Anyone received the Banks spam?

Discussion in 'NZ Computing' started by Nil Einne, Oct 7, 2004.

  1. Nil Einne

    Nil Einne Guest

    Just read in the Herald that Banks has started spamming people. You
    would think after the last debacle he would have learnt his lesson. I
    suppose not. Or maybe the last debacle is to blame since it probably
    helped seal his fate...

    Anyone received the spam?

    The Herald article is here if anyone is interested.
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/storydisp...general&thesecondsubsection=&reportid=1162640

    Before any of you Banks lovers start to defend him, read this in
    particular:

    'Asked how people who did not know him had received a personal email,
    Mr Banks said "my campaign team have given me email addresses".

    He said he did not know where all the addresses originated.

    "There is nothing illegal or dishonest about this ... It's a very
    active campaign. We are going to the wire on this . . ," Mr Banks
    said.'

    Illegal? Not yet sadly it appears altho I wonder if he has violated
    his ISPs TOS. Dishonest? Who cares? What does matter is he is emailing
    people he does not know without them ever opting in to receive such
    e-mail. It's not clear how many people he emailed, maybe only a few
    hundred but it's still spam!
     
    Nil Einne, Oct 7, 2004
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  2. Nil Einne

    XPD Guest

    "Nil Einne" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > Just read in the Herald that Banks has started spamming people. You
    > would think after the last debacle he would have learnt his lesson. I
    > suppose not. Or maybe the last debacle is to blame since it probably
    > helped seal his fate...
    >
    > Anyone received the spam?


    My question is, the people who got the spam, was it forwarded from someone
    else, or was it directly from Banks ?
    If it was forwarded then its a bit hard to accuse him of full on spam.....
    if it came straight from his address then nail him to the wall :)
     
    XPD, Oct 7, 2004
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  3. Nil Einne

    Chris Mayhew Guest

    XPD wrote:
    > "Nil Einne" <> wrote in message
    > news:...
    >
    >>Just read in the Herald that Banks has started spamming people. You
    >>would think after the last debacle he would have learnt his lesson. I
    >>suppose not. Or maybe the last debacle is to blame since it probably
    >>helped seal his fate...
    >>
    >>Anyone received the spam?

    >
    >
    > My question is, the people who got the spam, was it forwarded from someone
    > else, or was it directly from Banks ?
    > If it was forwarded then its a bit hard to accuse him of full on spam.....
    > if it came straight from his address then nail him to the wall :)
    >
    >

    And then theres the person who added their friend in the belief that
    they would be interested, and then Banks receives this address in good
    faith .....

    BTW I'm more likely to support Dick, not that I actually live in
    Auckland anyway, though I have (tried) to drive down the southern
    motorway at 5:15pm but then I wouldn't want to be waiting for a train at
    some of those stations in the dark either. Dallas has good public
    transport and Dallas it's self is actually about the same size as
    Auckland, it's just that there are more cities nearby that make the area
    so big.
     
    Chris Mayhew, Oct 7, 2004
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  4. Nil Einne

    Gordon Guest

    On Fri, 08 Oct 2004 10:31:24 +1300, Chris Mayhew wrote:

    > BTW I'm more likely to support Dick, not that I actually live in
    > Auckland anyway, though I have (tried) to drive down the southern
    > motorway at 5:15pm but then I wouldn't want to be waiting for a train at
    > some of those stations in the dark either. Dallas has good public
    > transport and Dallas it's self is actually about the same size as
    > Auckland, it's just that there are more cities nearby that make the area
    > so big.


    Carjacking is on the increase.
     
    Gordon, Oct 8, 2004
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  5. Nil Einne

    Warwick Guest

    On 7 Oct 2004 04:41:33 -0700, Nil Einne wrote:

    > Just read in the Herald that Banks has started spamming people. You
    > would think after the last debacle he would have learnt his lesson. I
    > suppose not. Or maybe the last debacle is to blame since it probably
    > helped seal his fate...
    >
    > Anyone received the spam?
    >
    > The Herald article is here if anyone is interested.
    > http://www.nzherald.co.nz/storydisp...general&thesecondsubsection=&reportid=1162640
    >
    > Before any of you Banks lovers start to defend him, read this in
    > particular:
    >
    > 'Asked how people who did not know him had received a personal email,
    > Mr Banks said "my campaign team have given me email addresses".
    >
    > He said he did not know where all the addresses originated.
    >
    > "There is nothing illegal or dishonest about this ... It's a very
    > active campaign. We are going to the wire on this . . ," Mr Banks
    > said.'
    >
    > Illegal? Not yet sadly it appears altho I wonder if he has violated
    > his ISPs TOS. Dishonest? Who cares? What does matter is he is emailing
    > people he does not know without them ever opting in to receive such
    > e-mail. It's not clear how many people he emailed, maybe only a few
    > hundred but it's still spam!


    How did he determine Ak residents email addys from a list of email
    addresses? Or has he spammed people outside his electorate?
     
    Warwick, Oct 8, 2004
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  6. Nil Einne

    Nil Einne Guest

    "XPD" <> wrote in message news:<>...
    > My question is, the people who got the spam, was it forwarded from someone
    > else, or was it directly from Banks ?
    > If it was forwarded then its a bit hard to accuse him of full on spam.....
    > if it came straight from his address then nail him to the wall :)


    I had thought of this. But the simple fact is based on what he said,
    it appears to me he did send it to people who did not opt in to
    receive such e-mails. We don't know how many people this may be and
    the ones complaining in the Herald may not have received it from him
    directly but based on his statements anyway, it appears to me he has
    spammed people. If he didn't he needs to learn to clarify better. In
    any case, it's always very risky ro receive e-mail addresses from
    third parties. Unless you can be sure they are reliable (and based on
    Banks current record, I don't think he should be making such
    assumptions, well assuming he isn't lying about the last debacle)
    there is a strong risk the people gave them to you did not get
    permission to share their e-mails with you. If you're lucky none of
    them will care but if not, I would say they have been spammed and have
    the right to be very annoyed at JB.
     
    Nil Einne, Oct 8, 2004
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  7. Nil Einne

    Nil Einne Guest

    Chris Mayhew <> wrote in message news:<1097184686.dTNasvlVUZvNPMkgYenAIw@teranews>...
    > And then theres the person who added their friend in the belief that
    > they would be interested, and then Banks receives this address in good
    > faith .....


    I would disagree. If it was some kind of web based thing where people
    can tell their friends about something if they have already identified
    themselves then fine. Similarly, I don't think people would be that
    annoyed if he iniated a viral marketing campaign and got people to
    e-mail others for him, provided he made it clear they should only
    e-mail people they know. However, if he is personally receiving
    e-mails of other people, he should take great care to see who he is
    receiving these emails from as I would say once he starts personally
    sending the emails himself (or gets someone to do it for him), he
    bears responsibility. From the article, it appears he did not take
    great care. Whether the people complaining in the article received the
    e-mails from him, we don't know but I would say it appears he is
    responsible for spamming others
     
    Nil Einne, Oct 8, 2004
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  8. Nil Einne

    thing Guest

    Nil Einne wrote:
    > Just read in the Herald that Banks has started spamming people. You
    > would think after the last debacle he would have learnt his lesson. I
    > suppose not. Or maybe the last debacle is to blame since it probably
    > helped seal his fate...
    >
    > Anyone received the spam?
    >
    > The Herald article is here if anyone is interested.
    > http://www.nzherald.co.nz/storydisp...general&thesecondsubsection=&reportid=1162640
    >
    > Before any of you Banks lovers start to defend him, read this in
    > particular:
    >
    > 'Asked how people who did not know him had received a personal email,
    > Mr Banks said "my campaign team have given me email addresses".
    >
    > He said he did not know where all the addresses originated.
    >
    > "There is nothing illegal or dishonest about this ... It's a very
    > active campaign. We are going to the wire on this . . ," Mr Banks
    > said.'
    >
    > Illegal? Not yet sadly it appears altho I wonder if he has violated
    > his ISPs TOS. Dishonest? Who cares? What does matter is he is emailing
    > people he does not know without them ever opting in to receive such
    > e-mail. It's not clear how many people he emailed, maybe only a few
    > hundred but it's still spam!


    lol, "pass it on to a few people who may not have voted".....what dumb
    thing to say, what an asshole, and Auckland really wants this imbecile
    as the Mayor?

    Spam is spam, but then I seem to recall xtra spams people as well, and
    even passed its mailing list on to Microsoft.....

    doh

    Thing
     
    thing, Oct 8, 2004
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