Bulk Email - NOT SPAM!

Discussion in 'Computer Support' started by Herb Stein, Nov 20, 2006.

  1. Herb Stein

    Herb Stein Guest

    Hello-

    This may not be the correct forum for this question, but I'm not sure which
    one is better.

    I have a client who wants to send out, en masse, an emailing to 200-300 of
    his clients. These are not blind emails. He already has a working, business
    relationship with them. He already has the email addresses, but they have
    not "opted in" to such a mailing list. They will, however, be given the
    chance to "opt out."

    Two questions:
    1. Does anybody see a problem with the concept?
    2. Assuming it's OK, who out there is a good provider of such a service?

    Thanks.
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    Herb Stein, Nov 20, 2006
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  2. Herb Stein

    Evan Platt Guest

    On Mon, 20 Nov 2006 23:55:49 GMT, "Herb Stein" <>
    wrote:

    >Hello-
    >
    >This may not be the correct forum for this question, but I'm not sure which
    >one is better.
    >
    >I have a client who wants to send out, en masse, an emailing to 200-300 of
    >his clients. These are not blind emails. He already has a working, business
    >relationship with them. He already has the email addresses, but they have
    >not "opted in" to such a mailing list. They will, however, be given the
    >chance to "opt out."
    >
    >Two questions:
    >1. Does anybody see a problem with the concept?


    Yes.

    Do you mind if I give out your e-mail address to every spammer in the
    world? You'll have your chance to opt-out.

    >2. Assuming it's OK, who out there is a good provider of such a service?


    Probably. Overseas - China, Japan, etc.

    No reputable firm in the USA will.
     
    Evan Platt, Nov 21, 2006
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  3. Evan Platt wrote:
    > On Mon, 20 Nov 2006 23:55:49 GMT, "Herb Stein" <>
    > wrote:
    >
    >>Hello-
    >>
    >>This may not be the correct forum for this question, but I'm not sure which
    >>one is better.
    >>
    >>I have a client who wants to send out, en masse, an emailing to 200-300 of
    >>his clients. These are not blind emails. He already has a working, business
    >>relationship with them. He already has the email addresses, but they have
    >>not "opted in" to such a mailing list. They will, however, be given the
    >>chance to "opt out."
    >>
    >>Two questions:
    >>1. Does anybody see a problem with the concept?

    >
    > Yes.
    >
    > Do you mind if I give out your e-mail address to every spammer in the
    > world? You'll have your chance to opt-out.


    He just saved you the trouble, of course. :)


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    Blinky the Shark, Nov 21, 2006
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  4. Herb Stein

    Mike Easter Guest

    Herb Stein wrote:

    > I have a client who wants to send out, en masse, an emailing to
    > 200-300 of his clients. These are not blind emails. He already has a
    > working, business relationship with them.


    That is not a mailing list.

    > He already has the email
    > addresses, but they have not "opted in" to such a mailing list.


    That's why that is not a mailing list.

    > They
    > will, however, be given the chance to "opt out."


    Getting an email from somone who you have not opted-in to receiving mail
    which contains an opt-out function is called spam.

    > Two questions:
    > 1. Does anybody see a problem with the concept?


    The concept which he is working on is taking one kind of a list, a list
    of email addresses of business associates, and converting it into a
    different kind of list; a list of business associates who are asking to
    be on a mailing list from him.

    That 'conversion' is a very touchy one and is one which he should read
    and understand the guidelines to good mailing list management.

    http://www.mail-abuse.com/an_listmgntgdlines.html Guidelines for proper
    mailing list management - All communications must be consensual. - No
    one should ever have to unsubscribe from a list they did not
    intentionally subscribe to.

    If he is corresponding by email with a business associate about
    business, he can 'offer' the associate an opportunity to opt-in to a
    mailing list. He should not generate mail which is typically
    promotional in nature addressed to the business associates to opt-out
    of. It will hurt him business relationship-wise because he is spamming
    his business associates at the contact address they gave for conducting
    business only.

    An electronic message is "spam" IF: (1) the recipient's personal
    identity and context are irrelevant because the message is equally
    applicable to many other potential recipients; AND (2) the recipient has
    not verifiably granted deliberate, explicit, and still-revocable
    permission for it to be sent; AND (3) the transmission and reception of
    the message appears to the recipient to give a disproportionate benefit
    to the sender.

    (1) is bulk or 'mass' without saying bulk (2) is what your friend hasn't
    done and (3) is what he is wanting to do

    > 2. Assuming it's OK, who out there is a good provider of such a
    > service?


    Spammer services.

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    Mike Easter, Nov 21, 2006
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  5. Herb Stein

    richard Guest

    "Herb Stein" <> wrote in message
    news:9gr8h.14898$...
    > Hello-
    >
    > This may not be the correct forum for this question, but I'm not sure
    > which one is better.
    >
    > I have a client who wants to send out, en masse, an emailing to 200-300 of
    > his clients. These are not blind emails. He already has a working,
    > business relationship with them. He already has the email addresses, but
    > they have not "opted in" to such a mailing list. They will, however, be
    > given the chance to "opt out."
    >
    > Two questions:
    > 1. Does anybody see a problem with the concept?
    > 2. Assuming it's OK, who out there is a good provider of such a service?


    I wouldn't see a problem with that as being spam.
    But it would depend on how often the mails are sent out.
    Since the mail also includes an "opt out" thing, then it is complying with
    the law. Since they are his clients, the emails were not harvested randomly
    so that also meets the law.
    Contact a host on the phone or through snail mail, explain the situation and
    see if they will allow it.
     
    richard, Nov 21, 2006
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  6. Herb Stein

    richard Guest

    "Evan Platt" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > On Mon, 20 Nov 2006 23:55:49 GMT, "Herb Stein" <>
    > wrote:
    >
    >>Hello-
    >>
    >>This may not be the correct forum for this question, but I'm not sure
    >>which
    >>one is better.
    >>
    >>I have a client who wants to send out, en masse, an emailing to 200-300 of
    >>his clients. These are not blind emails. He already has a working,
    >>business
    >>relationship with them. He already has the email addresses, but they have
    >>not "opted in" to such a mailing list. They will, however, be given the
    >>chance to "opt out."
    >>
    >>Two questions:
    >>1. Does anybody see a problem with the concept?

    >
    > Yes.
    >
    > Do you mind if I give out your e-mail address to every spammer in the
    > world? You'll have your chance to opt-out.
    >
    >>2. Assuming it's OK, who out there is a good provider of such a service?

    >
    > Probably. Overseas - China, Japan, etc.
    >
    > No reputable firm in the USA will.


    Idiot. Understand what spam is first before you go shouting "Spammer!".
     
    richard, Nov 21, 2006
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  7. Herb Stein

    Evan Platt Guest

    On Mon, 20 Nov 2006 18:41:31 -0700, "richard" <> wrote:

    >I wouldn't see a problem with that as being spam.
    >But it would depend on how often the mails are sent out.


    Please stop breathing. You are taking up oxygen others need.
     
    Evan Platt, Nov 21, 2006
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  8. "Herb Stein" <> seriously, and did it in
    news:9gr8h.14898$:
    >
    > Hello-
    >
    > This may not be the correct forum for this question, but I'm not sure
    > which one is better.
    >
    > I have a client who wants to send out, en masse, an emailing to 200-300
    > of his clients. These are not blind emails. He already has a working,
    > business relationship with them. He already has the email addresses, but
    > they have not "opted in" to such a mailing list. They will, however, be
    > given the chance to "opt out."
    >
    > Two questions:
    > 1. Does anybody see a problem with the concept?
    > 2. Assuming it's OK, who out there is a good provider of such a service?
    >
    > Thanks.
    > --
    > Herb
    >



    Finding a correct forum for this on usenet is going to be a... well let's
    just call it an "experience."

    First question might be better parsed "Does anybody *not* see a problem..."

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    To me, truth is not some vague and/or foggy notion.
    Truth *is* real! And, at the same time - unreal.
    Fiction and fact and everything in between...
    Plus some things I can't even remember -
    all rolled into one big "thing."

    This is "truth," to me.
     
    Bucky Breeder, Nov 21, 2006
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  9. Herb Stein

    Plato Guest

    Herb Stein wrote:
    >
    > I have a client who wants to send out, en masse, an emailing to 200-300 of
    > his clients. These are not blind emails. He already has a working, business


    www.ymlp.com

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    Plato, Nov 23, 2006
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