Bug in MCP exam scoring?

Discussion in 'MCSE' started by Neil9327@gmail.com, May 4, 2006.

  1. Guest

    Hi,

    I've just sent the email below to my MCP test provider describing what
    I think may be a problem with the software that scores the MCP exam I
    took today. Any thoughts?




    I've just taken exam 70-228 and failed it with a mark of 553 out of
    700.
    On the printout there are seven bars showing my performance in each of
    7 areas:

    Installing and Configuring SQL Server
    Creating SQL Server Databases
    Managaing, Monitoring, and Troubleshooting SQL Server 2000 Databases
    Extracting and Transforming Data with SQL Server 2000
    Managing and Monitoring SQL Server 2000 Security
    Managing, Monitoring and Troubleshooting SQL Server 2000
    Survey

    It is this last one that concerns me. The bar is empty implying that I
    have failed all the questions in this section. Yet the item "Survey" is
    not present in the list of exam objectives on Microsoft's web site:

    http://www.microsoft.com/learning/exams/70-228.asp#SKILLS

    I think this item "survey" is a bug and should not have been there.

    The printout does not mark each item, but it is clear by measuring each
    of the seven items that the total score of 553 has been generated by
    adding up each item and dividing by 7 (expressed as a percentage).
    I think my correct score should have been generated by dividing by 6,
    which would give around 630. Still a fail, but much closer to the pass
    mark of 700.
     
    , May 4, 2006
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  2. May 4, 2006

    Hi Neil... I once had an empty bar in a section and called the MCP phone
    number... and they said it probably was because there was only one question
    under that category and I got it wrong. . . . this is also listed in the
    FAQs on the MCP web site.

    Hope this helps!

    --
    Joseph Bittman
    Microsoft Certified Solution Developer
    Microsoft Most Valuable Professional -- DPM

    Web Site/Blog: http://CactiDevelopers.ResDev.Net/

    <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > Hi,
    >
    > I've just sent the email below to my MCP test provider describing what
    > I think may be a problem with the software that scores the MCP exam I
    > took today. Any thoughts?
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > I've just taken exam 70-228 and failed it with a mark of 553 out of
    > 700.
    > On the printout there are seven bars showing my performance in each of
    > 7 areas:
    >
    > Installing and Configuring SQL Server
    > Creating SQL Server Databases
    > Managaing, Monitoring, and Troubleshooting SQL Server 2000 Databases
    > Extracting and Transforming Data with SQL Server 2000
    > Managing and Monitoring SQL Server 2000 Security
    > Managing, Monitoring and Troubleshooting SQL Server 2000
    > Survey
    >
    > It is this last one that concerns me. The bar is empty implying that I
    > have failed all the questions in this section. Yet the item "Survey" is
    > not present in the list of exam objectives on Microsoft's web site:
    >
    > http://www.microsoft.com/learning/exams/70-228.asp#SKILLS
    >
    > I think this item "survey" is a bug and should not have been there.
    >
    > The printout does not mark each item, but it is clear by measuring each
    > of the seven items that the total score of 553 has been generated by
    > adding up each item and dividing by 7 (expressed as a percentage).
    > I think my correct score should have been generated by dividing by 6,
    > which would give around 630. Still a fail, but much closer to the pass
    > mark of 700.
    >
     
    Joseph Bittman MVP MCSD, May 5, 2006
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  3. Cerebrus Guest

    Having given some MCP exams, I usually found a brief survey about MS at
    the end of each exam. But you can be rest assured that the survey
    questions are *not* part of the exam, and are not scored. In none of my
    score reports was the "Survey" bar present.

    So, definitely looks like a bug to me.
     
    Cerebrus, May 5, 2006
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  4. **'s** the one who fcukin said it
    <<-------------------------------->>

    > It is this last one that concerns me. The bar is empty implying that I
    > have failed all the questions in this section. Yet the item "Survey"
    > is not present in the list of exam objectives on Microsoft's web site:
    >
    > http://www.microsoft.com/learning/exams/70-228.asp#SKILLS
    >
    > I think this item "survey" is a bug and should not have been there.
    >

    You are kidding, right? Please tell me you're just a troll looking for
    attention. Imagine that MS making sure that we know how to take a survey.
    BWAHAHAH!!!! That's rich!!!

    Do you not know what a survey is? That line is there to prove that MS offered
    you the opportunity to complete the Exam Survey. You didn't have to take it,
    and it in no way is a skills measurement objective.

    OMFG!!!! This guy CAN'T be the *future* of MS?!?!?!

    It's people like this that should automatically have their certs yanked on
    principal alone.

    --
    Bigus Di©kus
    MCNGP 00110011
    --I like that, kinda has a ring to it!
     
    Bigus Di©kus, May 5, 2006
    #4
  5. Guest

    Bigus Di©kus wrote:

    > You are kidding, right? Please tell me you're just a troll looking for
    > attention. Imagine that MS making sure that we know how to take a survey.
    > BWAHAHAH!!!! That's rich!!!


    I'm not a troll.
    I said in my original post that the score appears to be made up by
    calculating the lengths of the lines on all 7 rows, not all 6. Also the
    "survey" line, with score zero is also marked from "needs development"
    to "strong".

    I've uploaded a photo of the certificate to my web site (with personal
    information blanked out) to show you:

    http://dohat.com/mcpbug.jpg
     
    , May 5, 2006
    #5
  6. The paper report may have been buggy, but based on your bars you still
    failed.

    --
    ..rev.mct.mcngp.44

    It is the mark of an educated man to be able to entertain a thought without
    accepting it.
    ~Aristotle
    ..
    <> wrote in message
    news:...
    Bigus Di©kus wrote:

    > You are kidding, right? Please tell me you're just a troll looking for
    > attention. Imagine that MS making sure that we know how to take a survey.
    > BWAHAHAH!!!! That's rich!!!


    I'm not a troll.
    I said in my original post that the score appears to be made up by
    calculating the lengths of the lines on all 7 rows, not all 6. Also the
    "survey" line, with score zero is also marked from "needs development"
    to "strong".

    I've uploaded a photo of the certificate to my web site (with personal
    information blanked out) to show you:

    http://dohat.com/mcpbug.jpg
     
    The Rev [MCT], May 5, 2006
    #6
  7. kpg Guest

    As once said in microsoft.public.cert.exam.mcse

    OMG! You failed the Survey?

    Geez man, that's the easiest part!

    You better hit the books.
     
    kpg, May 5, 2006
    #7
  8. Neil Guest

    did you hear "Bigus Di©kus" <BigusDi©kus@127.0.0.1> say in
    news::

    > OMFG!!!! This guy CAN'T be the *future* of MS?!?!?!


    prayer, the last vestage of teh scoundle

    --
    The InterNeil MCNGP Triple X

    - Windows for Workgroups: Why crash just 1 window when you can crash 6?
     
    Neil, May 5, 2006
    #8
  9. Guest

    OK I'll post my calculations:

    There are 7 rows. I used a ruler to measure the lengths of these, and
    they came to the following:

    6.9
    5.5
    6.1
    13.7
    12.2
    13.7
    0

    Add these up to get 58.1
    The total length of the rows is 15.2
    So a common sense way to turn this into a score is to multiply by 1000,
    divide by 7, and divide by 15.2
    This gives 546
    This is very close to the actual score of 553 (well within the margin
    of error of my ruler).

    What happens if you calculate it with 6 rows instead (i.e. not counting
    the survey). You get 637. Although yes this is
    still a fail (and I don't dispute this) it is much closer to a pass
    (700). The key is that if I read some more so I
    would pass the test, with this bug I would still fail, which is unfair.
     
    , May 5, 2006
    #9
  10. kpg Guest

    As once said in microsoft.public.cert.exam.mcse


    I think it's a strech to measure bar lengths and then try to
    determine the score from that.

    I do however give you an 870 for creativity.
     
    kpg, May 5, 2006
    #10
  11. "Bigus Di©kus" wrote:
    > OMFG!!!! This guy CAN'T be the *future* of MS?!?!?!
    >
    > It's people like this that should automatically have their certs yanked on
    > principal alone.
    >
    > --
    > Bigus Di©kus
    > MCNGP 00110011
    > --I like that, kinda has a ring to it!



    Dont worry, he did fail. te$tk!ng must be loosing it's touch.
    --
    LoopBack
     
    =?Utf-8?B?TG9vcEJhY2s=?=, May 5, 2006
    #11
  12. kpg Guest

    As LoopBack once said in microsoft.public.cert.exam.mcse

    > Dont worry, he did fail. te$tk!ng must be loosing it's touch.


    Now, now, no need to use the "T" word.
     
    kpg, May 5, 2006
    #12
  13. i had to 'encode-it' to make sure it got through the filters :p
    --
    LoopBack


    "kpg" wrote:

    > As LoopBack once said in microsoft.public.cert.exam.mcse
    >
    > > Dont worry, he did fail. te$tk!ng must be loosing it's touch.

    >
    > Now, now, no need to use the "T" word.
    >
     
    =?Utf-8?B?TG9vcEJhY2s=?=, May 5, 2006
    #13
  14. kpg Guest

    As LoopBack once said in microsoft.public.cert.exam.mcse

    > i had to 'encode-it' to make sure it got through the
    > filters :p


    lol

    Good one.
     
    kpg, May 5, 2006
    #14
  15. lowdes Guest

    What do you know, you have never taken a MCP test . . . .


    "Bigus Di©kus" <BigusDi©kus@127.0.0.1> wrote in message
    news:...
    > **'s** the one who fcukin said it
    > <<-------------------------------->>
    >
    >> It is this last one that concerns me. The bar is empty implying that I
    >> have failed all the questions in this section. Yet the item "Survey"
    >> is not present in the list of exam objectives on Microsoft's web site:
    >>
    >> http://www.microsoft.com/learning/exams/70-228.asp#SKILLS
    >>
    >> I think this item "survey" is a bug and should not have been there.
    >>

    > You are kidding, right? Please tell me you're just a troll looking for
    > attention. Imagine that MS making sure that we know how to take a survey.
    > BWAHAHAH!!!! That's rich!!!
    >
    > Do you not know what a survey is? That line is there to prove that MS
    > offered you the opportunity to complete the Exam Survey. You didn't have
    > to take it, and it in no way is a skills measurement objective.
    >
    > OMFG!!!! This guy CAN'T be the *future* of MS?!?!?!
    >
    > It's people like this that should automatically have their certs yanked on
    > principal alone.
    >
    > --
    > Bigus Di©kus
    > MCNGP 00110011
    > --I like that, kinda has a ring to it!
    >
     
    lowdes, May 5, 2006
    #15
  16. Guest

    <I think it's a strech to measure bar lengths and then try to
    determine the score from that. >

    Is it?
    What are the bar lengths there for then if they don't represent the
    score you got. A few years ago I took MCP exams and they showed the
    score as a percentage for each section separately. It seems entirely
    logical that they would represent the bar lengths in exactly the same
    way - the distance along of each bar as a percentage of the total
    length of the bar is equal to your percentage score.
    And doing this including all seven categories does give the score to an
    accuracy of closer than 1 percent.

    Or to put it another way - for the score to be accurate as stated then
    Microsoft would have had to skew the bars to something like 10 percent
    away from where you would expect them to be. Why would Microsoft do
    that - there's no reason.

    Finally look at the item for "survey". It is marked with scoring from
    "Needs Development" to "Strong" like the other 6. Why would they put
    this text there if the survey is not being included in the marking
    calculations?

    No the evidence points to a software mistake by Microsoft.
     
    , May 5, 2006
    #16
  17. Cerebrus Guest

    As I said, it's almost certainly a bug of some sort, and you should
    take it up with the authorities.

    But measuring bar lengths with a ruler was a funny idea all right ! Had
    a mighty laugh on that one. The bars show *relative* strengths, and
    should not be taken as more indicative than that.

    kpg wrote :
    >> I do however give you an 870 for creativity.


    And I'd give you a 920 for implementing outrageously funny ideas.

    BTW, what was the € 1.99 object in your scanned image ? Just curious.
     
    Cerebrus, May 5, 2006
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  18. kpg Guest

    OK.

    1) The exact way MS scores the test is a secret.

    2) Not all questions have the same value.

    3) The bars might be a representation of the number
    of questions wrong, not the total points wrong.

    4) I think you're splitting hairs. If you had passed the
    test none of this would matter.

    5) I like making numbered lists.

    6) I'm done now.
     
    kpg, May 5, 2006
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  19. Frisbee® Guest

    <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > Finally look at the item for "survey". It is marked with scoring from
    > "Needs Development" to "Strong" like the other 6. Why would they put
    > this text there if the survey is not being included in the marking
    > calculations?
    >
    > No the evidence points to a software mistake by Microsoft.


    That part of the software design/coding/testing was outsourced.
     
    Frisbee®, May 5, 2006
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  20. Kline Sphere Guest

    Hey, Joseph Bittman Microsoft Certified Solution Developer Microsoft
    Most Valuable Professional -- DPM,

    We're still waiting to know who all these
    MVP's are, you know, the one's who say t*stking is legit.

    waiting.....

    Kline Sphere (Chalk) MCNGP #3
     
    Kline Sphere, May 5, 2006
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