Camera costs in Canada, explained

Discussion in 'Digital Photography' started by Rich, Jan 17, 2006.

  1. Rich

    Rich Guest

    This came about as a result of a thread about
    the cost of a Canon 20D imported from the U.S. into
    Canada.

    Hi,
    In any case our sale price on line for a Canon EOS 20D with the
    EF-S 17-85 mm IS lens is $2399.99 including a Sandisk Extreme III 1GB
    memory card. As for why the US has a better price then Canadian
    dealers, is mainly due to factors such as; the larger market in the
    US (300+ million compared to our Canadian population of 30+ million)
    therefore they have a larger bargaining power to the factories in
    Japan then Canada. Corporate taxes are higher in Canada, cost of
    operating a business in Canada is much more expensive then compared to
    the US.
     
    Rich, Jan 17, 2006
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  2. Rich

    Guest

    EVERYTHING costs more in Canada because of Canada's high national
    and provincial taxes - particularly the GST sales taxes! (A Canadian
    ham-radio operator looking to buy a radio on a business trip to Atlanta
    explained it all to me several years ago.)

    No $4 to park! No $6 admission! http://www.INTERNET-GUN-SHOW.com
     
    , Jan 17, 2006
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  3. wrote:
    > EVERYTHING costs more in Canada because of Canada's high national
    > and provincial taxes - particularly the GST sales taxes! (A Canadian
    > ham-radio operator looking to buy a radio on a business trip to
    > Atlanta explained it all to me several years ago.)
    >
    > No $4 to park! No $6 admission! http://www.INTERNET-GUN-SHOW.com


    You LUCKY guys! Try out the London Boat Show, currently on at Earl's Court,
    £14 to park, £12 admission, £6 for a burger, £3.30 for a pint of beer. The
    boats on show are rubbish, and the side stalls even worse!

    Shop around and you might get 5% off a sailing suit costing £595, made in
    China, of course!

    If you live in Glasgow, British Airways will do a discounted shuttle ticket
    for around £185 return, taxis and underground rail link another £30.

    £400 should easily cover a day at the show, so long as you don't buy
    anything! You lucky people!

    Dennis.
     
    Dennis Pogson, Jan 17, 2006
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  4. Rich

    Tesco News Guest

    "Dennis Pogson" <> wrote in message
    news:Bi3zf.35918$...
    > wrote:
    >> EVERYTHING costs more in Canada because of Canada's high national
    >> and provincial taxes - particularly the GST sales taxes! (A Canadian
    >> ham-radio operator looking to buy a radio on a business trip to
    >> Atlanta explained it all to me several years ago.)
    >>
    >> No $4 to park! No $6 admission! http://www.INTERNET-GUN-SHOW.com

    >
    > You LUCKY guys! Try out the London Boat Show, currently on at Earl's
    > Court,
    > £14 to park, £12 admission, £6 for a burger, £3.30 for a pint of beer. The
    > boats on show are rubbish, and the side stalls even worse!
    >
    > Shop around and you might get 5% off a sailing suit costing £595, made in
    > China, of course!
    >
    > If you live in Glasgow, British Airways will do a discounted shuttle
    > ticket
    > for around £185 return, taxis and underground rail link another £30.
    >
    > £400 should easily cover a day at the show, so long as you don't buy
    > anything! You lucky people!
    >
    > Dennis.
    >

    Brutish Airways, (no it is not a misstype), what else would you expect.

    Anyone with any sense would fly Prestwick to Stanstead. Ryan Air offer
    prices from £1, and you are using much nicer and more civilised Airports.
    You might even be able to find someone who can speak English, try doing that
    at Heathrow.

    Roy G
     
    Tesco News, Jan 17, 2006
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  5. Rich

    Jim Townsend Guest

    Rich wrote:

    > Corporate taxes are higher in Canada, cost of
    > operating a business in Canada is much more expensive then compared to
    > the US.


    That's the bottom line.. The federal and provincial governments have
    to suck huge amounts of cash out of the Canadian economy to support
    "free" health care and other socialist endeavors.
     
    Jim Townsend, Jan 17, 2006
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  6. Rich

    Cathy Guest

    "Jim Townsend" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > Rich wrote:
    >
    > > Corporate taxes are higher in Canada, cost of
    > > operating a business in Canada is much more expensive then compared

    to
    > > the US.

    >
    > That's the bottom line.. The federal and provincial governments have
    > to suck huge amounts of cash out of the Canadian economy to support
    > "free" health care and other socialist endeavors.


    Canada is a big country, but has only a small population (31 million) to
    pay taxes to support the many programs. Its not like the US with 10
    times the population of Canada so really can't be
    compared to the US buying power. More population means a much better
    bargaining position with most other countries, which translates into
    lower prices and more variety for US consumers. But depends on what you
    want to buy. In cameras there is more variety of some models in the US
    but for the person who just wants to buy an ordinary point and shoot, if
    you shop around, you can buy one in Canada around the same price as the
    US all things considered. I bought Sony W5 on sale a few months ago. I
    paid less than it was selling at most places in the US at the time. On
    the other hand, SLR cameras and lenses could be an entirely different
    story as they are a lot more expensive than point and shoots and could
    be cheaper to buy in the US. I don't check their prices so I don't know.
    Just my take for what its worth.

    Cathy
     
    Cathy, Jan 17, 2006
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  7. Rich

    Guest

    Cathy wrote:
    >Canada is a big country, but has only a small population (31 million) to
    >pay taxes to support the many programs.


    That doesn't begin to explain the high living cost up there - as
    there are also that many fewer people to SUPPORT! What does explain it
    is that all those "free" things in Canada's social programs that us
    Americans don't get must somehow get paid for. High taxes up there pay
    for "free" health care and college for Canadians!

    No $6 admission! http://www.INTERNET-GUN-SHOW.com
     
    , Jan 17, 2006
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  8. Rich

    book358 Guest

    <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > Cathy wrote:
    > >Canada is a big country, but has only a small population (31 million)

    to
    > >pay taxes to support the many programs.

    >
    > That doesn't begin to explain the high living cost up there - as
    > there are also that many fewer people to SUPPORT! What does explain

    it
    > is that all those "free" things in Canada's social programs that us
    > Americans don't get must somehow get paid for. High taxes up there

    pay
    > for "free" health care and college for Canadians!
    >
    > No $6 admission! http://www.INTERNET-GUN-SHOW.com


    I didn't say I had all the answers. I wish I did. I was just trying to
    give you the way I see things.
    Have you ever lived in Canada? Maybe if you did, you would know the
    answers to the questions you ask.

    Cathy
     
    book358, Jan 17, 2006
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  9. Rich

    Rich Guest

    On Tue, 17 Jan 2006 12:29:53 -0600, Jim Townsend <>
    wrote:

    >Rich wrote:
    >
    >> Corporate taxes are higher in Canada, cost of
    >> operating a business in Canada is much more expensive then compared to
    >> the US.

    >
    >That's the bottom line.. The federal and provincial governments have
    >to suck huge amounts of cash out of the Canadian economy to support
    >"free" health care and other socialist endeavors.
    >
    >


    It's more than that; An America retailer will try to be competitive,
    to sell alot of cameras at a smaller marging rather than the Canadian
    retail mantra that says sell a few for a larger profit. It's not as
    bad as it was decades ago when things were 100% more than the U.S.
    price, but it's still a problem.
    The average Canadian retailer just can't understand the math
    where selling 100 cameras at $700/ea. makes more sense than
    selling 20 at $1000/ea.
    -Rich
     
    Rich, Jan 18, 2006
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  10. Rich

    Cathy Guest

    "Rich" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > On Tue, 17 Jan 2006 12:29:53 -0600, Jim Townsend <>
    > wrote:
    >
    > >Rich wrote:
    > >
    > >> Corporate taxes are higher in Canada, cost of
    > >> operating a business in Canada is much more expensive then compared

    to
    > >> the US.

    > >
    > >That's the bottom line.. The federal and provincial governments have
    > >to suck huge amounts of cash out of the Canadian economy to support
    > >"free" health care and other socialist endeavors.
    > >
    > >

    >
    > It's more than that; An America retailer will try to be competitive,
    > to sell alot of cameras at a smaller marging rather than the Canadian
    > retail mantra that says sell a few for a larger profit. It's not as
    > bad as it was decades ago when things were 100% more than the U.S.
    > price, but it's still a problem.
    > The average Canadian retailer just can't understand the math
    > where selling 100 cameras at $700/ea. makes more sense than
    > selling 20 at $1000/ea.


    Rich, but don't you think that Canadian stores pay more when buying the
    cameras in the first place?
    We don't have the buying power that US stores do. They sell a lot more
    cameras due to the larger amount of buyers, so can afford to sell them
    for less, along with prices being lower for them to buy cameras from the
    manufacturers? Its not any one factor. There are no doubt various
    factors involved in merchandising.

    Cathy
     
    Cathy, Jan 18, 2006
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  11. Rich

    Guest

    Cathy wrote:
    >We don't have the buying power that US stores do. They sell a lot more
    >cameras due to the larger amount of buyers, so can afford to sell them
    >for less, along with prices being lower for them to buy cameras from the
    >manufacturers?


    I really doubt this explanation - since so much of ANY kind of
    product now moves through just a few big-box discounters like Wal-Mart
    that buy for their stores throughout North America and demonstrably
    have the power to make suppliers lower prices.

    No $4 to park! No $6 admission! http://www.INTERNET-GUN-SHOW.com
     
    , Jan 18, 2006
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  12. Rich

    book358 Guest

    <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > Cathy wrote:
    > >We don't have the buying power that US stores do. They sell a lot

    more
    > >cameras due to the larger amount of buyers, so can afford to sell

    them
    > >for less, along with prices being lower for them to buy cameras from

    the
    > >manufacturers?

    >
    > I really doubt this explanation - since so much of ANY kind of
    > product now moves through just a few big-box discounters like Wal-Mart
    > that buy for their stores throughout North America and demonstrably
    > have the power to make suppliers lower prices.


    Walmart here don't sell cameras any lower priced than any other camera
    seller. In fact, when I was comparing prices, I checked out 4 Walmarts
    near me and their camera prices seemed higher than other camera stores
    and they don't have a lot of variety either. The best prices here are
    at places like Future shop (owned by Best Buy) and Best buy, Staples,
    Blacks cameras and Henrys cameras - but only when they are on sale which
    they quite often are at one of these stores, and they all price match
    with each other.

    Cathy
     
    book358, Jan 18, 2006
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  13. On Tue, 17 Jan 2006 23:03:09 -0500, "Cathy"
    <> wrote:

    >"Rich" <> wrote in message
    >news:...
    >> On Tue, 17 Jan 2006 12:29:53 -0600, Jim Townsend <>
    >> wrote:
    >>
    >> >Rich wrote:
    >> >
    >> >> Corporate taxes are higher in Canada, cost of
    >> >> operating a business in Canada is much more expensive then compared

    >to
    >> >> the US.
    >> >
    >> >That's the bottom line.. The federal and provincial governments have
    >> >to suck huge amounts of cash out of the Canadian economy to support
    >> >"free" health care and other socialist endeavors.
    >> >
    >> >

    >>
    >> It's more than that; An America retailer will try to be competitive,
    >> to sell alot of cameras at a smaller marging rather than the Canadian
    >> retail mantra that says sell a few for a larger profit. It's not as
    >> bad as it was decades ago when things were 100% more than the U.S.
    >> price, but it's still a problem.
    >> The average Canadian retailer just can't understand the math
    >> where selling 100 cameras at $700/ea. makes more sense than
    >> selling 20 at $1000/ea.

    >
    >Rich, but don't you think that Canadian stores pay more when buying the
    >cameras in the first place?
    >We don't have the buying power that US stores do. They sell a lot more
    >cameras due to the larger amount of buyers, so can afford to sell them
    >for less, along with prices being lower for them to buy cameras from the
    >manufacturers? Its not any one factor. There are no doubt various
    >factors involved in merchandising.
    >
    >Cathy


    I bought a Panasonic FZ30 from Buydig.com last Feb. The
    camera itself sold for $473 USD. The final cost to my door,
    shipping, taxes etc. was $687 CAD.

    At that time the best Canadian price I could find was $899
    plus taxes and shipping.

    I can't comprehend why the Canadian price was so high,
    unless Panasonic Canada itself was taking a very large
    profit. I'm sure canadian dealers are required to purchase
    stock from Panasonic Canada.

    The camera price on the Panasonic.ca web site was $999 CAD,
    at that time.

    Slim
     
    Slim Pickings, Jan 19, 2006
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  14. Rich

    Cathy Guest

    "Slim Pickings" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > On Tue, 17 Jan 2006 23:03:09 -0500, "Cathy"
    > <> wrote:
    >
    > >"Rich" <> wrote in message
    > >news:...
    > >> On Tue, 17 Jan 2006 12:29:53 -0600, Jim Townsend <>
    > >> wrote:
    > >>
    > >> >Rich wrote:
    > >> >
    > >> >> Corporate taxes are higher in Canada, cost of
    > >> >> operating a business in Canada is much more expensive then

    compared
    > >to
    > >> >> the US.
    > >> >
    > >> >That's the bottom line.. The federal and provincial governments

    have
    > >> >to suck huge amounts of cash out of the Canadian economy to

    support
    > >> >"free" health care and other socialist endeavors.
    > >> >
    > >> >
    > >>
    > >> It's more than that; An America retailer will try to be

    competitive,
    > >> to sell alot of cameras at a smaller marging rather than the

    Canadian
    > >> retail mantra that says sell a few for a larger profit. It's not as
    > >> bad as it was decades ago when things were 100% more than the U.S.
    > >> price, but it's still a problem.
    > >> The average Canadian retailer just can't understand the math
    > >> where selling 100 cameras at $700/ea. makes more sense than
    > >> selling 20 at $1000/ea.

    > >
    > >Rich, but don't you think that Canadian stores pay more when buying

    the
    > >cameras in the first place?
    > >We don't have the buying power that US stores do. They sell a lot

    more
    > >cameras due to the larger amount of buyers, so can afford to sell

    them
    > >for less, along with prices being lower for them to buy cameras from

    the
    > >manufacturers? Its not any one factor. There are no doubt various
    > >factors involved in merchandising.
    > >
    > >Cathy

    >
    > I bought a Panasonic FZ30 from Buydig.com last Feb. The
    > camera itself sold for $473 USD. The final cost to my door,
    > shipping, taxes etc. was $687 CAD.


    Who is buydig? Where are you located?

    > At that time the best Canadian price I could find was $899
    > plus taxes and shipping.


    In that case it was worth it. Its probably an SLR ? Point and shoot
    cameras are not too badly priced here though can take a while for new
    camera prices to come down. I didn't want a Panasonic because most of
    the point and shoots don't have viewfinders. I wouldn't buy a camera
    without a viewfinder.I also wanted a bigger LCD, so mine is 2.5" which
    is fine for me. I'm blind as a bat :)

    > I can't comprehend why the Canadian price was so high,
    > unless Panasonic Canada itself was taking a very large
    > profit. I'm sure canadian dealers are required to purchase
    > stock from Panasonic Canada.


    When I was looking around, I noticed that Panasonic cameras were higher
    priced than other makes. Canons are a little pricey as well but are
    often on sale. Sony cameras seem to be on sale the most and I got mine
    at Staples for a very good sale price. It was more money at most stores
    in the US at the time and that was about 4 months ago. Casio cameras are
    quite reasonable too. HP cameras are the cheapest and not bad cameras.
    At least living in Toronto there are lots of camera stores so lots of
    sales. But for higher priced cameras, it might be cheaper to buy in the
    US.

    > The camera price on the Panasonic.ca web site was $999 CAD,
    > at that time.


    Everything Panasonic seems to be more money than other items here. I
    have a Panasonic cordless phone I've had for a few years which is a
    great phone, but it cost more than other corldess phones if you look in
    stores here. I have found their cordless phones to be better than other
    makes. They are good to deal with too. I had trouble with my phone about
    6 weeks after the warranty was up (figures). I took it to a Panasonic
    repair depot and theys said the handset needed to be replaced and
    something like $75.00.I can't remember exact. I phoned Panasonic who
    have their Canadian head office in Toronto suburb, and spoke to service
    dept..It was just before Christmas two years ago so maybe he was in a
    Christmassy mood because he told me they would fix it under warranty.
    So they did and eventually I got it back fixed.

    Cathy
     
    Cathy, Jan 19, 2006
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