Age Limit

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  1. Guest

    Guest Guest

    Is there a certain age you have to be before you can take
    an exam?

    I am 15 and am very capable in the IT field and would
    like to take exam 70-270.

    Thanks for any help in advance.
    Guest, Jan 14, 2004
    #1
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  2. There is not an age limit, and you would not be the yougest to take and pass
    a certification exam.

    --
    Andy Ruth
    Microsoft Learning

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    <> wrote in message
    news:021c01c3dad9$fb96ac60$...
    > Is there a certain age you have to be before you can take
    > an exam?
    >
    > I am 15 and am very capable in the IT field and would
    > like to take exam 70-270.
    >
    > Thanks for any help in advance.
    Andy Ruth [MS], Jan 14, 2004
    #2
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  3. Guest

    Brat Guest

    what do you consider "capable"? There is capable to use a computer,
    troubleshoot minor issues, install downloaded software... and then there is
    troubleshooting an entire network of at LEAST 20 computers... how about 200?
    can you find a problem on a network with that many computers? how about
    installing hardware? entire OS's? configuring software? maintaining
    networking connectivity? upgrading software/OS? creating
    domains/forests/trees? monitoring network connectivity? network activity?
    user permissions of 200 users or more? handling 50+ trouble calls a day?
    printer issues? domain trusts? schema modifications? global catalogue?
    mixed mode? native mode? email programs besides outlook express...
    Exchange? remote access? hell, honey I could go on for days!

    you may think you are capable but you need to ensure you are capable to
    perform all these above tasks and many more before you even THINK of taking
    these exams... go to www.microsoft.com and look up the requirements to be an
    mcse/mcsa/etc. buy a few books... play with the software and sample
    questions... if I were you, I would take it slow... really learn the
    background stuff... you have lots of time... take the next three years and
    study your ass off... then when you graduate high school look into going to
    a college or university to cover more material... by the time you are 20,
    your head will be ready to explode but you will be one HELL of an informed
    young adult... you have the time to do what most do not think about until
    they hit 18-20... take advantage of the next 3 years and bypass all your
    peers! Volunteer at your school's computer lab... get experience! Then
    in three years you can get out there and wow the world... you have the
    opportunity to soar!

    I'm sure this is probably not the answer you were looking for but that is
    what I would do... just my opinion

    --
    Sue Thugette #69

    <> wrote in message
    news:021c01c3dad9$fb96ac60$...
    > Is there a certain age you have to be before you can take
    > an exam?
    >
    > I am 15 and am very capable in the IT field and would
    > like to take exam 70-270.
    >
    > Thanks for any help in advance.
    Brat, Jan 14, 2004
    #3
  4. Guest

    Infidel Guest

    You do have to be 13 to take a CCNA which is currently 2
    tests now,instead of 1,due to the previously high failure
    rate.Video tutorials by AppDev,Keystone,etc. may work well
    for you if you can afford them.It can be difficult to get
    started on a curriculum path even for an experienced adult
    without some guidance.
    Stay after it as I'm proud of you already.

    Infidel
    MCDBA,SE/SA{SecSpec},CCNA3.0,A+,Network+

    >-----Original Message-----
    >what do you consider "capable"? There is capable to use

    a computer,
    >troubleshoot minor issues, install downloaded software...

    and then there is
    >troubleshooting an entire network of at LEAST 20

    computers... how about 200?
    >can you find a problem on a network with that many

    computers? how about
    >installing hardware? entire OS's? configuring

    software? maintaining
    >networking connectivity? upgrading software/OS? creating
    >domains/forests/trees? monitoring network connectivity?

    network activity?
    >user permissions of 200 users or more? handling 50+

    trouble calls a day?
    >printer issues? domain trusts? schema modifications?

    global catalogue?
    >mixed mode? native mode? email programs besides outlook

    express...
    >Exchange? remote access? hell, honey I could go on for

    days!
    >
    >you may think you are capable but you need to ensure you

    are capable to
    >perform all these above tasks and many more before you

    even THINK of taking
    >these exams... go to www.microsoft.com and look up the

    requirements to be an
    >mcse/mcsa/etc. buy a few books... play with the software

    and sample
    >questions... if I were you, I would take it slow...

    really learn the
    >background stuff... you have lots of time... take the

    next three years and
    >study your ass off... then when you graduate high school

    look into going to
    >a college or university to cover more material... by the

    time you are 20,
    >your head will be ready to explode but you will be one

    HELL of an informed
    >young adult... you have the time to do what most do not

    think about until
    >they hit 18-20... take advantage of the next 3 years and

    bypass all your
    >peers! Volunteer at your school's computer lab... get

    experience! Then
    >in three years you can get out there and wow the world...

    you have the
    >opportunity to soar!
    >
    >I'm sure this is probably not the answer you were looking

    for but that is
    >what I would do... just my opinion
    >
    >--
    >Sue Thugette #69
    >
    ><> wrote in message
    >news:021c01c3dad9$fb96ac60$...
    >> Is there a certain age you have to be before you can

    take
    >> an exam?
    >>
    >> I am 15 and am very capable in the IT field and would
    >> like to take exam 70-270.
    >>
    >> Thanks for any help in advance.

    >
    >
    >.
    >
    Infidel, Jan 15, 2004
    #4
  5. Guest

    James Martin Guest

    CCNA is 1 or 2 tests--your choice according to
    http://www.cisco.com/en/US/learning/le3/le2/le0/le9/learning_certification_type_home.html

    "Infidel" <> wrote in message
    news:03a701c3dafd$f85077b0$...
    >
    >
    > You do have to be 13 to take a CCNA which is currently 2
    > tests now,instead of 1,due to the previously high failure
    > rate.Video tutorials by AppDev,Keystone,etc. may work well
    > for you if you can afford them.It can be difficult to get
    > started on a curriculum path even for an experienced adult
    > without some guidance.
    > Stay after it as I'm proud of you already.
    >
    > Infidel
    > MCDBA,SE/SA{SecSpec},CCNA3.0,A+,Network+
    James Martin, Jan 15, 2004
    #5
  6. Guest

    Brat Guest

    I didnt find the old 1 test that difficult... actually I found it very
    easy... I passed with 885 (?)... that was 2.0 of course back in Nov 01...
    who knows... maybe the new ones are harder... I'll either find out in Nov if
    I have to redo it when it expires or I will be able to skip it if I can do
    my CCNP exams prior to that... granted I was 30 & 31 when I did all my certs

    --
    Sue Thugette #69

    "Infidel" <> wrote in message
    news:03a701c3dafd$f85077b0$...
    >
    >
    > You do have to be 13 to take a CCNA which is currently 2
    > tests now,instead of 1,due to the previously high failure
    > rate.Video tutorials by AppDev,Keystone,etc. may work well
    > for you if you can afford them.It can be difficult to get
    > started on a curriculum path even for an experienced adult
    > without some guidance.
    > Stay after it as I'm proud of you already.
    >
    > Infidel
    > MCDBA,SE/SA{SecSpec},CCNA3.0,A+,Network+
    >
    > >-----Original Message-----
    > >what do you consider "capable"? There is capable to use

    > a computer,
    > >troubleshoot minor issues, install downloaded software...

    > and then there is
    > >troubleshooting an entire network of at LEAST 20

    > computers... how about 200?
    > >can you find a problem on a network with that many

    > computers? how about
    > >installing hardware? entire OS's? configuring

    > software? maintaining
    > >networking connectivity? upgrading software/OS? creating
    > >domains/forests/trees? monitoring network connectivity?

    > network activity?
    > >user permissions of 200 users or more? handling 50+

    > trouble calls a day?
    > >printer issues? domain trusts? schema modifications?

    > global catalogue?
    > >mixed mode? native mode? email programs besides outlook

    > express...
    > >Exchange? remote access? hell, honey I could go on for

    > days!
    > >
    > >you may think you are capable but you need to ensure you

    > are capable to
    > >perform all these above tasks and many more before you

    > even THINK of taking
    > >these exams... go to www.microsoft.com and look up the

    > requirements to be an
    > >mcse/mcsa/etc. buy a few books... play with the software

    > and sample
    > >questions... if I were you, I would take it slow...

    > really learn the
    > >background stuff... you have lots of time... take the

    > next three years and
    > >study your ass off... then when you graduate high school

    > look into going to
    > >a college or university to cover more material... by the

    > time you are 20,
    > >your head will be ready to explode but you will be one

    > HELL of an informed
    > >young adult... you have the time to do what most do not

    > think about until
    > >they hit 18-20... take advantage of the next 3 years and

    > bypass all your
    > >peers! Volunteer at your school's computer lab... get

    > experience! Then
    > >in three years you can get out there and wow the world...

    > you have the
    > >opportunity to soar!
    > >
    > >I'm sure this is probably not the answer you were looking

    > for but that is
    > >what I would do... just my opinion
    > >
    > >--
    > >Sue Thugette #69
    > >
    > ><> wrote in message
    > >news:021c01c3dad9$fb96ac60$...
    > >> Is there a certain age you have to be before you can

    > take
    > >> an exam?
    > >>
    > >> I am 15 and am very capable in the IT field and would
    > >> like to take exam 70-270.
    > >>
    > >> Thanks for any help in advance.

    > >
    > >
    > >.
    > >
    Brat, Jan 15, 2004
    #6
  7. Guest

    LadaiDah Guest

    Maybe if you spent less time cutting down young kids with
    more promise than you perhaps you may get that dreamy IT
    job you've been honkering for.

    Walter in Austrailia

    >-----Original Message-----
    >what do you consider "capable"? There is capable to use

    a computer,
    >troubleshoot minor issues, install downloaded software...

    and then there is
    >troubleshooting an entire network of at LEAST 20

    computers... how about 200?
    >can you find a problem on a network with that many

    computers? how about
    >installing hardware? entire OS's? configuring

    software? maintaining
    >networking connectivity? upgrading software/OS? creating
    >domains/forests/trees? monitoring network connectivity?

    network activity?
    >user permissions of 200 users or more? handling 50+

    trouble calls a day?
    >printer issues? domain trusts? schema modifications?

    global catalogue?
    >mixed mode? native mode? email programs besides outlook

    express...
    >Exchange? remote access? hell, honey I could go on for

    days!
    >
    >you may think you are capable but you need to ensure you

    are capable to
    >perform all these above tasks and many more before you

    even THINK of taking
    >these exams... go to www.microsoft.com and look up the

    requirements to be an
    >mcse/mcsa/etc. buy a few books... play with the software

    and sample
    >questions... if I were you, I would take it slow...

    really learn the
    >background stuff... you have lots of time... take the

    next three years and
    >study your ass off... then when you graduate high school

    look into going to
    >a college or university to cover more material... by the

    time you are 20,
    >your head will be ready to explode but you will be one

    HELL of an informed
    >young adult... you have the time to do what most do not

    think about until
    >they hit 18-20... take advantage of the next 3 years and

    bypass all your
    >peers! Volunteer at your school's computer lab... get

    experience! Then
    >in three years you can get out there and wow the world...

    you have the
    >opportunity to soar!
    >
    >I'm sure this is probably not the answer you were looking

    for but that is
    >what I would do... just my opinion
    >
    >--
    >Sue Thugette #69
    >
    ><> wrote in message
    >news:021c01c3dad9$fb96ac60$...
    >> Is there a certain age you have to be before you can

    take
    >> an exam?
    >>
    >> I am 15 and am very capable in the IT field and would
    >> like to take exam 70-270.
    >>
    >> Thanks for any help in advance.

    >
    >
    >.
    >
    LadaiDah, Jan 15, 2004
    #7
  8. Guest

    Kian Wah Lai Guest

    the youngest CCNA is 8 years old...no idea if he got the title since the min
    age is 13

    "Infidel" <> wrote in message
    news:03a701c3dafd$f85077b0$...
    >
    >
    > You do have to be 13 to take a CCNA which is currently 2
    > tests now,instead of 1,due to the previously high failure
    > rate.Video tutorials by AppDev,Keystone,etc. may work well
    > for you if you can afford them.It can be difficult to get
    > started on a curriculum path even for an experienced adult
    > without some guidance.
    > Stay after it as I'm proud of you already.
    >
    > Infidel
    > MCDBA,SE/SA{SecSpec},CCNA3.0,A+,Network+
    >
    > >-----Original Message-----
    > >what do you consider "capable"? There is capable to use

    > a computer,
    > >troubleshoot minor issues, install downloaded software...

    > and then there is
    > >troubleshooting an entire network of at LEAST 20

    > computers... how about 200?
    > >can you find a problem on a network with that many

    > computers? how about
    > >installing hardware? entire OS's? configuring

    > software? maintaining
    > >networking connectivity? upgrading software/OS? creating
    > >domains/forests/trees? monitoring network connectivity?

    > network activity?
    > >user permissions of 200 users or more? handling 50+

    > trouble calls a day?
    > >printer issues? domain trusts? schema modifications?

    > global catalogue?
    > >mixed mode? native mode? email programs besides outlook

    > express...
    > >Exchange? remote access? hell, honey I could go on for

    > days!
    > >
    > >you may think you are capable but you need to ensure you

    > are capable to
    > >perform all these above tasks and many more before you

    > even THINK of taking
    > >these exams... go to www.microsoft.com and look up the

    > requirements to be an
    > >mcse/mcsa/etc. buy a few books... play with the software

    > and sample
    > >questions... if I were you, I would take it slow...

    > really learn the
    > >background stuff... you have lots of time... take the

    > next three years and
    > >study your ass off... then when you graduate high school

    > look into going to
    > >a college or university to cover more material... by the

    > time you are 20,
    > >your head will be ready to explode but you will be one

    > HELL of an informed
    > >young adult... you have the time to do what most do not

    > think about until
    > >they hit 18-20... take advantage of the next 3 years and

    > bypass all your
    > >peers! Volunteer at your school's computer lab... get

    > experience! Then
    > >in three years you can get out there and wow the world...

    > you have the
    > >opportunity to soar!
    > >
    > >I'm sure this is probably not the answer you were looking

    > for but that is
    > >what I would do... just my opinion
    > >
    > >--
    > >Sue Thugette #69
    > >
    > ><> wrote in message
    > >news:021c01c3dad9$fb96ac60$...
    > >> Is there a certain age you have to be before you can

    > take
    > >> an exam?
    > >>
    > >> I am 15 and am very capable in the IT field and would
    > >> like to take exam 70-270.
    > >>
    > >> Thanks for any help in advance.

    > >
    > >
    > >.
    > >
    Kian Wah Lai, Jan 15, 2004
    #8
  9. Guest

    Brat Guest

    I wasn't cutting anyone down... I was offering suggestions... asking him
    what he would consider capable... if he could answer yes to any of the
    questions I asked him, then he will do fine... I was just advising him of
    the requirements that he will need to know to pass the exams... and I quote
    "if I were you, I would take it slow" and "I'm sure this is probably not the
    answer you were looking for but that is what I would do"... perhaps you need
    to pay more attention to what is said instead of making assumptions about
    what you THINK was said... DUH!!

    I stand FIRMLY by what I said... and again I quote "you have lots of time...
    take the next three years and study your ass off... then when you graduate
    high school look into going to a college or university to cover more
    material... by the time you are 20, your head will be ready to explode but
    you will be one HELL of an informed young adult..." gee that looks like
    incentive to me... and again another quote... "you have the time to do what
    most do not think about until they hit 18-20... take advantage of the next 3
    years and bypass all your peers! Volunteer at your school's computer
    lab... get experience! Then in three years you can get out there and wow
    the world... you have the opportunity to soar!"... hey look!! PRAISE for
    the young man!!

    But I digress... far be it for me to encourage the young folks today to
    better themselves in their chosen field... next time I'll keep my opinions
    to myself and then watch the children fail when no one will offer good
    advice... much like YOU have done... I am sure you have offered a TON of
    good advice on here... no wait... this is probably your first post on
    here... gee go figure... get off your damn high horse you twit... Think
    about this the next time you think you may have an opinion... when someone
    asks advice and someone gives it... think of the message... mine was purely
    educational and informative and suggestive... not ONCE did I tell the guy he
    did not have what it takes... I merely questioned his interpretation of a
    word and provided information about what is required to pass the exams... if
    he chooses tomorrow to book the exam, that is his choice... no one forced
    him to do things either way. Personally, I think the boy is mature enough
    to make an educated decision about his own life... and if he chooses to
    become a paper MCSE, far be it for me to stop it... however, he WILL be in
    for a rude awakening in a few years when it IS time to find a job and he
    finds he cannot get one because he does not know the material or have the
    experience to do any of the tasks required.

    One more quote... and this is from the original poster... "Thanks for any
    help in advance." Gee... I do believe I answered his question after all...
    --
    Sue Thugette #69

    "LadaiDah" <> wrote in message
    news:051b01c3db11$caa1e380$...
    > Maybe if you spent less time cutting down young kids with
    > more promise than you perhaps you may get that dreamy IT
    > job you've been honkering for.
    >
    > Walter in Austrailia
    >
    > >-----Original Message-----
    > >what do you consider "capable"? There is capable to use

    > a computer,
    > >troubleshoot minor issues, install downloaded software...

    > and then there is
    > >troubleshooting an entire network of at LEAST 20

    > computers... how about 200?
    > >can you find a problem on a network with that many

    > computers? how about
    > >installing hardware? entire OS's? configuring

    > software? maintaining
    > >networking connectivity? upgrading software/OS? creating
    > >domains/forests/trees? monitoring network connectivity?

    > network activity?
    > >user permissions of 200 users or more? handling 50+

    > trouble calls a day?
    > >printer issues? domain trusts? schema modifications?

    > global catalogue?
    > >mixed mode? native mode? email programs besides outlook

    > express...
    > >Exchange? remote access? hell, honey I could go on for

    > days!
    > >
    > >you may think you are capable but you need to ensure you

    > are capable to
    > >perform all these above tasks and many more before you

    > even THINK of taking
    > >these exams... go to www.microsoft.com and look up the

    > requirements to be an
    > >mcse/mcsa/etc. buy a few books... play with the software

    > and sample
    > >questions... if I were you, I would take it slow...

    > really learn the
    > >background stuff... you have lots of time... take the

    > next three years and
    > >study your ass off... then when you graduate high school

    > look into going to
    > >a college or university to cover more material... by the

    > time you are 20,
    > >your head will be ready to explode but you will be one

    > HELL of an informed
    > >young adult... you have the time to do what most do not

    > think about until
    > >they hit 18-20... take advantage of the next 3 years and

    > bypass all your
    > >peers! Volunteer at your school's computer lab... get

    > experience! Then
    > >in three years you can get out there and wow the world...

    > you have the
    > >opportunity to soar!
    > >
    > >I'm sure this is probably not the answer you were looking

    > for but that is
    > >what I would do... just my opinion
    > >
    > >--
    > >Sue Thugette #69
    > >
    > ><> wrote in message
    > >news:021c01c3dad9$fb96ac60$...
    > >> Is there a certain age you have to be before you can

    > take
    > >> an exam?
    > >>
    > >> I am 15 and am very capable in the IT field and would
    > >> like to take exam 70-270.
    > >>
    > >> Thanks for any help in advance.

    > >
    > >
    > >.
    > >
    Brat, Jan 15, 2004
    #9
  10. Guest

    Guest Guest

    Yes i am able to do all of what you said and more i have
    been put on a course at my school for extended computing
    and regularly hold seminars for the staff to attend.

    Thank you for all your help i am hoping to take my exam
    in the summer break.
    >-----Original Message-----
    >I wasn't cutting anyone down... I was offering

    suggestions... asking him
    >what he would consider capable... if he could answer yes

    to any of the
    >questions I asked him, then he will do fine... I was

    just advising him of
    >the requirements that he will need to know to pass the

    exams... and I quote
    >"if I were you, I would take it slow" and "I'm sure this

    is probably not the
    >answer you were looking for but that is what I would

    do"... perhaps you need
    >to pay more attention to what is said instead of making

    assumptions about
    >what you THINK was said... DUH!!
    >
    >I stand FIRMLY by what I said... and again I quote "you

    have lots of time...
    >take the next three years and study your ass off... then

    when you graduate
    >high school look into going to a college or university

    to cover more
    >material... by the time you are 20, your head will be

    ready to explode but
    >you will be one HELL of an informed young adult..." gee

    that looks like
    >incentive to me... and again another quote... "you have

    the time to do what
    >most do not think about until they hit 18-20... take

    advantage of the next 3
    >years and bypass all your peers! Volunteer at your

    school's computer
    >lab... get experience! Then in three years you can get

    out there and wow
    >the world... you have the opportunity to soar!"... hey

    look!! PRAISE for
    >the young man!!
    >
    >But I digress... far be it for me to encourage the young

    folks today to
    >better themselves in their chosen field... next time

    I'll keep my opinions
    >to myself and then watch the children fail when no one

    will offer good
    >advice... much like YOU have done... I am sure you have

    offered a TON of
    >good advice on here... no wait... this is probably your

    first post on
    >here... gee go figure... get off your damn high horse

    you twit... Think
    >about this the next time you think you may have an

    opinion... when someone
    >asks advice and someone gives it... think of the

    message... mine was purely
    >educational and informative and suggestive... not ONCE

    did I tell the guy he
    >did not have what it takes... I merely questioned his

    interpretation of a
    >word and provided information about what is required to

    pass the exams... if
    >he chooses tomorrow to book the exam, that is his

    choice... no one forced
    >him to do things either way. Personally, I think the

    boy is mature enough
    >to make an educated decision about his own life... and

    if he chooses to
    >become a paper MCSE, far be it for me to stop it...

    however, he WILL be in
    >for a rude awakening in a few years when it IS time to

    find a job and he
    >finds he cannot get one because he does not know the

    material or have the
    >experience to do any of the tasks required.
    >
    >One more quote... and this is from the original

    poster... "Thanks for any
    >help in advance." Gee... I do believe I answered his

    question after all...
    >--
    >Sue Thugette #69
    >
    >"LadaiDah" <> wrote in message
    >news:051b01c3db11$caa1e380$...
    >> Maybe if you spent less time cutting down young kids

    with
    >> more promise than you perhaps you may get that dreamy

    IT
    >> job you've been honkering for.
    >>
    >> Walter in Austrailia
    >>
    >> >-----Original Message-----
    >> >what do you consider "capable"? There is capable to

    use
    >> a computer,
    >> >troubleshoot minor issues, install downloaded

    software...
    >> and then there is
    >> >troubleshooting an entire network of at LEAST 20

    >> computers... how about 200?
    >> >can you find a problem on a network with that many

    >> computers? how about
    >> >installing hardware? entire OS's? configuring

    >> software? maintaining
    >> >networking connectivity? upgrading software/OS?

    creating
    >> >domains/forests/trees? monitoring network

    connectivity?
    >> network activity?
    >> >user permissions of 200 users or more? handling 50+

    >> trouble calls a day?
    >> >printer issues? domain trusts? schema modifications?

    >> global catalogue?
    >> >mixed mode? native mode? email programs besides

    outlook
    >> express...
    >> >Exchange? remote access? hell, honey I could go on

    for
    >> days!
    >> >
    >> >you may think you are capable but you need to ensure

    you
    >> are capable to
    >> >perform all these above tasks and many more before you

    >> even THINK of taking
    >> >these exams... go to www.microsoft.com and look up the

    >> requirements to be an
    >> >mcse/mcsa/etc. buy a few books... play with the

    software
    >> and sample
    >> >questions... if I were you, I would take it slow...

    >> really learn the
    >> >background stuff... you have lots of time... take the

    >> next three years and
    >> >study your ass off... then when you graduate high

    school
    >> look into going to
    >> >a college or university to cover more material... by

    the
    >> time you are 20,
    >> >your head will be ready to explode but you will be one

    >> HELL of an informed
    >> >young adult... you have the time to do what most do

    not
    >> think about until
    >> >they hit 18-20... take advantage of the next 3 years

    and
    >> bypass all your
    >> >peers! Volunteer at your school's computer lab...

    get
    >> experience! Then
    >> >in three years you can get out there and wow the

    world...
    >> you have the
    >> >opportunity to soar!
    >> >
    >> >I'm sure this is probably not the answer you were

    looking
    >> for but that is
    >> >what I would do... just my opinion
    >> >
    >> >--
    >> >Sue Thugette #69
    >> >
    >> ><> wrote in message
    >> >news:021c01c3dad9$fb96ac60$...
    >> >> Is there a certain age you have to be before you can

    >> take
    >> >> an exam?
    >> >>
    >> >> I am 15 and am very capable in the IT field and

    would
    >> >> like to take exam 70-270.
    >> >>
    >> >> Thanks for any help in advance.
    >> >
    >> >
    >> >.
    >> >

    >
    >
    >.
    >
    Guest, Jan 15, 2004
    #10
  11. Guest

    Brat Guest

    good luck ... I'm sure you will do well... check out www.mcseworld.com for
    reviews on the exams... one more point I would like to pass on... try to use
    more than one book when studying... we see it a lot here where posters have
    failed exams because of various reasons but one being that the book they had
    did not cover all the objectives of the exams... so using 2 or more books
    always helps... oh and here are a few links that might interest you as well:

    http://www.microsoft.com/learning/mcpexams/default.asp

    http://www.microsoft.com/learning/exams/70-270.asp

    --
    Sue Thugette #69

    <> wrote in message
    news:09b101c3db3c$dc01ebe0$...
    > Yes i am able to do all of what you said and more i have
    > been put on a course at my school for extended computing
    > and regularly hold seminars for the staff to attend.
    >
    > Thank you for all your help i am hoping to take my exam
    > in the summer break.
    > >-----Original Message-----
    > >I wasn't cutting anyone down... I was offering

    > suggestions... asking him
    > >what he would consider capable... if he could answer yes

    > to any of the
    > >questions I asked him, then he will do fine... I was

    > just advising him of
    > >the requirements that he will need to know to pass the

    > exams... and I quote
    > >"if I were you, I would take it slow" and "I'm sure this

    > is probably not the
    > >answer you were looking for but that is what I would

    > do"... perhaps you need
    > >to pay more attention to what is said instead of making

    > assumptions about
    > >what you THINK was said... DUH!!
    > >
    > >I stand FIRMLY by what I said... and again I quote "you

    > have lots of time...
    > >take the next three years and study your ass off... then

    > when you graduate
    > >high school look into going to a college or university

    > to cover more
    > >material... by the time you are 20, your head will be

    > ready to explode but
    > >you will be one HELL of an informed young adult..." gee

    > that looks like
    > >incentive to me... and again another quote... "you have

    > the time to do what
    > >most do not think about until they hit 18-20... take

    > advantage of the next 3
    > >years and bypass all your peers! Volunteer at your

    > school's computer
    > >lab... get experience! Then in three years you can get

    > out there and wow
    > >the world... you have the opportunity to soar!"... hey

    > look!! PRAISE for
    > >the young man!!
    > >
    > >But I digress... far be it for me to encourage the young

    > folks today to
    > >better themselves in their chosen field... next time

    > I'll keep my opinions
    > >to myself and then watch the children fail when no one

    > will offer good
    > >advice... much like YOU have done... I am sure you have

    > offered a TON of
    > >good advice on here... no wait... this is probably your

    > first post on
    > >here... gee go figure... get off your damn high horse

    > you twit... Think
    > >about this the next time you think you may have an

    > opinion... when someone
    > >asks advice and someone gives it... think of the

    > message... mine was purely
    > >educational and informative and suggestive... not ONCE

    > did I tell the guy he
    > >did not have what it takes... I merely questioned his

    > interpretation of a
    > >word and provided information about what is required to

    > pass the exams... if
    > >he chooses tomorrow to book the exam, that is his

    > choice... no one forced
    > >him to do things either way. Personally, I think the

    > boy is mature enough
    > >to make an educated decision about his own life... and

    > if he chooses to
    > >become a paper MCSE, far be it for me to stop it...

    > however, he WILL be in
    > >for a rude awakening in a few years when it IS time to

    > find a job and he
    > >finds he cannot get one because he does not know the

    > material or have the
    > >experience to do any of the tasks required.
    > >
    > >One more quote... and this is from the original

    > poster... "Thanks for any
    > >help in advance." Gee... I do believe I answered his

    > question after all...
    > >--
    > >Sue Thugette #69
    > >
    > >"LadaiDah" <> wrote in message
    > >news:051b01c3db11$caa1e380$...
    > >> Maybe if you spent less time cutting down young kids

    > with
    > >> more promise than you perhaps you may get that dreamy

    > IT
    > >> job you've been honkering for.
    > >>
    > >> Walter in Austrailia
    > >>
    > >> >-----Original Message-----
    > >> >what do you consider "capable"? There is capable to

    > use
    > >> a computer,
    > >> >troubleshoot minor issues, install downloaded

    > software...
    > >> and then there is
    > >> >troubleshooting an entire network of at LEAST 20
    > >> computers... how about 200?
    > >> >can you find a problem on a network with that many
    > >> computers? how about
    > >> >installing hardware? entire OS's? configuring
    > >> software? maintaining
    > >> >networking connectivity? upgrading software/OS?

    > creating
    > >> >domains/forests/trees? monitoring network

    > connectivity?
    > >> network activity?
    > >> >user permissions of 200 users or more? handling 50+
    > >> trouble calls a day?
    > >> >printer issues? domain trusts? schema modifications?
    > >> global catalogue?
    > >> >mixed mode? native mode? email programs besides

    > outlook
    > >> express...
    > >> >Exchange? remote access? hell, honey I could go on

    > for
    > >> days!
    > >> >
    > >> >you may think you are capable but you need to ensure

    > you
    > >> are capable to
    > >> >perform all these above tasks and many more before you
    > >> even THINK of taking
    > >> >these exams... go to www.microsoft.com and look up the
    > >> requirements to be an
    > >> >mcse/mcsa/etc. buy a few books... play with the

    > software
    > >> and sample
    > >> >questions... if I were you, I would take it slow...
    > >> really learn the
    > >> >background stuff... you have lots of time... take the
    > >> next three years and
    > >> >study your ass off... then when you graduate high

    > school
    > >> look into going to
    > >> >a college or university to cover more material... by

    > the
    > >> time you are 20,
    > >> >your head will be ready to explode but you will be one
    > >> HELL of an informed
    > >> >young adult... you have the time to do what most do

    > not
    > >> think about until
    > >> >they hit 18-20... take advantage of the next 3 years

    > and
    > >> bypass all your
    > >> >peers! Volunteer at your school's computer lab...

    > get
    > >> experience! Then
    > >> >in three years you can get out there and wow the

    > world...
    > >> you have the
    > >> >opportunity to soar!
    > >> >
    > >> >I'm sure this is probably not the answer you were

    > looking
    > >> for but that is
    > >> >what I would do... just my opinion
    > >> >
    > >> >--
    > >> >Sue Thugette #69
    > >> >
    > >> ><> wrote in message
    > >> >news:021c01c3dad9$fb96ac60$...
    > >> >> Is there a certain age you have to be before you can
    > >> take
    > >> >> an exam?
    > >> >>
    > >> >> I am 15 and am very capable in the IT field and

    > would
    > >> >> like to take exam 70-270.
    > >> >>
    > >> >> Thanks for any help in advance.
    > >> >
    > >> >
    > >> >.
    > >> >

    > >
    > >
    > >.
    > >
    Brat, Jan 15, 2004
    #11
  12. Guest

    Consultant Guest

    are you serious? do you find it acceptable that an 8 year old memorized the
    answers to a test just to get a cert? i have an 8 year old son and i can
    tell you, an 8 year old is in no way shape or form to enter the job market.
    so people who "train" their kids to go pass some test is laughable. they
    need to put a minimum age on these tests.


    "LadaiDah" <> wrote in message
    news:051b01c3db11$caa1e380$...
    > Maybe if you spent less time cutting down young kids with
    > more promise than you perhaps you may get that dreamy IT
    > job you've been honkering for.
    >
    > Walter in Austrailia
    >
    > >-----Original Message-----
    > >what do you consider "capable"? There is capable to use

    > a computer,
    > >troubleshoot minor issues, install downloaded software...

    > and then there is
    > >troubleshooting an entire network of at LEAST 20

    > computers... how about 200?
    > >can you find a problem on a network with that many

    > computers? how about
    > >installing hardware? entire OS's? configuring

    > software? maintaining
    > >networking connectivity? upgrading software/OS? creating
    > >domains/forests/trees? monitoring network connectivity?

    > network activity?
    > >user permissions of 200 users or more? handling 50+

    > trouble calls a day?
    > >printer issues? domain trusts? schema modifications?

    > global catalogue?
    > >mixed mode? native mode? email programs besides outlook

    > express...
    > >Exchange? remote access? hell, honey I could go on for

    > days!
    > >
    > >you may think you are capable but you need to ensure you

    > are capable to
    > >perform all these above tasks and many more before you

    > even THINK of taking
    > >these exams... go to www.microsoft.com and look up the

    > requirements to be an
    > >mcse/mcsa/etc. buy a few books... play with the software

    > and sample
    > >questions... if I were you, I would take it slow...

    > really learn the
    > >background stuff... you have lots of time... take the

    > next three years and
    > >study your ass off... then when you graduate high school

    > look into going to
    > >a college or university to cover more material... by the

    > time you are 20,
    > >your head will be ready to explode but you will be one

    > HELL of an informed
    > >young adult... you have the time to do what most do not

    > think about until
    > >they hit 18-20... take advantage of the next 3 years and

    > bypass all your
    > >peers! Volunteer at your school's computer lab... get

    > experience! Then
    > >in three years you can get out there and wow the world...

    > you have the
    > >opportunity to soar!
    > >
    > >I'm sure this is probably not the answer you were looking

    > for but that is
    > >what I would do... just my opinion
    > >
    > >--
    > >Sue Thugette #69
    > >
    > ><> wrote in message
    > >news:021c01c3dad9$fb96ac60$...
    > >> Is there a certain age you have to be before you can

    > take
    > >> an exam?
    > >>
    > >> I am 15 and am very capable in the IT field and would
    > >> like to take exam 70-270.
    > >>
    > >> Thanks for any help in advance.

    > >
    > >
    > >.
    > >
    Consultant, Jan 15, 2004
    #12
  13. Guest

    JaR Guest

    "Brat" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > I wasn't cutting anyone down... I was offering suggestions... asking him
    > what he would <lovely riposte snipped>


    Now that's more like it ;-D

    JaR
    Support Thug
    JaR, Jan 15, 2004
    #13
  14. Guest

    Kian Wah Lai Guest

    i read it in cisco community forum, can't believe it as well

    "Consultant" <> wrote in message
    news:uyuA%...
    > are you serious? do you find it acceptable that an 8 year old memorized

    the
    > answers to a test just to get a cert? i have an 8 year old son and i can
    > tell you, an 8 year old is in no way shape or form to enter the job

    market.
    > so people who "train" their kids to go pass some test is laughable. they
    > need to put a minimum age on these tests.
    >
    >
    > "LadaiDah" <> wrote in message
    > news:051b01c3db11$caa1e380$...
    > > Maybe if you spent less time cutting down young kids with
    > > more promise than you perhaps you may get that dreamy IT
    > > job you've been honkering for.
    > >
    > > Walter in Austrailia
    > >
    > > >-----Original Message-----
    > > >what do you consider "capable"? There is capable to use

    > > a computer,
    > > >troubleshoot minor issues, install downloaded software...

    > > and then there is
    > > >troubleshooting an entire network of at LEAST 20

    > > computers... how about 200?
    > > >can you find a problem on a network with that many

    > > computers? how about
    > > >installing hardware? entire OS's? configuring

    > > software? maintaining
    > > >networking connectivity? upgrading software/OS? creating
    > > >domains/forests/trees? monitoring network connectivity?

    > > network activity?
    > > >user permissions of 200 users or more? handling 50+

    > > trouble calls a day?
    > > >printer issues? domain trusts? schema modifications?

    > > global catalogue?
    > > >mixed mode? native mode? email programs besides outlook

    > > express...
    > > >Exchange? remote access? hell, honey I could go on for

    > > days!
    > > >
    > > >you may think you are capable but you need to ensure you

    > > are capable to
    > > >perform all these above tasks and many more before you

    > > even THINK of taking
    > > >these exams... go to www.microsoft.com and look up the

    > > requirements to be an
    > > >mcse/mcsa/etc. buy a few books... play with the software

    > > and sample
    > > >questions... if I were you, I would take it slow...

    > > really learn the
    > > >background stuff... you have lots of time... take the

    > > next three years and
    > > >study your ass off... then when you graduate high school

    > > look into going to
    > > >a college or university to cover more material... by the

    > > time you are 20,
    > > >your head will be ready to explode but you will be one

    > > HELL of an informed
    > > >young adult... you have the time to do what most do not

    > > think about until
    > > >they hit 18-20... take advantage of the next 3 years and

    > > bypass all your
    > > >peers! Volunteer at your school's computer lab... get

    > > experience! Then
    > > >in three years you can get out there and wow the world...

    > > you have the
    > > >opportunity to soar!
    > > >
    > > >I'm sure this is probably not the answer you were looking

    > > for but that is
    > > >what I would do... just my opinion
    > > >
    > > >--
    > > >Sue Thugette #69
    > > >
    > > ><> wrote in message
    > > >news:021c01c3dad9$fb96ac60$...
    > > >> Is there a certain age you have to be before you can

    > > take
    > > >> an exam?
    > > >>
    > > >> I am 15 and am very capable in the IT field and would
    > > >> like to take exam 70-270.
    > > >>
    > > >> Thanks for any help in advance.
    > > >
    > > >
    > > >.
    > > >

    >
    >
    Kian Wah Lai, Jan 15, 2004
    #14
  15. Guest

    Marko Guest

    ----- Brat wrote: -----

    good luck ... I'm sure you will do well...


    <> wrote in message
    news:09b101c3db3c$dc01ebe0$...
    > Yes i am able to do all of what you said and more i have
    > been put on a course at my school for extended computing
    > and regularly hold seminars for the staff to attend.
    >> Thank you for all your help i am hoping to take my exam

    > in the summer break.


    To Anonymous poster wanting MCP with exam 70-270:
    I guess what Sue was suggesting was that your age may be a barrier
    to becoming anything more than a paper MCP. I am guessing that
    she probably thought what I and many others with certification would
    naturally think: You can't have a lot of experience in the networking world
    or in client support of Windows XP Pro desktops at that age. That exam
    may be a worthy test for you and will likely give you great satisfaction to
    pass on your own merits, so go for it!

    Walter: I didn't see anything in Sue's post, combined with her previous offerings,
    that would suggest that she was being at all demeaning. She is merely
    offering a realistic future outlook and asking our anonymous friend to
    consider his / her motives a little harder and to revisit what a cert
    actually is. It is the inate ability - backed by extensive experience - to do some of
    the things she has taken a lot of time to list. What Sue has suggested, which is
    a point lost by a lot of people chasing certification, is that you must have
    very good experience. Microsoft suggests in most cases at least one year working
    in a senior administration role with medium to large, corporate networks.


    To our anonymous poster who would prefer that we didn't know him/her
    by name so would not be able to track their future progress and development,
    I think Sue and everybody else is sincere with the good luck sentiment. If you
    can do most of what you claim at this stage, then with study you should be able
    to ace the test.
    Marko, Jan 16, 2004
    #15
  16. Guest

    Sgt Galaxy Guest

    Wowwwie!

    I saw lot of 'telegraph style' text passing by......
    Wel... This... Can't... Be... Happening... To.... Me...


    >-----Original Message-----
    >i read it in cisco community forum, can't believe it as

    well
    >
    >"Consultant" <>

    wrote in message
    >news:uyuA%...
    >> are you serious? do you find it acceptable that an 8

    year old memorized
    >the
    >> answers to a test just to get a cert? i have an 8 year

    old son and i can
    >> tell you, an 8 year old is in no way shape or form to

    enter the job
    >market.
    >> so people who "train" their kids to go pass some test

    is laughable. they
    >> need to put a minimum age on these tests.
    >>
    >>
    >> "LadaiDah" <> wrote in message
    >> news:051b01c3db11$caa1e380$...
    >> > Maybe if you spent less time cutting down young kids

    with
    >> > more promise than you perhaps you may get that

    dreamy IT
    >> > job you've been honkering for.
    >> >
    >> > Walter in Austrailia
    >> >
    >> > >-----Original Message-----
    >> > >what do you consider "capable"? There is capable

    to use
    >> > a computer,
    >> > >troubleshoot minor issues, install downloaded

    software...
    >> > and then there is
    >> > >troubleshooting an entire network of at LEAST 20
    >> > computers... how about 200?
    >> > >can you find a problem on a network with that many
    >> > computers? how about
    >> > >installing hardware? entire OS's? configuring
    >> > software? maintaining
    >> > >networking connectivity? upgrading software/OS?

    creating
    >> > >domains/forests/trees? monitoring network

    connectivity?
    >> > network activity?
    >> > >user permissions of 200 users or more? handling 50+
    >> > trouble calls a day?
    >> > >printer issues? domain trusts? schema

    modifications?
    >> > global catalogue?
    >> > >mixed mode? native mode? email programs besides

    outlook
    >> > express...
    >> > >Exchange? remote access? hell, honey I could go

    on for
    >> > days!
    >> > >
    >> > >you may think you are capable but you need to

    ensure you
    >> > are capable to
    >> > >perform all these above tasks and many more before

    you
    >> > even THINK of taking
    >> > >these exams... go to www.microsoft.com and look up

    the
    >> > requirements to be an
    >> > >mcse/mcsa/etc. buy a few books... play with the

    software
    >> > and sample
    >> > >questions... if I were you, I would take it slow...
    >> > really learn the
    >> > >background stuff... you have lots of time... take

    the
    >> > next three years and
    >> > >study your ass off... then when you graduate high

    school
    >> > look into going to
    >> > >a college or university to cover more material...

    by the
    >> > time you are 20,
    >> > >your head will be ready to explode but you will be

    one
    >> > HELL of an informed
    >> > >young adult... you have the time to do what most do

    not
    >> > think about until
    >> > >they hit 18-20... take advantage of the next 3

    years and
    >> > bypass all your
    >> > >peers! Volunteer at your school's computer

    lab... get
    >> > experience! Then
    >> > >in three years you can get out there and wow the

    world...
    >> > you have the
    >> > >opportunity to soar!
    >> > >
    >> > >I'm sure this is probably not the answer you were

    looking
    >> > for but that is
    >> > >what I would do... just my opinion
    >> > >
    >> > >--
    >> > >Sue Thugette #69
    >> > >
    >> > ><> wrote in

    message
    >> > >news:021c01c3dad9$fb96ac60$...
    >> > >> Is there a certain age you have to be before you

    can
    >> > take
    >> > >> an exam?
    >> > >>
    >> > >> I am 15 and am very capable in the IT field and

    would
    >> > >> like to take exam 70-270.
    >> > >>
    >> > >> Thanks for any help in advance.
    >> > >
    >> > >
    >> > >.
    >> > >

    >>
    >>

    >
    >
    >.
    >
    Sgt Galaxy, Jan 19, 2004
    #16
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