Any Programmers here that have retired at 37..?

Discussion in 'NZ Computing' started by K & S, Jan 5, 2004.

  1. K & S

    K & S Guest

    Well just found out that my neighbor has..

    From the US and retired at 37 or less.

    So their is money or was in programming, but may be not here.
     
    K & S, Jan 5, 2004
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    Jay Guest

    K & S wrote:

    >
    >
    > Well just found out that my neighbor has..
    >
    > From the US and retired at 37 or less.
    >
    > So their is money or was in programming, but may be not here.


    I once worked in NZ. But I found that overseas I could earn in a
    couple of hours what I earned in NZ in a whole week. And I didn't have
    to know anything about sheep.

    Apparently 25% of NZers are overseas at the moment so perhaps
    that might tell you something.
     
    Jay, Jan 5, 2004
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    T.N.O. Guest

    Jay wrote:
    > Apparently 25% of NZers are overseas at the moment so perhaps
    > that might tell you something.


    approx 25% of Aussies are also overseas at any one time, does that tell
    you something?
     
    T.N.O., Jan 5, 2004
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    jerm Guest

    On Mon, 05 Jan 2004 23:42:25 +1300, K & S
    <> said

    >
    >
    >Well just found out that my neighbor has..
    >
    >From the US and retired at 37 or less.
    >
    >So their is money or was in programming, but may be not here.
    >
    >
    >

    I know a former programmer who retired around that age, a few years ago.
    His biggest problem these days is deciding which colour BMW to drive each
    day. His biggest revelation was that there's much nicer people flying
    economy than first or business class. So he always flies economy.

    But he is not typical.
     
    jerm, Jan 5, 2004
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  5. "K & S" <> wrote in message
    news:p...
    >
    >
    > Well just found out that my neighbor has..
    >
    > From the US and retired at 37 or less.
    >
    > So their is money or was in programming, but may be not here.
    >



    I'm late then. 37 next month. Have to start planning now :D

    --
    Mauricio Freitas
    Bluetooth Guides: http://www.geekzone.co.nz
     
    Mauricio Freitas, Jan 5, 2004
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    madknoxie Guest

    In article <btce1j$5fgtk$-berlin.de>,
    "T.N.O." <> wrote:

    > Jay wrote:
    > > Apparently 25% of NZers are overseas at the moment so perhaps
    > > that might tell you something.

    >
    > approx 25% of Aussies are also overseas at any one time, does that tell
    > you something?


    We're all a bit like the Irish, aren't we.

    --
    madknoxie
    Yes; we'll have true broadband here when everyone else has moved to
    alpha centauri. - ... Brendan
     
    madknoxie, Jan 5, 2004
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    Nihil Guest

    In article <>,
    says...
    >
    >
    >
    >Well just found out that my neighbor has..
    >
    >From the US and retired at 37 or less.
    >
    >So their is money or was in programming, but may be not here.


    There is otherwise I wouldn't have just quit my cozy job to start
    my own software business.


    -- Nihil
     
    Nihil, Jan 6, 2004
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  8. K & S

    Nihil Guest

    In article <>, says...
    >
    >K & S wrote:
    >
    >>
    >>
    >> Well just found out that my neighbor has..
    >>
    >> From the US and retired at 37 or less.
    >>
    >> So their is money or was in programming, but may be not here.

    >
    >I once worked in NZ. But I found that overseas I could earn in a
    >couple of hours what I earned in NZ in a whole week. And I didn't have to
    >know anything about sheep.


    Well Jay, I'm glad sheep prostitution is paying better for you now.

    -- Nihil
     
    Nihil, Jan 6, 2004
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  9. K & S

    Nihil Guest

    In article <>,
    says...
    >
    >On Mon, 05 Jan 2004 23:42:25 +1300, K & S
    ><> said
    >
    >>
    >>
    >>Well just found out that my neighbor has..
    >>
    >>From the US and retired at 37 or less.
    >>
    >>So their is money or was in programming, but may be not here.
    >>
    >>
    >>

    >I know a former programmer who retired around that age, a few years ago.
    >His biggest problem these days is deciding which colour BMW to drive each
    >day. His biggest revelation was that there's much nicer people flying
    >economy than first or business class. So he always flies economy.


    Whatever!

    I think it's because he can't afford business class and that BMW is
    probably on HP.

    Be aware - Most people exagerate their wealth and drive fancy cars to
    improve their social standing.


    -- Nihil
     
    Nihil, Jan 6, 2004
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    harry Guest

    Nihil wrote:
    > In article <>, says...
    >>
    >> K & S wrote:
    >>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> Well just found out that my neighbor has..
    >>>
    >>> From the US and retired at 37 or less.
    >>>
    >>> So their is money or was in programming, but may be not here.

    >>
    >> I once worked in NZ. But I found that overseas I could earn in a
    >> couple of hours what I earned in NZ in a whole week. And I didn't
    >> have to know anything about sheep.

    >
    > Well Jay, I'm glad sheep prostitution is paying better for you now.
    >
    > -- Nihil


    Sheep are called souvlaki out in the West Island
    Jay obviously doesn't socialise with the natives otherwise he would have had
    to drink enough of the local horsepiss to be tricked into eating the greasy
    muck.
     
    harry, Jan 6, 2004
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    AD. Guest

    On Mon, 05 Jan 2004 23:42:25 +1300, K & S wrote:


    >
    > Well just found out that my neighbor has..


    What, retired?

    I would've thought it was surprising if any of your neighbours hadn't
    retired - being in Kapiti and all.


    Seriously, I doubt many US programmers would've been able to retire that
    early unless they worked for the right company at the right time and
    cashed in all their share options at the right time (ie not recently).

    Cheers
    Anton
     
    AD., Jan 6, 2004
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    pete Guest

    "jerm" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > On Mon, 05 Jan 2004 23:42:25 +1300, K & S
    > <> said
    >
    > >
    > >
    > >Well just found out that my neighbor has..
    > >
    > >From the US and retired at 37 or less.
    > >
    > >So their is money or was in programming, but may be not here.
    > >
    > >
    > >

    > I know a former programmer who retired around that age, a few years ago.
    > His biggest problem these days is deciding which colour BMW to drive each
    > day. His biggest revelation was that there's much nicer people flying
    > economy than first or business class. So he always flies economy.
    >
    > But he is not typical.


    How old was Adrien De Croy when he sold Ghost to Symantec? He could have
    retired several times over on that sale.
    >
    >
     
    pete, Jan 6, 2004
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  13. K & S

    jerm Guest

    On Tue, 06 Jan 2004 00:28:52 GMT, (Nihil) said

    >In article <>,
    >says...
    >>
    >>On Mon, 05 Jan 2004 23:42:25 +1300, K & S
    >><> said
    >>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>Well just found out that my neighbor has..
    >>>
    >>>From the US and retired at 37 or less.
    >>>
    >>>So their is money or was in programming, but may be not here.
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>

    >>I know a former programmer who retired around that age, a few years ago.
    >>His biggest problem these days is deciding which colour BMW to drive each
    >>day. His biggest revelation was that there's much nicer people flying
    >>economy than first or business class. So he always flies economy.

    >
    >Whatever!

    Tall poppy syndrome rises unchecked. I'm not that naive.
    >I think it's because he can't afford business class and that BMW is
    >probably on HP.

    No. And it's BMWs, plus some fun cars, Mustangs, Corvettes, Firebirds.
    >Be aware - Most people exagerate their wealth and drive fancy cars to
    >improve their social standing.

    True. However in this case I have seen adequate proof of his nett worth.
    And it's all from programming. And a great deal of luck. Many of his
    contemporaries are still code chuckers, working for a wage.
     
    jerm, Jan 6, 2004
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  14. K & S

    K & S Guest

    On Tue, 06 Jan 2004 18:35:37 +1300, jerm <> wrote:

    >On Tue, 06 Jan 2004 00:28:52 GMT, (Nihil) said
    >
    >>In article <>,
    >>says...
    >>>
    >>>On Mon, 05 Jan 2004 23:42:25 +1300, K & S
    >>><> said
    >>>
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>Well just found out that my neighbor has..
    >>>>
    >>>>From the US and retired at 37 or less.
    >>>>
    >>>>So their is money or was in programming, but may be not here.
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>I know a former programmer who retired around that age, a few years ago.
    >>>His biggest problem these days is deciding which colour BMW to drive each
    >>>day. His biggest revelation was that there's much nicer people flying
    >>>economy than first or business class. So he always flies economy.

    >>
    >>Whatever!

    >Tall poppy syndrome rises unchecked. I'm not that naive.
    >>I think it's because he can't afford business class and that BMW is
    >>probably on HP.

    >No. And it's BMWs, plus some fun cars, Mustangs, Corvettes, Firebirds.
    >>Be aware - Most people exagerate their wealth and drive fancy cars to
    >>improve their social standing.

    >True. However in this case I have seen adequate proof of his nett worth.
    >And it's all from programming. And a great deal of luck. Many of his
    >contemporaries are still code chuckers, working for a wage.
    >




    No this chap has a Diesel Humvee, and some other cars..
     
    K & S, Jan 6, 2004
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    AD. Guest

    On Tue, 06 Jan 2004 18:10:44 +1300, pete wrote:

    > How old was Adrien De Croy when he sold Ghost to Symantec? He could have
    > retired several times over on that sale.


    Don't you mean Wingate?

    I would regard those more as an example of a successful businessman rather
    than a successful programmer as such (they probably happened to be both
    though). ie the success came from good product development, business deals
    and marketing rather than just being a good programmer.

    Cheers
    Anton
     
    AD., Jan 6, 2004
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    pete Guest

    "AD." <> wrote in message
    news:p...
    > On Tue, 06 Jan 2004 18:10:44 +1300, pete wrote:
    >
    > > How old was Adrien De Croy when he sold Ghost to Symantec? He could have
    > > retired several times over on that sale.

    >
    > Don't you mean Wingate?
    >
    > I would regard those more as an example of a successful businessman rather
    > than a successful programmer as such (they probably happened to be both
    > though). ie the success came from good product development, business deals
    > and marketing rather than just being a good programmer.
    >
    > Cheers
    > Anton


    Yeah, you're right. Who did Ghost, then? "twas a Kiwi, wasn't it?
     
    pete, Jan 6, 2004
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    Bok Guest

    On Mon, 05 Jan 2004 23:42:25 +1300, K & S wrote:

    > Well just found out that my neighbor has..
    > From the US and retired at 37 or less.
    > So their is money or was in programming, but may be not here.


    You can earn good money overseas (in software development or consulting),
    especially on short term contracts. It's easier for younger single people
    to do this, not so good for families to uproot and live out of a suit
    case. I know of several kiwis that were earning around 800 pounds a day
    contracting in London a few years back and similar amounts contracting in
    other EU locations (none have retired yet that I'm aware of). It appears
    to be much harder to get well payed permanent IT employment in the UK.

    Reminds me:
    Around 14 years ago, a colleague and I went to London to do some software
    based consultancy; our firm charged us out at NZ$2000 per day plus all expenses
    (including business class air fares). That was pretty good money back then.
    [Consultancy requested by the client, our company was reluctant to send
    anyone as it wasn't really our main charter]. The guy I went with
    subsequently left the company and returned to London
    to work for the same client at the same daily rate, but for himself this
    time. He later returned to NZ and semi-retired, but was still dabbling in
    the IT world last time I made contact with him.

    Average IT salaries in the US don't look that good to me given the cost of
    living. However, some people I know have done very well over there. It's a matter
    of being in the right place at the right time.
     
    Bok, Jan 6, 2004
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    AD. Guest

    On Tue, 06 Jan 2004 20:02:39 +1300, pete wrote:

    >
    > "AD." <> wrote in message
    > news:p...
    >> On Tue, 06 Jan 2004 18:10:44 +1300, pete wrote:
    >>
    >> > How old was Adrien De Croy when he sold Ghost to Symantec? He could
    >> > have retired several times over on that sale.

    >>
    >> Don't you mean Wingate?
    >>
    >> I would regard those more as an example of a successful businessman
    >> rather than a successful programmer as such (they probably happened to
    >> be both though). ie the success came from good product development,
    >> business deals and marketing rather than just being a good programmer.
    >>
    >> Cheers
    >> Anton

    >
    > Yeah, you're right. Who did Ghost, then? "twas a Kiwi, wasn't it?


    Yep, Binary Research - I forget the names of the founders though.

    Cheers
    Anton
     
    AD., Jan 6, 2004
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    Jay Guest

    T.N.O. wrote:

    > Jay wrote:
    >> Apparently 25% of NZers are overseas at the moment so perhaps
    >> that might tell you something.

    >
    > approx 25% of Aussies are also overseas at any one time, does that tell
    > you something?


    No, the figure is about 3%.
    Search the SMH for the exact figure from a news item a couple of
    week back.
     
    Jay, Jan 6, 2004
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    Mr Scebe Guest

    "Jay" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > T.N.O. wrote:
    >
    > > Jay wrote:
    > >> Apparently 25% of NZers are overseas at the moment so perhaps
    > >> that might tell you something.

    > >
    > > approx 25% of Aussies are also overseas at any one time, does that tell
    > > you something?

    >
    > No, the figure is about 3%.
    > Search the SMH for the exact figure from a news item a couple of
    > week back.
    >

    Oh look Mummy. Another convict with an inferiority complex.

    --
    Mr Scebe
    "Personally i think you're a fucking idiot"
    ~Sean Connery in "The Rock"
     
    Mr Scebe, Jan 7, 2004
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