ARG!! Need DVD player that both STOPS and goes to MENU "whenever I want"

Discussion in 'DVD Video' started by Thomas G. Marshall, Jul 26, 2007.

  1. I need an inexpensive dvd player.

    But I'm also sick to death of dvd players telling me that I cannot go to the
    main menu whenever I want.

    *Are there any dvd players which have this capability* ?

    Example: I like to bypass all the crap at the beginning of dvd's, and even
    the "fast play" options have some of this dreck. So to start all dvd's I
    always go to scene selection first thing, and then choose scene 1. Works,
    but it can be problematic: The DVD player I had (as well as my current $32
    memorex cheapy) complain about the stuff at the beginning being interrupted
    sometimes. I get that no-can-do icon of a circle with a slash through it
    /sometimes/ when I try to hit stop, and often when I hit the main menu
    button mid play.

    It should be possible to override this, and have the stop and menu buttons
    immediately obeyed no? Or does the dvd itself come with some sort of
    programming that is obeyed by the dvd players that prevents this?


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    Thomas G. Marshall, Jul 26, 2007
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    Dave Bugg Guest

    Thomas G. Marshall wrote:

    > I need an inexpensive dvd player.
    >
    > But I'm also sick to death of dvd players telling me that I cannot go
    > to the main menu whenever I want.
    >
    > *Are there any dvd players which have this capability* ?


    Lots.

    > ........The DVD player I had (as
    > well as my current $32 memorex cheapy) complain about the stuff at
    > the beginning being interrupted sometimes.


    You can get dirt cheap with limited functionality, or moderate priced with a
    lot of functions. Low price means there will be a trade-off in both
    functionality and performance.

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    Dave Bugg, Jul 26, 2007
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    John Carrier Guest

    "Thomas G. Marshall" <>
    wrote in message news:eek:HQpi.4706$Gs4.1905@trndny05...
    >
    > I need an inexpensive dvd player.
    >
    > But I'm also sick to death of dvd players telling me that I cannot go to
    > the main menu whenever I want.
    >
    > *Are there any dvd players which have this capability* ?
    >
    > Example: I like to bypass all the crap at the beginning of dvd's, and even
    > the "fast play" options have some of this dreck. So to start all dvd's I
    > always go to scene selection first thing, and then choose scene 1. Works,
    > but it can be problematic: The DVD player I had (as well as my current $32
    > memorex cheapy) complain about the stuff at the beginning being
    > interrupted sometimes. I get that no-can-do icon of a circle with a slash
    > through it /sometimes/ when I try to hit stop, and often when I hit the
    > main menu button mid play.
    >
    > It should be possible to override this, and have the stop and menu buttons
    > immediately obeyed no? Or does the dvd itself come with some sort of
    > programming that is obeyed by the dvd players that prevents this?


    Yep, its the DVD itself that prevents you from the full viewing of the FBI
    warning and similar garbage before it will allow navigation to the menu. I
    doubt most players have the ability to override this function.

    R / John
    John Carrier, Jul 26, 2007
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  4. On Wed, 25 Jul 2007 20:10:28 -0500, "John Carrier" <>
    wrote:

    >
    >"Thomas G. Marshall" <>
    >wrote in message news:eek:HQpi.4706$Gs4.1905@trndny05...
    >>
    >> I need an inexpensive dvd player.
    >>
    >> But I'm also sick to death of dvd players telling me that I cannot go to
    >> the main menu whenever I want.
    >>
    >> *Are there any dvd players which have this capability* ?
    >>
    >> Example: I like to bypass all the crap at the beginning of dvd's, and even
    >> the "fast play" options have some of this dreck. So to start all dvd's I
    >> always go to scene selection first thing, and then choose scene 1. Works,
    >> but it can be problematic: The DVD player I had (as well as my current $32
    >> memorex cheapy) complain about the stuff at the beginning being
    >> interrupted sometimes. I get that no-can-do icon of a circle with a slash
    >> through it /sometimes/ when I try to hit stop, and often when I hit the
    >> main menu button mid play.
    >>
    >> It should be possible to override this, and have the stop and menu buttons
    >> immediately obeyed no? Or does the dvd itself come with some sort of
    >> programming that is obeyed by the dvd players that prevents this?

    >
    >Yep, its the DVD itself that prevents you from the full viewing of the FBI
    >warning and similar garbage before it will allow navigation to the menu. I
    >doubt most players have the ability to override this function.
    >
    >R / John
    >



    Such a unit cannot even be legally marketed with the DVD logo on it.

    I am quite sure that someone would be able to hack the firmware to
    ignore the flags included on each title, however.

    To skip the FBI warning, which appears when one presses "Play" on most
    titles (some titles, it is the first thing up, and cannot be skipped),
    all one needs to do is to use the "scene selection" sub menu and select
    the first scene. It jumps right into the movie.
    Spurious Response, Jul 26, 2007
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  5. Re: ARG!! Need DVD player that both STOPS and goes to MENU "wheneverI want"

    Thomas G. Marshall wrote:
    > I need an inexpensive dvd player.
    >
    > But I'm also sick to death of dvd players telling me that I cannot go to the
    > main menu whenever I want.
    >
    > *Are there any dvd players which have this capability* ?
    >
    > Example: I like to bypass all the crap at the beginning of dvd's, and even
    > the "fast play" options have some of this dreck. So to start all dvd's I
    > always go to scene selection first thing, and then choose scene 1. Works,
    > but it can be problematic: The DVD player I had (as well as my current $32
    > memorex cheapy) complain about the stuff at the beginning being interrupted
    > sometimes. I get that no-can-do icon of a circle with a slash through it
    > /sometimes/ when I try to hit stop, and often when I hit the main menu
    > button mid play.
    >
    > It should be possible to override this, and have the stop and menu buttons
    > immediately obeyed no? Or does the dvd itself come with some sort of
    > programming that is obeyed by the dvd players that prevents this?


    Thomas, if the Menu button doesn't work in that instance, try the
    Chapter Forward button. That often does the trick for me.

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    Geena Phillips, Jul 26, 2007
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  6. Spurious Response said something like:
    > On Wed, 25 Jul 2007 20:10:28 -0500, "John Carrier" <>
    > wrote:
    >
    >>
    >> "Thomas G. Marshall"
    >> <>
    >> wrote in message news:eek:HQpi.4706$Gs4.1905@trndny05...
    >>>
    >>> I need an inexpensive dvd player.
    >>>
    >>> But I'm also sick to death of dvd players telling me that I cannot go to
    >>> the main menu whenever I want.
    >>>
    >>> *Are there any dvd players which have this capability* ?
    >>>
    >>> Example: I like to bypass all the crap at the beginning of dvd's, and
    >>> even
    >>> the "fast play" options have some of this dreck. So to start all dvd's
    >>> I
    >>> always go to scene selection first thing, and then choose scene 1.
    >>> Works,
    >>> but it can be problematic: The DVD player I had (as well as my current
    >>> $32
    >>> memorex cheapy) complain about the stuff at the beginning being
    >>> interrupted sometimes. I get that no-can-do icon of a circle with a
    >>> slash
    >>> through it /sometimes/ when I try to hit stop, and often when I hit the
    >>> main menu button mid play.
    >>>
    >>> It should be possible to override this, and have the stop and menu
    >>> buttons
    >>> immediately obeyed no? Or does the dvd itself come with some sort of
    >>> programming that is obeyed by the dvd players that prevents this?

    >>
    >> Yep, its the DVD itself that prevents you from the full viewing of the
    >> FBI
    >> warning and similar garbage before it will allow navigation to the menu.
    >> I
    >> doubt most players have the ability to override this function.
    >>
    >> R / John
    >>

    >
    >
    > Such a unit cannot even be legally marketed with the DVD logo on it.
    >
    > I am quite sure that someone would be able to hack the firmware to
    > ignore the flags included on each title, however.
    >
    > To skip the FBI warning, which appears when one presses "Play" on most
    > titles (some titles, it is the first thing up, and cannot be skipped),
    > all one needs to do is to use the "scene selection" sub menu and select
    > the first scene. It jumps right into the movie.


    Yep, I pointed out that this is what I do. HOWEVER, there is a goofy thing
    where on both DVD players, when I insert the disk it starts it's auto-play
    or whatever, and even after its loaded up there is no obeying of the "stop"
    or "menu" keys. At least sporatically.....I haven't yet fault-isolated this
    properly to determine just what causes what, other than to say that all of
    this causes me grief :)



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    Thomas G. Marshall, Jul 26, 2007
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  7. Dave Bugg said something like:
    > Thomas G. Marshall wrote:
    >
    >> I need an inexpensive dvd player.
    >>
    >> But I'm also sick to death of dvd players telling me that I cannot go
    >> to the main menu whenever I want.
    >>
    >> *Are there any dvd players which have this capability* ?

    >
    > Lots.
    >
    >> ........The DVD player I had (as
    >> well as my current $32 memorex cheapy) complain about the stuff at
    >> the beginning being interrupted sometimes.

    >
    > You can get dirt cheap with limited functionality, or moderate priced with
    > a
    > lot of functions. Low price means there will be a trade-off in both
    > functionality and performance.


    Can you name a DVD player that you think can override the programming on the
    DVD like I'm asking? It would be a great help. The others here seem to
    think that this is impossible.


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    up, simply do not respond.
    Thomas G. Marshall, Jul 26, 2007
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  8. "Spurious Response" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > On Wed, 25 Jul 2007 20:10:28 -0500, "John Carrier" <>
    > wrote:


    ....[rip]...

    >>Yep, its the DVD itself that prevents you from the full viewing of the FBI
    >>warning and similar garbage before it will allow navigation to the menu.
    >>I
    >>doubt most players have the ability to override this function.
    >>
    >>R / John

    >
    >
    > Such a unit cannot even be legally marketed with the DVD logo on it.
    >
    > I am quite sure that someone would be able to hack the firmware to
    > ignore the flags included on each title, however.


    ....[rip]...

    I'm wondering if we wouldn't someday see a 2nd tier manufacturer (say deep
    within korea) market a non-dvd dvd compatible player with such abilities...
    Thomas G. Marshall, Jul 26, 2007
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  9. Thomas G. Marshall

    Stan Brown Guest

    Wed, 25 Jul 2007 22:48:45 -0700 from Spurious Response
    <>:
    > To skip the FBI warning, which appears when one presses "Play" on most
    > titles (some titles, it is the first thing up, and cannot be skipped),
    > all one needs to do is to use the "scene selection" sub menu and select
    > the first scene. It jumps right into the movie.


    "Spurious response" is right. That works on som discs and some
    players.

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    Stan Brown, Jul 27, 2007
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  10. Thomas G. Marshall

    mykey Guest

    Re: ARG!! Need DVD player that both STOPS and goes to MENU "whenever I want"

    the majority of these problems you mention are
    being loaded by the DVD itself, not in the player
    to start with. Certain DVD disk manufacturers will
    allow skipping the previews, etc...
    some others will force you to watch the previews,
    etc...before being allowed to see the movie.
    DVD drives for PC allow a little more flexibility
    since you have a choice of software and some allow
    opening the menu at any time, even when the DVD is playing.
    But the answer to the question "is there a player?" that bypasses
    all this rubbish is "no".
    the player obeys the instructions loaded by the disk when
    the disk is booted. to eliminate that you gotta change the
    instructions on the disk, movie vendors are not going to
    do that since they want to force you to watch previews, etc...
    but i can't blame you for being pissed at these features
    i have often wished for the same thing you are talking about.
    mykey, Jul 27, 2007
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  11. Re: ARG!! Need DVD player that both STOPS and goes to MENU "whenever I want"

    "mykey" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > the majority of these problems you mention are
    > being loaded by the DVD itself, not in the player
    > to start with. Certain DVD disk manufacturers will
    > allow skipping the previews, etc...
    > some others will force you to watch the previews,
    > etc...before being allowed to see the movie.
    > DVD drives for PC allow a little more flexibility
    > since you have a choice of software and some allow
    > opening the menu at any time, even when the DVD is playing.
    > But the answer to the question "is there a player?" that bypasses
    > all this rubbish is "no".
    > the player obeys the instructions loaded by the disk when
    > the disk is booted. to eliminate that you gotta change the
    > instructions on the disk, movie vendors are not going to
    > do that since they want to force you to watch previews, etc...
    > but i can't blame you for being pissed at these features
    > i have often wished for the same thing you are talking about.


    In my original post I conjectured as much, but as a software engineer I
    still see no reason that the hardware couldn't always honor stop and menu,
    aside from willful licensing constraints, REGARDLESS of what instructions it
    is "executing" off the dvd.
    Thomas G. Marshall, Jul 27, 2007
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  12. On Thu, 26 Jul 2007 12:16:22 GMT, "Thomas G. Marshall"
    <> wrote:

    >Yep, I pointed out that this is what I do. HOWEVER, there is a goofy thing
    >where on both DVD players, when I insert the disk it starts it's auto-play
    >or whatever, and even after its loaded up there is no obeying of the "stop"
    >or "menu" keys. At least sporatically.....I haven't yet fault-isolated this
    >properly to determine just what causes what, other than to say that all of
    >this causes me grief :)
    >


    Studio by studio.

    Warner titles autostart, for one.

    That monster sig block attention problem you have is more than a little
    annoying.

    Do you always deliberately ignore convention?

    I mean really. Normally that's what you accuse me of.
    Spurious Response, Jul 27, 2007
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  13. On Thu, 26 Jul 2007 19:13:55 GMT, "Thomas G. Marshall"
    <> wrote:

    >
    >"Spurious Response" <> wrote in message
    >news:...
    >> On Wed, 25 Jul 2007 20:10:28 -0500, "John Carrier" <>
    >> wrote:

    >
    >...[rip]...
    >
    >>>Yep, its the DVD itself that prevents you from the full viewing of the FBI
    >>>warning and similar garbage before it will allow navigation to the menu.
    >>>I
    >>>doubt most players have the ability to override this function.
    >>>
    >>>R / John

    >>
    >>
    >> Such a unit cannot even be legally marketed with the DVD logo on it.
    >>
    >> I am quite sure that someone would be able to hack the firmware to
    >> ignore the flags included on each title, however.

    >
    >...[rip]...
    >
    >I'm wondering if we wouldn't someday see a 2nd tier manufacturer (say deep
    >within korea) market a non-dvd dvd compatible player with such abilities...
    >

    Money is money, right?
    Spurious Response, Jul 27, 2007
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  14. Re: ARG!! Need DVD player that both STOPS and goes to MENU "whenever I want"

    On Thu, 26 Jul 2007 18:54:40 -0700, mykey <> wrote:

    >the majority of these problems you mention are
    >being loaded by the DVD itself, not in the player
    >to start with. Certain DVD disk manufacturers will
    >allow skipping the previews, etc...
    >some others will force you to watch the previews,
    >etc...before being allowed to see the movie.



    It is the DVD player, however, that follows those instructions to
    "play" those tracks. ALWAYS. So it is the DVD player that one would
    modify to gain control over such "programming".

    Plain and simple.

    Flag for FBI warning.

    Flag for Macrovision enabling, which is ALSO a DVD player inserted
    "video adjustment".

    Said "flags" are "programming" cues, which are the very first thing the
    PLAYER loads when it spools up the DVD.
    Spurious Response, Jul 27, 2007
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  15. Re: ARG!! Need DVD player that both STOPS and goes to MENU "whenever I want"

    On Thu, 26 Jul 2007 18:54:40 -0700, mykey <> wrote:

    >the player obeys the instructions loaded by the disk when
    >the disk is booted.



    Operating Systems are "booted". A DVD has code which is LOADED.
    Boot is the wrong term. The player's OS "boots" when the player is
    turned on.
    Spurious Response, Jul 27, 2007
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  16. Re: ARG!! Need DVD player that both STOPS and goes to MENU "whenever I want"

    On Thu, 26 Jul 2007 18:54:40 -0700, mykey <> wrote:

    > to eliminate that you gotta change the
    >instructions on the disk, movie vendors are not going to
    >do that since they want to force you to watch previews, etc...



    No. To eliminate that, one must change the firmware in the player such
    that skipping certain cues loaded at disc insertion can be performed.

    It IS possible.
    Spurious Response, Jul 27, 2007
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  17. Thomas G. Marshall

    Rich Clark Guest

    Re: ARG!! Need DVD player that both STOPS and goes to MENU "whenever I want"

    "Spurious Response" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > On Thu, 26 Jul 2007 18:54:40 -0700, mykey <> wrote:
    >
    >> to eliminate that you gotta change the
    >>instructions on the disk, movie vendors are not going to
    >>do that since they want to force you to watch previews, etc...

    >
    >
    > No. To eliminate that, one must change the firmware in the player such
    > that skipping certain cues loaded at disc insertion can be performed.
    >
    > It IS possible.


    Yes, it is. However, to use the DVD logotypes on their products a
    manufacturer must certify compliance with the spec, which prohibits such
    workarounds. That's why you rarely find them in players from major
    international brand names, but instead only in China-manufactured off-brand
    players, or in aftermarket hacks.

    r
    Rich Clark, Jul 27, 2007
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  18. Re: ARG!! Need DVD player that both STOPS and goes to MENU "whenever I want"

    On Fri, 27 Jul 2007 12:43:33 -0400, "Rich Clark"
    <> wrote:

    >
    >"Spurious Response" <> wrote in message
    >news:...
    >> On Thu, 26 Jul 2007 18:54:40 -0700, mykey <> wrote:
    >>
    >>> to eliminate that you gotta change the
    >>>instructions on the disk, movie vendors are not going to
    >>>do that since they want to force you to watch previews, etc...

    >>
    >>
    >> No. To eliminate that, one must change the firmware in the player such
    >> that skipping certain cues loaded at disc insertion can be performed.
    >>
    >> It IS possible.

    >
    >Yes, it is. However, to use the DVD logotypes on their products a
    >manufacturer must certify compliance with the spec, which prohibits such
    >workarounds.


    I ALREADY stated that. Learn to read a thread, BEFORE you spew
    "information" that has already been mentioned.

    >That's why you rarely find them in players from major
    >international brand names, but instead only in China-manufactured off-brand
    >players, or in aftermarket hacks.


    No shit?
    Spurious Response, Jul 28, 2007
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  19. Thomas G. Marshall

    Jordan Guest

    Re: ARG!! Need DVD player that both STOPS and goes to MENU "whenever I want"

    On Jul 25, 4:05 pm, "Thomas G. Marshall"
    <> wrote:

    > But I'm also sick to death of dvd players telling me that I cannot go to the
    > main menu whenever I want.


    It's not the player, it's the disc over-riding the players capability.

    The only way around it that I know is to rip the DVD and re-burn it
    without the offending menus.

    - Jordan
    Jordan, Jul 28, 2007
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  20. Thomas G. Marshall

    Rich Clark Guest

    Re: ARG!! Need DVD player that both STOPS and goes to MENU "whenever I want"

    "Spurious Response" <> wrote in message
    news:...

    >>Yes, it is. However, to use the DVD logotypes on their products a
    >>manufacturer must certify compliance with the spec, which prohibits such
    >>workarounds.

    >
    > I ALREADY stated that. Learn to read a thread, BEFORE you spew
    > "information" that has already been mentioned.
    >
    >>That's why you rarely find them in players from major
    >>international brand names, but instead only in China-manufactured
    >>off-brand
    >>players, or in aftermarket hacks.

    >
    > No shit?


    I bow before your superior assholiness.

    r
    Rich Clark, Jul 28, 2007
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