Alt-binaries

Discussion in 'Computer Support' started by Ian Field, Mar 27, 2006.

  1. Ian Field

    Ian Field Guest

    Does anyone know the cause and cure for a problem with attachments posted on
    alt.binaries newsgroups?

    The newsreader I use is Outlook Express under WinXP - most attachments on
    alt.binaries groups do not display the paperclip symbol on the thread
    listing and if I click on the posting all I get is a huge page of ASCII
    characters!

    Please help!
     
    Ian Field, Mar 27, 2006
    #1
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  2. Ian Field

    Peaches Guest

    "Ian Field" <> wrote in message
    news:ZEWVf.3072$...
    > Does anyone know the cause and cure for a problem with attachments posted
    > on alt.binaries newsgroups?
    >
    > The newsreader I use is Outlook Express under WinXP - most attachments on
    > alt.binaries groups do not display the paperclip symbol on the thread
    > listing and if I click on the posting all I get is a huge page of ASCII
    > characters!
    >
    > Please help!
    >

    Combine and decode -
    The longed for porn clips have been split into several seperate posts,
    you need the first and the last and all inbetween,- in correct order,
    then within OE you select "Combine and Decode".
    Ask the poster in the specific binaries group.
     
    Peaches, Mar 27, 2006
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  3. Ian Field

    Evan Platt Guest

    On Mon, 27 Mar 2006 19:02:17 GMT, "Ian Field" <>
    wrote:

    >Does anyone know the cause and cure for a problem with attachments posted on
    >alt.binaries newsgroups?



    >The newsreader I use is Outlook Express


    Ah. There's the problem.

    Switch to a decent newsreader.
     
    Evan Platt, Mar 27, 2006
    #3
  4. Ian Field wrote:

    > Does anyone know the cause and cure for a problem with attachments posted on
    > alt.binaries newsgroups?
    >
    > The newsreader I use is Outlook Express under WinXP - most attachments on
    > alt.binaries groups do not display the paperclip symbol on the thread
    > listing and if I click on the posting all I get is a huge page of ASCII
    > characters!
    >
    > Please help!
    >
    >


    Does no-one bother to view what tools they have or check their help files?

    What about checking to see just how many thousands of times someone has
    posted a similar request before wasting yet more bandwidth on a really
    worn out question.
     
    =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Brian_H=B9=A9?=, Mar 27, 2006
    #4
  5. Ian Field wrote:

    > Does anyone know the cause and cure for a problem with attachments posted
    > on alt.binaries newsgroups?
    >
    > The newsreader I use is Outlook Express under WinXP - most attachments on
    > alt.binaries groups do not display the paperclip symbol on the thread
    > listing and if I click on the posting all I get is a huge page of ASCII
    > characters!
    >

    Forget Outbug Excuse. It is a lame surrogate for a newsreader, even less
    adequate for binaries. Get Agent from www.forteinc.com,xnews or pan for
    linux.
    Binaries are multipart and usually yencoded, giving Outbug Excuse users a
    hard time and frustration.
    --
    vista policy violation: Microsoft optical mouse detected penguin patterns
    on mousepad. Partition scan in progress to remove offending
    incompatible products. Reactivate MS software.
    Linux 2.6.14-mm1 [LinuxCounter#295241,ICQ#4918962]
     
    Walter Mautner, Mar 27, 2006
    #5
  6. Ian Field wrote:

    > Does anyone know the cause and cure for a problem with attachments posted
    > on alt.binaries newsgroups?
    >

    Btw. ... usenet news has never been made for spreading binaries. You might
    better try bittorrent.
    --
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    on mousepad. Partition scan in progress to remove offending
    incompatible products. Reactivate MS software.
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    Walter Mautner, Mar 27, 2006
    #6
  7. Ian Field

    Vanguard Guest

    "Ian Field" <> wrote in message
    news:ZEWVf.3072$...
    > Does anyone know the cause and cure for a problem with attachments
    > posted on alt.binaries newsgroups?
    >
    > The newsreader I use is Outlook Express under WinXP - most attachments
    > on alt.binaries groups do not display the paperclip symbol on the
    > thread listing and if I click on the posting all I get is a huge page
    > of ASCII characters!



    Probably because those, ahem, exotic groups that you visit are using
    yEnc, the favorite encryption scheme used by that community. yEnc is
    not a supported encoding scheme in any Microsoft product (which
    recognizes, for example, MIME). You'll need to use a different
    newsreader that includes support for yEnc or find the yEnc proxy that
    you use in combination with OE. I don't visit those groups or need yEnc
    for any attachments, but you might start checking the yenc.org web site
    for where to get the proxy or what other newsreaders support yEnc.

    As I recall (it's been awhile and was for someone else's post), I think
    "yEnc" is probably a string near the front end of all the encoding
    characters (i.e., I think it identifies itself as the encoding scheme at
    the front of all the characters that make up the encoded part). If you
    had an example of a post that you are having a problem with, the rest of
    us could look at the raw data for the message to see what encoding
    scheme was used or what are all those "ASCII characters".

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    Vanguard, Mar 27, 2006
    #7
  8. Ian Field

    Ian Field Guest

    "Vanguard" <> wrote in message
    news:e09ia5$368$...
    > "Ian Field" <> wrote in message
    > news:ZEWVf.3072$...
    >> Does anyone know the cause and cure for a problem with attachments posted
    >> on alt.binaries newsgroups?
    >>
    >> The newsreader I use is Outlook Express under WinXP - most attachments on
    >> alt.binaries groups do not display the paperclip symbol on the thread
    >> listing and if I click on the posting all I get is a huge page of ASCII
    >> characters!

    >
    >
    > Probably because those, ahem, exotic groups that you visit are using yEnc,
    > the favorite encryption scheme used by that community. yEnc is not a
    > supported encoding scheme in any Microsoft product (which recognizes, for
    > example, MIME). You'll need to use a different newsreader that includes
    > support for yEnc or find the yEnc proxy that you use in combination with
    > OE. I don't visit those groups or need yEnc for any attachments, but you
    > might start checking the yenc.org web site for where to get the proxy or
    > what other newsreaders support yEnc.
    >
    > As I recall (it's been awhile and was for someone else's post), I think
    > "yEnc" is probably a string near the front end of all the encoding
    > characters (i.e., I think it identifies itself as the encoding scheme at
    > the front of all the characters that make up the encoded part). If you
    > had an example of a post that you are having a problem with, the rest of
    > us could look at the raw data for the message to see what encoding scheme
    > was used or what are all those "ASCII characters".
    >
    > --
    > __________________________________________________
    > Post replies to the newsgroup. Share with others.
    > For e-mail: Remove "NIX" and add "#VN" to Subject.
    > __________________________________________________
    >


    The regulars on alt.binaries.schematics.electronic will probably be quite
    flattered - you calling them "exotic", mostly the schematics/data sheets are
    posted as pdf, gif, bmp or jpg which are no problem, but people posting
    larger documents use split rar or zip and others as well!
     
    Ian Field, Mar 27, 2006
    #8
  9. Ian Field

    Ian Field Guest

    "Walter Mautner" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > Ian Field wrote:
    >
    >> Does anyone know the cause and cure for a problem with attachments posted
    >> on alt.binaries newsgroups?
    >>
    >> The newsreader I use is Outlook Express under WinXP - most attachments on
    >> alt.binaries groups do not display the paperclip symbol on the thread
    >> listing and if I click on the posting all I get is a huge page of ASCII
    >> characters!
    >>

    > Forget Outbug Excuse. It is a lame surrogate for a newsreader, even less
    > adequate for binaries. Get Agent from www.forteinc.com,xnews or pan for
    > linux.
    > Binaries are multipart and usually yencoded, giving Outbug Excuse users a
    > hard time and frustration.
    > --
    > vista policy violation: Microsoft optical mouse detected penguin patterns
    > on mousepad. Partition scan in progress to remove offending
    > incompatible products. Reactivate MS software.
    > Linux 2.6.14-mm1 [LinuxCounter#295241,ICQ#4918962]


    Will that integrate with AVG antivirus like Outhouse Excuse?
     
    Ian Field, Mar 27, 2006
    #9
  10. Ian Field

    Vanguard Guest

    "Ian Field" <> wrote in message
    news:RqYVf.3090$...
    >
    > "Vanguard" <> wrote in message
    > news:e09ia5$368$...
    >> "Ian Field" <> wrote in message
    >> news:ZEWVf.3072$...
    >>> Does anyone know the cause and cure for a problem with attachments
    >>> posted on alt.binaries newsgroups?
    >>>
    >>> The newsreader I use is Outlook Express under WinXP - most
    >>> attachments on alt.binaries groups do not display the paperclip
    >>> symbol on the thread listing and if I click on the posting all I get
    >>> is a huge page of ASCII characters!

    >>
    >>
    >> Probably because those, ahem, exotic groups that you visit are using
    >> yEnc, the favorite encryption scheme used by that community. yEnc is
    >> not a supported encoding scheme in any Microsoft product (which
    >> recognizes, for example, MIME). You'll need to use a different
    >> newsreader that includes support for yEnc or find the yEnc proxy that
    >> you use in combination with OE. I don't visit those groups or need
    >> yEnc for any attachments, but you might start checking the yenc.org
    >> web site for where to get the proxy or what other newsreaders support
    >> yEnc.
    >>
    >> As I recall (it's been awhile and was for someone else's post), I
    >> think "yEnc" is probably a string near the front end of all the
    >> encoding characters (i.e., I think it identifies itself as the
    >> encoding scheme at the front of all the characters that make up the
    >> encoded part). If you had an example of a post that you are having a
    >> problem with, the rest of us could look at the raw data for the
    >> message to see what encoding scheme was used or what are all those
    >> "ASCII characters".

    >
    > The regulars on alt.binaries.schematics.electronic will probably be
    > quite flattered - you calling them "exotic", mostly the
    > schematics/data sheets are posted as pdf, gif, bmp or jpg which are no
    > problem, but people posting larger documents use split rar or zip and
    > others as well!



    Then why did you hide which binary group you were asking about in your
    original post? The volume of disk consumption on an NNTP server for
    alt.binaries.schematics.electronic is infinitesimal compared to the
    exotic binary groups, so in being vague you grouped yourself with the
    major use of the binary groups: porn. It's pretty easy to name a
    non-exotic group when called on which one you are using but deliberately
    omit to mention. You have yet to provide a link or information to point
    a particular post which causes you problems.

    InfoAve, the freebie NNTP service that I often use, doesn't carry the
    alt.binaries.schematics.electronic group. I still have an account with
    Teranews which has more groups and found it there, so your non-exotic
    newsgroup isn't peered to all the other NNTP servers but then I know
    why: many NNTP servers, especially free ones, won't include any binary
    groups due to the massive disk requirements (for all that porn). I
    didn't see any posts with the claimed mass of "ASCII characters". I
    then sorted in descending order of size figuring the larger posts would
    have this mass of ASCII characters that you don't give any information
    regarding. The biggest one was a mere 2KB in size, so NONE of them had
    this mass of ASCII characters that you mention.

    So you decided to name a non-exotic binary group as a diversion rather
    than note the group that you actually visit. There are no posts in the
    alt.binaries.schematics.electronic that have what you claim they have.
    So do you NOW want to provide a real example of what you asking about?
    Or maybe yEnc was really all you needed to know to continue in your
    "binary behavior".
     
    Vanguard, Mar 27, 2006
    #10
  11. Ian Field

    Meat Plow Guest

    On Mon, 27 Mar 2006 21:32:35 +0000, Ian Field wrote:

    >
    > "Evan Platt" <> wrote in message
    > news:...
    >> On Mon, 27 Mar 2006 19:02:17 GMT, "Ian Field" <>
    >> wrote:
    >>
    >>>Does anyone know the cause and cure for a problem with attachments posted
    >>>on
    >>>alt.binaries newsgroups?

    >>
    >>
    >>>The newsreader I use is Outlook Express

    >>
    >> Ah. There's the problem.
    >>
    >> Switch to a decent newsreader.

    >
    > That might be an idea - if I could find one that integrates with AVG
    > antivirus.


    Doesn't have to integrate as long as AVG monitors in real time.
    --

    Pierre Salinger Memorial Hook, Line & Sinker, June 2004
     
    Meat Plow, Mar 27, 2006
    #11
  12. Ian Field

    Ian Field Guest

    "Brian H¹©" <> wrote in message
    news:pjXVf.25882$...
    > Ian Field wrote:
    >
    >> Does anyone know the cause and cure for a problem with attachments posted
    >> on alt.binaries newsgroups?
    >>
    >> The newsreader I use is Outlook Express under WinXP - most attachments on
    >> alt.binaries groups do not display the paperclip symbol on the thread
    >> listing and if I click on the posting all I get is a huge page of ASCII
    >> characters!
    >>
    >> Please help!

    >
    > Does no-one bother to view what tools they have or check their help files?
    >
    > What about checking to see just how many thousands of times someone has
    > posted a similar request before wasting yet more bandwidth on a really
    > worn out question.
    >


    Yes - I checked all the pulldown menus and the row of icons along the top,
    another reply said look for tools - combine & decode - I looked its not
    there!
     
    Ian Field, Mar 27, 2006
    #12
  13. Ian Field

    Ian Field Guest

    "Peaches" <lazy@not_telling.org> wrote in message
    news:e09dlj$f96$...
    >
    > "Ian Field" <> wrote in message
    > news:ZEWVf.3072$...
    >> Does anyone know the cause and cure for a problem with attachments posted
    >> on alt.binaries newsgroups?
    >>
    >> The newsreader I use is Outlook Express under WinXP - most attachments on
    >> alt.binaries groups do not display the paperclip symbol on the thread
    >> listing and if I click on the posting all I get is a huge page of ASCII
    >> characters!
    >>
    >> Please help!
    >>

    > Combine and decode -
    > The longed for porn clips have been split into several seperate posts,
    > you need the first and the last and all inbetween,- in correct order,
    > then within OE you select "Combine and Decode".
    > Ask the poster in the specific binaries group.
    >


    Is "combine and decode" in a hidden set of menus that I have to separately
    activate?

    Just for your information, my fav' NG is alt.binaries.schematics.electronic
    usually the posts are pdf, gif,bmp or jpg the problem seems to be larger
    documents, zip, rar & others split up into volumes.
     
    Ian Field, Mar 27, 2006
    #13
  14. Ian Field

    Ian Field Guest

    "Evan Platt" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > On Mon, 27 Mar 2006 19:02:17 GMT, "Ian Field" <>
    > wrote:
    >
    >>Does anyone know the cause and cure for a problem with attachments posted
    >>on
    >>alt.binaries newsgroups?

    >
    >
    >>The newsreader I use is Outlook Express

    >
    > Ah. There's the problem.
    >
    > Switch to a decent newsreader.


    That might be an idea - if I could find one that integrates with AVG
    antivirus.
     
    Ian Field, Mar 27, 2006
    #14
  15. Ian Field wrote:

    > "Evan Platt" <> wrote
    >> Switch to a decent newsreader.

    >
    > That might be an idea - if I could find one that integrates with AVG
    > antivirus.


    Why would you need one that 'integrates' with AVG? Scanning incoming
    and outgoing email (in your email client) is overkill, just as it would
    be with a newsreader. So long as you have the a-v app watching in the
    background, it will scream if you try to Save a file that is a virus, or
    if you try to execute (open) it.

    40tude Dialog for Windows is a very good newsreader, and does all that
    binary stuff you want to indulge in, including auto-"combine-and-decode"
    and yEnc.
    http://40tude.com/dialog/

    --
    -bts
    -Warning: I brake for lawn deer
     
    Beauregard T. Shagnasty, Mar 27, 2006
    #15
  16. Ian Field

    Peaches Guest

    "Ian Field" <> wrote in message
    news:pQYVf.24646$...
    >
    > "Peaches" <lazy@not_telling.org> wrote in message
    > news:e09dlj$f96$...
    >>
    >> "Ian Field" <> wrote in message
    >> news:ZEWVf.3072$...
    >>> Does anyone know the cause and cure for a problem with attachments
    >>> posted on alt.binaries newsgroups?
    >>>
    >>> The newsreader I use is Outlook Express under WinXP - most attachments
    >>> on alt.binaries groups do not display the paperclip symbol on the thread
    >>> listing and if I click on the posting all I get is a huge page of ASCII
    >>> characters!
    >>>
    >>> Please help!
    >>>

    >> Combine and decode -
    >> The longed for porn clips have been split into several seperate posts,
    >> you need the first and the last and all inbetween,- in correct order,
    >> then within OE you select "Combine and Decode".
    >> Ask the poster in the specific binaries group.
    >>

    >
    > Is "combine and decode" in a hidden set of menus that I have to separately
    > activate?
    >
    > Just for your information, my fav' NG is
    > alt.binaries.schematics.electronic usually the posts are pdf, gif,bmp or
    > jpg the problem seems to be larger documents, zip, rar & others split up
    > into volumes.
    >


    In that case, they are the type of files that OE should be able to cope
    with.
    For "Combine and Decode" to successfully complete you must combine
    all the components in correct order, they should be numbered indicating
    such as: 01/25, 02/25, etc
    You hold Ctrl key, then click so as to hi-light each of posted files, once
    you
    are confident you have all the components high-lighted, place cursor on
    the first one, RIGHT click, select: Combine and Decode
    I'm a dopey female, but even I have to question if schematics require
    multi-part posting?
     
    Peaches, Mar 27, 2006
    #16
  17. Ian Field

    Ian Field Guest

    "Beauregard T. Shagnasty" <> wrote in message
    news:uUYVf.34557$...
    > Ian Field wrote:
    >
    >> "Evan Platt" <> wrote
    >>> Switch to a decent newsreader.

    >>
    >> That might be an idea - if I could find one that integrates with AVG
    >> antivirus.

    >
    > Why would you need one that 'integrates' with AVG? Scanning incoming
    > and outgoing email (in your email client) is overkill, just as it would
    > be with a newsreader. So long as you have the a-v app watching in the
    > background, it will scream if you try to Save a file that is a virus, or
    > if you try to execute (open) it.
    >
    > 40tude Dialog for Windows is a very good newsreader, and does all that
    > binary stuff you want to indulge in, including auto-"combine-and-decode"
    > and yEnc.
    > http://40tude.com/dialog/
    >
    > --
    > -bts
    > -Warning: I brake for lawn deer


    Any idea what's the filename of the downloaded file so I can search my
    folders for it?!
     
    Ian Field, Mar 27, 2006
    #17
  18. Ian Field wrote:

    > Is "combine and decode" in a hidden set of menus that I have to
    > separately activate?


    As I recall (from sometime in the last century, when I last used OE), if
    you right-click on that paper-clip-thingy, the choice is there. I think
    you also must be looking at the Part One message as well. Make sure all
    parts in the ensuing dialog are in the proper numerical order.

    Real newsreaders do this much better.

    --
    -bts
    -Warning: I brake for lawn deer
     
    Beauregard T. Shagnasty, Mar 27, 2006
    #18
  19. Beauregard T. Shagnasty replied to hisself:

    > ... I think you also must be looking at the Part One message as well.


    Oh right, as Peaches just posted, you do have to select *all* the parts
    first, 'cause OE ain't smart enough to recognize the similar Subject
    lines.

    --
    -bts
    -Warning: I brake for lawn deer
     
    Beauregard T. Shagnasty, Mar 27, 2006
    #19
  20. Ian Field

    Ian Field Guest

    "Vanguard" <> wrote in message
    news:e09lc7$4ej$...
    > "Ian Field" <> wrote in message
    > news:RqYVf.3090$...
    >>
    >> "Vanguard" <> wrote in message
    >> news:e09ia5$368$...
    >>> "Ian Field" <> wrote in message
    >>> news:ZEWVf.3072$...
    >>>> Does anyone know the cause and cure for a problem with attachments
    >>>> posted on alt.binaries newsgroups?
    >>>>
    >>>> The newsreader I use is Outlook Express under WinXP - most attachments
    >>>> on alt.binaries groups do not display the paperclip symbol on the
    >>>> thread listing and if I click on the posting all I get is a huge page
    >>>> of ASCII characters!
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> Probably because those, ahem, exotic groups that you visit are using
    >>> yEnc, the favorite encryption scheme used by that community. yEnc is
    >>> not a supported encoding scheme in any Microsoft product (which
    >>> recognizes, for example, MIME). You'll need to use a different
    >>> newsreader that includes support for yEnc or find the yEnc proxy that
    >>> you use in combination with OE. I don't visit those groups or need yEnc
    >>> for any attachments, but you might start checking the yenc.org web site
    >>> for where to get the proxy or what other newsreaders support yEnc.
    >>>
    >>> As I recall (it's been awhile and was for someone else's post), I think
    >>> "yEnc" is probably a string near the front end of all the encoding
    >>> characters (i.e., I think it identifies itself as the encoding scheme at
    >>> the front of all the characters that make up the encoded part). If you
    >>> had an example of a post that you are having a problem with, the rest of
    >>> us could look at the raw data for the message to see what encoding
    >>> scheme was used or what are all those "ASCII characters".

    >>
    >> The regulars on alt.binaries.schematics.electronic will probably be quite
    >> flattered - you calling them "exotic", mostly the schematics/data sheets
    >> are posted as pdf, gif, bmp or jpg which are no problem, but people
    >> posting larger documents use split rar or zip and others as well!

    >
    >
    > Then why did you hide which binary group you were asking about in your
    > original post? The volume of disk consumption on an NNTP server for
    > alt.binaries.schematics.electronic is infinitesimal compared to the exotic
    > binary groups, so in being vague you grouped yourself with the major use
    > of the binary groups: porn. It's pretty easy to name a non-exotic group
    > when called on which one you are using but deliberately omit to mention.
    > You have yet to provide a link or information to point a particular post
    > which causes you problems.
    >
    > InfoAve, the freebie NNTP service that I often use, doesn't carry the
    > alt.binaries.schematics.electronic group. I still have an account with
    > Teranews which has more groups and found it there, so your non-exotic
    > newsgroup isn't peered to all the other NNTP servers but then I know why:
    > many NNTP servers, especially free ones, won't include any binary groups
    > due to the massive disk requirements (for all that porn). I didn't see
    > any posts with the claimed mass of "ASCII characters". I then sorted in
    > descending order of size figuring the larger posts would have this mass of
    > ASCII characters that you don't give any information regarding. The
    > biggest one was a mere 2KB in size, so NONE of them had this mass of ASCII
    > characters that you mention.
    >
    > So you decided to name a non-exotic binary group as a diversion rather
    > than note the group that you actually visit. There are no posts in the
    > alt.binaries.schematics.electronic that have what you claim they have. So
    > do you NOW want to provide a real example of what you asking about? Or
    > maybe yEnc was really all you needed to know to continue in your "binary
    > behavior".
    >


    alt.binaries.e-book.technical is another site I'd like to explore, but
    almost all the posts are the split files that give me a page of ASCII - so I
    can't really find out if its anything I'm interested in unless I gain the
    ability to decode the posts!
     
    Ian Field, Mar 27, 2006
    #20
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