Arachnid Experts (Spiders for the rest of you)

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  1. Collector€NZ, Feb 18, 2008
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    Nik Coughlin Guest

    Nik Coughlin, Feb 18, 2008
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  4. Nik Coughlin wrote:
    > "Collector€NZ" <> wrote in message
    > news:47b9104c$...
    >> Found a nice big (Big for NZ) spider in the garden, it would sit
    >> comfortably on an old style fifty cent with its legs hanging a little
    >> over the side.
    >>
    >> Here it is here
    >> http://picasaweb.google.com/collector.NZ/Animals/photo#5168173716512131026
    >>
    >>
    >> Can anyone with some knowledge Identify it for me?

    >
    > Looks a bit like one of these:
    > http://www.usq.edu.au/spider/find/spiders/534.htm
    >
    > Disclaimer: IANAA

    Actually found it, have captioned it and added a few more of my animal
    images up there
     
    Collector€NZ, Feb 18, 2008
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  5. Collector€NZ

    Jerry Guest

    Collector€NZ wrote:
    > Collector€NZ wrote:
    >> Found a nice big (Big for NZ) spider in the garden, it would sit
    >> comfortably on an old style fifty cent with its legs hanging a little
    >> over the side.
    >>
    >> Here it is here
    >> http://picasaweb.google.com/collector.NZ/Animals/photo#5168173716512131026
    >>
    >>
    >> Can anyone with some knowledge Identify it for me?

    > Opps wrong target group


    That's OK, is it running Windows, Linix or OSX? :p
     
    Jerry, Feb 18, 2008
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  6. Jerry wrote:
    > Collector€NZ wrote:
    >> Collector€NZ wrote:
    >>> Found a nice big (Big for NZ) spider in the garden, it would sit
    >>> comfortably on an old style fifty cent with its legs hanging a little
    >>> over the side.
    >>>
    >>> Here it is here
    >>> http://picasaweb.google.com/collector.NZ/Animals/photo#5168173716512131026
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> Can anyone with some knowledge Identify it for me?

    >> Opps wrong target group

    >
    > That's OK, is it running Windows, Linix or OSX? :p

    Actually its a new OS from Google
     
    Collector€NZ, Feb 18, 2008
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  7. Collector€NZ

    ~misfit~ Guest

    Somewhere on teh intarweb "Collector€NZ" typed:
    > Nik Coughlin wrote:
    >> "Collector€NZ" <> wrote in message
    >> news:47b9104c$...
    >>> Found a nice big (Big for NZ) spider in the garden, it would sit
    >>> comfortably on an old style fifty cent with its legs hanging a
    >>> little over the side.
    >>>
    >>> Here it is here
    >>> http://picasaweb.google.com/collector.NZ/Animals/photo#5168173716512131026
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> Can anyone with some knowledge Identify it for me?

    >>
    >> Looks a bit like one of these:
    >> http://www.usq.edu.au/spider/find/spiders/534.htm
    >>
    >> Disclaimer: IANAA

    > Actually found it, have captioned it and added a few more of my animal
    > images up there


    Can you find this one? I discovered it on my tomato plants a couple weks
    ago.

    http://community.webshots.com/album/562539939STXSUd

    Cheers,
    --
    Shaun.
     
    ~misfit~, Feb 19, 2008
    #7
  8. ~misfit~ wrote:
    > Somewhere on teh intarweb "Collector�NZ" typed:
    >> Nik Coughlin wrote:
    >>> "Collector�NZ" <> wrote in message
    >>> news:47b9104c$...
    >>>> Found a nice big (Big for NZ) spider in the garden, it would sit
    >>>> comfortably on an old style fifty cent with its legs hanging a
    >>>> little over the side.
    >>>>
    >>>> Here it is here
    >>>> http://picasaweb.google.com/collector.NZ/Animals/photo#5168173716512131026
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> Can anyone with some knowledge Identify it for me?
    >>> Looks a bit like one of these:
    >>> http://www.usq.edu.au/spider/find/spiders/534.htm
    >>>
    >>> Disclaimer: IANAA

    >> Actually found it, have captioned it and added a few more of my animal
    >> images up there

    >
    > Can you find this one? I discovered it on my tomato plants a couple weks
    > ago.
    >
    > http://community.webshots.com/album/562539939STXSUd


    Cool, never knew about those before.

    A pseudoscorpion had me out of my bed very quickly a while back.

    Weird for a spider.
     
    Mark Robinson, Feb 19, 2008
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  9. Collector€NZ

    ~misfit~ Guest

    Somewhere on teh intarweb "Mark Robinson" typed:
    > ~misfit~ wrote:
    >> Somewhere on teh intarweb "Collector?NZ" typed:
    >>> Nik Coughlin wrote:
    >>>> "Collector?NZ" <> wrote in message
    >>>> news:47b9104c$...
    >>>>> Found a nice big (Big for NZ) spider in the garden, it would sit
    >>>>> comfortably on an old style fifty cent with its legs hanging a
    >>>>> little over the side.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Here it is here
    >>>>> http://picasaweb.google.com/collector.NZ/Animals/photo#5168173716512131026
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Can anyone with some knowledge Identify it for me?
    >>>> Looks a bit like one of these:
    >>>> http://www.usq.edu.au/spider/find/spiders/534.htm
    >>>>
    >>>> Disclaimer: IANAA
    >>> Actually found it, have captioned it and added a few more of my
    >>> animal images up there

    >>
    >> Can you find this one? I discovered it on my tomato plants a couple
    >> weeks ago.
    >>
    >> http://community.webshots.com/album/562539939STXSUd

    >
    > Cool, never knew about those before.


    Me either.

    > A pseudoscorpion had me out of my bed very quickly a while back.
    >
    > Weird for a spider.


    I've only ever seen a tiny one of those in NZ. I've added a pic of it (and a
    couple other spiders) to that album I created:

    http://community.webshots.com/album/562539939STXSUd

    How big was the pseudoscorpion that you saw? I take it that it was in NZ?
    The one in my pic is only a couple mm long. It's on a 2l milk container if
    that gives any indication of scale.

    I recently bought an end-of-line Canon A460 as it does better macro than my
    old (but still good) A70. I find that a lot of my pics are of small things
    so wanted better macro capability. The A70 would focus down to about 3cm.
    The A460 will go to 1cm. Also 3.2 MP and 5.0 MP respectively.

    Cheers,
    --
    Shaun.
     
    ~misfit~, Feb 19, 2008
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  10. ~misfit~ wrote:
    > Somewhere on teh intarweb "Mark Robinson" typed:
    >> ~misfit~ wrote:
    >>> Somewhere on teh intarweb "Collector?NZ" typed:
    >>>> Nik Coughlin wrote:
    >>>>> "Collector?NZ" <> wrote in message
    >>>>> news:47b9104c$...
    >>>>>> Found a nice big (Big for NZ) spider in the garden, it would sit
    >>>>>> comfortably on an old style fifty cent with its legs hanging a
    >>>>>> little over the side.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> Here it is here
    >>>>>> http://picasaweb.google.com/collector.NZ/Animals/photo#5168173716512131026
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> Can anyone with some knowledge Identify it for me?
    >>>>> Looks a bit like one of these:
    >>>>> http://www.usq.edu.au/spider/find/spiders/534.htm
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Disclaimer: IANAA
    >>>> Actually found it, have captioned it and added a few more of my
    >>>> animal images up there
    >>> Can you find this one? I discovered it on my tomato plants a couple
    >>> weeks ago.
    >>>
    >>> http://community.webshots.com/album/562539939STXSUd

    >> Cool, never knew about those before.

    >
    > Me either.
    >
    >> A pseudoscorpion had me out of my bed very quickly a while back.
    >>
    >> Weird for a spider.

    >
    > I've only ever seen a tiny one of those in NZ. I've added a pic of it (and a
    > couple other spiders) to that album I created:
    >
    > http://community.webshots.com/album/562539939STXSUd
    >
    > How big was the pseudoscorpion that you saw? I take it that it was in NZ?
    > The one in my pic is only a couple mm long. It's on a 2l milk container if
    > that gives any indication of scale.
    >
    > I recently bought an end-of-line Canon A460 as it does better macro than my
    > old (but still good) A70. I find that a lot of my pics are of small things
    > so wanted better macro capability. The A70 would focus down to about 3cm.
    > The A460 will go to 1cm. Also 3.2 MP and 5.0 MP respectively.


    It was in Kapiti and similarly small.

    Lacking a camera with any macro capability I scanned the poor sod.

    http://zl2tod.net/~mark/pseudoscorpion.html
     
    Mark Robinson, Feb 19, 2008
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  11. Collector€NZ

    Bret Guest

    On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 11:07:31 +1300, ~misfit~ wrote:

    > I've only ever seen a tiny one of those in NZ. I've added a pic of it (and a
    > couple other spiders) to that album I created:
    >
    > http://community.webshots.com/album/562539939STXSUd


    You do realise No.7 is a whitetail?
     
    Bret, Feb 19, 2008
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  12. Collector€NZ

    ~misfit~ Guest

    Somewhere on teh intarweb "Bret" typed:
    > On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 11:07:31 +1300, ~misfit~ wrote:
    >
    >> I've only ever seen a tiny one of those in NZ. I've added a pic of
    >> it (and a couple other spiders) to that album I created:
    >>
    >> http://community.webshots.com/album/562539939STXSUd

    >
    > You do realise No.7 is a whitetail?


    Yep. I get quite a few around here. Nasty buggers.
    --
    Shaun.
     
    ~misfit~, Feb 20, 2008
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  13. On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 11:26:51 +1300, Mark Robinson
    <2tod.net> wrote in
    <news:2tod.net>:

    > ~misfit~ wrote:
    >> Somewhere on teh intarweb "Mark Robinson" typed:
    >>> ~misfit~ wrote:
    >>>> Somewhere on teh intarweb "Collector?NZ" typed:
    >>>>> Nik Coughlin wrote:
    >>>>>> "Collector?NZ" <> wrote in message
    >>>>>> news:47b9104c$...
    >>>>>>> Found a nice big (Big for NZ) spider in the garden, it would sit
    >>>>>>> comfortably on an old style fifty cent with its legs hanging a
    >>>>>>> little over the side.
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> Here it is here
    >>>>>>> http://picasaweb.google.com/collector.NZ/Animals/photo#5168173716512131026
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> Can anyone with some knowledge Identify it for me?
    >>>>>> Looks a bit like one of these:
    >>>>>> http://www.usq.edu.au/spider/find/spiders/534.htm
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> Disclaimer: IANAA
    >>>>> Actually found it, have captioned it and added a few more of my
    >>>>> animal images up there
    >>>> Can you find this one? I discovered it on my tomato plants a couple
    >>>> weeks ago.
    >>>>
    >>>> http://community.webshots.com/album/562539939STXSUd
    >>> Cool, never knew about those before.

    >>
    >> Me either.
    >>
    >>> A pseudoscorpion had me out of my bed very quickly a while back.
    >>>
    >>> Weird for a spider.

    >>
    >> I've only ever seen a tiny one of those in NZ. I've added a pic of it (and a
    >> couple other spiders) to that album I created:
    >>
    >> http://community.webshots.com/album/562539939STXSUd
    >>
    >> How big was the pseudoscorpion that you saw? I take it that it was in NZ?
    >> The one in my pic is only a couple mm long. It's on a 2l milk container if
    >> that gives any indication of scale.
    >>
    >> I recently bought an end-of-line Canon A460 as it does better macro than my
    >> old (but still good) A70. I find that a lot of my pics are of small things
    >> so wanted better macro capability. The A70 would focus down to about 3cm.
    >> The A460 will go to 1cm. Also 3.2 MP and 5.0 MP respectively.

    >
    > It was in Kapiti and similarly small.
    >
    > Lacking a camera with any macro capability I scanned the poor sod.
    >
    > http://zl2tod.net/~mark/pseudoscorpion.html


    Small or not, the bugger would have me doing a lot more than getting out
    of bed in a hurry!

    --
    Nicolaas, prime arachnophobe.


    .... Feeling good? Don't worry, you'll get over it. I did!
     
    Nicolaas Hawkins, Feb 20, 2008
    #13
  14. On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 12:57:25 +1300, Bret <> wrote in
    <news:>:

    > On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 11:07:31 +1300, ~misfit~ wrote:
    >
    >> I've only ever seen a tiny one of those in NZ. I've added a pic of it (and a
    >> couple other spiders) to that album I created:
    >>
    >> http://community.webshots.com/album/562539939STXSUd

    >
    > You do realise No.7 is a whitetail?


    Could it be that is why it is so labelled?

    --
    Nicolaas.


    .... Be more or less specific.
     
    Nicolaas Hawkins, Feb 20, 2008
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  15. Collector€NZ

    Bret Guest

    On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 13:38:46 +1300, Nicolaas Hawkins wrote:

    > On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 12:57:25 +1300, Bret <> wrote in
    > <news:>:
    >
    >> On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 11:07:31 +1300, ~misfit~ wrote:
    >>
    >>> I've only ever seen a tiny one of those in NZ. I've added a pic of it (and a
    >>> couple other spiders) to that album I created:
    >>>
    >>> http://community.webshots.com/album/562539939STXSUd

    >>
    >> You do realise No.7 is a whitetail?

    >
    > Could it be that is why it is so labelled?


    Was it?
    I didn't see it if it was :)
     
    Bret, Feb 20, 2008
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  16. Collector€NZ

    Nik Coughlin Guest

    Re: OT Re: Arachnid Experts (Spiders for the rest of you)

    "Bruce Sinclair" <> wrote
    in message news:fpg9af$r4q$...
    > In article <47bb7172$>, "~misfit~"
    > <> wrote:
    >>Somewhere on teh intarweb "Bret" typed:
    >>> On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 11:07:31 +1300, ~misfit~ wrote:
    >>>
    >>>> I've only ever seen a tiny one of those in NZ. I've added a pic of
    >>>> it (and a couple other spiders) to that album I created:
    >>>>
    >>>> http://community.webshots.com/album/562539939STXSUd
    >>>
    >>> You do realise No.7 is a whitetail?

    >>
    >>Yep. I get quite a few around here. Nasty buggers.

    >
    > Why nasty ? I've heard a lot of appocryphal (sp ?) stuff ... but have seen
    > zero data to support this reputation. Have you any tales to share ? :)
    > they ahve a bad press .. but that doesn't make them "nasty".


    "There has been some media coverage in Australia and New Zealand in recent
    years about alleged White-tailed spider bites, but much of the information
    has been highly inaccurate. Describing the spider as "poisonous" is not
    correct, while links to necrotising arachnidism (where the flesh starts to
    die as a result of an infection in the bite) are also tenuous"

    http://www.landcareresearch.co.nz/research/biosystematics/invertebrates/spiders/white_tail.asp

    Short link:
    http://tinyurl.com/28qtb2


    The bites *are* painful though and they do tend to blister.
     
    Nik Coughlin, Feb 20, 2008
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  17. OT Re: Arachnid Experts (Spiders for the rest of you)

    In article <47bb7172$>, "~misfit~" <> wrote:
    >Somewhere on teh intarweb "Bret" typed:
    >> On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 11:07:31 +1300, ~misfit~ wrote:
    >>
    >>> I've only ever seen a tiny one of those in NZ. I've added a pic of
    >>> it (and a couple other spiders) to that album I created:
    >>>
    >>> http://community.webshots.com/album/562539939STXSUd

    >>
    >> You do realise No.7 is a whitetail?

    >
    >Yep. I get quite a few around here. Nasty buggers.


    Why nasty ? I've heard a lot of appocryphal (sp ?) stuff ... but have seen
    zero data to support this reputation. Have you any tales to share ? :)
    they ahve a bad press .. but that doesn't make them "nasty".
     
    Bruce Sinclair, Feb 20, 2008
    #17
  18. Collector€NZ

    ~misfit~ Guest

    Re: OT Re: Arachnid Experts (Spiders for the rest of you)

    Somewhere on teh intarweb "Bruce Sinclair" typed:
    > In article <47bb7172$>, "~misfit~"
    > <> wrote:
    >> Somewhere on teh intarweb "Bret" typed:
    >>> On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 11:07:31 +1300, ~misfit~ wrote:
    >>>
    >>>> I've only ever seen a tiny one of those in NZ. I've added a pic of
    >>>> it (and a couple other spiders) to that album I created:
    >>>>
    >>>> http://community.webshots.com/album/562539939STXSUd
    >>>
    >>> You do realise No.7 is a whitetail?

    >>
    >> Yep. I get quite a few around here. Nasty buggers.

    >
    > Why nasty ? I've heard a lot of appocryphal (sp ?) stuff ... but have
    > seen
    > zero data to support this reputation. Have you any tales to share ? :)
    > they ahve a bad press .. but that doesn't make them "nasty".


    Yes, I have a "tale" to share. My nephew, now 27, was bitten on the elbow by
    a White Tail Spider when he was about 14 or so. (I can't say for sure how
    old but if you like I can email him and ask.) At first the bitten area just
    went red. Then, IIRC the next day, it spread to a 10cm circle around the
    bite, being slightly redder at the centre. He said that it ached and itched
    more than stung. Day three saw blisters, mostly at the centre but smaller
    ones further out.

    After a week or so the blisters went and the redness turned to grey, which
    slowly turned to blackish at the centre. This was the first time I'd ever
    heard of "necrotising fasciatus", from a doctor, although that term is used
    differently these days. The skin was yielding and, when pressed, stayed
    depressed. (The only thing I've seen similar was the aftermath of a huge
    "grease boil" I got when I was working as a wool presser with a shearing
    gang.) He was in a lot of pain, especially when bending his elbow.

    Long story short, doctors tried lots of different antibiotics and other
    antimicrobials on him but I don't know if anything actually helped. It took
    around 18 months to heal although he experienced pain for probably another
    year. Doctors didn't know much about White Tails then, there was
    correspondence with Australian spider-bite specialists over my nephews case.
    White Tails were fairly rare in NZ at the time IIRC. Now I see several a
    year, all of which are killed, sometimes after being photographed. Last time
    I saw my nephew 8 years ago (he lives in Aussie now) there was still a scar
    on his elbow.

    I tolerate all other spiders, in fact I've let them live unmolested in a few
    areas of my house* as biological fly and mosquito control. However, after
    seeing what happened to my nephew White Tails are not tolerated.

    *I hear that White Tails eat other spiders. I've heard it said that, if you
    have other spiders in your house, there's not likely to be White tails
    around. However, it seems that in a situation where there are a *lot* of
    other spiders in the area it may attract White Tails.
    --
    Shaun.
     
    ~misfit~, Feb 20, 2008
    #18
  19. Re: OT Re: Arachnid Experts (Spiders for the rest of you)

    In article <fpgajk$v0n$>, "Nik Coughlin" <> wrote:
    >"Bruce Sinclair" <> wrote
    >in message news:fpg9af$r4q$...
    >> In article <47bb7172$>, "~misfit~"
    >> <> wrote:
    >>>Somewhere on teh intarweb "Bret" typed:
    >>>> On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 11:07:31 +1300, ~misfit~ wrote:
    >>>>
    >>>>> I've only ever seen a tiny one of those in NZ. I've added a pic of
    >>>>> it (and a couple other spiders) to that album I created:
    >>>>>
    >>>>> http://community.webshots.com/album/562539939STXSUd
    >>>>
    >>>> You do realise No.7 is a whitetail?
    >>>Yep. I get quite a few around here. Nasty buggers.

    >>
    >> Why nasty ? I've heard a lot of appocryphal (sp ?) stuff ... but have seen
    >> zero data to support this reputation. Have you any tales to share ? :)
    >> they ahve a bad press .. but that doesn't make them "nasty".

    >
    >"There has been some media coverage in Australia and New Zealand in recent
    >years about alleged White-tailed spider bites, but much of the information
    >has been highly inaccurate. Describing the spider as "poisonous" is not
    >correct, while links to necrotising arachnidism (where the flesh starts to
    >die as a result of an infection in the bite) are also tenuous"
    >
    >http://www.landcareresearch.co.nz/research/biosystematics/invertebrates/spiders
    >/white_tail.asp
    >
    >Short link:
    >http://tinyurl.com/28qtb2
    >The bites *are* painful though and they do tend to blister.


    Are you suggesting that, maybe because we don't have anything *really*
    poisonous, that we are 'talking up' anything that's close ? Perhaps we could
    rephrase that as media hype ? :)

    For me, the 'nasty' label belongs to the ground dwelling spider (some kind
    of trap door spider) that I watched come out of his hole, run across about 1
    m of ground, bite someone (else ! :) ) ... then scuttle back to his hole.
    That's what I call a nasty attitude ! :)
     
    Bruce Sinclair, Feb 21, 2008
    #19
  20. Collector€NZ

    Jerry Guest

    Re: OT Re: Arachnid Experts (Spiders for the rest of you)

    Bruce Sinclair wrote:
    > In article <fpgajk$v0n$>, "Nik Coughlin" <> wrote:
    >> "Bruce Sinclair" <> wrote
    >> in message news:fpg9af$r4q$...
    >>> In article <47bb7172$>, "~misfit~"
    >>> <> wrote:
    >>>> Somewhere on teh intarweb "Bret" typed:
    >>>>> On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 11:07:31 +1300, ~misfit~ wrote:
    >>>>>
    >>>>>> I've only ever seen a tiny one of those in NZ. I've added a pic of
    >>>>>> it (and a couple other spiders) to that album I created:
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> http://community.webshots.com/album/562539939STXSUd
    >>>>> You do realise No.7 is a whitetail?
    >>>> Yep. I get quite a few around here. Nasty buggers.
    >>> Why nasty ? I've heard a lot of appocryphal (sp ?) stuff ... but have seen
    >>> zero data to support this reputation. Have you any tales to share ? :)
    >>> they ahve a bad press .. but that doesn't make them "nasty".

    >> "There has been some media coverage in Australia and New Zealand in recent
    >> years about alleged White-tailed spider bites, but much of the information
    >> has been highly inaccurate. Describing the spider as "poisonous" is not
    >> correct, while links to necrotising arachnidism (where the flesh starts to
    >> die as a result of an infection in the bite) are also tenuous"
    >>
    >> http://www.landcareresearch.co.nz/research/biosystematics/invertebrates/spiders
    >> /white_tail.asp
    >>
    >> Short link:
    >> http://tinyurl.com/28qtb2
    >> The bites *are* painful though and they do tend to blister.

    >
    > Are you suggesting that, maybe because we don't have anything *really*
    > poisonous, that we are 'talking up' anything that's close ? Perhaps we could
    > rephrase that as media hype ? :)
    >
    > For me, the 'nasty' label belongs to the ground dwelling spider (some kind
    > of trap door spider) that I watched come out of his hole, run across about 1
    > m of ground, bite someone (else ! :) ) ... then scuttle back to his hole.
    > That's what I call a nasty attitude ! :)
    >

    A funnel-web? Fortunately they haven't crossed the ditch yet that I
    know of. Very poiseness and aggressive from what I hear. I grew up in
    California and black widows are everywhere. They have a nasty bite, but
    the live in dark places, like your garage or in a wood pile and they
    aren't agressive.
     
    Jerry, Feb 21, 2008
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