focus lock, but may well
    have actually focused on an area of the focus sensor that fell outside the
    focus square.

    > Can anyone with more knowledge that Canon technical try and suggest
    > something that could help me to get this camera to take focussed shots
    > before I throw it in the bin and claim off the insurance.


    If there's a genuine calibration problem with the body, Canon should
    re-calibrate it. They will probably want you to send your lenses in as
    well, as it's possible that you may have both a lens that's in spec and a
    body that's in spec, both at the end of the acceptable range, which
    together can't focus properly. Some have suggested that the tolerances for
    the digital sensor are tighter than for film, which leads to more cameras
    being technically in spec, but looking off.

    There are endless threads on this issue at dpreview.com, and there's an
    article on focus testing your 10D at http://www.photo.net/learn/focustest/,
    and another one here http://casualphotos.vze.com/10d. Also, when viewing
    at 10D image at full size (1 image pixel to 1 monitor pixel) on an average
    monitor, you're effectively viewing a print 3 feet wide from a distance of
    maybe 12-18 inches, which is very different from viewing a 4x6 print.

    HTH,

    Mike.
    Mike Brodbelt, Nov 18, 2003
    #4
  5. "Gerry" <> wrote:

    > I'm a really frustrated owner of what I thought was going to be a

    fantastic
    > camera.


    The first thing to do is to not panic.

    > If I shoot say 100 pictures, perhaps 10 of them will be so crisp that they
    > will seem to jump out of the screen and the rest will have to be deleted
    > because they are so far out of focus.


    The second thing to do is this test.

    http://www.photo.net/learn/focustest/

    > Any suggestions would be gratefully received.


    Most people are very happy with the 10D AF. It's said to be a significant
    improvement over the D60, and some people even claim better than the EOS 3.

    David J. Littleboy
    Tokyo, Japan
    David J. Littleboy, Nov 18, 2003
    #5
  6. Gerry

    dylan Guest

    Couldn't agree more, now on my second and very disappointed with AF. I am
    sure the G1 gave better results on a more consistent basis, with half the
    pixels. I know the camera is capable of some excellent results, and I've had
    them sometimes, but it just isn't consistent. Many people will tell you you
    have to learn to use it etc to overcome the naff AF system but why ?. I
    expect a camera with an Auto setting to work in that mode not be told I need
    to compensate in other ways to make it work, especially with something as
    fundamental as focussing the image. I can only assume the people with no
    complaints have an exceptional model of the EOS10D or are expecting
    something different to me.

    I've had Canon cameras since the 1970's with the AE1, T90, EOS1N, EOS3,
    Powershot 600, Pro 70, G1... and they have all been more reliable at
    focussing, within their limits. Even with MF only models you know where you
    stand. With the EOS10D you simply don't know what you are going to get.

    If anyone tells you the results are near comparison to a scanned 35mm
    negative/slide from a EOS3 they are having you on.

    In my view Canon have made a lemon, admittedly a well built lemon. Lets'
    hope they can fix it but I expect that will be with another model.

    I'll probably be shot down in flames, in the usual Newsgroup fashion, but I
    know what a focussed image looks like and I just don't get them even after
    spending a considerable sum on this camera.



    "Gerry" <> wrote in message
    news:bpcr56$2sk$...
    > Hi
    > I'm a really frustrated owner of what I thought was going to be a

    fantastic
    > camera.
    >
    > I have been a professional photographer for over 30 years (now retired) I
    > have even taught the subject in college.
    >
    > The only reason for mentioning all that is to show that I do have a little
    > knowledge of the subject.
    >
    > But now for the very first time in my whole life I have been brought to my
    > knees and reduced to a blubbering state by this absolutely rubbish camera
    > and completely incompetent company.
    >
    > I am now on my 3rd camera. This one like the first 2 is incapable of

    taking
    > a sharply focussed shot.
    >
    > If I shoot say 100 pictures, perhaps 10 of them will be so crisp that they
    > will seem to jump out of the screen and the rest will have to be deleted
    > because they are so far out of focus.
    >
    > I have tried to contact Canon technical here in the UK, but you are

    diverted
    > to a help desk somewhere in Belgium.
    >
    > I have even sent my lens back to Canon for calibrating at a cost of over

    £90
    > and had to buy 2 new lenses at the suggestion of the shop (Jessops) but

    this
    > hasn't helped one little bit.
    >
    > The first time I spoke to a young lady in Canon technical who had never
    > heard of a Canon EOS 10D !!
    >
    > She suggested that I should try looking in the manual to get some helpful
    > hints on how to focus a camera. I KNOW HOW TO FOCUS A CAMERA.
    >
    > Now I am coming across a new word that I have never come across before.
    >
    > 'Back Focusing'
    >
    > What on earth is back focusing and is this something that has been dreamed
    > up to try and confuse people who are having problems with the camera.
    >
    > I've tried auto focusing through each of the cameras settings on a tripod
    > and then again using manual and each shot has been out of focus to a

    greater
    > or lesser degree.
    >
    > Can anyone with more knowledge that Canon technical try and suggest
    > something that could help me to get this camera to take focussed shots
    > before I throw it in the bin and claim off the insurance.
    >
    > Any suggestions would be gratefully received.
    >
    > Gerry
    >
    >
    dylan, Nov 18, 2003
    #6
  7. Gerry

    dylan Guest

    Be aware though that your camera may focus perfectly well on test charts,
    mine does, but can't cope too well with 'real-life' :-(

    "David J. Littleboy" <> wrote in message
    news:bpcv9q$gbh$...
    >
    > "Gerry" <> wrote:
    >
    > > I'm a really frustrated owner of what I thought was going to be a

    > fantastic
    > > camera.

    >
    > The first thing to do is to not panic.
    >
    > > If I shoot say 100 pictures, perhaps 10 of them will be so crisp that

    they
    > > will seem to jump out of the screen and the rest will have to be deleted
    > > because they are so far out of focus.

    >
    > The second thing to do is this test.
    >
    > http://www.photo.net/learn/focustest/
    >
    > > Any suggestions would be gratefully received.

    >
    > Most people are very happy with the 10D AF. It's said to be a significant
    > improvement over the D60, and some people even claim better than the EOS

    3.
    >
    > David J. Littleboy
    > Tokyo, Japan
    >
    >
    >
    dylan, Nov 18, 2003
    #7
  8. Gerry

    George Kerby Guest

    On 11/18/03 4:09 AM, in article bpcr56$2sk$, "Gerry"
    <> wrote:

    > Hi
    > I'm a really frustrated owner of what I thought was going to be a fantastic
    > camera.
    >
    > I have been a professional photographer for over 30 years (now retired) I
    > have even taught the subject in college.
    >
    > The only reason for mentioning all that is to show that I do have a little
    > knowledge of the subject.
    >
    > But now for the very first time in my whole life I have been brought to my
    > knees and reduced to a blubbering state by this absolutely rubbish camera
    > and completely incompetent company.
    >
    > I am now on my 3rd camera. This one like the first 2 is incapable of taking
    > a sharply focussed shot.
    >
    > If I shoot say 100 pictures, perhaps 10 of them will be so crisp that they
    > will seem to jump out of the screen and the rest will have to be deleted
    > because they are so far out of focus.
    >
    > I have tried to contact Canon technical here in the UK, but you are diverted
    > to a help desk somewhere in Belgium.
    >
    > I have even sent my lens back to Canon for calibrating at a cost of over £90
    > and had to buy 2 new lenses at the suggestion of the shop (Jessops) but this
    > hasn't helped one little bit.
    >
    > The first time I spoke to a young lady in Canon technical who had never
    > heard of a Canon EOS 10D !!
    >
    > She suggested that I should try looking in the manual to get some helpful
    > hints on how to focus a camera. I KNOW HOW TO FOCUS A CAMERA.
    >
    > Now I am coming across a new word that I have never come across before.
    >
    > 'Back Focusing'
    >
    > What on earth is back focusing and is this something that has been dreamed
    > up to try and confuse people who are having problems with the camera.
    >
    > I've tried auto focusing through each of the cameras settings on a tripod
    > and then again using manual and each shot has been out of focus to a greater
    > or lesser degree.
    >
    > Can anyone with more knowledge that Canon technical try and suggest
    > something that could help me to get this camera to take focussed shots
    > before I throw it in the bin and claim off the insurance.
    >
    > Any suggestions would be gratefully received.
    >
    > Gerry
    >
    >

    Hi George!


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    George Kerby, Nov 18, 2003
    #8
  9. "George Kerby" <> wrote:
    > "Gerry" <> wrote:
    > > I'm a really frustrated owner of what I thought was going to be a

    fantastic
    > > camera.


    > Hi George!


    That thought crossed my mind too...

    David J. Littleboy
    Tokyo, Japan
    David J. Littleboy, Nov 18, 2003
    #9
  10. I've been doing photography for 37 years (most of them professionally)
    and got a 10D back in May. I think it's wonderful. One thing to try
    is to turn off all the focus points except for the center one (or
    whichever one you want to use). I don't have "L" lenses and it's
    plenty sharp. I'll never go back to film (sorry VH).
    Randall Ainsworth, Nov 18, 2003
    #10
  11. > In my view Canon have made a lemon, admittedly a well built lemon. Lets'
    > hope they can fix it but I expect that will be with another model.
    >
    > I'll probably be shot down in flames, in the usual Newsgroup fashion, but I
    > know what a focussed image looks like and I just don't get them even after
    > spending a considerable sum on this camera.


    Is that you George?
    Randall Ainsworth, Nov 18, 2003
    #11
  12. Gerry

    Jim Townsend Guest

    Randall Ainsworth wrote:

    > I've been doing photography for 37 years (most of them professionally)
    > and got a 10D back in May. I think it's wonderful. One thing to try
    > is to turn off all the focus points except for the center one (or
    > whichever one you want to use). I don't have "L" lenses and it's
    > plenty sharp. I'll never go back to film (sorry VH).


    I'm pleased with my 10D as well..

    Some bad ones did get out.. Fortunately mine wasn't one of them.
    Jim Townsend, Nov 18, 2003
    #12
  13. Gerry

    Patrick L. Guest

    Lastly too, when you
    > say out of focus are you looking at teh image full size on screen? they

    will
    > always be soft



    I dont know about the 10d, but when I upload an image from my Oly E-10,
    it has to be reduced in order to view it on the screen, the images default
    to 21x31 approximately, at 72 dpi. In other words, it fills the screen,
    sharp as a tack, I should think it would not be an issue with the 10D,
    either.


    Patrick
    Patrick L., Nov 18, 2003
    #13
  14. Gerry

    Patrick L. Guest

    "Mike Brodbelt" <m.brodbelt@__NO_SPAM_PLEASE__coruscant.demon.co.uk> wrote
    in message
    news:pan.2003.11.18.11.19.04.944254@__NO_SPAM_PLEASE__coruscant.demon.co.uk.
    ...
    > On Tue, 18 Nov 2003 10:09:42 +0000, Gerry wrote:
    >
    > > But now for the very first time in my whole life I have been brought to

    my
    > > knees and reduced to a blubbering state by this absolutely rubbish

    camera
    > > and completely incompetent company.
    > >
    > > I am now on my 3rd camera. This one like the first 2 is incapable of
    > > taking a sharply focussed shot.

    >
    > Opinions on the "10D focus issue" vary widely. Here's my 2p worth, but you
    > should take with a pinch of salt.
    >
    > > I have even sent my lens back to Canon for calibrating at a cost of over
    > > £90 and had to buy 2 new lenses at the suggestion of the shop (Jessops)
    > > but this hasn't helped one little bit.

    >
    > The forums on www.robgalbraith.com are frequented by a Canon technical
    > specialist named Chuck Westfall, who has shown willing to help out users
    > in the past by providing contact details of clueful people within Canon.
    > He's also posted quite a bit of information about the 10D, and it appears
    > that at least some people who think they have a focus issue actually
    > don't, they're just being confused by Canon's "interesting" design choice
    > about the position of the autofocus sensors.
    >
    > > She suggested that I should try looking in the manual to get some
    > > helpful hints on how to focus a camera. I KNOW HOW TO FOCUS A CAMERA.
    > >
    > > Now I am coming across a new word that I have never come across before.
    > >
    > > 'Back Focusing'

    >
    > Back focus is where the actual focus plane turns up behind the intended
    > target. One reason is seems to happen with the 10D is because the
    > autofocus sensor is almost 3 times the size of the box in the viewfinder.
    >
    > This image http://www.pbase.com/image/19292475 posted by Chuck Westfall
    > shows the true coverage of the 10D autofocus sensors.
    >
    > So, if you aim the focus square at a point with what the camera judges
    > insufficient contrast, it will happily give you a focus lock, but may well
    > have actually focused on an area of the focus sensor that fell outside the
    > focus square.
    >
    > > Can anyone with more knowledge that Canon technical try and suggest
    > > something that could help me to get this camera to take focussed shots
    > > before I throw it in the bin and claim off the insurance.

    >
    > If there's a genuine calibration problem with the body, Canon should
    > re-calibrate it. They will probably want you to send your lenses in as
    > well, as it's possible that you may have both a lens that's in spec and a
    > body that's in spec, both at the end of the acceptable range, which
    > together can't focus properly. Some have suggested that the tolerances for
    > the digital sensor are tighter than for film, which leads to more cameras
    > being technically in spec, but looking off.
    >
    > There are endless threads on this issue at dpreview.com, and there's an
    > article on focus testing your 10D at

    http://www.photo.net/learn/focustest/,
    > and another one here http://casualphotos.vze.com/10d. Also, when viewing
    > at 10D image at full size (1 image pixel to 1 monitor pixel) on an average
    > monitor, you're effectively viewing a print 3 feet wide from a distance of
    > maybe 12-18 inches, which is very different from viewing a 4x6 print.
    >
    > HTH,
    >
    > Mike.



    You know something, all of that stuff is nonsense, when you buy a camera,
    take a picture, unless you have Down's syndrome, or something similar, a
    majority of the shots should be in focus. All of this stuff surrounding
    the 10d isn't happening with other Dslr's, so, Canon, in my most humble of
    opinions, has made a design error with regard to the 10D.

    Patrick
    Patrick L., Nov 18, 2003
    #14
  15. Gerry

    Patrick L. Guest

    Let's face it, the Canon 10D has a design flaw. Back to the drawing board
    with that camera.


    Patrick



    "dylan" <> wrote in message
    news:srnub.7499$...
    > Couldn't agree more, now on my second and very disappointed with AF. I am
    > sure the G1 gave better results on a more consistent basis, with half the
    > pixels. I know the camera is capable of some excellent results, and I've

    had
    > them sometimes, but it just isn't consistent. Many people will tell you

    you
    > have to learn to use it etc to overcome the naff AF system but why ?. I
    > expect a camera with an Auto setting to work in that mode not be told I

    need
    > to compensate in other ways to make it work, especially with something as
    > fundamental as focussing the image. I can only assume the people with no
    > complaints have an exceptional model of the EOS10D or are expecting
    > something different to me.
    >
    > I've had Canon cameras since the 1970's with the AE1, T90, EOS1N, EOS3,
    > Powershot 600, Pro 70, G1... and they have all been more reliable at
    > focussing, within their limits. Even with MF only models you know where

    you
    > stand. With the EOS10D you simply don't know what you are going to get.
    >
    > If anyone tells you the results are near comparison to a scanned 35mm
    > negative/slide from a EOS3 they are having you on.
    >
    > In my view Canon have made a lemon, admittedly a well built lemon. Lets'
    > hope they can fix it but I expect that will be with another model.
    >
    > I'll probably be shot down in flames, in the usual Newsgroup fashion, but

    I
    > know what a focussed image looks like and I just don't get them even after
    > spending a considerable sum on this camera.
    >
    >
    >
    > "Gerry" <> wrote in message
    > news:bpcr56$2sk$...
    > > Hi
    > > I'm a really frustrated owner of what I thought was going to be a

    > fantastic
    > > camera.
    > >
    > > I have been a professional photographer for over 30 years (now retired)

    I
    > > have even taught the subject in college.
    > >
    > > The only reason for mentioning all that is to show that I do have a

    little
    > > knowledge of the subject.
    > >
    > > But now for the very first time in my whole life I have been brought to

    my
    > > knees and reduced to a blubbering state by this absolutely rubbish

    camera
    > > and completely incompetent company.
    > >
    > > I am now on my 3rd camera. This one like the first 2 is incapable of

    > taking
    > > a sharply focussed shot.
    > >
    > > If I shoot say 100 pictures, perhaps 10 of them will be so crisp that

    they
    > > will seem to jump out of the screen and the rest will have to be deleted
    > > because they are so far out of focus.
    > >
    > > I have tried to contact Canon technical here in the UK, but you are

    > diverted
    > > to a help desk somewhere in Belgium.
    > >
    > > I have even sent my lens back to Canon for calibrating at a cost of over

    > £90
    > > and had to buy 2 new lenses at the suggestion of the shop (Jessops) but

    > this
    > > hasn't helped one little bit.
    > >
    > > The first time I spoke to a young lady in Canon technical who had never
    > > heard of a Canon EOS 10D !!
    > >
    > > She suggested that I should try looking in the manual to get some

    helpful
    > > hints on how to focus a camera. I KNOW HOW TO FOCUS A CAMERA.
    > >
    > > Now I am coming across a new word that I have never come across before.
    > >
    > > 'Back Focusing'
    > >
    > > What on earth is back focusing and is this something that has been

    dreamed
    > > up to try and confuse people who are having problems with the camera.
    > >
    > > I've tried auto focusing through each of the cameras settings on a

    tripod
    > > and then again using manual and each shot has been out of focus to a

    > greater
    > > or lesser degree.
    > >
    > > Can anyone with more knowledge that Canon technical try and suggest
    > > something that could help me to get this camera to take focussed shots
    > > before I throw it in the bin and claim off the insurance.
    > >
    > > Any suggestions would be gratefully received.
    > >
    > > Gerry
    > >
    > >

    >
    >
    Patrick L., Nov 18, 2003
    #15
  16. Gerry

    Hans Kruse Guest

    I just did some autofocus tests and the results are shown here
    http://www.pbase.com/hkruse/af_tests and I think the results are quite
    satisfactory and in line with my experience of taking real pictures with
    this camera and the two lenses I've got (Canon 28-135mm USM IS and Sigma
    15-30mm EX DG). Both are in my view exellent lenses and with good sharpness.
    Now I'm not a professional, so I may be less critical to the results than a
    real professional would be. It's also only the fourth SLR and the first
    DSLR. It's the fourth digital camera and it has a great advantage over the
    others I have (Minolta from 98 (discarded as useless) and Canon S10 and G2
    which are still in use and great cameras).
    So if you like to see the results of my shooting so far with the 10D and
    judge for yourself the aotufocus performance then please look here
    http://www.pbase.com/hkruse and look for the albums with 10D in the name.
    What I have experienced is, of course, out of focus pictures, but I have
    noticed that has been related to using all focussing points and not being
    fully aware of which ones were lignting when I took the picture. So I either
    now always look at that and if it fast moving things like people then I try
    to use the very wide angle Sigma at 15mm (24mm on 10D) and have enough DOF.
    Otherwise use only the middle AF point and make sure I point the middle to
    what I want in focus. I have not seen the camera our of focus when I was
    carefull about taking the pictures, but of course have got blurred images or
    not enough DOF sometimes, but that's another matter.
    All in all and using the Capture One DSLR LE Raw conversion software from
    Phase One this is a really great camera worth every euro!
    Hope this is helpfull.
    Hans

    "Gerry" <> wrote in message
    news:bpcr56$2sk$...
    > Hi
    > I'm a really frustrated owner of what I thought was going to be a

    fantastic
    > camera.
    >
    > I have been a professional photographer for over 30 years (now retired) I
    > have even taught the subject in college.
    >
    > The only reason for mentioning all that is to show that I do have a little
    > knowledge of the subject.
    >
    > But now for the very first time in my whole life I have been brought to my
    > knees and reduced to a blubbering state by this absolutely rubbish camera
    > and completely incompetent company.
    >
    > I am now on my 3rd camera. This one like the first 2 is incapable of

    taking
    > a sharply focussed shot.
    >
    > If I shoot say 100 pictures, perhaps 10 of them will be so crisp that they
    > will seem to jump out of the screen and the rest will have to be deleted
    > because they are so far out of focus.
    >
    > I have tried to contact Canon technical here in the UK, but you are

    diverted
    > to a help desk somewhere in Belgium.
    >
    > I have even sent my lens back to Canon for calibrating at a cost of over

    £90
    > and had to buy 2 new lenses at the suggestion of the shop (Jessops) but

    this
    > hasn't helped one little bit.
    >
    > The first time I spoke to a young lady in Canon technical who had never
    > heard of a Canon EOS 10D !!
    >
    > She suggested that I should try looking in the manual to get some helpful
    > hints on how to focus a camera. I KNOW HOW TO FOCUS A CAMERA.
    >
    > Now I am coming across a new word that I have never come across before.
    >
    > 'Back Focusing'
    >
    > What on earth is back focusing and is this something that has been dreamed
    > up to try and confuse people who are having problems with the camera.
    >
    > I've tried auto focusing through each of the cameras settings on a tripod
    > and then again using manual and each shot has been out of focus to a

    greater
    > or lesser degree.
    >
    > Can anyone with more knowledge that Canon technical try and suggest
    > something that could help me to get this camera to take focussed shots
    > before I throw it in the bin and claim off the insurance.
    >
    > Any suggestions would be gratefully received.
    >
    > Gerry
    >
    >
    Hans Kruse, Nov 18, 2003
    #16
  17. Gerry

    RustY© Guest

    "Gerry" <> wrote in message
    news:bpcr56$2sk$...
    > I've tried auto focusing through each of the cameras settings on a tripod
    > and then again using manual and each shot has been out of focus to a

    greater
    > or lesser degree.



    If manual focusing gives bad results - your camera is faulty. Return it to
    the shop that sold it to you and get it repaired. This will be done swiftly
    by canon and if Jessup's is the shop that you bought it from,they will in my
    experience lend you a replacement whilst it is away. My 10D gives excellent
    results - no problems with the autofocus, well none that are not there on
    the rest of the canon line-up.
    --
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    RustY©, Nov 18, 2003
    #17
  18. Gerry

    Jim Townsend Guest

    Patrick L. wrote:

    > Lastly too, when you
    >> say out of focus are you looking at teh image full size on screen? they

    > will
    >> always be soft

    >
    >
    > I dont know about the 10d, but when I upload an image from my Oly E-10,
    > it has to be reduced in order to view it on the screen, the images default
    > to 21x31 approximately, at 72 dpi. In other words, it fills the screen,


    You are aware that zoomed to 100%, your image will be exactly the same size on
    your monitor whether it's 72 dpi or 720 dpi. DPI and inches mean nothing to a
    monitor..

    Try it and see :)

    > sharp as a tack, I should think it would not be an issue with the 10D,
    > either.


    One more thing.. The 10D does little in-camera sharpening.. As a result, the
    final images appear soft when compared to the output of the average digicam.
    My 10D images usually need a bump in sharpness and contrast.

    I've heard they upped the default sharpening in the Digital Rebel to cut down
    on complaints they had with the 10D.

    Also.. A cheapie lens may not equal some of the excellent lenses available on
    consumer digicams.. This can cause a user to wonder why his Samyang 10-1000mm
    zoom lens and 10D doesn't produce images as good as the old G3... The camera
    often gets blamed in this case. (Yes there is a Samyang lens.. very cheap :)
    Jim Townsend, Nov 18, 2003
    #18
  19. > Let's face it, the Canon 10D has a design flaw. Back to the drawing board
    > with that camera.


    Sure thing, Mr. Preddy.
    Randall Ainsworth, Nov 19, 2003
    #19
  20. Gerry

    Rafe B. Guest

    On Tue, 18 Nov 2003 10:09:42 +0000 (UTC), "Gerry"
    <> wrote:

    >Hi
    >I'm a really frustrated owner of what I thought was going to be a fantastic
    >camera.
    >
    >I have been a professional photographer for over 30 years (now retired) I
    >have even taught the subject in college.



    Not sure how to advise you. You say you have
    three bad 10Ds. Could be, but I'd be really
    surprised if that were so.

    AF works just fine on my 10D.

    Apparently it works fine for lots of other folks
    as well. The 10D has been an extraordinarily
    successful camera.

    One suggestion is to select single-point AF,
    as others have suggested. Your manual
    explains how to do that.

    Personally, I find that AF works better for me
    than attempting to manually focus the camera.
    The lack of a split-screen or microprism grid
    makes manual focus a bit iffy.

    You didn't say what lens you're using.
    Could that be a contributing factor?
    Have you tried eliminating that possibility?

    I've never heard of back-focusing, by the way.


    rafe b.
    http://www.terrapinphoto.com
    Rafe B., Nov 19, 2003
    #20
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