Betamax - log in twice

Discussion in 'UK VOIP' started by Jack, Jul 11, 2009.

  1. Jack

    Jack Guest

    I work from home, with the PC at my office desk.
    I like my SMSlisto (Betamax) softphone which make a fantastic
    hands-free speakerphone.

    I would also like to use SMSlisto downstairs - ideally without the
    requirement ofr the PC to be on. I posess a Linksys PAP3 ATA - not
    currently in use.
    AIUI, you cannot be logged in on the softphone and by SIP on an ATA.

    Any workarounds ?
    The best I can think of is:

    1. Use a USB ATA (works with the softphone - I think), but requires
    the PC to be on.

    2. Get a separate account, eg on POIVY, and use the SIP ATA - but
    requires both refilling every 90 days.

    Thanks.

    Jack
    Jack, Jul 11, 2009
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  2. Jack

    Nick Guest

    Jack wrote:
    > I work from home, with the PC at my office desk.
    > I like my SMSlisto (Betamax) softphone which make a fantastic
    > hands-free speakerphone.
    >
    > I would also like to use SMSlisto downstairs - ideally without the
    > requirement ofr the PC to be on. I posess a Linksys PAP3 ATA - not
    > currently in use.
    > AIUI, you cannot be logged in on the softphone and by SIP on an ATA.
    >
    > Any workarounds ?
    > The best I can think of is:
    >
    > 1. Use a USB ATA (works with the softphone - I think), but requires
    > the PC to be on.
    >
    > 2. Get a separate account, eg on POIVY, and use the SIP ATA - but
    > requires both refilling every 90 days.
    >
    > Thanks.
    >
    > Jack



    With the Linksys PAP3 (well with the SPA3102) you can make calls without
    registering. Is that not what you want to do?

    I'm not entirely sure what happens if you attempt to make calls at the
    same time?
    Nick, Jul 11, 2009
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  3. Jack

    Graham. Guest


    >I work from home, with the PC at my office desk.
    > I like my SMSlisto (Betamax) softphone which make a fantastic
    > hands-free speakerphone.
    >
    > I would also like to use SMSlisto downstairs - ideally without the
    > requirement ofr the PC to be on. I posess a Linksys PAP3 ATA - not
    > currently in use.
    > AIUI, you cannot be logged in on the softphone and by SIP on an ATA.
    >
    > Any workarounds ?
    > The best I can think of is:
    >
    > 1. Use a USB ATA (works with the softphone - I think), but requires
    > the PC to be on.
    >
    > 2. Get a separate account, eg on POIVY, and use the SIP ATA - but
    > requires both refilling every 90 days.
    >
    > Thanks.
    >
    > Jack

    It's true that the Betamax softphone will warn you (not immediately)
    that there is a another device logged into your account but
    that does not stop you making simultaneous calls on other devices.

    Not heard of a PAP3, is it a PAP2?

    I have a PAP2 and each half has its own DECT basestation
    and handset, both halves use the same smslisto account

    --
    Graham.

    %Profound_observation%
    Graham., Jul 11, 2009
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  4. Jack

    Graham. Guest


    >
    >>I work from home, with the PC at my office desk.
    >> I like my SMSlisto (Betamax) softphone which make a fantastic
    >> hands-free speakerphone.
    >>
    >> I would also like to use SMSlisto downstairs - ideally without the
    >> requirement ofr the PC to be on. I posess a Linksys PAP3 ATA - not
    >> currently in use.
    >> AIUI, you cannot be logged in on the softphone and by SIP on an ATA.
    >>
    >> Any workarounds ?
    >> The best I can think of is:
    >>
    >> 1. Use a USB ATA (works with the softphone - I think), but requires
    >> the PC to be on.
    >>
    >> 2. Get a separate account, eg on POIVY, and use the SIP ATA - but
    >> requires both refilling every 90 days.
    >>
    >> Thanks.
    >>
    >> Jack

    > It's true that the Betamax softphone will warn you (not immediately)
    > that there is a another device logged into your account but
    > that does not stop you making simultaneous calls on other devices.


    Just tried it and you're right the softphone gets logged out.
    As I said, you can use x-lite instead.

    --
    Graham.

    %Profound_observation%
    Graham., Jul 11, 2009
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  5. Jack

    Jack Guest

    <various snips>

    [jono]: Use a different Softphone on your PC on your office desk.

    [jack]: I really don't understand this statement. AFIK you have to use
    the specific softfone (SMSlisto).
    Even if that were true, it would still have to log in, leaving the log
    in twice problem when an a SIP ATA is also used.

    [nick]: With the Linksys PAP3 (well with the SPA3102) you can make
    calls without
    registering. Is that not what you want to do?
    I'm not entirely sure what happens if you attempt to make calls at the
    same time?

    [jack]: The ATA has to log in, as does the softphone

    [graham}: It's true that the Betamax softphone will warn you (not
    immediately)
    that there is a another device logged into your account but
    that does not stop you making simultaneous calls on other devices.

    Not heard of a PAP3, is it a PAP2?

    I have a PAP2 and each half has its own DECT basestation
    and handset, both halves use the same smslisto account

    Just tried it and you're right the softphone gets logged out.
    As I said, you can use x-lite instead.

    [jack]: Yes, it's a PAP2. I have no idea what x-lite is. Sounds like
    you use a single PAP2 and no softfone hence no prblem.

    So it would appear there seems no way round this - ie use the softfone
    and a SIP ATA at the same time. (I don't mean make calls at the same
    time, just be logged in and available to make calls)
    Jack, Jul 13, 2009
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  6. Jack

    Nick Guest

    Jack wrote:

    > [nick]: With the Linksys PAP3 (well with the SPA3102) you can make
    > calls without
    > registering. Is that not what you want to do?
    > I'm not entirely sure what happens if you attempt to make calls at the
    > same time?
    >
    > [jack]: The ATA has to log in, as does the softphone
    >


    AIUI log in is not a term used by SMSlisto or PAP2. I can't be bothered
    to argue with you using non standard language.

    If you took the trouble to understand the correct terms you may find the
    answer to your problem.
    Nick, Jul 13, 2009
    #6
  7. Jack

    Graham. Guest

    Try this download this softphone, it's regarded as the standard generic
    application,
    and is quite safe. It will work with smslisto.

    http://www.counterpath.com/x-lite.html

    When launched for the first time it will present you with the SIP Accounts
    dialogue
    display name=smslisto
    user name the CLI you want to present in +44 format* (ot leave blank)
    password=your smslisto password
    Auth. user name=your smslisto user name
    domain=sip.smslisto.com
    Leave all other settings as they are.

    * it will only work as a CLI if you authorise it with the smslisto
    softphone first.

    Hope this helps.

    --
    Graham.

    %Profound_observation%
    Graham., Jul 13, 2009
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  8. Jack

    Jack Guest

    <snip>
    >AIUI log in is not a term used by SMSlisto or PAP2. I can't be bothered
    >to argue with you using non standard language.
    >
    >If you took the trouble to understand the correct terms you may find the
    >answer to your problem.


    Strange, the bottom of the SMSlisto softfone window on my monitor
    states: "The client is logged on". Non standard language/terms.
    Jack, Jul 13, 2009
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  9. Jack

    Jack Guest

    On Mon, 13 Jul 2009 16:39:06 +0100, "Graham." <> wrote:

    >Try this download this softphone, it's regarded as the standard generic
    >application,
    >and is quite safe. It will work with smslisto.
    >
    >http://www.counterpath.com/x-lite.html
    >
    >When launched for the first time it will present you with the SIP Accounts
    >dialogue
    >display name=smslisto
    >user name the CLI you want to present in +44 format* (ot leave blank)
    >password=your smslisto password
    >Auth. user name=your smslisto user name
    >domain=sip.smslisto.com
    >Leave all other settings as they are.
    >
    >* it will only work as a CLI if you authorise it with the smslisto
    >softphone first.
    >
    >Hope this helps.


    Thanks for that.
    I was not aware you could use other softfones instead of the supplied
    SMSlisto one.
    I'll give it a shot.
    Cheers.
    Jack, Jul 13, 2009
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  10. "Jack" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > So it would appear there seems no way round this - ie use the softfone
    > and a SIP ATA at the same time. (I don't mean make calls at the same
    > time, just be logged in and available to make calls)


    Jack ...
    Still do not understand your issue. You want a "work-around", but there is
    no problem in the first place to work-around. Both your softphone and your
    SIP ATA do nod need to register for making outgoing calls. They only need
    register (or log-in), if you want them to be ready to receive calls, but
    from what I understand you only want to make calls.
    .. On your SIP ATA, you can just make a call .. even if not regisertered
    .. On your softphone, just login (1 click) and make your call.
    In some ATA's you can set-up the account as "do not register". If you can do
    this, the advantage will be that your softphone does not automatically
    log-out each time your ATA tries to register
    Philippe Deleye, Jul 30, 2009
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