Can *It* Be Caught?

Discussion in 'NZ Computing' started by Dave - Dave.net.nz, Dec 6, 2004.

  1. Cath wrote:
    > Is there any reason why xtra is unable to catch the person or persons
    > responsible?


    no, other than they probably don't want to.
    excess traffic means excess usage charges, so more money to mummy
    company Telecom.
    Dave - Dave.net.nz, Dec 6, 2004
    #1
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  2. Dave - Dave.net.nz

    Mark S Guest

    Most NZ ISPs have a crappy approach to this sort of thing.

    I've had issues with both Xtra and Telstra users trying to hack my system at
    home or launching bot attacks. Both times neither were really interested.
    Until such time as the ISPs are financially responsible they don't seem to
    give a damn.

    If we ever get Spam laws it may change.

    "Cath" <> wrote in message
    news:p...
    > For many months off and on, I have been receiving 'emails' that are
    > originating from a jetstream/xtra account.
    >
    > Last night I sent a bunch to xtra once again.
    > I have noted that they are all 'returned' from sources that confirm
    > they have no such email addy and all are pretty much the same body
    > text.
    >
    > Is there any reason why xtra is unable to catch the person or persons
    > responsible?
    >
    > Following is an example:
    >
    > TIA, Cath
    > btw I've fudge my email address here..
    >
    >
    > From:
    > To:
    > Cc:
    > Subject: invalid mail <SMTP:7474>
    > Date: Sat, 04 Dec 2004 08:17:49 UTC
    > Return-Path: <>
    > Delivered-To: texan:
    > Received: (qmail 28759 invoked by uid 0); 4 Dec 2004 08:39:00 -0000
    > X-Ob-Received: from unknown (192.168.9.72)by mta1-8.us4.outblaze.com;
    > 4 Dec 2004 08:39:00 -0000
    > Received: from bouray.com (222-152-153-30.jetstream.xtra.co.nz
    > [222.152.153.30])by spf10.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with SMTP id
    > 3058F53576for <..ua.com>; Sat, 4 Dec 2004 08:38:57 +0000
    > (GMT)
    > Importance: Normal
    > X-Priority: 3 (Normal)
    > X-Msmail-Priority: Normal
    > Message-Id: <>
    > Mime-Version: 1.0
    > Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=====e5307d8bce0f15f.fda1"
    > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
    > --------------------------------------------------------------------------

    ------
    > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
    > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
    >
    > This mail was generated automatically.
    > More info about --MINDSPRING-- under: http://www.mindspring.com
    > -------
    > Occured_Errors:
    >
    > 222.124.85.93_failed_after_I_sent_the_message.
    > # 108: This_account_has_been_discontinued_[#208].
    > # 481: Remote_host_said:_delivery_error
    > # 450: mailbox_unavailable
    > # 128: Giving_up_on_222.124.85.93.
    > # 135: MAILBOX NOT FOUND
    >
    > End
    > -------
    > The original mail is attached.
    >
    > Auto_Mail.System: [mindspring]
    >
    > --------------------------------------------------------------------------

    ------
    > Content-Type: application/octet-stream;
    > name=auto__mail.mindspring.8518.zip
    > Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64
    > Content-Disposition: attachment;
    > filename=auto__mail.mindspring.8518.zip
    >
    > =auto__mail.mindspring.8518.zip
    >
    >
    >
    Mark S, Dec 6, 2004
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  3. Dave - Dave.net.nz

    Cath Guest

    For many months off and on, I have been receiving 'emails' that are
    originating from a jetstream/xtra account.

    Last night I sent a bunch to xtra once again.
    I have noted that they are all 'returned' from sources that confirm
    they have no such email addy and all are pretty much the same body
    text.

    Is there any reason why xtra is unable to catch the person or persons
    responsible?

    Following is an example:

    TIA, Cath
    btw I've fudge my email address here..


    From:
    To:
    Cc:
    Subject: invalid mail <SMTP:7474>
    Date: Sat, 04 Dec 2004 08:17:49 UTC
    Return-Path: <>
    Delivered-To: texan:
    Received: (qmail 28759 invoked by uid 0); 4 Dec 2004 08:39:00 -0000
    X-Ob-Received: from unknown (192.168.9.72)by mta1-8.us4.outblaze.com;
    4 Dec 2004 08:39:00 -0000
    Received: from bouray.com (222-152-153-30.jetstream.xtra.co.nz
    [222.152.153.30])by spf10.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with SMTP id
    3058F53576for <..ua.com>; Sat, 4 Dec 2004 08:38:57 +0000
    (GMT)
    Importance: Normal
    X-Priority: 3 (Normal)
    X-Msmail-Priority: Normal
    Message-Id: <>
    Mime-Version: 1.0
    Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=====e5307d8bce0f15f.fda1"
    Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
    Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

    This mail was generated automatically.
    More info about --MINDSPRING-- under: http://www.mindspring.com
    -------
    Occured_Errors:

    222.124.85.93_failed_after_I_sent_the_message.
    # 108: This_account_has_been_discontinued_[#208].
    # 481: Remote_host_said:_delivery_error
    # 450: mailbox_unavailable
    # 128: Giving_up_on_222.124.85.93.
    # 135: MAILBOX NOT FOUND

    End
    -------
    The original mail is attached.

    Auto_Mail.System: [mindspring]

    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Content-Type: application/octet-stream;
    name=auto__mail.mindspring.8518.zip
    Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64
    Content-Disposition: attachment;
    filename=auto__mail.mindspring.8518.zip

    =auto__mail.mindspring.8518.zip
    Cath, Dec 6, 2004
    #3
  4. Dave - Dave.net.nz

    Cath Guest

    On Mon, 06 Dec 2004 17:05:19 +1300, "Dave - Dave.net.nz"
    <> wrote:

    >Cath wrote:
    >> Is there any reason why xtra is unable to catch the person or persons
    >> responsible?

    >
    >no, other than they probably don't want to.
    >excess traffic means excess usage charges, so more money to mummy
    >company Telecom.



    When I ran the first couple thru SpamCop to confirm the headers, they
    came up with a couple of so I've been forwarding
    them to these two addresses plus abuse@


    Now, if I sent them via SpamCop, would it make any difference to if
    xtra paid any attention or not?


    Cath
    Cath, Dec 6, 2004
    #4
  5. Dave - Dave.net.nz

    Steve Guest

    Mark S wrote:
    > Most NZ ISPs have a crappy approach to this sort of thing.
    >
    > I've had issues with both Xtra and Telstra users trying to hack my system at
    > home or launching bot attacks. Both times neither were really interested.
    > Until such time as the ISPs are financially responsible they don't seem to
    > give a damn.
    >
    > If we ever get Spam laws it may change.
    >
    > "Cath" <> wrote in message
    > news:p...
    >
    >>For many months off and on, I have been receiving 'emails' that are
    >>originating from a jetstream/xtra account.
    >>
    >>Last night I sent a bunch to xtra once again.
    >>I have noted that they are all 'returned' from sources that confirm
    >>they have no such email addy and all are pretty much the same body
    >>text.
    >>
    >>Is there any reason why xtra is unable to catch the person or persons
    >>responsible?
    >>
    >>Following is an example:
    >>
    >>TIA, Cath
    >>btw I've fudge my email address here..
    >>
    >>
    >>From:
    >> To:
    >>Cc:
    >>Subject: invalid mail <SMTP:7474>
    >>Date: Sat, 04 Dec 2004 08:17:49 UTC
    >>Return-Path: <>
    >>Delivered-To: texan:
    >>Received: (qmail 28759 invoked by uid 0); 4 Dec 2004 08:39:00 -0000
    >>X-Ob-Received: from unknown (192.168.9.72)by mta1-8.us4.outblaze.com;
    >>4 Dec 2004 08:39:00 -0000
    >>Received: from bouray.com (222-152-153-30.jetstream.xtra.co.nz
    >>[222.152.153.30])by spf10.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with SMTP id
    >>3058F53576for <..ua.com>; Sat, 4 Dec 2004 08:38:57 +0000
    >>(GMT)
    >>Importance: Normal
    >>X-Priority: 3 (Normal)
    >>X-Msmail-Priority: Normal
    >>Message-Id: <>
    >>Mime-Version: 1.0
    >>Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=====e5307d8bce0f15f.fda1"
    >>Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
    >>--------------------------------------------------------------------------

    >
    > ------
    >
    >>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
    >>Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
    >>
    >>This mail was generated automatically.
    >>More info about --MINDSPRING-- under: http://www.mindspring.com
    >>-------
    >>Occured_Errors:
    >>
    >>222.124.85.93_failed_after_I_sent_the_message.
    >># 108: This_account_has_been_discontinued_[#208].
    >># 481: Remote_host_said:_delivery_error
    >># 450: mailbox_unavailable
    >># 128: Giving_up_on_222.124.85.93.
    >># 135: MAILBOX NOT FOUND
    >>
    >>End
    >>-------
    >>The original mail is attached.
    >>
    >>Auto_Mail.System: [mindspring]
    >>
    >>--------------------------------------------------------------------------

    >
    > ------
    >
    >>Content-Type: application/octet-stream;
    >>name=auto__mail.mindspring.8518.zip
    >>Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64
    >>Content-Disposition: attachment;
    >>filename=auto__mail.mindspring.8518.zip
    >>
    >>=auto__mail.mindspring.8518.zip
    >>
    >>
    >>

    >
    >
    >

    You do all realise that there headers are just a part of a text file,
    can be whatever you want them to be, and play no part in the delivery of
    the mail in the first place?

    All you can do is report them to your isp, giving the exact date and
    time they were delivered, and they can look through their mail logs to
    see who sent them. Maybe.

    Steve.
    Steve, Dec 6, 2004
    #5
  6. Dave - Dave.net.nz

    steve Guest

    Cath wrote:

    > For many months off and on, I have been receiving 'emails' that are
    > originating from a jetstream/xtra account.
    >
    > Last night I sent a bunch to xtra once again.
    > I have noted that they are all 'returned' from sources that confirm
    > they have no such email addy and all are pretty much the same body
    > text.
    >
    > Is there any reason why xtra is unable to catch the person or persons
    > responsible?
    >
    > Following is an example:


    Those headers can be spoofed......so there is no guarantee that is where the
    mail really came from.

    When you send to it, you are getting a response saying the account has been
    discontinued....and it may well have been.
    steve, Dec 6, 2004
    #6
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