Cameras at Reagan Funeral

Discussion in 'Digital Photography' started by street shooter, Jun 10, 2004.

  1. I grieve with my fellow Americans at the loss of a wonderful man and a
    great President. I pray the God will grant mercy and comfort to those
    who mourn President Reagan.

    During the televised coverage of the State Funeral at the U S Capitol
    Building I was impressed by the silence of the military honor guard
    drill teams. I was put off by the constant repetition of shutter
    clicks. Just how many photographers are needed to visually document
    President Reagan's flag-draped casket? I thought the paparazzi
    treatment at an event of such solemnity was grossly inappropriate.
    Why could there not be just one or two photographers selected from a
    pool of names to cover the proceedings, then release the images to all
    of the various media outlets for publication? I am a stalwart
    activist for photographers' rights, but in this particular scenario I
    believe discretion to be the higher part of valor. And for Heaven's
    sake, if there were ever a time to use the ultra quiet Leica M-series
    camera a Presidential funeral (or any photographed funeral for that
    matter) would most surely qualify.

    Michael
     
    street shooter, Jun 10, 2004
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  2. street shooter

    Mike Elek Guest

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  3. street shooter

    Rick Guest

    "street shooter" <> wrote in message news:...
    > I grieve with my fellow Americans at the loss of a wonderful man and a
    > great President. I pray the God will grant mercy and comfort to those
    > who mourn President Reagan.


    Reagan subverted the U.S. Constitution, made a literal career
    out of bashing poor people, threw our grandkids into debt and
    slept through most of his cabinet meetings.

    Yeah, a true national hero alright. Hell welcomes back home
    one of its few permanent members: Ronald Wilson Reagan
    (aka 666).

    Rick
     
    Rick, Jun 10, 2004
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  4. street shooter

    Bill Turner Guest

    On 10 Jun 2004 00:18:00 -0700, (street
    shooter) wrote:

    >I thought the paparazzi
    >treatment at an event of such solemnity was grossly inappropriate.


    _________________________________________________________

    I thought just the opposite. I watched the whole thing, about 3.5 hours
    worth, and only noticed one photographer, and that only briefly.

    People see what they want to see, don't they?

    --
    BT
     
    Bill Turner, Jun 10, 2004
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  5. street shooter

    Bill Turner Guest

    On Thu, 10 Jun 2004 01:48:48 -0700, "Rick" <> wrote:

    >Reagan subverted the U.S. Constitution, made a literal career
    >out of bashing poor people, threw our grandkids into debt and
    >slept through most of his cabinet meetings.


    _________________________________________________________

    A hundred years from now those things will all be forgotten, but the
    demise of the Soviet Union will still be talked about. Some people can
    see what's important and some can't.

    --
    BT
     
    Bill Turner, Jun 10, 2004
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  6. street shooter

    Rick Guest

    "Bill Turner" <> wrote in message news:...
    > On Thu, 10 Jun 2004 01:48:48 -0700, "Rick" <> wrote:
    >
    > >Reagan subverted the U.S. Constitution, made a literal career
    > >out of bashing poor people, threw our grandkids into debt and
    > >slept through most of his cabinet meetings.

    >
    > _________________________________________________________
    >
    > A hundred years from now those things will all be forgotten, but the
    > demise of the Soviet Union will still be talked about. Some people can
    > see what's important and some can't.


    The notion that Reagan had anything to do with the demise of
    the USSR is a uniquely American delusion. The fact is, the
    Soviets were only too happy to see Reagan flush 3.5 trillion
    American tax dollars down the toilet.

    All Reagan did was grandstand, and take credit for something
    he clearly had absolutely nothing to do with. The system of
    distribution in the USSR had collapsed long before Reagan's
    spending binge, and if you're wondering how Mikhail Gorbachev
    wound up doing Pizza Hut commercials, I could explain it to you,
    but I doubt your pea brain could handle it.

    Rick
     
    Rick, Jun 10, 2004
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  7. I felt very sad while I watched President Reagans body being taken to the
    Capitol. He was one of our greatest Presidents. I did not get to watch much
    of the offering on TV, I had 2 Brides come over last evening to view my
    work.
    I do have to say about the Photographers,...... being a celebrity and actor
    it would be proper to have the mirror slap in the backgroung going on for
    his funeral.


    --
    David Holliday
    HollidayPhoto
    www.HollidayPhoto.com



    "Bill Turner" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > On 10 Jun 2004 00:18:00 -0700, (street
    > shooter) wrote:
    >
    > >I thought the paparazzi
    > >treatment at an event of such solemnity was grossly inappropriate.

    >
    > _________________________________________________________
    >
    > I thought just the opposite. I watched the whole thing, about 3.5 hours
    > worth, and only noticed one photographer, and that only briefly.
    >
    > People see what they want to see, don't they?
    >
    > --
    > BT
     
    DigiFilm.info, Jun 10, 2004
    #7
  8. street shooter

    BG250 Guest

    > All Reagan did was grandstand, and take credit for something
    > he clearly had absolutely nothing to do with.


    LOL They all do that! When things aren't going great, they take the heat as
    well. Regan wasn't perfect, but he was one of the better presidents.
    bg
     
    BG250, Jun 10, 2004
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  9. street shooter

    Ron G Guest

    My understanding is that cameras and many, many other personal items,
    including food, were prohibited from the parade route for 'security'
    reasons.

    As for Reagan himself, I would suggest that before he is deified we
    remember that his second term was one of the most corrupt in American
    history, he souped up an invasion of Grenada to show his macho side
    cheaply, he made many blatently racist comments (eg. his famous Stone
    Mountain speech) to solidify his white Southern Republican base, and as
    governor of California he orchestrated the first air attack on an
    American population (a gas attack at UC Berkeley on a day when there
    were no demonstrations going on -- I know because I was there and
    photographed the entire event).

    On the more positive side he did manage to confront the USSR 'evil
    empire' and, unlike the guy who is currently trying to wrap himself in
    the Reagan mantle, worked his policy through, at times in tandem with
    Gorby, without invasions, occupations, prison tortures and the nurturing
    of thousands of terrorists. For that much we should be thankful, though
    the historical record will show that the USSR was collapsing and Reagan
    actually rode the crest of the wave for the most part.

    Oh, and when you think of the huge crowds that have gathered in DC
    lately, the one lining the parade route yesterday was pretty small.

    street shooter wrote:

    > I grieve with my fellow Americans at the loss of a wonderful man and a
    > great President. I pray the God will grant mercy and comfort to those
    > who mourn President Reagan.
    >
    > During the televised coverage of the State Funeral at the U S Capitol
    > Building I was impressed by the silence of the military honor guard
    > drill teams. I was put off by the constant repetition of shutter
    > clicks. Just how many photographers are needed to visually document
    > President Reagan's flag-draped casket? I thought the paparazzi
    > treatment at an event of such solemnity was grossly inappropriate.
    > Why could there not be just one or two photographers selected from a
    > pool of names to cover the proceedings, then release the images to all
    > of the various media outlets for publication? I am a stalwart
    > activist for photographers' rights, but in this particular scenario I
    > believe discretion to be the higher part of valor. And for Heaven's
    > sake, if there were ever a time to use the ultra quiet Leica M-series
    > camera a Presidential funeral (or any photographed funeral for that
    > matter) would most surely qualify.
    >
    > Michael
     
    Ron G, Jun 10, 2004
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  10. street shooter

    Bill Turner Guest

    On Thu, 10 Jun 2004 02:29:05 -0700, "Rick" <> wrote:

    >All Reagan did was grandstand, and take credit for something
    >he clearly had absolutely nothing to do with.


    _________________________________________________________

    Complete nonsense. Reagan forced the Soviets to realize two things:

    1. The US could afford any degree of arms race they wanted while the
    Soviets could not.

    2. When Americans make up their minds to do something, they are
    absolutely relentless.

    The Soviets are no dummies; they saw the handwriting on the wall.

    I grant you Reagan was not perfect. I especially deplore the tripling
    of the national debt during his term, but in light of the outcome it may
    be the greatest bargain America ever got. Opinions differ, you are
    welcome to yours.

    --
    BT
     
    Bill Turner, Jun 10, 2004
    #10
  11. street shooter

    John Tucker Guest

    Rick wrote:
    > "street shooter" <> wrote in message
    > news:...
    >> I grieve with my fellow Americans at the loss of a wonderful man and
    >> a great President. I pray the God will grant mercy and comfort to
    >> those who mourn President Reagan.

    >
    > Hell welcomes back home
    > one of its few permanent members: Ronald Wilson Reagan
    > (aka 666).
    >
    > Rick


    It is not your place to make that judgement.

    John
    Texas, USA
     
    John Tucker, Jun 10, 2004
    #11
  12. street shooter

    John Tucker Guest

    Bill Turner wrote:
    > On Thu, 10 Jun 2004 01:48:48 -0700, "Rick" <> wrote:
    >
    >> Reagan subverted the U.S. Constitution, made a literal career
    >> out of bashing poor people, threw our grandkids into debt and
    >> slept through most of his cabinet meetings.

    >
    > _________________________________________________________
    >
    > A hundred years from now those things will all be forgotten, but the
    > demise of the Soviet Union will still be talked about. Some people
    > can see what's important and some can't.


    Very well said!

    John
    Texas, USA
     
    John Tucker, Jun 10, 2004
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  13. street shooter

    Mike Guest

    "Rick" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > "> All Reagan did was grandstand, and take credit for something
    > he clearly had absolutely nothing to do with. The system of
    > distribution in the USSR had collapsed long before Reagan's
    > spending binge, and if you're wondering how Mikhail Gorbachev
    > wound up doing Pizza Hut commercials, I could explain it to you,
    > but I doubt your pea brain could handle it.
    >
    > Rick
    >

    Give it your best shot rick. Are you TP's twin?.
     
    Mike, Jun 10, 2004
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  14. street shooter

    CeeBee Guest

    "John Tucker" <> wrote in rec.photo.digital:


    > It is not your place to make that judgement.


    Yet you have no problem to make _your_ judgement here. Why is it your
    place to make your judgement and not his place to make his judgement?


    --
    CeeBee


    EMH Mark I: "Stop breathing down my neck."
    EMH Mark II: "My breath is merely a simulation."
    EMH Mark I: "So is my neck. Stop it anyway."
     
    CeeBee, Jun 10, 2004
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  15. street shooter

    kpfeif Guest

    "Rick" <> wrote in message news:<>...
    > "street shooter" <> wrote in message news:...
    > > I grieve with my fellow Americans at the loss of a wonderful man and a
    > > great President. I pray the God will grant mercy and comfort to those
    > > who mourn President Reagan.

    >
    > Reagan subverted the U.S. Constitution,


    Proof?

    made a literal career
    > out of bashing poor people


    Whereas liberals' power is derrived through enslaving those poor
    people.

    > threw our grandkids into debt


    Wrong again.

    > slept through most of his cabinet meetings.


    A lie. Shocking, considering the source.

    >
    > Yeah, a true national hero alright. Hell welcomes back home
    > one of its few permanent members: Ronald Wilson Reagan
    > (aka 666).


    He restored pride in America, reduced our taxes, dealt the final blow
    to the Soviet in the cold war, and got rid of policies that created
    fantastic new ideas - like the misery index, for instance.

    He also showed people that government, indeed, is NOT the solution.
    You tell me what was different about JFK's "ask not what your country
    can do for you" speech and Reagan's inaguration speech. The message
    was the same.

    >
    > Rick


    So, little Rick, how does it feel to be vapid, so dereft of ideas,
    that you need to write hate-filled messages here? How did it feel,
    Rick, when Ronald Reagan scored the biggest landslide victory of all
    time? Surely the country MUST have been crazy, right? Or is it that
    you and your paralytic views of economics, defense, and human rights
    were not in agreement? To argue this would mean you'd need to argue
    ideas, Rick, and we've seen what you're capable of. Let me guess -
    you're a big fan of Castro, North Korea, and other great socialist
    experiments. Indeed, the fall of the Soviet Union must have been a
    crushing blow, especially since Reagan brought it on, Rick. Or, Rick,
    perhaps your vision of the United States is "nice" socialism, like
    Sweden. There you have it, Rick - Volvos, blondes, and suicide.

    So, as THE MOST POPULAR PRESIDENT OF THE LAST 30 YEARS is put to rest,
    Rick and his Chomsky-ites are left wallowing in self-pity, wondering
    why most people loved him so much, and how only four years of Carter
    ineptitude opened the door to a new America - one the a president
    actually showed leadership, conviction, and pride in his country.

    How many people will be at your funeral, Rick?
     
    kpfeif, Jun 10, 2004
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  16. street shooter

    John Tucker Guest

    CeeBee wrote:
    > "John Tucker" <> wrote in rec.photo.digital:
    >
    >
    >> It is not your place to make that judgement.

    >
    > Yet you have no problem to make _your_ judgement here. Why is it your
    > place to make your judgement and not his place to make his judgement?


    Rick is making a judgement about Regan's eternal destiny. I am not making a
    judgement. I am stating a fact. There is only One who has the prerogative to
    pronounce eternal judgement, and He shares that prerogative with no one.

    John
     
    John Tucker, Jun 10, 2004
    #16
  17. street shooter

    Alan Browne Guest

    street shooter wrote:

    > I grieve with my fellow Americans at the loss of a wonderful man and a
    > great President. I pray the God will grant mercy and comfort to those
    > who mourn President Reagan.
    >
    > During the televised coverage of the State Funeral at the U S Capitol
    > Building I was impressed by the silence of the military honor guard
    > drill teams. I was put off by the constant repetition of shutter
    > clicks. Just how many photographers are needed to visually document
    > President Reagan's flag-draped casket? I thought the paparazzi
    > treatment at an event of such solemnity was grossly inappropriate.
    > Why could there not be just one or two photographers selected from a
    > pool of names to cover the proceedings, then release the images to all
    > of the various media outlets for publication? I am a stalwart
    > activist for photographers' rights, but in this particular scenario I
    > believe discretion to be the higher part of valor. And for Heaven's
    > sake, if there were ever a time to use the ultra quiet Leica M-series
    > camera a Presidential funeral (or any photographed funeral for that
    > matter) would most surely qualify.



    As I recall, one photographer at the White House used only
    Leica's for the reason that they are near silent.

    The RR funeral proceedings are History (cap "H") and 'it' will be
    documented in great detail. This may seem undignified, but many
    people will look at these images over the next hundreds of years
    and fully appreciate that the images were made.

    Look at the photos on the Washington Post site of the current
    goings on. Many poignant and dignified photos.

    Cheers,
    Alan





    --
    --e-meil: there's no such thing as a FreeLunch.--
     
    Alan Browne, Jun 10, 2004
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  18. street shooter

    John Tucker Guest

    John Tucker wrote:
    > CeeBee wrote:
    >> "John Tucker" <> wrote in rec.photo.digital:
    >>
    >>
    >>> It is not your place to make that judgement.

    >>
    >> Yet you have no problem to make _your_ judgement here. Why is it your
    >> place to make your judgement and not his place to make his judgement?

    >
    > Rick is making a judgement about Regan's eternal destiny. I am not
    > making a judgement. I am stating a fact. There is only One who has
    > the prerogative to pronounce eternal judgement, and He shares that
    > prerogative with no one.
    >
    > John


    Typo: s/b "Reagan's"

    John
     
    John Tucker, Jun 10, 2004
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  19. street shooter

    Patrick L. Guest

    "Bill Turner" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > On Thu, 10 Jun 2004 01:48:48 -0700, "Rick" <> wrote:
    >
    > >Reagan subverted the U.S. Constitution, made a literal career
    > >out of bashing poor people, threw our grandkids into debt and
    > >slept through most of his cabinet meetings.

    >
    > _________________________________________________________
    >
    > A hundred years from now those things will all be forgotten, but the
    > demise of the Soviet Union will still be talked about. Some people can
    > see what's important and some can't.
    >
    > --
    > BT




    What people will be saying a hundred years from now is not important today,
    since there is no way in hell you, or anyone, can know that.


    What is important is what is being said today, and it is all up for debate.


    Patrick
     
    Patrick L., Jun 10, 2004
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  20. street shooter

    gmr2048 Guest

    Actually, I think the parade route was wide open to anything. I saw
    tons of cameras (tourist-types, not pros) when they were transferring
    the casket from the hearse to the horse drawn thingy (cason?). The
    line leading into the Capitol Rotunda and the Rotunda/viewing itself
    were pretty locked down. No cameras, large bags, backpacks, food,
    beverage, blankets, etc.

    -gary
    www.eighteenpercent.net


    On Thu, 10 Jun 2004 09:13:39 -0400, Ron G <> wrote:

    >My understanding is that cameras and many, many other personal items,
    >including food, were prohibited from the parade route for 'security'
    >reasons.
     
    gmr2048, Jun 10, 2004
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