APOLOGIES for the spam in my earlier post

Discussion in 'Digital Photography' started by Odie Ferrous, Jul 16, 2004.

  1. Odie Ferrous

    Odie Ferrous Guest

    Someone reported me to my ISP for posting an ad in this group.

    I apologise profusely; I used to frequent this newsgroup a little while
    ago, and was sure that ads were allowed, as long as they weren't posted
    daily.

    Most of my clients have come to me because they use digital cameras and
    their computers have crashed, with all their baby or family pics, and I
    have been able to help.

    Again, my apologies.


    Odie
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    RetroData
    Data Recovery Experts
    www.retrodata.co.uk
    Odie Ferrous, Jul 16, 2004
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  2. Odie Ferrous

    Steve Young Guest

    "Odie Ferrous" <odie_ferrous@at_hot_dot.mail.com> wrote in message
    news:40F7BE4D.56911759@at_hot_dot.mail.com...
    > Someone reported me to my ISP for posting an ad in this group.


    Unless you are 'in the business of' no one should have reported you, as
    our charter only forbids commercial ads, not those of hobbyists. Many rec
    groups allow and even cherish the opportunity to be given 'first look' at
    a member's item.

    Don't worry, the ISP will not act. If you have any further difficulty
    with this, please email me at: bowtie at brightdsl (dot) net.

    > I apologise profusely; I used to frequent this newsgroup a little while
    > ago, and was sure that ads were allowed, as long as they weren't posted
    > daily.


    As I said, many groups do, some here seem to think our charter was
    hijacked by the creation of the digital marketplace,... it was NOT

    > Most of my clients have come to me because they use digital cameras and
    > their computers have crashed, with all their baby or family pics, and I
    > have been able to help.
    >
    > Again, my apologies.


    you are over-reacting

    Steve Young
    Steve Young, Jul 16, 2004
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  3. Odie Ferrous

    Guest

    Kibo informs me that "Steve Young" <> stated
    that:

    >"Odie Ferrous" <odie_ferrous@at_hot_dot.mail.com> wrote in message
    >news:40F7BE4D.56911759@at_hot_dot.mail.com...
    >> Someone reported me to my ISP for posting an ad in this group.

    >
    >Unless you are 'in the business of'


    He is. The entirety of his post was an ad for his commercial business &
    was in complete violation of the charter.

    > no one should have reported you, as
    >our charter only forbids commercial ads


    Which is exactly what it was. Didn't it occur to you to read the guy's
    original post before writing a misleading post on the assumption that he
    was being bullied by the 'Dog Pack' you keep ranting about?

    >> Most of my clients have come to me because they use digital cameras and
    >> their computers have crashed, with all their baby or family pics, and I
    >> have been able to help.
    >>
    >> Again, my apologies.

    >
    >you are over-reacting


    No, he's not. He made a mistake, he paid the price, & now he's doing the
    honourable thing by apologising to the group. His apology earns him many
    points in my eyes, & I imagine that many others here feel the same way.

    --
    W
    . | ,. w , "Some people are alive only because
    \|/ \|/ it is illegal to kill them." Perna condita delenda est
    ---^----^---------------------------------------------------------------
    , Jul 16, 2004
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  4. Odie Ferrous

    Paul H. Guest

    "Odie Ferrous" <odie_ferrous@at_hot_dot.mail.com> wrote in message
    news:40F7BE4D.56911759@at_hot_dot.mail.com...
    > Someone reported me to my ISP for posting an ad in this group.
    >
    > I apologise profusely; I used to frequent this newsgroup a little while
    > ago, and was sure that ads were allowed, as long as they weren't posted
    > daily.
    >
    > Most of my clients have come to me because they use digital cameras and
    > their computers have crashed, with all their baby or family pics, and I
    > have been able to help.
    >
    > Again, my apologies.
    >
    >
    > Odie
    > --
    > NAME OF COMPANY SNIPPED
    > FUNCTION OF COMPANY SNIPPED
    > WEB ADDRESS SNIPPED


    Yeah, right. You apologize. How about apologizing for back-door commercial
    spamming committed under the guise of contrition, you sleazebag? Isn't it
    odd how your _mea culpa_ is framed with your company's name, its function,
    and its web address? I'm surprised you didn't mention puppy dogs in your
    hat-in-hand confession.

    Your so-called apology was nothing but a transparent troll for business--as
    if anyone REALLY believes your ISP got on your case for a single etiquette
    violation in a recreational newsgroup. Gee, I really hope the International
    Usenet Patrol doesn't show up on your company's doorstep! You seem like
    such a nice person.

    People like you, who would use others' goodwill and/or willingness to
    forgive as a lever for personal gain, disgust me far more than all the other
    trolls and spammers who have plagued this group over the last year. As
    your phony email moniker "Odie Ferrous" implies, you really do stink, you
    frigging loser.
    Paul H., Jul 16, 2004
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  5. "Paul H." <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > Yeah, right. You apologize. How about apologizing for back-door

    commercial
    > spamming committed under the guise of contrition, you sleazebag? Isn't

    it
    > odd how your _mea culpa_ is framed with your company's name, its function,
    > and its web address? I'm surprised you didn't mention puppy dogs in your
    > hat-in-hand confession.
    >
    > Your so-called apology was nothing but a transparent troll for

    business--as
    > if anyone REALLY believes your ISP got on your case for a single etiquette
    > violation in a recreational newsgroup. Gee, I really hope the

    International
    > Usenet Patrol doesn't show up on your company's doorstep! You seem like
    > such a nice person.
    >
    > People like you, who would use others' goodwill and/or willingness to
    > forgive as a lever for personal gain, disgust me far more than all the

    other
    > trolls and spammers who have plagued this group over the last year. As
    > your phony email moniker "Odie Ferrous" implies, you really do stink, you
    > frigging loser.


    Now this is crazy and plain rude.

    You can put anything you damn well want into a sig. You always could. You
    always will. As long as it is not plain illegel.

    And for the record, if someone used one of my servers and got some
    complains, 1 or more, they would be told about it.
    Robert Meyers, Jul 16, 2004
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  6. Odie Ferrous

    Paul H. Guest

    "Robert Meyers" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > "Paul H." <> wrote in message
    > news:...
    > > Yeah, right. You apologize. How about apologizing for back-door

    > commercial
    > > spamming committed under the guise of contrition, you sleazebag? Isn't

    > it
    > > odd how your _mea culpa_ is framed with your company's name, its

    function,
    > > and its web address? I'm surprised you didn't mention puppy dogs in

    your
    > > hat-in-hand confession.
    > >
    > > Your so-called apology was nothing but a transparent troll for

    > business--as
    > > if anyone REALLY believes your ISP got on your case for a single

    etiquette
    > > violation in a recreational newsgroup. Gee, I really hope the

    > International
    > > Usenet Patrol doesn't show up on your company's doorstep! You seem like
    > > such a nice person.
    > >
    > > People like you, who would use others' goodwill and/or willingness to
    > > forgive as a lever for personal gain, disgust me far more than all the

    > other
    > > trolls and spammers who have plagued this group over the last year. As
    > > your phony email moniker "Odie Ferrous" implies, you really do stink,

    you
    > > frigging loser.

    >
    > Now this is crazy and plain rude.


    You are gullible beyond belief.

    Have you ever heard of an ISP enforcing a single complaint against a usenet
    post to a .rec group, even in the over-controlled U.K.? Of course you
    haven't. But it did give dear old Odie a second chance at advertising,
    didn't it?

    It wasn't an auto-post to multiple groups, either, so the sig--if that's
    what it is--could have been omitted. Excepting 15 JUL, Odie hasn't posted
    to rec.photo.digital since 2002.
    Paul H., Jul 17, 2004
    #6
  7. "Paul H." <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > You are gullible beyond belief.
    >
    > Have you ever heard of an ISP enforcing a single complaint against a

    usenet
    > post to a .rec group, even in the over-controlled U.K.? Of course you
    > haven't. But it did give dear old Odie a second chance at advertising,
    > didn't it?
    >
    > It wasn't an auto-post to multiple groups, either, so the sig--if that's
    > what it is--could have been omitted. Excepting 15 JUL, Odie hasn't posted
    > to rec.photo.digital since 2002.


    In all truth it matters not. When people are getting criticized for their
    SIG, it is going beyond acceptable limits. Those have been with us since
    the days when most of USENET was little more than a collection of BBSs. It
    is untouchable in my belief. Oh, and one complaint would equal a warning
    from me. I own a small ISP.
    Robert Meyers, Jul 17, 2004
    #7
  8. Odie Ferrous

    Odie Ferrous Guest

    "Paul H." wrote:
    >
    >Maniacal rantings snipped
    >
    >
    > Your so-called apology was nothing but a transparent troll for business--as
    > if anyone REALLY believes your ISP got on your case for a single etiquette
    > violation in a recreational newsgroup.
    >
    >


    To wit - and I quote:


    16-Jul-2004 10:38 (James Hill)
    Hi,

    We've received a complaint about a posting you made to rec.photo.digital
    on usenet. Please be aware that commercial postings are explicitly
    prohibited by the charter (which can be found in ftp://ftp.isc.org).

    Zen's acceptable use policy prohibits antisocial behaviour and is
    located at www.zen.co.uk/policies/aup.asp .

    This is an excerpt from the charter:

    All postings made to this group should conform to existing Usenet
    guidelines (see news.announce.newusers for guideline documents). This
    group explicitly prohibits the posting of commercial advertisments or
    other promotional material, whether or not it is an any way related to
    the photography. Binary postings (i.e. non text postings) are
    prohibited.

    A single complaint is not a serious matter, however continued complaints
    may result in your account being suspended. Please take more care as to
    the nature of your posts in future.

    Regards,

    James Hill
    Zen Internet Abuse Team


    > On Thu, 15 Jul 2004 08:54:06 +0100, in rec.photo.digital Odie Ferrous
    > <odie_ferrous@at_hot_dot.mail.com> wrote:
    >
    > >Path: news2!kant.larc.nasa.gov!canoe.uoregon.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!fr.ip.ndsoftware.net!dedekind.zen.co.uk!zen.net.uk!fuller.zen.co.uk!cockburn.zen.co.uk.POSTED!not-for-mail
    > >Message-ID: <40F6381E.8FCE6866@at_hot_dot.mail.com>
    > >Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 08:54:06 +0100
    > >From: Odie Ferrous <odie_ferrous@at_hot_dot.mail.com>
    > >X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U)
    > >X-Accept-Language: en
    > >MIME-Version: 1.0
    > >Newsgroups: rec.photo.digital
    > >Subject: COMM: Data Recovery services
    > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
    > >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
    > >Lines: 16
    > >Organization: Zen Internet
    > >NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.3.65.21
    > >X-Trace: 1089878034 cockburn.zen.co.uk 7799 62.3.65.21:10654
    > >X-Complaints-To:
    > >Xref: kant.larc.nasa.gov rec.photo.digital:644341
    > >
    > >There are bound to be individuals who have had their computers / hard
    > >drives crash, only to lose their photographs.
    > >
    > >Please check out my website for further details of data recovery.
    > >
    > >No matter where you are located geographically, my prices still remain
    > >very reasonable.
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >Odie
    > >--
    > >
    > >RetroData
    > >Data Recovery Experts
    > >www.retrodata.co.uk




    You are acting in the extreme here - something is obviously bothering
    you.

    I feel for you - really. Please see your doctor - he may be able to
    help.

    Sincerely,


    Odie

    Oh ... and ***just*** for you:

    ------------
    RetroData
    Data Recovery Experts
    www.retrodata.co.uk
    Odie Ferrous, Jul 19, 2004
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  9. Odie Ferrous

    Steve Young Guest

    ISPs Abuse Is One End of the Solution? Was:(Re: APOLOGIES for the spam in my earlier post)

    Proof they *can* *be*, (and often are), attentive to abuse

    [added groups:alt.culture.usenet,news.groups,news.admin.net-abuse.usenet]
    [follow-up set]

    > > "Paul H." wrote:
    > >Maniacal rantings snipped


    some maniacal rantings restored grin

    "Your so-called apology was nothing but a transparent troll for
    business--as if anyone REALLY believes your ISP got on your case for a
    single etiquette violation in a recreational newsgroup. Gee, I really
    hope the International Usenet Patrol doesn't show up on your company's
    doorstep! You seem like such a nice person.

    People like you, who would use others' goodwill and/or willingness to
    forgive as a lever for personal gain, disgust me far more than all the
    other trolls and spammers who have plagued this group over the last year.
    As your phony email moniker "Odie Ferrous" implies, you really do stink,
    you frigging loser."

    > "Odie Ferrous" <odie_ferrous@at_hot_dot.mail.com> wrote


    > To wit - and I quote:


    > 16-Jul-2004 10:38 (James Hill)
    > Hi,
    >
    > We've received a complaint about a posting you made to rec.photo.digital
    > on usenet. Please be aware that commercial postings are explicitly
    > prohibited by the charter (which can be found in ftp://ftp.isc.org).
    >
    > Zen's acceptable use policy prohibits antisocial behaviour and is
    > located at www.zen.co.uk/policies/aup.asp .
    >
    > This is an excerpt from the charter:
    >
    > All postings made to this group should conform to existing Usenet
    > guidelines (see news.announce.newusers for guideline documents). This
    > group explicitly prohibits the posting of commercial advertisments or
    > other promotional material, whether or not it is an any way related to
    > the photography. Binary postings (i.e. non text postings) are
    > prohibited.
    >
    > A single complaint is not a serious matter, however continued complaints
    > may result in your account being suspended. Please take more care as to
    > the nature of your posts in future.
    >
    > Regards,
    >
    > James Hill
    > Zen Internet Abuse Team

    [...]

    This is *really* *key* to discouraging the worst of Usenet's bad actors

    :)x

    PS (Anyone want tpo lits a few suggestions? mayhaps we pick one to toy
    with ? ;)
    Steve Young, Jul 19, 2004
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